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edhopper

(33,479 posts)
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 10:29 PM Aug 2016

pretty sure Olympic swimmer Katinka Hosszu is doping

her fourth Olympics, she has never medaled and she now not only sets a new world record, but blows away the field.

The top places are always more competitive, not even Phelps wins by that kind of margin.

You have to go back to the East Germans to this kind of victory, and we know about them.

I hope the officials are equally incredulous.

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pretty sure Olympic swimmer Katinka Hosszu is doping (Original Post) edhopper Aug 2016 OP
I am thrilled for her yeoman6987 Aug 2016 #1
a fourth time olympian edhopper Aug 2016 #3
Except lots of people think he is abusive towards her obamanut2012 Aug 2016 #85
I never have understood all the concern about "doping" Glorfindel Aug 2016 #2
It's entirely different than healthy eating. Which is REQUIRED to live. It's recreational drug use.. KittyWampus Aug 2016 #55
Her husband and coach has fits of rage in her training session bottomofthehill Aug 2016 #4
the couple that juices together... edhopper Aug 2016 #5
Lol Liberal_in_LA Aug 2016 #12
Yup -- lots of swimmers and officials think he's very abusive obamanut2012 Aug 2016 #86
People on Twitter are also accusing Australia of doping too maryellen99 Aug 2016 #6
could be edhopper Aug 2016 #7
I'd be suprised if any of the athletes *aren't* doping. Marr Aug 2016 #8
that meet edhopper Aug 2016 #9
Shooters and archers use beta blockers to slow down their heart rates nt Ex Lurker Aug 2016 #11
What's difficult is beta blockers are a perfectly normal medication too. NutmegYankee Aug 2016 #18
I wouldn't rule out shooting. A lot of baseball players swear that stuff improves your vision. LeftyMom Aug 2016 #13
Shooting and archery peeps also dope obamanut2012 Aug 2016 #87
HGH awoke_in_2003 Aug 2016 #10
Katinka Hosszu not "suddenly" started to win Silverm00n Aug 2016 #14
sorry edhopper Aug 2016 #16
Like Ledeky? Winning by FIVE seconds... PoutrageFatigue Aug 2016 #35
Ledecky edhopper Aug 2016 #37
Uh huh... PoutrageFatigue Aug 2016 #38
keep thinking it's about that edhopper Aug 2016 #41
So she won a bunch of competitions where the top swimmers Exilednight Aug 2016 #59
Pretty sure you're talking out of your.... PoutrageFatigue Aug 2016 #15
see reply #16 edhopper Aug 2016 #17
see reply #15 PoutrageFatigue Aug 2016 #19
see reply #80 Bucky Aug 2016 #80
Well now I've gone cross-eyed citood Aug 2016 #82
IT'S A PARADOX!! edhopper Aug 2016 #83
and the other competitors edhopper Aug 2016 #20
Does that apply to Ledecky, too rusty fender Aug 2016 #21
Ledecky has always been dominant edhopper Aug 2016 #24
I believe melm00se Aug 2016 #26
yes edhopper Aug 2016 #29
All the winners are tested rusty fender Aug 2016 #63
I don't either edhopper Aug 2016 #64
She broke her own WR, so it is very different obamanut2012 Aug 2016 #89
Translation: Whenever an American doesn't win, it is doping! FSogol Aug 2016 #22
plenty of Americans have been caught doping edhopper Aug 2016 #23
Yup... PoutrageFatigue Aug 2016 #34
funny how people assume edhopper Aug 2016 #42
Inaccurate and subjective translations which minimize others LanternWaste Aug 2016 #61
Pretty sure you're begging the question. nt Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2016 #25
what question? edhopper Aug 2016 #30
............. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2016 #70
okay edhopper Aug 2016 #71
thats insulting. drray23 Aug 2016 #27
yes, true edhopper Aug 2016 #28
Did you just assert that you hold yourself to a low(er)-standard? HereSince1628 Aug 2016 #31
absolutely edhopper Aug 2016 #32
Sort of like, Zimmerman was innocent until proven guilty by a court of law... KittyWampus Aug 2016 #57
I believe she successfully sued a fellow swimmer for libel on this question alcibiades_mystery Aug 2016 #43
As such edhopper Aug 2016 #44
The biggest dopers have yet to come on stage (with the possible exception of a single swimmer): Buzz Clik Aug 2016 #33
you think Bolt dopes? edhopper Aug 2016 #36
Is there anybody that believes Bolt doesn't dope? taught_me_patience Aug 2016 #58
Their time will come. Buzz Clik Aug 2016 #68
No -- the entire Jamaican team. Buzz Clik Aug 2016 #67
I've read more since that post edhopper Aug 2016 #69
The world gets smaller when the big country dopers malaise Aug 2016 #77
Bullshit. Buzz Clik Aug 2016 #81
lolz obamanut2012 Aug 2016 #92
Of course he does obamanut2012 Aug 2016 #90
They are masters at it, just like the Brazilians in MMA obamanut2012 Aug 2016 #91
She has failed several drug tests. Tracer Aug 2016 #39
I don't believe she has ever failed a drug test. PragmaticLiberal Aug 2016 #40
A Russian swimmer failed two drug tests and was allowed to swim. cpwm17 Aug 2016 #45
I still am amazed edhopper Aug 2016 #48
Gatlin is there -right? n/t malaise Aug 2016 #72
I agree with this edhopper Aug 2016 #74
Doping whenther corporate, state or personal malaise Aug 2016 #76
true edhopper Aug 2016 #79
And probably still is, along with many other runners. cpwm17 Aug 2016 #78
Carefull.... Xolodno Aug 2016 #46
is that edhopper Aug 2016 #47
Nah.... Xolodno Aug 2016 #49
thanks for the info edhopper Aug 2016 #50
I am letting this go now edhopper Aug 2016 #51
I hated when Lance was proven to have cheated, but it didnt Exilednight Aug 2016 #56
She must have doped again tonight because she got another gold, right? PoutrageFatigue Aug 2016 #65
doping isn't usually edhopper Aug 2016 #66
I just read an article that implies her husband/trainer is sarae Aug 2016 #52
They are all juiced. I'd bet that 95% of all medal winners are juiced taught_me_patience Aug 2016 #53
Yup -- just like the Jaimacians will be caught sooner or later obamanut2012 Aug 2016 #93
Put me in the column of those who would question that athletes are NOT doping. KittyWampus Aug 2016 #54
the real cheats are 1 percenters pretzel4gore Aug 2016 #60
Pretty sure I could not care less. CBGLuthier Aug 2016 #62
Flo Jo did some amazing times back in 1988 malaise Aug 2016 #73
and she paid the consequences of doping edhopper Aug 2016 #75
You got me. Marr Aug 2016 #88
I don't get it either obamanut2012 Aug 2016 #95
Yup, and it helped kill her obamanut2012 Aug 2016 #94
Those in the swimming world think she is, and think her husband is abusive obamanut2012 Aug 2016 #84
 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
1. I am thrilled for her
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 10:35 PM
Aug 2016

Her husband was so happy to. She was depressed and one day said knock it off to herself. A wonderful story. I love those kind.

edhopper

(33,479 posts)
3. a fourth time olympian
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 10:48 PM
Aug 2016

who has never won does not suddenly get that much better than everyone else.

Sorry, but I can't see it being legitimate.

Lance Armstrong had a great story too.

obamanut2012

(26,046 posts)
85. Except lots of people think he is abusive towards her
Wed Aug 10, 2016, 09:54 AM
Aug 2016

In both how he generally acts and how he trains her. He is also very belligerent to other swimmers and their coaches and families, so am not a fan of him.

It is also very obvious she is juicing -- sooner or later, her medal will be taken away, unless she has become very good at cycling off it or masking it.

Glorfindel

(9,719 posts)
2. I never have understood all the concern about "doping"
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 10:36 PM
Aug 2016

Pump the athletes full of the stuff (whatever the stuff may be) and find out just what human beings are capable of. In the long run, it's really no different than eating a healthful diet, exercising, training, and getting enough sleep. With the proper medications and given enough time, human being might be capable of flight, faster-than-light travel, and who knows what else....

P.S.: I don't really mean it. Hooray for the Olympic athletes!

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
55. It's entirely different than healthy eating. Which is REQUIRED to live. It's recreational drug use..
Mon Aug 8, 2016, 12:39 PM
Aug 2016

and unfairly puts those athletes training without them at a huge disadvantage.

It sets a crappy example for young athletes… that winning is the only thing that counts.

And athletes start using the drugs at younger ages before their body has even fully developed.

bottomofthehill

(8,318 posts)
4. Her husband and coach has fits of rage in her training session
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 11:10 PM
Aug 2016

he looks like he is not afraid of a needle either.

maryellen99

(3,785 posts)
6. People on Twitter are also accusing Australia of doping too
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 11:13 PM
Aug 2016

Even though Australia won the gold medal in the freestyle relay in 2012.

edhopper

(33,479 posts)
7. could be
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 11:16 PM
Aug 2016

but they have a great swimming program and a strong team.

they had a great anchor for the relay.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
8. I'd be suprised if any of the athletes *aren't* doping.
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 11:25 PM
Aug 2016

Excluding sports like shooting, of course.

It's just too easy to avoid getting caught, and the gulf in performance between people who use performance enhancers and people who don't is just ridiculous.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
18. What's difficult is beta blockers are a perfectly normal medication too.
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 11:44 AM
Aug 2016

They are the proven first go-to for high blood pressure.

Silverm00n

(1 post)
14. Katinka Hosszu not "suddenly" started to win
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 02:53 AM
Aug 2016

If you check her bio:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katinka_Hossz%C3%BA

Will see that she won several golden medals since 2009-2010 on European an World Championships, while was seriously underperforming on Olympics (both "mentality" and training issues with her previous coach). She's training like a fanatic since Tusup is her trainer and they also broke the mental bondaries, she's not afraid of/not feels the pressure because of a race day anymore (that's why she attending in all possible races on the past 2 years) Whoever says that she suddenly started to win is clearly not follows European results in the past 5 years.

Ps: she has high-pitched voice
http://rtl.hu/rtlklub/fokusz/hosszu-katinka-nem-tudom-megigerni-hogy-aranyermeket-hozok

edhopper

(33,479 posts)
16. sorry
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 11:17 AM
Aug 2016

it's not just the victory but a victory and WR by that much, faster than she has ever been and so much faster than her competitors, who train equally hard and are mostly younger, stronger athletes is very suspicious.

edhopper

(33,479 posts)
37. Ledecky
Mon Aug 8, 2016, 09:16 AM
Aug 2016

has always been dominant.

she didn't beat swimmers that have beaten her before and did so by so big a lead.

puhleez your self.

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
59. So she won a bunch of competitions where the top swimmers
Mon Aug 8, 2016, 12:47 PM
Aug 2016

rarely, if ever, compete?

Thats like saying Michael Jordan and '97 Bulls won the NCAA championship.

 

PoutrageFatigue

(416 posts)
15. Pretty sure you're talking out of your....
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 09:17 AM
Aug 2016

....is that your massive experience in the couch Olympics talking?

She worked her ass off and reaped the rewards....I bet the British kid that smashed the 100m breaststroke is juicing too

edhopper

(33,479 posts)
20. and the other competitors
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 01:35 PM
Aug 2016

didn't work their asses off?

All of a sudden she is exponentially better than the field?

She didn't win by a few strokes, she won by several body lengths and shattered the WR.

I remain highly suspicious.

edhopper

(33,479 posts)
24. Ledecky has always been dominant
Mon Aug 8, 2016, 07:13 AM
Aug 2016

she broke her own world record, unlike Hosszu, but all winning athletes should be tested.

Is the suspiscion of doping in the Olympics really that far fetched to some people here?

melm00se

(4,984 posts)
26. I believe
Mon Aug 8, 2016, 07:53 AM
Aug 2016

that all medals winners are subjected to testing and other competitors can be randomly tested at any time during the Olympics.


edhopper

(33,479 posts)
29. yes
Mon Aug 8, 2016, 08:11 AM
Aug 2016

and she could well be clean, we shall see.

Though testing isn't perfect, as Lance Armstrong has shownn.

obamanut2012

(26,046 posts)
89. She broke her own WR, so it is very different
Wed Aug 10, 2016, 09:59 AM
Aug 2016

Ledecky could very well be juicing, too, but her juicing isn't obvious. This is obvious. She is juicing, probably masterminded by her messed up abusive husband.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
61. Inaccurate and subjective translations which minimize others
Mon Aug 8, 2016, 12:51 PM
Aug 2016

Inaccurate and subjective translations which minimize others are certainly self-serving in and of themselves. Hey, I'd presume one and only possible inference as well were I both young and absolute in my righteousness as well.

edhopper

(33,479 posts)
71. okay
Wed Aug 10, 2016, 08:26 AM
Aug 2016

now I get what you meant.

probably true in the way I phrased it, instead of "I think there is a chance Hosszu is doping."

drray23

(7,616 posts)
27. thats insulting.
Mon Aug 8, 2016, 07:57 AM
Aug 2016

She may have never won in the olympics before but she is one of the world best swimmer. Sometimes all it takes is the mental strenght to win. Apparently she was having issues with that until her husband and coach turned her around.
I am sure all atletes are testing before, during and after the olympics. You can bet they tested her after she won its standard practice. I will trust the olympic commitee to do that rather than throw unsubstantiated accusations. If she is doping she will be caught. Until then she should be recognized for the champion she is.


edhopper

(33,479 posts)
28. yes, true
Mon Aug 8, 2016, 08:09 AM
Aug 2016

if I was a media commentator or an official, instead of an anonymous internet poster, I wouldn't say something like this. But I am and can.

she is a gold medalist unless she is shown to use PEDs.

more times than not, when an athlete suddenly becomes this dominant, drugs are involved.

The Russian athletes are a testament to that.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
57. Sort of like, Zimmerman was innocent until proven guilty by a court of law...
Mon Aug 8, 2016, 12:44 PM
Aug 2016

but most DU'ers called him guilty from the outset.

Different/lower standard.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
43. I believe she successfully sued a fellow swimmer for libel on this question
Mon Aug 8, 2016, 10:45 AM
Aug 2016

So I suppose you're lucky to be a nobody - er, anonymous internet babbler.

edhopper

(33,479 posts)
44. As such
Mon Aug 8, 2016, 10:53 AM
Aug 2016

I can spout off an opinion. Worse is said about people here on a regular basis.

I think it was a Swim magazine, and has not been resolved.

though a search of the media shows I am not alone in my suspicion.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
33. The biggest dopers have yet to come on stage (with the possible exception of a single swimmer):
Mon Aug 8, 2016, 08:42 AM
Aug 2016


And their women, too.

Give them credit for not getting caught.

 

taught_me_patience

(5,477 posts)
58. Is there anybody that believes Bolt doesn't dope?
Mon Aug 8, 2016, 12:46 PM
Aug 2016

He's the poster boy for doping and not getting caught. The Jamaican team is notorious for their doping program.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
67. No -- the entire Jamaican team.
Wed Aug 10, 2016, 07:43 AM
Aug 2016

Consider the odds that such a tiny country would set world record in both the men's and women's 4x100 and dominate the field for a full decade.

Bolt is an extraordinary athlete, but, yeah....

obamanut2012

(26,046 posts)
91. They are masters at it, just like the Brazilians in MMA
Wed Aug 10, 2016, 10:01 AM
Aug 2016

regardless of gender. They almost all obviously juice, but are very good at learning how to cycle off and not get caught. It'll all come out one day, because it always does.

Tracer

(2,769 posts)
39. She has failed several drug tests.
Mon Aug 8, 2016, 09:20 AM
Aug 2016

Heard the announcer say that last night, and one of the other American swimmers (forget her name) said so too.

PragmaticLiberal

(904 posts)
40. I don't believe she has ever failed a drug test.
Mon Aug 8, 2016, 09:51 AM
Aug 2016

But with that being said, it seems as if many of her competitors think she's doping.

We shall see.

edhopper

(33,479 posts)
48. I still am amazed
Mon Aug 8, 2016, 11:07 AM
Aug 2016

the Russian team wasn't banned.

or maybe not considering how corrupt the IOC is.

 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
78. And probably still is, along with many other runners.
Wed Aug 10, 2016, 08:53 AM
Aug 2016

Clean runners, at least in the sprints, don't normally perform so well at at such an old age.

Xolodno

(6,384 posts)
49. Nah....
Mon Aug 8, 2016, 12:00 PM
Aug 2016

One of the Olympians who blew the whistle on the East Germans doping was called "Surly Shirley" by the media. Decades later she was proven right, but at the time she was derided as being a poor sport.

edhopper

(33,479 posts)
51. I am letting this go now
Mon Aug 8, 2016, 12:25 PM
Aug 2016

didn't think it would hang around for more than a few hours.

fell free to continue calling me an asshole and assume it's all because I am so pro team-America.

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
56. I hated when Lance was proven to have cheated, but it didnt
Mon Aug 8, 2016, 12:44 PM
Aug 2016

we as a big surprise either. And the Tour was right in strippimg him of his wins.

What I really hate is the fact that we send pro basketball players who literally crush their opponents. To me it doesn't keep with the Olympic spirit and makes the game boring. I watched the trail end of China v America and the final score was USA 119 - China 62. Where's the "sport" in that?

sarae

(3,284 posts)
52. I just read an article that implies her husband/trainer is
Mon Aug 8, 2016, 12:29 PM
Aug 2016

too hard on her, possibly abusive? The article:

http://jezebel.com/why-did-nbc-commentators-give-katinka-hosszus-husband-c-1784940772

Much has been made of Hosszu’s relationship with her trainer/husband Shane Tusup, who has been described by those who know him in terms that aren’t exactly flattering. Hosszu’s former coach, Dave Salo, told the New York Times that Hosszu has changed noticeably under Tusup’s guidance.

“I think the biggest issue with her is her husband,” he said. “I think you have to look at her motivation. Is it fear or confidence that is driving her?
 

taught_me_patience

(5,477 posts)
53. They are all juiced. I'd bet that 95% of all medal winners are juiced
Mon Aug 8, 2016, 12:34 PM
Aug 2016

HGH requires a blood test and you can test clean the next morning after taking it.

Hosszu just has something powerful that can't be detected yet. She'll be busted when her B sample is tested again in a couple of years.

 

pretzel4gore

(8,146 posts)
60. the real cheats are 1 percenters
Mon Aug 8, 2016, 12:50 PM
Aug 2016

notice one percenters aka '1st world athletes' do so much better then 3rd, 4th world or 'failed states....i recall 40 years ago, h kissinger said the 1st world had to 'nurture' chaos in the rest of the world to assure 1st world hegemony (not exact quote, but you get the idea)...i recall lance armstrong was doped up year after year (meanwhile usa/1st world was murdering iraq, destroying effective govs in middle east) while stealing bike championship... not to mention carl lewis. Why is 1st world shenanigans downplayed while those poor people KNOW darn well the reason we're better is cuz we have tech ability to hide our cheating until it too late, and don't matter! We destroyed the 'Workers' (Soviet) Union a long time ago and have basically made 'socialism' the same thing as belief in flat earth, tooth ferries and the idea of 'public interest'! That cost taxpayers billions (unless you think the koch bro's etc actually did anything for their vast wealth)...so please WE WON the war versus the worlds' poor and powerless, and we're gonna keep on winning until the planet rids itself of the cancer.

edhopper

(33,479 posts)
75. and she paid the consequences of doping
Wed Aug 10, 2016, 08:46 AM
Aug 2016

as Hosszu should if found to be.

Why do people keep assuming this is about "America".



 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
88. You got me.
Wed Aug 10, 2016, 09:58 AM
Aug 2016

Some people seem incapable of viewing *anything* outside of their chosen political narratives.

obamanut2012

(26,046 posts)
94. Yup, and it helped kill her
Wed Aug 10, 2016, 10:05 AM
Aug 2016

If she wouldn't have died, she would have been exposed. They didn't because she died -- that is well known in track circles, and yes, I know people who are well known in track circles.

obamanut2012

(26,046 posts)
84. Those in the swimming world think she is, and think her husband is abusive
Wed Aug 10, 2016, 09:52 AM
Aug 2016

In how he treats her. Which is why I am not thrilled about her win, or how he "loves" her.

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