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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forumspretty sure Olympic swimmer Katinka Hosszu is doping
her fourth Olympics, she has never medaled and she now not only sets a new world record, but blows away the field.
The top places are always more competitive, not even Phelps wins by that kind of margin.
You have to go back to the East Germans to this kind of victory, and we know about them.
I hope the officials are equally incredulous.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)Her husband was so happy to. She was depressed and one day said knock it off to herself. A wonderful story. I love those kind.
edhopper
(33,479 posts)who has never won does not suddenly get that much better than everyone else.
Sorry, but I can't see it being legitimate.
Lance Armstrong had a great story too.
obamanut2012
(26,046 posts)In both how he generally acts and how he trains her. He is also very belligerent to other swimmers and their coaches and families, so am not a fan of him.
It is also very obvious she is juicing -- sooner or later, her medal will be taken away, unless she has become very good at cycling off it or masking it.
Glorfindel
(9,719 posts)Pump the athletes full of the stuff (whatever the stuff may be) and find out just what human beings are capable of. In the long run, it's really no different than eating a healthful diet, exercising, training, and getting enough sleep. With the proper medications and given enough time, human being might be capable of flight, faster-than-light travel, and who knows what else....
P.S.: I don't really mean it. Hooray for the Olympic athletes!
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)and unfairly puts those athletes training without them at a huge disadvantage.
It sets a crappy example for young athletes
that winning is the only thing that counts.
And athletes start using the drugs at younger ages before their body has even fully developed.
bottomofthehill
(8,318 posts)he looks like he is not afraid of a needle either.
edhopper
(33,479 posts)Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)obamanut2012
(26,046 posts)maryellen99
(3,785 posts)Even though Australia won the gold medal in the freestyle relay in 2012.
edhopper
(33,479 posts)but they have a great swimming program and a strong team.
they had a great anchor for the relay.
Marr
(20,317 posts)Excluding sports like shooting, of course.
It's just too easy to avoid getting caught, and the gulf in performance between people who use performance enhancers and people who don't is just ridiculous.
is a good example.
Ex Lurker
(3,811 posts)NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)They are the proven first go-to for high blood pressure.
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)obamanut2012
(26,046 posts)They take things that slow their heart beat and breathing.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)She probably sings bass
Silverm00n
(1 post)If you check her bio:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katinka_Hossz%C3%BA
Will see that she won several golden medals since 2009-2010 on European an World Championships, while was seriously underperforming on Olympics (both "mentality" and training issues with her previous coach). She's training like a fanatic since Tusup is her trainer and they also broke the mental bondaries, she's not afraid of/not feels the pressure because of a race day anymore (that's why she attending in all possible races on the past 2 years) Whoever says that she suddenly started to win is clearly not follows European results in the past 5 years.
Ps: she has high-pitched voice
http://rtl.hu/rtlklub/fokusz/hosszu-katinka-nem-tudom-megigerni-hogy-aranyermeket-hozok
edhopper
(33,479 posts)it's not just the victory but a victory and WR by that much, faster than she has ever been and so much faster than her competitors, who train equally hard and are mostly younger, stronger athletes is very suspicious.
PoutrageFatigue
(416 posts)Puhleez....
edhopper
(33,479 posts)has always been dominant.
she didn't beat swimmers that have beaten her before and did so by so big a lead.
puhleez your self.
PoutrageFatigue
(416 posts)MURRKA!!!!
edhopper
(33,479 posts)without knowing how many times I say it about Americans.
assume away.
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)rarely, if ever, compete?
Thats like saying Michael Jordan and '97 Bulls won the NCAA championship.
PoutrageFatigue
(416 posts)....is that your massive experience in the couch Olympics talking?
She worked her ass off and reaped the rewards....I bet the British kid that smashed the 100m breaststroke is juicing too
edhopper
(33,479 posts)PoutrageFatigue
(416 posts)Bucky
(53,947 posts)citood
(550 posts)edhopper
(33,479 posts)edhopper
(33,479 posts)didn't work their asses off?
All of a sudden she is exponentially better than the field?
She didn't win by a few strokes, she won by several body lengths and shattered the WR.
I remain highly suspicious.
rusty fender
(3,428 posts)In your opinion ? She just beat her closest competitor by 5 seconds
edhopper
(33,479 posts)she broke her own world record, unlike Hosszu, but all winning athletes should be tested.
Is the suspiscion of doping in the Olympics really that far fetched to some people here?
melm00se
(4,984 posts)that all medals winners are subjected to testing and other competitors can be randomly tested at any time during the Olympics.
and she could well be clean, we shall see.
Though testing isn't perfect, as Lance Armstrong has shownn.
rusty fender
(3,428 posts)but I don't think every stellar winner is doping
edhopper
(33,479 posts)but her in her case it is questionable.
obamanut2012
(26,046 posts)Ledecky could very well be juicing, too, but her juicing isn't obvious. This is obvious. She is juicing, probably masterminded by her messed up abusive husband.
FSogol
(45,446 posts)edhopper
(33,479 posts)but nice deflection.
PoutrageFatigue
(416 posts)....funny how that works....
edhopper
(33,479 posts)I am just rooting for American athletes.
Yup, funny.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Inaccurate and subjective translations which minimize others are certainly self-serving in and of themselves. Hey, I'd presume one and only possible inference as well were I both young and absolute in my righteousness as well.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,153 posts)edhopper
(33,479 posts)not sure what you mean?
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,153 posts)edhopper
(33,479 posts)now I get what you meant.
probably true in the way I phrased it, instead of "I think there is a chance Hosszu is doping."
drray23
(7,616 posts)She may have never won in the olympics before but she is one of the world best swimmer. Sometimes all it takes is the mental strenght to win. Apparently she was having issues with that until her husband and coach turned her around.
I am sure all atletes are testing before, during and after the olympics. You can bet they tested her after she won its standard practice. I will trust the olympic commitee to do that rather than throw unsubstantiated accusations. If she is doping she will be caught. Until then she should be recognized for the champion she is.
edhopper
(33,479 posts)if I was a media commentator or an official, instead of an anonymous internet poster, I wouldn't say something like this. But I am and can.
she is a gold medalist unless she is shown to use PEDs.
more times than not, when an athlete suddenly becomes this dominant, drugs are involved.
The Russian athletes are a testament to that.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)edhopper
(33,479 posts)but I am also saying its pure conjecture.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)but most DU'ers called him guilty from the outset.
Different/lower standard.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)So I suppose you're lucky to be a nobody - er, anonymous internet babbler.
edhopper
(33,479 posts)I can spout off an opinion. Worse is said about people here on a regular basis.
I think it was a Swim magazine, and has not been resolved.
though a search of the media shows I am not alone in my suspicion.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)And their women, too.
Give them credit for not getting caught.
edhopper
(33,479 posts)hadn't heard that.
taught_me_patience
(5,477 posts)He's the poster boy for doping and not getting caught. The Jamaican team is notorious for their doping program.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Consider the odds that such a tiny country would set world record in both the men's and women's 4x100 and dominate the field for a full decade.
Bolt is an extraordinary athlete, but, yeah....
edhopper
(33,479 posts)yeah, seems something could be there.
malaise
(268,693 posts)are banned.
Bolt is as clean as they come.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)obamanut2012
(26,046 posts)obamanut2012
(26,046 posts)obamanut2012
(26,046 posts)regardless of gender. They almost all obviously juice, but are very good at learning how to cycle off and not get caught. It'll all come out one day, because it always does.
Tracer
(2,769 posts)Heard the announcer say that last night, and one of the other American swimmers (forget her name) said so too.
PragmaticLiberal
(904 posts)But with that being said, it seems as if many of her competitors think she's doping.
We shall see.
cpwm17
(3,829 posts)edhopper
(33,479 posts)the Russian team wasn't banned.
or maybe not considering how corrupt the IOC is.
malaise
(268,693 posts)edhopper
(33,479 posts)I just think the Russian team was shown to be so widespread and part of their program.
malaise
(268,693 posts)is still doping and few are clean
but WADA recommended the Russian team be banned. the IOC was gutless and corrupt as ever.
cpwm17
(3,829 posts)Clean runners, at least in the sprints, don't normally perform so well at at such an old age.
Xolodno
(6,384 posts)...people here may start calling you "Surly Shirley".
"Airplane"?
One of the Olympians who blew the whistle on the East Germans doping was called "Surly Shirley" by the media. Decades later she was proven right, but at the time she was derided as being a poor sport.
edhopper
(33,479 posts)I remember that scandal,
.
The Russians recently repeated it.
edhopper
(33,479 posts)didn't think it would hang around for more than a few hours.
fell free to continue calling me an asshole and assume it's all because I am so pro team-America.
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)we as a big surprise either. And the Tour was right in strippimg him of his wins.
What I really hate is the fact that we send pro basketball players who literally crush their opponents. To me it doesn't keep with the Olympic spirit and makes the game boring. I watched the trail end of China v America and the final score was USA 119 - China 62. Where's the "sport" in that?
PoutrageFatigue
(416 posts)....
edhopper
(33,479 posts)a one time thing.
sarae
(3,284 posts)too hard on her, possibly abusive? The article:
http://jezebel.com/why-did-nbc-commentators-give-katinka-hosszus-husband-c-1784940772
I think the biggest issue with her is her husband, he said. I think you have to look at her motivation. Is it fear or confidence that is driving her?
taught_me_patience
(5,477 posts)HGH requires a blood test and you can test clean the next morning after taking it.
Hosszu just has something powerful that can't be detected yet. She'll be busted when her B sample is tested again in a couple of years.
obamanut2012
(26,046 posts)They almost always are.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)pretzel4gore
(8,146 posts)notice one percenters aka '1st world athletes' do so much better then 3rd, 4th world or 'failed states....i recall 40 years ago, h kissinger said the 1st world had to 'nurture' chaos in the rest of the world to assure 1st world hegemony (not exact quote, but you get the idea)...i recall lance armstrong was doped up year after year (meanwhile usa/1st world was murdering iraq, destroying effective govs in middle east) while stealing bike championship... not to mention carl lewis. Why is 1st world shenanigans downplayed while those poor people KNOW darn well the reason we're better is cuz we have tech ability to hide our cheating until it too late, and don't matter! We destroyed the 'Workers' (Soviet) Union a long time ago and have basically made 'socialism' the same thing as belief in flat earth, tooth ferries and the idea of 'public interest'! That cost taxpayers billions (unless you think the koch bro's etc actually did anything for their vast wealth)...so please WE WON the war versus the worlds' poor and powerless, and we're gonna keep on winning until the planet rids itself of the cancer.
CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)About either the Olympics or your libelous fantasies.
malaise
(268,693 posts)edhopper
(33,479 posts)as Hosszu should if found to be.
Why do people keep assuming this is about "America".
Marr
(20,317 posts)Some people seem incapable of viewing *anything* outside of their chosen political narratives.
obamanut2012
(26,046 posts)Our track and field athletes are notorious dopers.
obamanut2012
(26,046 posts)If she wouldn't have died, she would have been exposed. They didn't because she died -- that is well known in track circles, and yes, I know people who are well known in track circles.
obamanut2012
(26,046 posts)In how he treats her. Which is why I am not thrilled about her win, or how he "loves" her.