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Ms. Toad

(34,062 posts)
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 01:13 PM Aug 2016

When you post pictures of the naked Trump statue . . . you’re using my appearance to shame Trump

"When you post pictures of the naked Trump statue, I think about the similarities to how I look in the mirror, and I wonder if you’re aware that you’re using my appearance to shame Trump. If you’re aware that the ridicule doesn’t just touch him–it touches me.
. . .
What it says to me, when you post these pictures and laugh at Trump’s naked body, is that you consider fatness to be on par with these other issues. That Trump’s fatness is worth the energy to critique because it is as bad as his stances on Muslims and murder, his flagrant disregard for other human beings, his duplicitous and pandering words, his dangerous foreign policy approaches, and his evident disdain for millions of people
. . .
Trump doesn’t have a monopoly on using bigotry and the politics of division to hurt people. Let’s do better, friends."


http://www.holliseaster.com/p/naked-truth-trump-statues/

Worth a read. There are way too many times on DU where I encounter posts that use appearances, mental health, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, etc. as a stand-in for directly condemning unconscionable behavior. One or two words work better a as a sound byte, but those words or images also carry a pretty big actual bite delivered to individuals I care about whose characteristics are being used to shame the politician.

As Hollis Easter suggests, we should be better than that.
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When you post pictures of the naked Trump statue . . . you’re using my appearance to shame Trump (Original Post) Ms. Toad Aug 2016 OP
It's not the "fat" aspect that bothers me or the missing balls cali Aug 2016 #1
Some of the prisoners, and many of the poor are those whose bodies are being used Ms. Toad Aug 2016 #9
It's not about his body. It's facial expressions Trump shares with other sociopaths; look: Jeffersons Ghost Aug 2016 #101
Yes... ms liberty Aug 2016 #116
The reality is that Trump and Manson facial expressions are common and uncannily similar Jeffersons Ghost Aug 2016 #131
We can still be human if we show our ass. Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #143
please do not shame trump by posting negative comments about him nt msongs Aug 2016 #2
No. Don't use body or mental characteristics that many share Ms. Toad Aug 2016 #14
stupid, bigoted and narcissistic are mental characteristics that Trump has Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #139
The statue is making an allusion to the "Emperor has no Clothes" fable. The plaque pnwmom Aug 2016 #3
That doesn't change how Hollis Easter (the author of the piece) Ms. Toad Aug 2016 #12
Can't please everyone... TipTok Aug 2016 #24
I don't think the statute exaggerates his fat. Have you seen the photos of him in golf clothes? pnwmom Aug 2016 #39
EXACTLY! n/t Brainstormy Aug 2016 #44
Ugh! He's revolting. smirkymonkey Aug 2016 #106
His body isn't being used, The artist impression of Trumps' body is. cleanhippie Aug 2016 #72
It's a statue of Donald Trump,... TeeYiYi Aug 2016 #104
Thank YOU! smirkymonkey Aug 2016 #108
Fine, but Hollis Easter should understand the difference between his perception & objective reality Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #137
Thank you so much. GoneOffShore Aug 2016 #146
Yes. It's not his shape that is exposed it's his ego. His body just happens to be that way naked. The Wielding Truth Aug 2016 #18
Would you say the same if black individuals complained about Ms. Toad Aug 2016 #21
Yes. Whenever a dictator or fool is being mocked in this EHNC fashion it is not about you. The Wielding Truth Aug 2016 #28
That's the way I see it. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2016 #45
You can also see his veins in the statue. That's an allusion to his thin skin. n/t FSogol Aug 2016 #88
I posted the same a few days ago Mojorabbit Aug 2016 #4
Trump body-shames every woman he meets. backscatter712 Aug 2016 #10
So it's bad when he does it melman Aug 2016 #13
So that makes it OK to use Hollis Easter's body (and that of every other fat person as a weapon Ms. Toad Aug 2016 #15
I don't think the statue is making fun of his fat -- that's realistic. It's making fun of his pnwmom Aug 2016 #43
Unless Hollis Easter (whoever the hell that is) was the unwilling model for that statue, then MADem Aug 2016 #46
hear, hear - well said Ligyron Aug 2016 #62
Very well said. ronnie624 Aug 2016 #92
Was he the model for that statue? No. It isn't his body! cleanhippie Aug 2016 #74
+1,000 malaise Aug 2016 #29
+1000 smirkymonkey Aug 2016 #37
I was about to say to the OP, "Oh, bullshit," till I read your post. OK. I get it now. Squinch Aug 2016 #68
Obviously this person is culturally deprived Warpy Aug 2016 #5
When people with characteristics that are being used to shame others Ms. Toad Aug 2016 #16
it was to shame Trump, alone. Warpy Aug 2016 #20
So if - day after day, month after month, I am told by the barage of Ms. Toad Aug 2016 #23
Nice straw man. Now go play with him, he's all yours Warpy Aug 2016 #25
It's not a straw man. Ms. Toad Aug 2016 #27
I agree that body shaming is wrong. But the point of the naked Trumps was not body shaming. Chemisse Aug 2016 #82
I think the author misses the point. SunSeeker Aug 2016 #6
Have you surveyed those individuals who are overweight? Ms. Toad Aug 2016 #19
Have you looked around? Most U.S. men of that age have a belly. SunSeeker Aug 2016 #40
Here's some recent pics of Trump golfing. The statue is quite true to his shape. SunSeeker Aug 2016 #48
I guess this guy would "feel" better if the artist put Trump's head on the statue of David, or MADem Aug 2016 #64
Here is a response from someone who is morbidly overweight - me. usedtobedemgurl Aug 2016 #111
I don't comment on bashing threads like the nude statue thread yeoman6987 Aug 2016 #7
No. Posting picture of the statue isn't the issue. Gormy Cuss Aug 2016 #8
That is a valid intellectual argument - but it doesn't alleviate the actual pain it is causing Ms. Toad Aug 2016 #17
The pain that it's causing? Seriously? cleanhippie Aug 2016 #75
I can't control how others react to art Gormy Cuss Aug 2016 #129
I'd say Trump's ...ahem... endowment (such as it is) has become a metaphor for his insecurity... backscatter712 Aug 2016 #11
So in order to convey the emperor had no clothes theme Egnever Aug 2016 #22
Does Trump actually have no testicles & a small penis? Ms. Toad Aug 2016 #26
Sorry but no Egnever Aug 2016 #31
Couldn't have said it better myself. backscatter712 Aug 2016 #50
That's his shape to a T--not hidden by a thousand dollar (or more) suit. MADem Aug 2016 #66
I have only his short fingers to go by in order to judge his genitalia etherealtruth Aug 2016 #70
Obesity has a long history as a mark of wealth and privilege; that's why this exaggeration is used Gormy Cuss Aug 2016 #130
Some people don't understand metaphors Mz Pip Aug 2016 #32
In truth, I share the statue's body style. madamesilverspurs Aug 2016 #30
+1. Stripped of his yuugely expensive tailored suits, he is just an elderly man.... Hekate Aug 2016 #57
Isn't this protected form of free speech? Vilis Veritas Aug 2016 #33
Well, they were taken down... backscatter712 Aug 2016 #52
Free speech is a legal concept that applies to governmental action, Ms. Toad Aug 2016 #65
Moral condemnation is the top of the slope that leads to censorship. Vilis Veritas Aug 2016 #89
Exploiting a loophole that technically allows you to shut down speech NuclearDem Aug 2016 #99
Yet another effort to make liberals play by rules that right-wingers discarded, decades ago. Paladin Aug 2016 #34
I agree. MADem Aug 2016 #36
A-fucking-men. backscatter712 Aug 2016 #47
Boom. joshcryer Aug 2016 #126
but Mommmm!! they did it FIRST!!! oh, nevermind. nt TheFrenchRazor Aug 2016 #133
Trump has made a living "shaming" people for their appearance. MADem Aug 2016 #35
+1000 smirkymonkey Aug 2016 #38
Well said. (nt) Paladin Aug 2016 #41
Fuck that - the statue's funny and I get the point MuttLikeMe Aug 2016 #42
I kind of get where Hollis Easter is coming from. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2016 #49
The trouble here is that Donald treestar Aug 2016 #51
Nobody deserves to be shamed for their body type Major Nikon Aug 2016 #69
I don't know treestar Aug 2016 #71
He should not get away with it. He should be called out for it. Major Nikon Aug 2016 #87
You know, a principle is a principle only if it applies universally. X_Digger Aug 2016 #91
This is not body shaming.... usedtobedemgurl Aug 2016 #112
You know, people will vary in their opinion HereSince1628 Aug 2016 #113
Well others would be wrong.... usedtobedemgurl Aug 2016 #117
I'm so glad to know that you are so very certain. HereSince1628 Aug 2016 #118
Thank you, I am. usedtobedemgurl Aug 2016 #119
Is that statue really body shaming him? treestar Aug 2016 #121
Well said! Nt Mojorabbit Aug 2016 #145
I hate the almost sterile-type world SJW want. Oneironaut Aug 2016 #53
Exactly. Shrieking and scolding gets us nowhere. backscatter712 Aug 2016 #56
You know that "SJW" is a conservative tell, right? Squinch Aug 2016 #67
No it's not. It's a term that come to describe the overly-sensitive, constantly outraged cleanhippie Aug 2016 #76
Originated by conservatives to make fun of liberals. Squinch Aug 2016 #77
Sure it was. It's not any longer. cleanhippie Aug 2016 #78
By the like-minded. Squinch Aug 2016 #79
Even broken clocks are right twice a day. cleanhippie Aug 2016 #80
Conservatives aren't clocks, and they're never right. Squinch Aug 2016 #86
Lol. cleanhippie Aug 2016 #124
Indeed. I mean, have you read the Republican Platform, Squinch? Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #141
Wait, weren't you the one arguing (vociferously) that language changes? (re: Princeton) X_Digger Aug 2016 #93
Does it hurt you when you stretch that far? Squinch Aug 2016 #123
No, it's not. NuclearDem Aug 2016 #98
Yes, it is! RandiFan1290 Aug 2016 #110
Look I'm overweight MFM008 Aug 2016 #54
I'm tired with this we should be better than that crap.. HipChick Aug 2016 #55
Exactly. Well said. GOLGO 13 Aug 2016 #58
Hollis needs to get a thicker skin. nt msanthrope Aug 2016 #59
Given the article, they'd probably just get triggered by that too. NuclearDem Aug 2016 #97
When someone says, "He stands naked before God," it means stripped of all worldly vanity & illusion Hekate Aug 2016 #60
No it isn't matt819 Aug 2016 #61
oh good grief! chillfactor Aug 2016 #63
I'm overweight and I don't think the statue has anything to do with me. Kaleva Aug 2016 #73
Thank you. I agree. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #81
Completely missing the point! It is not about the fat liberal N proud Aug 2016 #83
Next up: we can no longer make fun of the GOP for being ignorant Proud Public Servant Aug 2016 #84
It's art about Trump lunatica Aug 2016 #85
Classifying it as art and symbolism does not elevate it above Trump's verbal ridicule loyalsister Aug 2016 #90
K&R! Agreed. nt riderinthestorm Aug 2016 #94
I can't help but chuckle at the micropenis. Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2016 #95
Oh good lord, I'd wish people would stop being easily offended. NuclearDem Aug 2016 #96
I have thicker skin on the nape of my neck and... Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2016 #100
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGHHTHHHHTH Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #138
it's juvenile and stupid, but the market for that among dems is sadly just about TheFrenchRazor Aug 2016 #102
But do Republicans allow Democratic Trolls to post remarks @ their websites? we do! Jeffersons Ghost Aug 2016 #103
yeah, i'm a repub troll... right. no, just an adult. nt TheFrenchRazor Aug 2016 #132
Enjoy your stay. (nt) Paladin Aug 2016 #134
You seem concerned. Please feel free to share more of your concerns and enjoy your stay. Nt msanthrope Aug 2016 #107
Mr Easter misses thebpoint. GeorgeGist Aug 2016 #105
I suspect at its core this is more about "public nudity" morals panic, than anything else. Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #142
Lots of "F*** 'em if they can't take a joke" sentiment... HereSince1628 Aug 2016 #109
"Fuck Em If They Can't Take A Joke" is a prime commandment of my religion, thank you very much. Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #136
I imagine my body would be similar to that statue given my age and extra pounds, Vinca Aug 2016 #114
I think it's childish too. Imagine the outrage if someone did a statue of Hillary. B Calm Aug 2016 #115
Hillary doesn't deserve it, Donald does treestar Aug 2016 #122
Body shaming has always been accepted when the target hughee99 Aug 2016 #120
Cry me a river. joshcryer Aug 2016 #125
Suck it up cupcake! I'm fat too and the tRUMP statue is funny! n/t brewens Aug 2016 #127
This is just too much.....go find some real injustice for your outrage. GumboYaYa Aug 2016 #128
Hollis got a lot of hits to his blog, with this Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #140
No, because the point of the statue isn't "he's fat" Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #135
apparently the net's vanguards of progressive decency WHO ARENT AGAINST NUDITY OR CRUDE HUMOR HONEST Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #144
 

cali

(114,904 posts)
1. It's not the "fat" aspect that bothers me or the missing balls
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 01:25 PM
Aug 2016

and I engaged in laughing at the "project", but it's that I believe that all of us are owed a certain basic recognition of our humanity.

That's a high standard. One I frequently don't live up to. I'm less concerned about the Donald Trumps of the world, the comfortable, than I am about those most vulnerable- from prisoners to the poor.

Ms. Toad

(34,062 posts)
9. Some of the prisoners, and many of the poor are those whose bodies are being used
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 01:42 PM
Aug 2016

to shame Trump.

As to the missing balls, I have a brother-in-law with one missing ball - to cancer. I didn't mention that particular aspect - but just as women with breast cancer often feel disfigured, and less of a woman, because of a mastectomy - the same is true of men who lose testicles to cancer (or for other reasons).

Imagine my brother-in-law witnessing all of the laughter at the (implied) less-of-a-man Trump because he has no testicles. I suspect he wonders if people think the same about him.

ms liberty

(8,572 posts)
116. Yes...
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 08:39 AM
Aug 2016

The thought of having a President who uses all of those ugly facial expressions makes me want to hurl, and is just one of the many reasons to shudder at the thought of the Trumpet in the WH. But you've just ramped up the naisea for me, JG - I had forgotten about Manson's face-making habits. Ugh! I said recently that an ad could be made with all those stupid faces Trumpet makes - just use the Brady Bunch style of multiple faces on one screen (or if you're old enough to remember, the ad where the tag line was "and she told one friend, an so on, and so on" - it used a similar style) to show all his faces at one time. I'd love to see that ad, although I probably would throw up!

Jeffersons Ghost

(15,235 posts)
131. The reality is that Trump and Manson facial expressions are common and uncannily similar
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 01:04 PM
Aug 2016

There are other commonalities:
Both racists advocated violence.
Both sociopaths tricked their followers, repeatedly.
Both criminals ignored the law, when it impaired their plans.
Both monsters sent others to do their dirty work to avoid prosecution.
Both perverts had a sordid sexual past.
These faces, they both still make would induce a police officer to send anyone he saw acting this way in public to a mental institution.

Who wants this to be our next first lady?

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
143. We can still be human if we show our ass.
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 07:19 PM
Aug 2016

And Trump has been showing his ass, metaphorically, all year.

Ms. Toad

(34,062 posts)
14. No. Don't use body or mental characteristics that many share
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 01:46 PM
Aug 2016

to shame Trump, becuase they only effectively shame Trump if you believe the characteristics are negative.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
139. stupid, bigoted and narcissistic are mental characteristics that Trump has
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 06:05 PM
Aug 2016

Please, lets not shame stupid bigoted narcissists.

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
3. The statue is making an allusion to the "Emperor has no Clothes" fable. The plaque
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 01:33 PM
Aug 2016

at the base says "The Emperor has no Balls."

It just so happens that the particular "Emperor" involved -- who has been extremely critical of women's bodies -- has a very imperfect body himself.

I think what people are really laughing about is Trump's hypocrisy and massive ego -- and the allusion to the fable.

Ms. Toad

(34,062 posts)
12. That doesn't change how Hollis Easter (the author of the piece)
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 01:44 PM
Aug 2016

feels about his body being used to shame Trump.

Regardless of the target, or the intent, the reality of displaying Trump with, what is an almost certainly exaggeratedly fat body, is hurtful.

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
39. I don't think the statute exaggerates his fat. Have you seen the photos of him in golf clothes?
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 02:55 PM
Aug 2016

Last edited Sat Aug 20, 2016, 04:03 PM - Edit history (4)

And this is the man who constantly disparages the appearance of women and chortles about how handsome he is. And so much more Presidential than Hillary.

He has also mocked a person at his rally for being "seriously overweight" and suggested he must be on food stamps.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3558470/Trump-raises-Clinton-s-appearance-calls-handsome-asks-Does-Hillary-look-presidential-shouts-No-thousands-college-rally.html#ixzz46wIC3cZE

Donald Trump introduced Hillary Clinton's physical appearance into his presidential campaign for the first time on Monday, asking a rally audience in suburban Philadelphia if she looks 'presidential.'

The move indicates that Trump is looking past the July Republican National Convention to a general election campaign – and that there will be no holds barred if he faces the former secretary of state.

'Do I look like a president? How handsome am I, right? How handsome?' a preening Trump asked nearly 5,000 supporters during a rally at West Chester University. 'Somebody said, "He really does look good, but you know, I don't know if he's presidential".'

'And I'm looking at this stage of people – my competitors,' he pivoted, landing squarely on Clinton.

'Does Hillary look presidential?' he asked. 'No!' came the audience's response.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/25/politics/donald-trump-how-handsome-am-i/

Despite the vitriolic rhetoric, Trump insisted Monday that while he may not yet sound presidential, he certainly looks it.'

And he also appeared to cast doubt on whether Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton has the looks of a president.

"And I'm looking at this stage of people -- my competitors. Does Hillary look presidential?" Trump said after praising his own looks.

Trump then continued, "Was she there at 3 o'clock in the morning to answer the call? No, now and she won't be, she won't be, she won't be there. She doesn't have the strength and she doesn't have the energy to be president, I will tell you."


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/11/18/nine-things-that-happened-during-donald-trumps-visit-to-worcester/?hpid=hp_rhp-more-top-stories_no-name%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&tid=a_inl

One of the outbursts came as Trump questioned the number of Americans on food stamps, a topic he rarely brings up on the campaign trail. As the man who caused it was led away, Trump said: "You know, it's amazing. I mentioned food stamps and that guy who is seriously overweight went crazy. He went crazy... That's an amazing sight."

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
106. Ugh! He's revolting.
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 07:06 AM
Aug 2016

I swear, everything he says is simply projection. He is an ugly, stupid, vulgar individual. The fact that he sees himself as the very opposite is just a testament to his complete insanity.

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
72. His body isn't being used, The artist impression of Trumps' body is.
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 09:13 PM
Aug 2016

That he identifies with that particular body style is coincidental. And if one can't see the particular point of these statues, which isn't fat-shaming, then one needs to check their sensitivity levels and dial it back a bit.
But his point is taken. And valid.

TeeYiYi

(8,028 posts)
104. It's a statue of Donald Trump,...
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 03:11 AM
Aug 2016

...not Hollis Easter. He needs to get over his big, bad self. It's not about him, and his attempt to make it about him reeks of blatant, narcissistic attention seeking and lazy, underdeveloped creative writing skills.

Move on, Hollis. This ain't about you! Next time, seek therapy for your dysmorphic body image issues.

Seriously, did the artist use Hollis Easter as a model for her sculpture? I didn't think so.

TYY

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
137. Fine, but Hollis Easter should understand the difference between his perception & objective reality
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 05:56 PM
Aug 2016

he can control what goes on in and what goes into his own head. Trying to censor the outside world because of his own interpretations of it is a classic error continually committed by censors, bigots, authoritarians, control freaks and fundamentalists.

The Wielding Truth

(11,415 posts)
18. Yes. It's not his shape that is exposed it's his ego. His body just happens to be that way naked.
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 02:02 PM
Aug 2016

So if the author has a similar body, he should know that he is not the one being shamed. It is the self important man who will wear an " amazingly beautiful suit of nothingness" while parading as if he is in splendorous clothing who is being shamed.

I hope the org.poster realizes that their shape is not who they are. And Trump's shape is just his shape. It's because he is such an insulting person, that makes his naked image so laughable and vile at the same time.

If the most despicable person you knew was naked and out in public thinking they were in an amazingly expensive and exclusive outfit, wouldn't it bring a smile to your face even if he or she were well built?

Trump needs to be exposed to those who think he is some how wise and not the money grubbing bigoted fame chasing fool he really is.

Ms. Toad

(34,062 posts)
21. Would you say the same if black individuals complained about
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 02:09 PM
Aug 2016

caricatures of people who just happen to be black that exaggerated stereotypically black features?

When someone in the category being used to shame someone else tells me that being used as a tool to shame someone else, I tend to listen. Even with the best of intentions - or impeccable logic - and the best of intents - execution sometimes has unintended consequences. When it does, responsible adults own up to those consequences, apologize, and strive to avoid the stomp on the foot in the future.

The Wielding Truth

(11,415 posts)
28. Yes. Whenever a dictator or fool is being mocked in this EHNC fashion it is not about you.
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 02:26 PM
Aug 2016

It is about that person and their self importance. I feel the naked body is a vessel only and should not be used as a judgment of one's character. This is a caricature and an outing of his self aggrandizement. It is not about your neighbor or your bother or anyone but him and his foolishness.

Sorry. I will not make this about body shaming. His body is not the point. His unaware nakedness is.

We can see him. We know who he truly is. He thinks we can't. In this statue all of us can. The conman is exposed.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,325 posts)
45. That's the way I see it.
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 03:05 PM
Aug 2016

He's not a "strong man." He's a doughy bully who makes fun of others' appearance. He needs to look in a mirror. His fans need some perspective.

Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
4. I posted the same a few days ago
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 01:34 PM
Aug 2016

It is body shaming. If someone did this to Hillary we would have been horrified.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
10. Trump body-shames every woman he meets.
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 01:42 PM
Aug 2016

He called Rosie O'Donnell a fat pig, talked about Megyn Kelly bleeding out her "whatever", bashed the weight of beauty pageant contestants, body-shamed his employees, wigged out about Hillary using the restroom during a debate, etc. etc. etc.

Payback's a bitch. Give Trump a taste of his own medicine.

Ms. Toad

(34,062 posts)
15. So that makes it OK to use Hollis Easter's body (and that of every other fat person as a weapon
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 01:49 PM
Aug 2016

of shame against Trump?

When we do that, we are doing the same thing to fat people who see us laughing and joking that you accuse Trump of.

Condemn his language, condemn his body-shaming, but you can't poke fun at him being fat without also shaming all people who are fat.

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
43. I don't think the statue is making fun of his fat -- that's realistic. It's making fun of his
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 02:58 PM
Aug 2016

massive ego. And it's making a political point with the "Emperor has no clothes" allusion.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
46. Unless Hollis Easter (whoever the hell that is) was the unwilling model for that statue, then
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 03:10 PM
Aug 2016

Hollis Easter should not concern himself with the representation. It's NOT about "Hollis Easter." Or anyone else.

It's about DONALD TRUMP, who is getting a rich dose of his own medicine.


Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Who knows, maybe Melania likes the statue?

That's an accurate depiction of Trump, minus his rhetorical balls, of course (that's the artistic statement in the piece) and the absence of said balls can't be observed without depicting him naked.

There's other editorial commentary in the piece--Trump boasts about his sexual prowess, but he's given a small dingaling, and he mocks the appearance of others, putting down everyone from Rosie O'Donnell, to Miss Universe, to Chris Christie for being "fat." The artist portrayed him as he looks under those expensive, fat-concealing suits he wears (and he's generous with the amount of hair he gave the wretch).

So let's have a look at the guy who says these insulting things to others, in all HIS glory, shall we?

Would you rather they gave him the body of an underwear model? Just so his feelings aren't hurt, or something?


It's not about "shame." It's more like an object lesson to help Trump understand how HIS words impact others.

This statue tells Trump, in no uncertain terms that the shoe pinches on the other foot. It's holding up a mirror and letting him feel the effects of his OWN words.

I think it's grand. And it's free speech, an American tradition, which can sometimes offend.

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
68. I was about to say to the OP, "Oh, bullshit," till I read your post. OK. I get it now.
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 07:45 PM
Aug 2016

I agree, this isn't good.

Warpy

(111,245 posts)
5. Obviously this person is culturally deprived
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 01:34 PM
Aug 2016

and no one ever told him any subversive childhood stories, the one in this case being "The Emperor has no Clothes."

Had he ever heard that story, he'd know the point of that statue was its prideful nudity, not its shape.

Shame on Hollis for being ignorant and humorless.

Ms. Toad

(34,062 posts)
16. When people with characteristics that are being used to shame others
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 01:55 PM
Aug 2016

tell me they find the "joke" hurtful, I tend to pay attention.

Warpy

(111,245 posts)
20. it was to shame Trump, alone.
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 02:04 PM
Aug 2016

I have no sympathy for folks who are always sniffing for filth and looking for ways to be offended.

Ms. Toad

(34,062 posts)
23. So if - day after day, month after month, I am told by the barage of
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 02:15 PM
Aug 2016

images, commentary, experiences, etc. that tell me - in no uncertain terms - that being fat is despicable and a moral failure, when I comment when people on my side use my body to shame I'm "sniffing for filth and looking for ways to be offended?"

Is the same true of blacks? Women? People with disabilities? when they point out subtle or blatant ways those characteristics are used as a negative?

Warpy

(111,245 posts)
25. Nice straw man. Now go play with him, he's all yours
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 02:18 PM
Aug 2016

This has nothing to do with anything you think you're being told.

Ms. Toad

(34,062 posts)
27. It's not a straw man.
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 02:25 PM
Aug 2016

It is an analagous scenario.

When people who are members of a group about which negative stereotypes abound point out that using those stereotypes to bash anyone also bashes them, people who care about justice, equality, and dignity don't dismiss their concerns out-of-hand.

Chemisse

(30,809 posts)
82. I agree that body shaming is wrong. But the point of the naked Trumps was not body shaming.
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 09:28 PM
Aug 2016

It was to highlight his hypocrisy.

If people are looking at those statues and chortling about his fat, they are missing the point.

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
6. I think the author misses the point.
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 01:36 PM
Aug 2016

The statues are not mocking Trump's fat, they are mocking his nakedness: that he is so obviously an emperor with no clothes, and a cowardly one at that--hence the lack of balls.

If there is anything to criticize about the statute, it is the rather sexist notion of associating testicles --and penis size -- with bravery and strength.

Something like 80% of adult Americans are overweight. And yet most understand this statue is not mocking all of us who could stand to lose a few pounds.

Ms. Toad

(34,062 posts)
19. Have you surveyed those individuals who are overweight?
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 02:03 PM
Aug 2016

And the statue isn't a "few pounds" overweight - it is obese, if not morbidly obese. Shame is a very heavy burden for most people who fall in that category. Whatever the intent of the artist, the reality is that people who are obese are being hurt by people laughing at the exaggeratedly obese Trump.

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
48. Here's some recent pics of Trump golfing. The statue is quite true to his shape.
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 03:21 PM
Aug 2016



I am sorry if that shape shames you. That appears to be an issue you have. It is unfair to attack the artist for depicting Trump's shape accurately. It would be silly and pointless to make a statue of Trump that does not look like Trump. Again, the artist is not mocking fat people. He is riffing on the "Emperor has no clothes" meme.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
64. I guess this guy would "feel" better if the artist put Trump's head on the statue of David, or
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 05:29 PM
Aug 2016

something.

I guess we'll have to go through all the museums and paint over the Reubens! Can't hurt people's feelings by depicting them AS THEY ARE, can we?

usedtobedemgurl

(1,137 posts)
111. Here is a response from someone who is morbidly overweight - me.
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 07:34 AM
Aug 2016

This is about the Emperor not having clothing. It was never meant to criticize his, or my, weight. I understand this because I read the story. I am sorry the author did not or lacks the comprehension to understand it. Trump exaggerates everything, believe me, and this statue is used to expose him for that exaggeration. Everything about the statue is exaggerated. The size of his hands, the belly, the veins, etc.....The fact that he has no balls is a commentary on who Trump is and how his followers see him versus the rest of the world.

This statue, pure and simple, is a statement about Trump the man. I have not heard a single person snicker as they say, "Look how fat he is!!!" And if I did hear this I would try to explain to them the truth behind the statue. thus exposing Trump like the emperor was exposed......so, perhaps the author of this article is doing a performance piece and getting people to talk about this and expose Trump for who he really is just as the fable did to the emperor. But if the author is being real then he obviously did not pay attention in English class and the moral of the fable is totally lost on him.

At any rate, you can see no one in this thread is making fun of the fat. We are all better than that. We have an understanding that transcends what the statue is projecting to others and let's us in on the lesson that Donald has no clothing. This is a commentary more on his followers and what they see versus reality than even Donald's personality. It cuts deep and to the heart of the matter. The message is too important to let people imagining slights to stop the message and get off topic. No, from one fatty who has had eating disorders most of her life, to you, this is not fat shaming and you are totally missing the point of this art.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
7. I don't comment on bashing threads like the nude statue thread
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 01:36 PM
Aug 2016

It's hard to believe adults would think it's funny. Would they laugh if it was Hillary statues. When I heard the story of the trump statues. I thought how immature and childish.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
8. No. Posting picture of the statue isn't the issue.
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 01:38 PM
Aug 2016

It's commenting on the physical appearance as if that was the joke rather than understanding the symbolism of fat and genitalia in an art piece.

Ms. Toad

(34,062 posts)
17. That is a valid intellectual argument - but it doesn't alleviate the actual pain it is causing
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 01:59 PM
Aug 2016

- or the obviously foreseeable reality of how the discussions have evolved.

In pursuit of your argument about the distinction between the two, I encourage you to point out to people who are missing the point that their comments focusing on weight and genetalia are not only missing the point, but hurting others.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
129. I can't control how others react to art
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 12:52 PM
Aug 2016

other than to point out that the features here are symbolic representations and not literal ones.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
11. I'd say Trump's ...ahem... endowment (such as it is) has become a metaphor for his insecurity...
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 01:43 PM
Aug 2016

Last edited Sat Aug 20, 2016, 04:09 PM - Edit history (1)

...the insecurity that feeds his narcissism.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
22. So in order to convey the emperor had no clothes theme
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 02:11 PM
Aug 2016

The artist should have made a naked statue that looks nothing like trump to avoid shaming people with similar body styles?

Sorry going to have to disagree with the authors victimhood on this one.

Ms. Toad

(34,062 posts)
26. Does Trump actually have no testicles & a small penis?
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 02:21 PM
Aug 2016

Is he actually obese, bordering on morbidly obese?

The answer is "no" to at least the latter, and likely all 3. So the statute's face - and hair looks like him, but the rest is a caricature that uses obesity and disfiguration to prove a point. (As to the lack of testicles, as another poster pointed out, if that was the point - it equates a gendered physical trait with character traits that presumably people without testicles don't possess, a sexist point in the first place.)

So the issue is less that the statue looks like Trump, but that it doesn't in the respects that are being used as points of shame. Which kind of proves my point: Those physical characteristics - not even possessed by Trump - are being used as negative characteristics, and hurting those who share them.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
31. Sorry but no
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 02:29 PM
Aug 2016

You are free to get your outrage on if you like. I am going to pass.

When you want to start sanitizing art you have traveled way too far down the SJW path for me.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
50. Couldn't have said it better myself.
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 04:08 PM
Aug 2016

When we all go SJW, and all that comes from our side of the aisle is scolding, don't wonder why we don't get support.

I'm all for ridicule, and for making people laugh, to get political points across. Much more fun that way. And doubly so if the fun is at Donald Trump's expense.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
66. That's his shape to a T--not hidden by a thousand dollar (or more) suit.
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 05:39 PM
Aug 2016

Look at the golf pics shown elsewhere in this thread.

If anything the artist was KIND in terms of his girth. AND his hair--which is a weave, a "hair system" and it's not that thick or luxuriant.

A good suit hides a multitude of sins. Men have it easier than women in that regard--there's a reason that men's fashion has not changed very much in well over a century. Once you've figured out what works it behooves one to stick with it.

The point you miss is that people who have negative characteristics--physical or otherwise -- shouldn't mock others for the deficiencies which they, themselves, possess. THAT is the lesson of these statues. They call out Trump by putting him in the same circumstances (physically, rather than with cutting words) that he used to mock Rosie O'Donnell, John McCain, etc.

Trump likes to call people "weak" and "losers" -- and the shorthand term for that is illustrated by the absence of gonads. He likes to call people fat and ugly--and here he is, in all HIS glory.

He's being hoisted on his OWN petard. This has nothing to do with anyone else but Trump. It's brilliant.

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
70. I have only his short fingers to go by in order to judge his genitalia
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 08:45 PM
Aug 2016

.....but, to your other questions YES the short fingered vulgarian is obese and I would assume he is morbidly obese.

An individual is considered morbidly obese if he or she is 100 pounds over his/her ideal body weight, has a BMI of 40 or more, or 35 or more and experiencing obesity-related health conditions, such as high blood pressure or diabetes.


It looks like a fairly accurate depiction of the (wanna-be) "emperor" and "new clothes"

This artistic protest was wonderful

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
130. Obesity has a long history as a mark of wealth and privilege; that's why this exaggeration is used
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 01:03 PM
Aug 2016

Fat-shaming it ain't, although I can understand why people who have been body-shamed would be uncomfortable and hurt if they viewed this artistic expression as such. The genitalia references do call on a shaming meme because the size and presence of male genitalia have long been used as a proxy for strength in many cultures. Here however it is in line with the Emperor's new clothes reference.

While I appreciated the author's POV I see no evidence that the art is making a statement of shaming anyone but the Emperor Trump.

Mz Pip

(27,439 posts)
32. Some people don't understand metaphors
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 02:31 PM
Aug 2016

This isn't about shaming overweight people. It's not about them besides no one gets to go through life never being offended.

And artists shouldn't have to second guess their political art just because someone somewhere might make some huge leap and get offended.

madamesilverspurs

(15,800 posts)
30. In truth, I share the statue's body style.
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 02:27 PM
Aug 2016

Also in truth, I laughed when I saw it. Instead of seeing his body shape (or mine) mocked, I saw a mirror held up for his perusal. It lets him see what others feel every time he levels another demeaning insult. As for his diminutive or missing parts, he himself brought those into the conversation.

There are many times when I have taken very vocal exception to fat shaming, this is not one of them.



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Hekate

(90,645 posts)
57. +1. Stripped of his yuugely expensive tailored suits, he is just an elderly man....
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 04:23 PM
Aug 2016

....out of shape and no better than the rest of humanity. The rest of it references his very own despicable behavior and words.

Vilis Veritas

(2,405 posts)
33. Isn't this protected form of free speech?
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 02:32 PM
Aug 2016

Or if someone thinks that a piece of satirical art is offensive, we can now start censoring that art?

I'm all for people not being shamed in public and would side with the author if HE was shamed without cause, but this is art and political satire and drumpf earned it.

Slippery slope... Don't trip.



backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
52. Well, they were taken down...
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 04:17 PM
Aug 2016

...as the New York Parks department put it, "NYC Parks stands firmly against any unpermitted erection in city parks, no matter how small.”

I do hope the artist made an extra copy, for more permanent display somewhere, since it didn't take long for the kamikaze Trumps to be taken down.

Ms. Toad

(34,062 posts)
65. Free speech is a legal concept that applies to governmental action,
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 05:36 PM
Aug 2016

Last I checked none of DU, Hollis Easter, nor I were state actors.

There is a difference between condemning something as morally problematic and making it illegal. One is a free speech issue. The other is not.

Vilis Veritas

(2,405 posts)
89. Moral condemnation is the top of the slope that leads to censorship.
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 12:31 AM
Aug 2016

Throughout history censorship has been used to control the moral and political views of the people governerd. It always starts when someone's moral standards are valued more highly than those exercising their rights to speak freely.

I appreciate the viewpoint and the right to express it, I just don't feel as if one persons moral outrage outweighs another's right to express their art.

Peace

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
99. Exploiting a loophole that technically allows you to shut down speech
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 02:19 AM
Aug 2016

is not really in keeping with the spirit of freedom of speech.

If you're getting to the point where you have to say something along the lines of "well, it's not technically censorship because..." you may want to reconsider your position.

Paladin

(28,252 posts)
34. Yet another effort to make liberals play by rules that right-wingers discarded, decades ago.
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 02:38 PM
Aug 2016

How many of you, when you saw one of those statues of Trump, thought "Oh, Christ. This is going to hurt Hollis Easter's feelings"? Those statues are a relentlessly effective weapon against Trump's massive narcissism. Those statues are a sharp counterpunch against every demeaning comment Trump has ever uttered in public about female attractiveness. Those statues have my full approval.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
47. A-fucking-men.
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 03:10 PM
Aug 2016

I have little patience for sanctimonious scolding. It's targeted at Trump, not every person with a beer gut.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
35. Trump has made a living "shaming" people for their appearance.
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 02:47 PM
Aug 2016

Now he gets a dose of his own medicine. There's nothing "better than that." He is getting what he deserves.

I don't have a problem with that, and it has nothing to do with anyone else--it has everything to do with Trump.

There he is, in all his glory, a fairly accurate representation....only he doesn't have quite that much hair.


If the shoe doesn't fit, don't wear it. This is about telling a person, with a visual representation, what it feels like to do what he does on a regular basis. The shoe pinches on the other foot.

I think the statues are superb, and probably the only way anyone could get through to him. He doesn't pay attention UNLESS it's "all about him.

I wonder if Melania isn't making compare and contrast comparisons....?

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,674 posts)
49. I kind of get where Hollis Easter is coming from.
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 03:41 PM
Aug 2016

Nobody would want to see a naked statue of me, either. Or, for that matter, of most people. What these statues are doing, though, is not fat-shaming Trump, but shaming him for his narcissism and total lack of self-awareness. The reality is that a majority of Americans are overweight, at least to some extent. An awful lot of guys his age look like that, naked - the paunch, the saggy butt - and isn't that the point? Trump isn't some Adonis. He isn't special. He's just another overweight older guy with a big gut and a flabby ass. He went so far as to brag about the size of his dick, and the statue says, well, maybe not. I realize that it's arguably sexist to equate male genitalia with strength and courage, but Trump and his ilk do that all the time. Trump brags about what a stud he is. The statue says, no you're not, you're a flabby old guy like a million other flabby old guys, and you're not a stud, either.

The point is that this emperor really has no clothes. That folk tale is probably the best analogy for the Trump campaign - he says he's wonderful; his campaign says he's wonderful; his supporters believe it, and even continue to believe it when the truth about his "empire" comes out. Sorry, folks; he's naked, and naked he looks like everybody else.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
51. The trouble here is that Donald
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 04:09 PM
Aug 2016

He deserves it. He insults others and probably has about their bodies, even a disabled guy.

It's not using anyone's body. Only Donald's.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
69. Nobody deserves to be shamed for their body type
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 07:55 PM
Aug 2016

Not even someone who does it to others.

If we justify this type of behavior for whatever reason, then it's hard to simultaneously claim that behavior is categorically wrong.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
71. I don't know
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 09:02 PM
Aug 2016

I mean, Donald does it to others, and not doing it to him seems to be letting him get away with it. He would be a hypocrite to complain.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
87. He should not get away with it. He should be called out for it.
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 10:38 PM
Aug 2016

That's pretty much exactly the strategy HRC is and should be employing. When there are those on the left doing the same thing to him it undermines that effort.

Going beyond Trump I just don't think there's a valid reason to fat shame anyone. I don't go along with it when people do it to Limbaugh either. At some level it just seems to legitimize that behavior.

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
91. You know, a principle is a principle only if it applies universally.
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 01:12 AM
Aug 2016

Principle: "It's wrong to body shame."

There doesn't seem to be a "unless the person body shames others" exception to the principle. That 'but he did it first, so that makes him fair game' line of reasoning is something that most folks leave behind in about elementary school, from an ethical development standpoint.

Being an ethical adult necessarily involves setting aside childish thinking.



usedtobedemgurl

(1,137 posts)
112. This is not body shaming....
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 07:55 AM
Aug 2016

Find my other post in this thread. I am dreadfully overweight to a point my doctor said I have 5-10 years to live if nothing changes and I do not think this is body shaming and nor do I think it was a commentary, at all, on his body. It was done to reflect the story and how Donald acts and what he says. I am not even referring to what he says about others. I mean what he says about himself. How thin skinned he is (veins showing in the statue), how he brought size into but he has lied a lot (thus his small penis), how he has not produced his tax returns (no balls to show his financials) and how his admirers see him (in glorious clothing) versus how the rest of us see him (his personality naked and exposed for how ugly (again, his personality, not body) he really is. The nakedness of the statue is him being exposed (everyone feels that way when they are naked) and we know what we are actually seeing about him - all of his bad character traits.

It has nothing to do with being an ethical adult. This has nothing to do with the actual body of the statue and was never meant to make fun of what he looks like. In the Emperor's New Clothes he, too, is naked but it never was a message about the ruler's body. It was a message about fools going along for the ride and pretending things are there that actually were not. Part of being an ethical adult is admitting when there is more there than you originally thought while you talked down to other adults.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
113. You know, people will vary in their opinion
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 08:03 AM
Aug 2016

It doesn't bother you, it does bother others. You think it's excused because it's a joke, a funny put-down of a political opponent.
But that's not shared by all.

In your mind it isn't about ethics, for others it is.

We all vary, and the line between edgy wicked cleverness and the inside of Pandora's box is not clearly defined.

Personally I don't want to see light-bulb shaped yard signs representing an ass sticking up in the air, with text saying 'Not HRC'

usedtobedemgurl

(1,137 posts)
117. Well others would be wrong....
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 08:43 AM
Aug 2016

It is about the emperor being exposed. The ones who think it is about ethics just don't get it. And even the author does not say it is about ethics, he says it is about body shaming when it clearly is not.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
121. Is that statue really body shaming him?
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 09:29 AM
Aug 2016

Why are we assuming that for him? It is even likely he does not care. Men think their bodies are just fine the way they are. We are assuming he is sensitive about his body. I bet you he isn't. He has the supermodel wives. He's rich. He thinks he is just fine, believe me.

Oneironaut

(5,492 posts)
53. I hate the almost sterile-type world SJW want.
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 04:18 PM
Aug 2016

'No humor, no fun, we all must be serious at all times, for offending anybody is the worst thing you can ever do. Let's make the world a giant safe-space where there's forced agreement among everybody. Be very very careful of what you say, or we'll get you fired and send the internet mob after you.'

I'm really tired of it. These types aren't helping. They make a mockery of Liberals and Millenials (I am both). They make us look like soft, pipe-dreaming cowards who have all of the sense of humor of an angry Librarian who thinks the entire world should follow the rules of the library (oops! I offended Librarians. Guess I'm going to be witch-hunted now...).

Have these people ever heard of a caricature? I feel like these SJW would threaten to dox and ruin the life of a street artist because "people with big noses and abnormally large chins are people too!!!" Why bother? Can't win against uptight do-gooders who have taken social justice to laughable extremes.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
56. Exactly. Shrieking and scolding gets us nowhere.
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 04:23 PM
Aug 2016

What gets the better reaction for us progressives?

This?

or this?

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
93. Wait, weren't you the one arguing (vociferously) that language changes? (re: Princeton)
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 01:16 AM
Aug 2016

Does it hurt when you talk out of both sides of your mouth like that?

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
98. No, it's not.
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 02:12 AM
Aug 2016

It's a term used to describe the perpetually-offended, emotionally-immature complainers who have taken it upon themselves to be offended on behalf of others who haven't asked them.

Actual liberals who see these kinds of people forming "safe spaces" on campuses, bullying reporters, and shutting down any criticism of Islam as "racist" are rightly disgusted because, unlike SJWs, we value freedom of speech, open debate, freedom of the press, and the ability to criticize ideologies that run contrary to these principles.

RandiFan1290

(6,229 posts)
110. Yes, it is!
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 07:33 AM
Aug 2016

Interesting to see the trolls try to defend it.

I remember it was used by the LGF site and Protest Warriors when DU started

Thanks for calling them out!

MFM008

(19,805 posts)
54. Look I'm overweight
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 04:21 PM
Aug 2016

But this is about Rump lack of balls and tiny penis and thin skin.
I never even noticed the fat...
Actually the flat spongy butt was more disturbing.....

Hekate

(90,645 posts)
60. When someone says, "He stands naked before God," it means stripped of all worldly vanity & illusion
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 04:44 PM
Aug 2016

It means everything you pretend to be is stripped away, and if you have anything to feel ashamed of, it's not your body, it's your soul.

Likewise, when Hans Christian Anderson wrote the story about The Emperor's New Clothes, he was playing a riff on this theme. Only a child, pure of heart and pure of intent, was able to blurt out the (ahem) naked truth.

Not everything is what it seems. Not everything is about "issues."

matt819

(10,749 posts)
61. No it isn't
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 04:45 PM
Aug 2016

Although every month I ask my barber to make me handsome, we both know that that's not likely - or possible. Don't have the features, don't have the look. And, sure, it may have something to do with the fact that I can lose 40 or 50 pounds, and slim fit clothing is in my distant youth.

But I take no offense from the Trump statue stunt. I think it was a riot. And the response from NYC was brilliant. (And, no, it wasn't directed at men with small penises. Just at Trump, who may or may not have a small penis, though some people say. . . ) It wasn't directed at weight-challenged people. It wasn't directed at eunuchs. It was directed at one man, and, yes, the goal was to humiliate him. Why don't we take this for what it was and not make it something it wasn't.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
81. Thank you. I agree.
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 09:28 PM
Aug 2016

His words are quite enough to shame him. If he had any.

Judge people by their actions. Period.

liberal N proud

(60,334 posts)
83. Completely missing the point! It is not about the fat
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 09:34 PM
Aug 2016

Yes Trump is fat, but he is a fat cat and the author completely misses the reason those statues are so profound. They represent the emperor (Trump) has no clothes fable.

They miss what the statues represent. The way some blindly support him, the hate that he embodies, the fact that he IS the Republican Party.

Proud Public Servant

(2,097 posts)
84. Next up: we can no longer make fun of the GOP for being ignorant
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 10:04 PM
Aug 2016

Because lots of ordinary people are ignorant, and they're special snowflakes too.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
85. It's art about Trump
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 10:13 PM
Aug 2016

Anyone who takes it personally is being silly. The statue is about Trump. No one else. Get over yourself.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
90. Classifying it as art and symbolism does not elevate it above Trump's verbal ridicule
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 01:09 AM
Aug 2016


To not recognize crude insensitivity when it is directed at Trump is the flip side of the outrage expressed because republicans are unwilling to hold their office holders accountable, "why is Anthony Weiner criticized more than David Vitter?"

Aside from that, it is just plain juvenile.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
95. I can't help but chuckle at the micropenis.
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 01:23 AM
Aug 2016

Is that a case of me using "microaggression" against someone?

It's mostly funny to me because Trump tried to assure everyone, implicitly, that he had a large penis in a GOP debate. Good grief.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
96. Oh good lord, I'd wish people would stop being easily offended.
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 02:03 AM
Aug 2016

I'd say get some thicker skin, but that'd probably offend them too.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
100. I have thicker skin on the nape of my neck and...
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 02:21 AM
Aug 2016

... a few other places from a genetic condition called PXE! How dare you!!


Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
138. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGHHTHHHHTH
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 05:59 PM
Aug 2016

STOP TELLING ME TO STOP BEING EASILY OFFENDED




IT OFFENDS ME

 

TheFrenchRazor

(2,116 posts)
102. it's juvenile and stupid, but the market for that among dems is sadly just about
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 02:24 AM
Aug 2016

as great as it is among republicans.

Jeffersons Ghost

(15,235 posts)
103. But do Republicans allow Democratic Trolls to post remarks @ their websites? we do!
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 02:35 AM
Aug 2016

There is PLENTY of proof that Democratic Underground allows Chinese agents, Trump-trolls and paid D.N.C. operatives to post at D.U. on this thread!

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
142. I suspect at its core this is more about "public nudity" morals panic, than anything else.
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 07:08 PM
Aug 2016

This dude wouldn't last 5 minutes on the West Coast, what with our naked bike rides and all.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
109. Lots of "F*** 'em if they can't take a joke" sentiment...
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 07:30 AM
Aug 2016

Most definitions of liberal include as a defining character, tolerance. And by that 'tolerance' was usually meant with respect to tolerating aspects of life that challenge establishment expectations... challenging racial, gender, religious bias, and social deviance to cultural normality.

Anyone who listens to icons of liberal broadcast, say Racheal Maddow or Stephanie Miller, pretty quickly realize that the 'get out of jail free' card to what for many boomers with 'liberal' sentiments is offensive is to say 'it was just a joke.' And honestly, 'F'-em if they can't take a joke, has been a foil against criticism for a very long time.

It seems that when sensitivity to others went mainstream, it became an establishment expectation, it was named and rejected as 'political correctness'. PC came to be seen as an iconic intolerance and a handicap to denunciation of political and other 'opponents'.

I'm not sure if there has been any progress, but it certainly has put a challenge back in being tolerant.

I'm not sure Democrats are really ready for similar statues for our candidate, which sort of brings us around to a long standing measure of appropriate behavior... don't do to others what you don't want done to yourself.

While the statue makers may not give a crap about naked sculpture those sentiments are not universal and many people wouldn't want done to themselves what was done to Trump's image. IMO, to understand that is to move toward understanding of Hollis Easter's comments







Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
136. "Fuck Em If They Can't Take A Joke" is a prime commandment of my religion, thank you very much.
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 05:53 PM
Aug 2016

You are engaging in bigoted hate speech by mocking one of the principal tenets of my faith.

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/J._R._%22Bob%22_Dobbs

Vinca

(50,261 posts)
114. I imagine my body would be similar to that statue given my age and extra pounds,
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 08:13 AM
Aug 2016

but I think the statues are a riot. I love them. IMHO, it's true art and kudos to Angel. Cellulite, flab and all, that's what many of us look like at 70. I can't think of anything that has probably horrified "The Donald" more in this campaign season - they must be putting him in handcuffs to keep him from tweeting about it - and I'd love to see them travel from city to city. If you feel personally offended by the statues because you think they're shaming you, you are comedically-challenged. I feel sorry for you.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
122. Hillary doesn't deserve it, Donald does
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 10:03 AM
Aug 2016

It would also be a different issue when it is a woman. Men aren't judged on their bodies the same way. Donald probably thinks he looks just great naked.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
120. Body shaming has always been accepted when the target
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 09:10 AM
Aug 2016

Is a republican. Why would Trump be any different?

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
135. No, because the point of the statue isn't "he's fat"
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 05:51 PM
Aug 2016

I mean, I suppose you could argue that it's shaming testicle-less middle aged dudes with tiny dicks, but the fact is the point of the statue is to illustrate the fact that his ego and ugliness- not physical, but mental- is shamelessly on display for all to see- The Emperor has no clothes; there's no "there" there.

But art and the interpretation thereof is subjective. I realize some people think that they need to censor the entire universe to suit their own particular perceptions (rinse.repeat) , but they have things backwards. That's not how things work.

In other news, the artist who painted a naked Trump picture, got violently attacked over it:

http://occupydemocrats.com/2016/05/04/woman-painted-naked-trump-just-got-violently-attacked-deranged-fans-2/

So, to this blogger, using your own logic: When you promote pro-censorship attitudes such as you are espousing, this is what you are endorsing.


Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
144. apparently the net's vanguards of progressive decency WHO ARENT AGAINST NUDITY OR CRUDE HUMOR HONEST
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 07:23 PM
Aug 2016

and who all seem to hail from Churchy backgrounds but HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH OLD-FASHIONED ANTI-SEX RELIGIOUS RIGHT ATTITUDES HONEST even though their views line up with them on a regular basis

are all fussin' and fumin' and fulminating' an pulpit-thumpin' (IT IS NOT A PULPIT HONEST) against these things in a universal outpouring of righteous indignation, today.


What a coincidence.

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