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StrictlyRockers

(3,854 posts)
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 04:17 PM Aug 2016

Hillary Clinton Is One of America's Most Honest Politicians

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http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/08/hillary-clinton-one-americas-most-honest-politicians




Mother Jones
Kevin Drum
Aug 1, 2016

Jim Geraghty says that Hillary Clinton is a serial liar:

"We know she lies when she’s cornered. Running from snipers in the Balkans, being “dead broke” upon leaving the White House, “all my grandparents” immigrated to America, her tale of trying to join the Marines, her claim she never received or sent any material that was classified on her private e-mail system, her claim to have started criticizing the Iraq War before Barack Obama did… she lies, and she lies, and she lies."

Seriously, Jim? I'll give you the Balkans thing. That was a lie. But the others aren't. The Clintons were in debt when they left the White House. Hillary's great-grandparents were immigrants—she was off by a generation. Nobody knows if she ever tried to join the Marines, but there's no evidence she didn't. She didn't knowingly send classified material on her private email system, and it's hardly fair to judge her by the fact that some of her emails were retroactively classified. And her statement about the Iraq War was strained (she was talking about criticism after Obama joined the Senate), but it's typical political exaggeration, not a lie.

Look: all politicians lie sometimes. That includes Hillary Clinton. But as the chart on the right shows, Hillary is one of the most honest politicians on the national stage. Here's a similar conclusion from the New York Times.

Donald J. Trump - Percent Mostly False and worse - 76% Percent True or Mostly True - 7%
Hillary Clinton v - Percent Mostly False and worse - 28% Percent True or Mostly True - 51%

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The meme that Hillary is dishonest or can't be trusted is invented, sexist, right-wing horseshit. It needs to be fought. If we don't fight back against it with the facts, the thugs will continue to spread this manure.

In the immortal words of John Oliver, "Don't bring feelings to a fucking fact fight." The facts show that Hillary is one of the most, if not the most, honest politicians out there. Arm yourself with facts and let people know about them. The future of our country is at stake.
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Hillary Clinton Is One of America's Most Honest Politicians (Original Post) StrictlyRockers Aug 2016 OP
shhhh, that doesn't fit the media/GOP narrative...otherwise the race would be over. spanone Aug 2016 #1
The standard GOP playbook is to attack candidates for their strengths StrictlyRockers Aug 2016 #4
That is definitely true... kentuck Aug 2016 #19
Great graphic!!!! nt MADem Aug 2016 #2
Hope to see this... Mike Nelson Aug 2016 #3
That's what I'm hoping for. StrictlyRockers Aug 2016 #9
She is far behind Trump on lying, he has more lies in the past week than the ones Thinkingabout Aug 2016 #5
Well, color me surprised Jon Fogerty Aug 2016 #6
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2016 #7
Conflicts The Media Narrative. Trump... TomCADem Aug 2016 #8
That graphic should be be widely shown. But undoing years of "painting" is very difficult. andym Aug 2016 #10
Rec and thanks for post riversedge Aug 2016 #11
Bookmarked, thanks. n/t Martin Eden Aug 2016 #12
K&R! stonecutter357 Aug 2016 #13
That chart is really pretty if you look at it from afar, nice patterns. jack_krass Aug 2016 #14
I think I see your point. StrictlyRockers Aug 2016 #15
No doubt, that it is really pretty is the sounded depth of many minds. LanternWaste Aug 2016 #20
I hardly believe Sanders ever lied.... TheProgressive Aug 2016 #16
I admire your loyalty to Senator Sanders. StrictlyRockers Aug 2016 #17
She and Sanders, least pants on fire. Rex Aug 2016 #18

StrictlyRockers

(3,854 posts)
4. The standard GOP playbook is to attack candidates for their strengths
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 04:49 PM
Aug 2016

and to try to turn them into weaknesses.

They swift-boated John Kerry, a war hero. The say President Obama is inarticulate and needs to use a teleprompter, etc., etc., etc.

Hence, Hillary is dishonest. She is actually very honest. She knows she has to be especially so because her every utterance will be scrutinized by these rat bastards who try to turn her words against her. They've been going after her for 40 years and they have nothing so they are forced to spread this bullshit meme and concoct conspiracy theories.

StrictlyRockers

(3,854 posts)
9. That's what I'm hoping for.
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 06:40 PM
Aug 2016

They can try to attack the source, but Politifact is an independent, non-partisan source.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
5. She is far behind Trump on lying, he has more lies in the past week than the ones
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 05:06 PM
Aug 2016

Listed here. They don't use the same standards for Hillary and Trump.

Jon Fogerty

(45 posts)
6. Well, color me surprised
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 05:33 PM
Aug 2016

to see Michele Bachmann with the most POF lies, NOT! Although Drumpf will catch up to her in 3, 2, 1....

Response to StrictlyRockers (Original post)

andym

(5,441 posts)
10. That graphic should be be widely shown. But undoing years of "painting" is very difficult.
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 06:54 PM
Aug 2016

The GOP Benghazi investigations were successful in their goal to play upon HRC's close "association" with Bill and the 90's ethics investigations. And the months-long FBI email server investigation was used to amplify and legitimatize the earlier attacks. No matter that neither investigation found anything greater than carelessness (the email server). It will take time to undo the damage. Showing how truthful Hillary Clinton has been in her campaigning is a good place to start.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
20. No doubt, that it is really pretty is the sounded depth of many minds.
Mon Aug 8, 2016, 09:42 AM
Aug 2016

No doubt, that it is really pretty is the sounded depth of many minds.

StrictlyRockers

(3,854 posts)
17. I admire your loyalty to Senator Sanders.
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 09:53 PM
Aug 2016

I feel like he is one of the most honest and consistent politicians I have ever seen. He has been speaking about the same issues and staying on message for 30+ years.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
18. She and Sanders, least pants on fire.
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 10:02 PM
Aug 2016

It is curious how Jeb? got on that list and so far down on it.

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