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davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 10:19 AM Aug 2016

Several French cities and beaches ban the "Burkini," sparking accusations of Islamophobia

PARIS — The debate is now so heated in France that one could be forgiven for assuming that the burkini — the full-body bathing suit worn by some Muslim women — had invaded French beaches. Five towns have banned them. Three more are in the process of doing so. Prime Minister Manuel Valls supported the prohibitions on Wednesday, calling the garment part of “the enslavement of women.”

In fact it would be challenging to spot a burkini on most French beaches, and even some of the mayors considering the bans admit to never having seen one.

But with a presidential election approaching next year, and the nation palpably on edge after a series of terrorist attacks — including 85 people killed this summer along the French Riviera — the burkini has become a new dividing line in France’s increasingly fraught relationship with its Muslim population, Europe’s largest.

That there is no clear definition of what qualifies as a burkini, and that Muslim women have complained of being singled out on beaches even when covered by other kinds of garments, has raised the question of whether the increasing number of bans are meant to signal France’s demand for conformity with its non-Muslim majority or are genuinely part of France’s culture of laïcité, or secularism in public life.

That debate is a continuation of deep-seated discomfort in France with Muslim women’s dress that has long defied simple categories of left and right, leaving Mr. Valls, a Socialist, sounding a lot like the presidential hopeful for the center-right, Nicolas Sarkozy, or for that matter, Marine Le Pen, the leader of the extreme-right National Front.

“This is the soul of France that is in question,” Ms. Le Pen wrote in a blog post that strongly supported the burkini ban. “France does not lock away a woman’s body, France does not hide half of its population under the fallacious and hateful pretext that the other half fears it will be tempted.”

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In Cannes, where a ban on the burkini was enacted last week, at least six of 10 women who complained to a local Muslim association were simply going into the sea with their bodies covered. Violators of the ban are asked to leave the beach and can be fined 38 euros, or about $42.

On Saturday, brawls broke out at a beach in Corsica after some beachgoers began taking photographs of Muslim women wearing burkinis, prompting the mayor of the town of Sisco to ban the full-body bathing suits.


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/18/world/europe/fighting-for-the-soul-of-france-more-towns-ban-a-bathing-suit-the-burkini.html
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Several French cities and beaches ban the "Burkini," sparking accusations of Islamophobia (Original Post) davidn3600 Aug 2016 OP
Burkini metroins Aug 2016 #1
seems like it would do a great job blocking UV rays eShirl Aug 2016 #11
That's a pretty "come hither" pose... brooklynite Aug 2016 #16
As they say in Cannes: "Show us your..." MineralMan Aug 2016 #2
This from the country that has a law requiring speedos in pools... BooScout Aug 2016 #3
France is a country that has strict rules on religion in public yeoman6987 Aug 2016 #4
Pretty much. romanic Aug 2016 #12
Why are they bothering with this? treestar Aug 2016 #5
The obvious real reason Quantess Aug 2016 #6
So their reaction to terrorist attacks treestar Aug 2016 #7
Without judging whether or not is right or wrong ...what do you think? Quantess Aug 2016 #9
They are in France treestar Aug 2016 #10
Bigotry. MineralMan Aug 2016 #19
I support the French stand against radical beach wear. GOLGO 13 Aug 2016 #8
Why can't they wear wholesome CHRISTIAN swimwear? brooklynite Aug 2016 #13
What do Christians have to do with this topic? That photo is also from the early 1900's. grossproffit Aug 2016 #14
Religions of all sorts seems to have a big issue with female modesty... brooklynite Aug 2016 #15
A few years? More like a few centuries. grossproffit Aug 2016 #18
I'd wear a burkini 'cause I hate getting sunburned... hunter Aug 2016 #17

BooScout

(10,406 posts)
3. This from the country that has a law requiring speedos in pools...
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 10:40 AM
Aug 2016

It's the law in France for men to wear those tight speedos in pools. Icks me out!

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
6. The obvious real reason
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 11:50 AM
Aug 2016

is a reaction to all the recent terror attacks in Europe.

The favorability ratings of Muslim Extremism and all of its cultural trappings have understandably taken a hit.

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
9. Without judging whether or not is right or wrong ...what do you think?
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 02:32 PM
Aug 2016

Pretty obvious.

Also, it is a given that women get the most shit for being muslim, since muslim men get to dress as western as they want, while muslim women face the societal pressure to cover themselves. The consequences for a fundamentalist muslim woman for showing her knees? At best get called a whore, possibly arrested, at worst beaten or killed.

It is ALWAYS the women who bear the worst brunt of Islamophobia. Most muslim men go around living however they want, dressing in whatever western clothing they feel like wearing. Yet many of them oppress their own females by not allowing them to leave the home without a bunch of gloomy robes and coverings and shawls.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
10. They are in France
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 03:22 PM
Aug 2016

Supposedly a Western country. If they feel pressured by the men to wear them, they don't have to. Muslim women often wear Western dress in the west. But they should not have to if they don't feel they want to, whatever the reason.

GOLGO 13

(1,681 posts)
8. I support the French stand against radical beach wear.
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 12:51 PM
Aug 2016

Bikini today, Bikini tomorrow, Bikini Forever! Vive la France!

brooklynite

(94,495 posts)
15. Religions of all sorts seems to have a big issue with female modesty...
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 04:30 PM
Aug 2016

...the Moslems (who I don't have any more respect for than the Christians) are just a few years behind...

hunter

(38,310 posts)
17. I'd wear a burkini 'cause I hate getting sunburned...
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 04:35 PM
Aug 2016

... and waiting for the pathology reports of things that have been cut out of my skin is stressful.

I was a blond Southern California kid on the beaches, back when everyone thought a tan was healthy.

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