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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIf Trump wins will government of the masses be proven a failure?
There's a lot of talk, and hand-wringing, on both sides of the "elitist" attitude of many Liberal minded people. And I would never advocate that we don't allow(if not enforce) that every eligible citizen vote. However, my basis for this is purely idealistic.
If, by some chance, Trump wins the presidency, would it not truly be a sign that the uneducated masses are simply not fit to make decisions on who or how their government should be run?
A successful democracy would require that all citizens would be educated to a proper degree, so they can not only make informed decisions, but have the critical thinking skills to make a quality decision.
Suggesting an education barrier to entry is a non-starter. Enforcing that education is a non-starter as well, because education is one of the very issues that our population has repeatedly proven to de-fund via voting practices.
radical noodle
(8,000 posts)WestCoastLib
(442 posts)We can't count on the media to educate the population, or even to act fairly, due to the fact that (again) these are the types of issues that need to be decided by a government. If we are to bring back the fairness doctrine, or enact some legislation that would make for a climate of real journalism again, in an age when real journalism is practically unable to financially survive, it will require government intervention.
In other words, the media is also a symptom of the problem of bad voting choices. The voting population being better educated, and making better choices, is a prerequisite to the media returning to form. It won't happen first.
ileus
(15,396 posts)Why do they need to think when we can do that for them...we after all know best.
WestCoastLib
(442 posts)we after all know best.
If Trump wins, this statement is clearly true. Again, it's simply idealism to suggest otherwise in this case.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)That said, Republicans are to blame for the sad state of education in this country.
I watched a report about online schools (they're classified as charter schools). The kids enrolled have terrible attendance yet the 'school' reports them as attending so they can get funding. If we grow dumb kids we get a dumb electorate.
WestCoastLib
(442 posts)If we grow dumb kids we get a dumb electorate.
And what happens when the electorate is too dumb to intelligently vote?
And what happens when the electorate voting intelligently is required in order to turn around the education system that is making them dumb?
Avalux
(35,015 posts)That's how it's happened throughout history.
WestCoastLib
(442 posts)We've come full circle back to my point.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)We're on the edge though. We've got to make significant changes and educate our children about human nature, our planet, our history, and how our government works or there will be another Trump. Maybe his equally craven daughter in 10 years or so.
Maybe it is inevitable, based on history, that democratic societies cannot be sustained. Eventually the assholes figure out how to dominate everyone else.
WestCoastLib
(442 posts)In those games where you have say $10,000 to split between a few people. You can decide to split it evenly, or try to take it all for yourself, but you are blind to the decision that the other people make.
If everyone agrees to split it, everyone gets an equal share. If one person decides to try to take it, and everyone else agrees to split it, that person takes it all. If more than one person decide to take it, everyone loses everything.
For an analogy, for a democracy to be successful, everyone needs to agree to split it. We have too many people that will be that guy who decides to take it. Sometimes they succeed and get everything, sometimes they just ruin it for everyone else, but either way the majority get screwed.
Based on seeing this game play out many times, it may just be human nature that more times than is good for us there will be at least one person to be the troll.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)Was it not? They did not trust the will of the people. Nor should they, the masses can be easily swayed. Electoral college changes over the years morphed it into something that no longer really has a whole lot of teeth but in it's original form the popular vote really did not mean much.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)Think about the neoconservative murderers he is ticking off. Recipe for disaster.