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ChoppinBroccoli

(3,781 posts)
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 10:39 AM Aug 2016

Teh Stoopid Boggles The Mind

A little bit of background: I have an acquaintance (I won't call him a friend, but he's a guy I can converse with in a friendly-enough manner about certain things) who I often run into at the courthouse. He's a fellow attorney, so you wouldn't think he'd be a dumb guy. He is, however, about as far right as a person can be, and regularly takes me aback at some of the outrageous things he says IN PUBLIC (as in, he has no shame about it). For example, I am a rabid Cowboys fan and he is a rabid Steelers fan (which is natural since he's originally from West Virginia), and literally the first words he ever spoke to me (I didn't know him from Adam at the time) were, after seeing my Cowboys shirt at a CLE we were both attending, he walked up to me and said, "Fuckin' Cowboys SUCK!!! STEELERS!!!" and then just walked away. I'd never spoken to him before in my life. Well, one day he comes up to me at court and says, "I hate the Cowboys, but there is one thing I like about them." I said, "Oh really? What's that?" thinking there was some player he admired or something like that. He says, "I like that they cut that queer." This was a few years ago, after the Cowboys released Michael Sam. So this is what we're dealing with.

For some reason, I accepted his friend request on Facebook, and yesterday he posted a link to an article from abcnews.com.co (which should set off warning bells already--obviously a fake and/or spoofed website). The article was titled, "Obama signs executive order banning the Pledge of Allegiance in all schools." Now warning bells are going off in deafening fashion, because who could possibly be SO naive as to think that this could actually be a real thing? So I go to Google, and sure enough, the very first link that pops up is Snopes, which thoroughly debunks the article. Apparently this is an old right-wing lie that's been recirculated a number of times since 2008, and is always posted on websites with addresses that appear similar to actual news websites. The websites usually contain malware as well.

So I very politely posted a link to the Snopes article declaring it false (I assumed he'd want to know that he was passing along clearly faulty information), and said, "Even if Snopes hadn't thoroughly debunked this story years ago, you, as someone who knows the Constitution, should know that this kind of thing can't be done via executive order." I also warned him that if he'd visited that website, that his computer likely had malware on it now.

The very first response to my comment was from someone I don't know (probably a friend of his) saying, AND I QUOTE, "Snopes is a Communist website that rarely prints anything true." Wow. Just..........wow.

His response was to say, "The current Junta doesn't have much regard for the Constitution. They see it as a hindrance," and then he posts another link to an article titled, "15 times Obama has broken the law."

At that point, I figured I'd said enough and there was no point engaging him any further. Apparently my seemingly innocuous comment emboldened him, though, because since then, he's gone on a tirade of re-posting every wild right-wing lie he can find, including a guy declaring as if it were 100% fact, that Drumpf NEVER called for Hillary to be assassinated because, "he meant at the polls," and then posted a video purporting to show Hillary, "calling for the assassination of Obama in 2008." I didn't watch the video because I didn't want to burn any more brain cells, as I have so few left to spare already.

Oh, and by the way, if you need to know a little bit more about this guy, you know those weird "You're Going To Hell" comic book things you sometimes find in public restrooms and gas stations, etc.? Yeah, he's one of the guys who puts them there. He also adamantly opposes marijuana legalization because marijuana, "lowers your defenses against devils." So, when you wonder aloud, who ARE these people who are so willing to believe all these blatant right-wing lies? There's your answer.

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DURHAM D

(32,605 posts)
3. Well, actually I have and must admit
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 10:54 AM
Aug 2016

when I meet one that is a member of the Federalist Society I always put them on my list of - "Never trust this one"



tblue37

(65,217 posts)
17. The US government was stocked with fundie lawyers during the CheneyBush
Fri Aug 19, 2016, 12:01 AM
Aug 2016

administration. They all came from Jerry Falwell's Liberty University Law School.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
6. I've known of lawyers
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 11:08 AM
Aug 2016

Who think the Marbury vs. Madison decision is wrong. They want to go back that far? LOL. They will assert the courts have no right to strike down a law, because of that. This is dreamland territory. Maybe as a lawyer you learn to argue for things and thus take any outrageous argument and creatively come up with a way to actually argue it. It may be full of holes but maybe they convince themselves in the meantime. It's kind of scary.

strategery blunder

(4,225 posts)
18. Hell, when I first learned of Marbury v. Madison in civics,
Fri Aug 19, 2016, 12:23 AM
Aug 2016

I thought the court pulled the decision out of its @$$ given the case before it. It seemed to me that the court at the time just ignored the case at hand and invented for itself new power, only tangentially resolving the case while focusing the bulk of its attention on justifying the new power it had created for itself. However that was more a gut reaction than anything else. No other student in the class even cared.

Of course now so much jurisprudence is built upon that decision that regardless of whether or not the decision was or was not correct, reversing it now would be such a catastrophe that its repeal *is* dreamland territory.

I wouldn't fault a lawyer for having a personal belief that the court erred in that decision, but attempting to argue that in court or even sharing that belief with a client is lunacy for so much now rests upon that decision. And yes, it is entirely possible to believe that error was made two centuries ago, and that it is far too late to possibly correct it.

StrictlyRockers

(3,855 posts)
7. Can confirm MaryJane "lowers your defenses against devils."
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 11:20 AM
Aug 2016

Consequently, I will not be offering any of my stash to this wingnut. If the voices in his head got any louder, he'd probably start thinking Obama is a Muslim, or worse, a Catholic. He's probably a Muslim-Catholic-Communist-Islamacist.

Freaking wingnut.

mrmpa

(4,033 posts)
8. As a Steelers fan.............
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 11:39 AM
Aug 2016

I apologize for this ass wipes attitude. I honestly revel when the Cowboys lose, but I'm not going to say the Cowboys "suck" or use "fucking" as a pronoun.

As a lawyer he sucks with his absolute ignorance of the Constitution and not being able to interpret what a person says.

FYI: The Steelers owners (the Rooney family) endorsed President Obama both in 2008 and 20012. The senior Rooney also was named Ambassador to Ireland in 2005 by the President. That's all you need to know about the Steelers organization, and this idiot does not represent, I would say the majority, of Steelers fans.

kimbutgar

(21,050 posts)
10. Is he a graduate of Liberty University law school?
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 12:36 PM
Aug 2016

A real white wing law school who's graduates join the federalist society after getting their degree.

SeattleVet

(5,477 posts)
11. When dealing with these people I try not to use Snopes if possible...
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 01:20 PM
Aug 2016

they all have the same reaction. After Snopes debunked some GWB crap many years ago, the wingnuts decided that it was a far left operation and totally biased against conservatives.

I either use hoax-slayer, or, if I do have to use the Snopes article (sometimes it's the only one that has done the research), I only give them the listed references that Snopes used and not the article itself. Snopes uses reliable references for everything, so I give them the actual source material and not the full Snopes article. Usually works.

Moonwalk

(2,322 posts)
12. The only think that confuses me is why you haven't "unfriended" him....
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 01:32 PM
Aug 2016

...it doesn't seem like he's doing much outside of cluttering your Facebook page with dumb stuff. And as for me, I never wonder "who are these people who would believe such lies..." People, after all, believe over and over again, that the world will end and they must sell everything--they've believed it would end for all kinds of dumb reasons, even because of a mis-translated Mayan prophecy. I'm not sure why I have to have further proof that these people exists, that they can be anyone of any education level, or that they'll believe anything no matter how absurd. I also know that they'll either go to the grave believing what they believed or learn the truth the hard way (as it mows them down under it's ruthless tires)...or maybe finally be put on the medication they should have been on years ago to correct their mental imbalance. That's the way it works. Such lies and fantasies are, to them, like drugs to a drug addict.

I mean, I totally agree that we must understand them and their danger to the world. We dare not ignore or dismiss them. They are the ones, after all, who bomb and shoot and sabotage. But what good are you getting out of letting one of them post their crazy fantasy conspiracy faux news articles on your Facebook page?

That's the only thing I don't understand.

Xolodno

(6,383 posts)
13. I think it depends on the Law School/ he went to and/or instructors....and or timing of attendance.
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 04:57 PM
Aug 2016

The same goes for Economics. Some schools of Economic thought or instructors will promote some serious whacked stuff. From absolute capitalism that borderlines on anarchy to full complete state communistic control (I was fortunate to have an education that was varied and instructors that wanted you to challenge them rather than accept what they had to say as defacto)

Ronald Reagan had a degree in Economics from Eureka College and was in school during the "Red Scare" (which could have influenced his fear of large government), he obviously took up arms with Keynesian opposition in the 70's as Keynes can sound like going "in the direction" of Socialism.

Likewise, I bet this guy went somewhere that challenges many past court rulings and he probably went there because it agreed with his prejudices/hate.

genxlib

(5,518 posts)
14. Been There
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 10:22 PM
Aug 2016

I had a very similar experience with a Contractor that was a client of mine. He started sending me ridiculous emails and got pissed when I pointed out that they were false. He gave me all kinds of shit before he finally said he didn't care if it was true or not because he knew Obama was evil.

I also had another guy who was fairly well known in the community as a former pro football player. He had developed quite an email list when he started peddling bullshit. He wasn't evil but just dumb as a box of rocks. So he fell for all those faux patriotism emails about the horrible things Obama was supposedly doing. I gently pointed out the error of his ways and he was pretty gracious. His downfall was when he spread one that exposed all of the email addresses of all the people on the list. That is bad form in general but is especially bad because his email list included the likes of Jeb Bush, Dan Marino and Don Shula. By the time he got all the requests to be removed from his list, I never heard from him again. Not to bright that one.

It is worth trying. Even if the intended recipient doesn't see the light, someone else who sees it might be influenced.

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