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Street population soars despite San Diego's increased homeless spending (Original Post) worstexever Aug 2016 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author kestrel91316 Aug 2016 #1
The linked article is well worth the read, although the headline may be a sly KingCharlemagne Aug 2016 #2
Homelessness ought to be an entirely federal issue. hunter Aug 2016 #3
State issue. nt clarice Aug 2016 #6
It's neither maxsolomon Aug 2016 #8
good point.nt clarice Aug 2016 #9
This is true worstexever Aug 2016 #11
No, not at all. hunter Aug 2016 #10
that's outside of my point maxsolomon Aug 2016 #13
You're right, the headline should have been tweaked worstexever Aug 2016 #4
the ways to fall through the cracks have become more numerous maxsolomon Aug 2016 #14
Money used to be spent for mental health care in this country. Scruffy Rumbler Aug 2016 #5
Reagan was governor of California between 1967 and 1975 worstexever Aug 2016 #7
If you have to be homeless Egnever Aug 2016 #12

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KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
2. The linked article is well worth the read, although the headline may be a sly
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 02:49 PM
Aug 2016

bit of Reagan-esque propaganda (suggesting that increased spending on the homeless somehow 'caused' the increase in the homeless population), when the reality as presented in the article is EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE, i.e., homelessness increased DESPITE increased funding for homeless services.

hunter

(38,310 posts)
3. Homelessness ought to be an entirely federal issue.
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 03:08 PM
Aug 2016

It's no big surprise that homeless people move to cities where the weather isn't going to kill them and the dumpsters are full of food.

maxsolomon

(33,298 posts)
8. It's neither
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 04:18 PM
Aug 2016

The Cities get the brunt of the impact. If you increase funding, you become a magnet of sorts - more services, more tolerance.

worstexever

(265 posts)
11. This is true
Tue Aug 23, 2016, 12:57 AM
Aug 2016

But although Utah has all sorts of services for the homeless, my daughter did not want to migrate to Salt Lake city ( for some reason)...

hunter

(38,310 posts)
10. No, not at all.
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 05:03 PM
Aug 2016

There are plenty of homeless people in California who are escaping various hells in their home states, places where people worship cruel and capricious gods and torture or exile their own children, LGBT people, mentally ill people, substance abusers... it's a long list.






maxsolomon

(33,298 posts)
13. that's outside of my point
Tue Aug 23, 2016, 05:13 PM
Aug 2016

my point is that cities bear the brunt of the cost of this crisis, and also the societal impact.

and you are correct, this is also a crisis of migration - and therefore the feds should pay the cities. but since the GOP holds the pursestrings hostage, there will be no help forthcoming.

the homeless are leaving Red states and travelling to the Blue. they like this, because 1. out of sight of their constituents, out of mind, and 2. it gives them the opportunity to accuse liberals of laziness, coddling, etc.

worstexever

(265 posts)
4. You're right, the headline should have been tweaked
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 03:22 PM
Aug 2016

I have a mentally ill family member who has been homeless off and on for half her life (mostly on). I guess my question is, has mental illness become worse or more widespread and, if so, why is that? Is it environmental?

maxsolomon

(33,298 posts)
14. the ways to fall through the cracks have become more numerous
Tue Aug 23, 2016, 05:16 PM
Aug 2016

once you lose housing, the hurdle to get back in is insurmountable for the homeless, mentally ill or not: 1st & last month's rent, fees, credit checks, background checks, etc.

there are not more mentally ill people as a % of the population, but there are probably more overall because the population grows.

Scruffy Rumbler

(961 posts)
5. Money used to be spent for mental health care in this country.
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 03:40 PM
Aug 2016

But Reagan killed that.

What is your point?

Why are you picking on the people trying to deal with mental and physical health issues?

Did you know many are disabled and cannot access the public health system?

Have you ever been homeless or near homeless?

It is not a vacation.

worstexever

(265 posts)
7. Reagan was governor of California between 1967 and 1975
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 04:11 PM
Aug 2016

He was president between 1981 and 1989. It has been 27 years since he left office. Nevertheless, deinstitutionalization was a policy set in motion by the Community Mental Health Act as a part of John F. Kennedy's legislation and passed by the U.S. Congress in 1963. I find it hard to believe that in the past 53 years we have not been able to come up with a better plan.

I am not picking on anyone. I have a mentally ill daughter about whom I worry every single day. She is schizophrenic, bipolar and likely suffers from PTSD. She can and does often get SSI and can get access to medical treatment; however, she does not like the side effects of antipsychotic or psychotropic drugs and will not take them unless forced to.

It seems there are a lot people in society joining her ranks, though, and I wonder why that is?

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
12. If you have to be homeless
Tue Aug 23, 2016, 01:18 AM
Aug 2016

San Diego is a pretty decent place for it. The whole west coast of California is pretty good for that matter. Most places you won't freeze or die from heat exhaustion. The residents, for the most part, are non-aggressive and there are a lot of cast off food items that also survive in the weather fairly well.

I would certainly rather be homeless there than in Utah where the winter can easily kill you.

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