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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsObama has now delivered a third body blow to the war on drugs
Lest people forget.
1. The Obama administration has essentially gutted the basis of civil forfeitures, which made the war on drugs profitable to enforcement agencies.
2. The Obama administration has opened cannabis research to institutions other than the University of Mississippi
3. Today, the Obama administration has announced that the Federal government will move its incarceration away from private prisons.
This is how you end the war on drugs. One step at a time. Thanks Obama.
villager
(26,001 posts)Nonetheless, better to have the small steps than none at all.
MADem
(135,425 posts)tried it could result in problematic law that it would take forever to pick apart.
He is inching forward. It's irritating to those who prefer grand change, but incremental change usually works better.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)How about Attorney General Maura Healey (D)? Boston Mayor Marty Walsh? They seem to agree with the Governor and Lt Governor.
MADem
(135,425 posts)You can get a prescription easily and the police aren't busting people.
It's a hundred dollar fine (ticket) IF you give the popo so much grief that they're searching you.
Marty Walsh is an addict--he'd ban alcohol if he could get away with it.
Even Elizabeth Warren has pivoted from being anti to being open to exploring.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)against people, a proxy excuse to use for repression, "round-ups," and rhetorical diversions. Sure, you can get away with smoking in places like Austin -- if you are not on someone's "unsub" list. It also keeps the Democratic Party out of the pilot house because of its overwrought fear of being "Soft on -----" (fill in the blank), and hence deferring to the GOP. I am particularly concerned about the A.G.'s well-developed ideology of prohibitionist politics: Make something illegal so we can make you illegal.
MADem
(135,425 posts)We are well down the road; we have longer to go.
I seem to recall that mj possession, even for small amounts, in TX used to carry up to a life sentence...and now people are smoking in Austin?
http://www.texasmonthly.com/articles/how-the-new-drug-law-was-made/
http://norml.org/laws/item/texas-penalties-2
We'll have a new AG in a few months--and a new approach to this issue. If Obama does anything more with this matter, it'll be as a lame duck AFTER the election.
ABLEZEROSIX
(13 posts)Congress gave full authority to reclassify dangerous drugs to the DEA.
MADem
(135,425 posts)calimary
(81,220 posts)From Schedule 1 to Schedule 2, so we can start studying it for its medicinal value.
That's a good step, as well! Marijuana should have been reclassified a LOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNG time ago!
villager
(26,001 posts)Would love to have this actually happen, however.
calimary
(81,220 posts)It's long past time.
villager
(26,001 posts)...turns out to be.
gilpo
(708 posts)and deliver. Starts with keeping the pressure on
villager
(26,001 posts)...or even protect much of our 4th Amendment.
But we still have to pressure, regardless.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Except crack the door open more for pharma companies; it would do nothing to resolve the inherent conflict btw. federal and state law.
The 9th District acknowledged in its recent ruling- the current situation is untenable. Federal law needs to be fixed, whether that involves full descheduling of marijuana from the CSA, allowing states to opt out of federal law pertaining to marijuana, or what.
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/editorials/la-ed-marijuana-federal-law-20160818-snap-story.html
villager
(26,001 posts)Obviously, full descheduling will have to happen sometime, and/or the state "opt out." (Though that will leave red states nabbing highway travelers from "legal states" as a kind of "cash cow" for their "no-tax" coffers...)
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)some awareness on the issue nationally, instead of treating it like a big joke.
Really, I think the big game-changer on the immediate horizon is Measure 64 in CA. If CA legalizes that will mean both the entire West Coast and the 6th biggest economy in the world or what-have-you are legal; if that passes then I think the writing will really be on the wall for prohibition.
Taitertots
(7,745 posts)Tell them you championed the half measures that only served to prolong prohibition.
Tell them maybe your grand children won't be the target of a war against the American people.
JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)No one "championed half-measures". I see some little progress has been made and the OP was pointing that out. No need for hostility, we're all on the same side here.
Democat
(11,617 posts)That's not the way that a government split between the far right and the left works.
Be happy that progress is being made and keep fighting.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Coyotl
(15,262 posts)You want to end the war on Mr. Nixon's political enemies, restore their right to participate in democracy.
MADem
(135,425 posts)He is not a king, and he cannot order a state to conduct their elections in any specific way.
This is why some ex-felons can vote in some states, and can't in others.
Terry McAuliffe took so much shit as governor when he restored the rights of felons (he had to sign each document--many thousands of them--individually) because the STATES have ownership of the process.
The way to win the voting rights battle is to do it at the state level. There's no way that a GOP Congress is going to create any law that encourages people who will not vote for them to have the right of enfranchisement--and that's how any sweeping federal change would have to be made, absent a civil rights - type issue that is decided at the Supreme Court.
If you live in a state that denies these rights, I would urge you to find the group working to change them, and offer time, cash, and other support to them.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)And that is why in racist states they use these Jim Crow laws to take the vote away from people. Redneck cops and DA's continue doing the political dirty work every day. This needs to stoop, and there are ways for the federal government to act in the interest of the disenfranchised.
I'm pointing to a big issue, while not saying what you read into my post.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Look at what McAuliffe did in VA. He threw a bright light on the issue, and good for him.
We need to elect more governors who will do what he did. We are not even close to any tipping point on this issue, yet. We're getting there, but it is going to take time AND activism at the state level, not looking to King Barack for a solution--he just doesn't have the Congress to help him, or the time.
If you think that the POTUS can wave his hand and decree that states run elections the way he wants, and allow the voters of his choosing, I have a bridge for sale. The SC would shove that back in his face so fast we'd be reeling from the effects of it for generations.
The laws and election rules vary widely from state to state--it's a state prerogative, not a federal one:
http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/felon-voting-rights.aspx
Obama IS working to fix this issue, but he's going around and slipping in via the side door, not marching up to the front door and trying to bang it down. All that kind of approach does is encourage the far right to further bar the door.
vlyons
(10,252 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)lose the majority in at least one chamber, stick it to us with a "EFF YEW" Exception law that might take a while to unpick?
This guy understands that the best route isn't always the quickest one.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)they can override his veto.
"First I Look At The Purse."
--Most US Congressmen
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Stuart G
(38,420 posts)so.............. late November...after Hillary has been safely elected in a landslide...just maybe...........
that will be time to .........reschedule cannabis........
we do not need this election argued about something other than ....asshole Drump...
something that might unify the anti pot crusaders...well.......we know who they are...don't we?
Oh......proper timing is essential in a move like that..don't you think?????
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)The people with money are doing all they can, you see.
For 40 years, poor communities of color have experienced the wrath of the war on drugs.
But the ramifications of this momentous shift are left unaddressed. When you flick on the TV to a segment about the flowering pot market in Colorado, you'll find that the faces of the movement are primarily white and male. Meanwhile, many of the more than 210,000 people who were arrested for marijuana possession in Colorado between 1986 and 2010 according to a report from the Marijuana Arrest Research Project, remain behind bars. Thousands of black men and boys still sit in prisons for possession of the very plant that's making those white guys on TV rich.
In many ways the imagery doesn't sit right, said Michelle Alexander, associate professor of law at Ohio State University and author of The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness in a public conversation on March 6 with Asha Bandele of the Drug Policy Alliance. Here are white men poised to run big marijuana businesses, dreaming of cashing in bigbig money, big businesses selling weedafter 40 years of impoverished black kids getting prison time for selling weed, and their families and futures destroyed. Now, white men are planning to get rich doing precisely the same thing?
...
http://www.alternet.org/drugs/michelle-alexander-white-men-get-rich-legal-pot-black-men-stay-prison
...
A few days later, the corner is empty. The reason is a Ford SUV, painted black, blue, and white, idling at the curb a few feet away; a police officers arm hangs out the window as he surveys the faces passing by. A few hours later he is gone, and the crowd is back. Mostly, the crowd is black. Mostly, the cops who will bust them are white. Mostly, on the corner its hard to see how anything was changed by a movement that aimed to change everything.
The dream of legal marijuana as it is being sold to the American public is that it will not only give states a chance to reap a tax windfall off of a drug millions of Americans already use; it will end the back-and-forth tussle among cops, users, and dealers, and shift police resources to more serious crimes. Most compellingly, advocates hold out the promise of a major step toward dismantling one of the pillars of racially biased policingthe war on drugsand finally reeling in a legal net that has long entangled black men at vastly disproportionate rates.
Proponents of legalization make this case explicitly. In factsheets and reports, the American Civil Liberties Union describes marijuana laws as generating staggering racial bias. And the statistics do paint a stark picture: Although whites are as likely to use marijuana as blacks, nationally black people are almost four times more likely to be arrested for possessing the drug. In some states, its closer to nine times. Those arrests in turn show up on background checks for everything from apartments to jobs, and despite the courts presumption of innocence, arrests are often treated by society as de facto markers of guilt. So in one fell swoop, voters are told, they can balance government budgets, begin to close a pipeline that sends one in three black men to prison, and free up the cops to chase real criminals. Plus, now its legal to get stoned.
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http://www.alternet.org/drugs/michelle-alexander-white-men-get-rich-legal-pot-black-men-stay-prison
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)...which is no justice at all. It's just legalized hostage-taking and slavery. The whole system is geared to favour the rich and powerful.
If you're poor, you submit to servitude. If you're rich, you go free.
Ligyron
(7,629 posts)that he pardons every last non-violent person that's in jail for drug possession nation wide.
AllyCat
(16,180 posts)Not marijuana.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,175 posts)Simple possession, even selling MJ won't land you in federal prison. Trafficking in from Mexico and across state lines will.
Calculating
(2,955 posts)That and pardoning anybody in prison purely for possession of cannabis.
allan01
(1,950 posts)the war on drugs according to its proponent was a war on hippies . blacks and other groups . nothing more than a sham
ancianita
(36,030 posts)I'm so happy to feel the horrid years across at least three presidencies coming to an end.
I hope that next up across fifty states ther will be new prosecution regulations toward police who kill citizens they treat as 'guilty by suspicion.'
NBachers
(17,107 posts)Last edited Fri Aug 19, 2016, 10:37 AM - Edit history (1)
I would also like to see the conspiracy and prosecution techniques that were developed for drug "offenders" to be used against financial crime terrorists in this country. The procedures are all worked out, and have proven effective. Why not use the structures that are already there?
PatSeg
(47,415 posts)Go after the people who actually DO harm society.
byronius
(7,394 posts)Fully agree with that one.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)+1000000
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)I will note that he has also pardoned prisoners from a lot of non-violent drug crimes.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)My state has decriminalized weed but I still have a possession conviction that will be with me forever.
And it was for a tiny amount. It's fucked up.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)of the hundreds of thousands of non-violent drug offenders.
lillypaddle
(9,580 posts)alfredo
(60,071 posts)Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)Is that it was profitable for both sides to continue the practice.
Indians acquired property by raiding caravans, and Spaniards acquired slaves capturing the raiders. There was no incentive to kill the raiders because dead slaves aren't productive.
So the wars went on for a century until the viceroy realized what was happening and outlawed the practice of capturing slaves. Once the incentive of capturing slaves was removed, Spaniards began defending the caravans with deadly force, and the raids stopped because the risk became too high.
Likewise, the war on drugs has prolonged because there's profit to be made on both sides.
Remove the profit motive and suddenly the problem disappears.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)But you seem to be implying that both sides control the laws being made.
One side is trying to survive. The other side is using the state to ethnically cleanse and/or enslave the other.
Ellen Forradalom
(16,159 posts)All important steps.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2016-04-11/obamas-doj-sets-back-justice-with-asset-forfeiture-program
Thanks, Obama
progressoid
(49,987 posts)truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)OxQQme
(2,550 posts)rioting in the streets after their hero goes down?
Peachhead22
(1,078 posts)Up until recently the University of Mississippi was the only place that could GROW the cannabis that was used by researchers. The researchers could be almost anywhere, then and now. And same as before, researchers still have to jump though many hoops to get permission to do the research. But at least they don't have to wait anymore for the U of Miss for the testing materials.
At least that's my understanding of it.
IMO #1 and #3 (and the Obama administration's policy of pretty much not getting in the way of individual states as the states reform their MJ laws) are overwhelmingly positive. But the recent DEA scheduling decision kinda sucked because it was misleading and didn't go nearly far enough.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)Article goes on to say that the reinstatement of the program by the feds does, in fact, get in the way of reform efforts by the states.
SheriffBob
(552 posts)Replace the leader of the DEA.
A lot of young voters, who would be voting for democrats, are voting for johnson and stein because they are pro legal pot.
Yet it seems like President Obama wants us to keep off the grass.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)What would a new DEA director be able to accomplish that the current one can't?
SheriffBob
(552 posts)i could be wrong, though.
he does have influence.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)That's probably why they went with the research expansion, since rescheduling Marijuana wouldn't decriminalize it
The Wizard
(12,542 posts)was successful 2/3 of our fast food industry would be closing down.
The DEA is a dumping ground where politicians get unwarranted good paying jobs for hacks and cronies who would otherwise be stealing hubcaps or selling hand relief in public toilets.
Hekate
(90,648 posts)....to Washington to work with Hillary so she can finish the job and then some.
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)I want HRC to get some things done and she's gonna need a BLUE CONGRESS
WestIndianArchie
(386 posts)How about a Presidential Pardon for all non-violent drug offenders in the country, before he leaves office.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)IronLionZion
(45,432 posts)In the states that have legalized it, the DEA still harasses many legal cannabis growers which makes it prohibitively expensive for small independent businesses.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)Better late than never, I suppose.
It's a shame about those whose lives have been ruined in the useless "War On Drugs" insanity of the last forty years, let alone those since he was first inaugurated.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)It would be amusing to watch people complain about that if it weren't sad.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)The Republicans would have used that as campaign fodder, and we all know that.
The DoJ until just recently was going after state-legal marijuana dispensaries, and the only reason they stopped was ta federal court told them they had to.
Obama could have stopped the DoJ with one phone call to his AG long before.
Political cowardice.
Calculating
(2,955 posts)The "family values" voters? Those guys were never voting D anyway.
KG
(28,751 posts)bodyblows.
Initech
(100,065 posts)But cutting off for profit prisons - excellent!!!