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sarisataka

(18,498 posts)
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 06:10 PM Aug 2016

Supporting Republican candidates

First, I am well aware of the TOS.

However I have seen some posts stating that some specific issues are worth supporting Republican if they agree with Democrats on those issues. I vehemently oppose single issue voting but always allow that I may not know all of the answers.

To DU members in general,

Is there one, or more, single issue(s) which warrant supporting a Republican over a typical Democratic candidate.

{To be clear, I am referring to an otherwise average Democratic candidate. Not splitting hairs over a DINO or off the charts left-wing candidate.}


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Yes- abortion
0 (0%)
Yes- climate change
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Yes- economy
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Yes- guns
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Yes- healthcare
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Yes- inequality
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Yes-jobs
0 (0%)
Yes- other
0 (0%)
No, having a Republican ally on one issue is outweighed by losses on all other issues
2 (25%)
Oh, hell NO
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Supporting Republican candidates (Original Post) sarisataka Aug 2016 OP
Oh hell no is not strong enough. MADem Aug 2016 #1
I'm using a work computer sarisataka Aug 2016 #2
LOL!!!!!!! nt MADem Aug 2016 #7
If HYPOTHETICALLY there were a Repub more progressive on climate than yes, but in reality WHO??? nt cloudythescribbler Aug 2016 #3
I don't know of any Republican sarisataka Aug 2016 #4
Other: meaning more than one issue Zing Zing Zingbah Aug 2016 #5
Post removed Post removed Aug 2016 #6
"some specific issues are worth supporting Republican".... what does that even mean? Nye Bevan Aug 2016 #8
I don't wish to influence sarisataka Aug 2016 #9
It means that if you are a woman in the State of Texas .... etherealtruth Aug 2016 #13
Has a pro-choice Republican ever ran against an anti-choice Democrat in Texas? Nye Bevan Aug 2016 #14
That is irrelevant to the discussion ("has a pro-choice ....") etherealtruth Aug 2016 #15
I asked for a real-life example and that's the one you gave. Nye Bevan Aug 2016 #19
Here is the text of the post i responded too etherealtruth Aug 2016 #21
Absolutely. The first vote I ever cast was for a Republican, and I still stand by it. DFW Aug 2016 #10
Rizzo was as corrupt as they come G_j Aug 2016 #16
That is why I am not ashamed of voting for his opponent DFW Aug 2016 #18
If a Republican were more progressive on gun control, civil rights .... etherealtruth Aug 2016 #11
That is one illustrative example. sarisataka Aug 2016 #20
Well considering you can see the usernames and their votes Calculating Aug 2016 #12
Post removed Post removed Aug 2016 #17

sarisataka

(18,498 posts)
4. I don't know of any Republican
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 08:07 PM
Aug 2016

Who is truly Progressive on climate change. Even if there were, speaking for myself that would not sway my vote.

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
5. Other: meaning more than one issue
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 09:06 PM
Aug 2016

If the repub and dem are about the same, I might go with the repub if they have more experience... if they are an incumbent that has proven themselves worthy of the position they hold. I have voted for Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins before. The only other occasion I have ever voted for a repub is when they are running unopposed.

Response to sarisataka (Original post)

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
8. "some specific issues are worth supporting Republican".... what does that even mean?
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 12:08 AM
Aug 2016

Can you give an example of the kind of post you are referring to? Supporting a Republican over a Democrat is never permitted on DU and I would expect that such a post would be hidden very swiftly.

sarisataka

(18,498 posts)
9. I don't wish to influence
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 10:59 AM
Aug 2016

The poll by any one issue. That is why I chose some of the main Democratic issues.

Here is one edited quote I am speaking of.

...it's about (*single issue*). Yeah, some of the positions taken by these candidates (*Republicans*) aren't great, but if the (*single issue*) it's worth it.

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
13. It means that if you are a woman in the State of Texas ....
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 12:34 PM
Aug 2016

.... where access to abortion has been so severely eroded, in many areas the ability to receive a safe medical abortion is (almost) impossible and further restrictions are an ever present threat ..... when confronted with a pro-choice Republican and an anti abortion democrat one may be compelled (out of self preservation) to vote for the pro-choice candidate.

I would never vote to hide a post where a DUer was confronted with such a situation .... from your subject line .... "some specific issues are worth supporting Republican".

There are some very nuanced situations .... I firmly believe the owners of this site understand nuance and have a very good grasp of the idea that there are far more shades of grey than there are black and white

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
14. Has a pro-choice Republican ever ran against an anti-choice Democrat in Texas?
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 12:39 PM
Aug 2016

I certainly see that this could be a dilemma, but has this ever happened? It's hard to imagine a pro-choice Republican ever winning the primary there.

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
15. That is irrelevant to the discussion ("has a pro-choice ....")
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 12:49 PM
Aug 2016

It is a scenario (the issue isn't specific) where one may be confronted with an issue so extreme or so important (overwhelming relevant in ones life) where difficult choices must be made. There needs to be an understanding when people feel their choice is the only choice for their self preservation.


As an aside .... google pro-choice republicans in Texas ...astonishingly there are some (R) politicians in the few progressive areas

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
19. I asked for a real-life example and that's the one you gave.
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 01:09 PM
Aug 2016

It seems that this is a very hypothetical discussion as in the entire thread nobody has come up with a specific example.

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
21. Here is the text of the post i responded too
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 01:27 PM
Aug 2016
"some specific issues are worth supporting Republican".... what does that even mean?

Can you give an example of the kind of post you are referring to? Supporting a Republican over a Democrat is never permitted on DU and I would expect that such a post would be hidden very swiftly.


I can't find the "real life" in your post???

I gave an example of a type of post on DU i would NOT vote to hide. The sentiment is universal. You can inject any subject and any state or locality. The idea and the consistency of the idea is what is important to me and the discussion.

Say a post in a thread related to Gabby Giffords support of a Republicans holding a position she values over all others, was alerted on because they understood and supported Giffords value on this issue (equating it with the importance of choice, civil rights etc) and felt the overwhelming relevance of the issue in their own life .... hypothetically if the post was alerted on I would vote to LEAVE and indicate the alert was made in bad faith.

Its the same as in my Texas / abortion example ... its nuanced and the idea of being consistent and ethical is the same.

Again, do a search of pro-choice republicans in Texas you will be amazed to find my example is NOT far fetched .

My expectation is that "Sandy Hook" parents (and anyone else horrifically impacted by the proliferation of a gun culture and violence) may choose Gun Control as their most important and defining issue ... transcending party affiliation.



DFW

(54,302 posts)
10. Absolutely. The first vote I ever cast was for a Republican, and I still stand by it.
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 11:17 AM
Aug 2016

The voting age had been reduced to 18 from 21 while I was 19. I was a sophomore in college in Philadelphia in 1971, and the corrupt chief of police, Frank Rizzo, was running for mayor. His opponent was a mild-mannered bureaucrat named Thatcher Longstreth. Rizzo was an odious loud-mouthed buffoon (sound familiar?) who won the election easily because Philadelphia is such a strongly Democratic town. You could no more win a race for mayor as a Republican in Philadelphia, PA in those days than you could as a Democrat in Philadelphia, Mississippi today (I'm just assuming here--don't actually know Philadelphia, MS).

As it turned out, Rizzo proudly boasted that Richard Nixon was "his friend," switched, appropriately enough, to the Republican Party soon after the election, and had to stop construction on a $400,000 (in the early 1970s !!) house, whose financing he couldn't explain, given his $40,000 salary. Rizzo was the scum of the earth, and I proudly stand by the only vote I ever cast for a Republican.

DFW

(54,302 posts)
18. That is why I am not ashamed of voting for his opponent
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 12:59 PM
Aug 2016

I don't care WHAT party Rizzo ran under, there was NO way I would use my first vote ever to support that lard-bellied crook. If that meant voting for a Republican, well, then so be it.

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
11. If a Republican were more progressive on gun control, civil rights ....
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 11:39 AM
Aug 2016

.... women's rights, climate change, civil rights (r/t to LGBT, women, PoC, religion) I will vote for the more progressive candidate.

I have no doubt this is in response to Gabby Giffords supporting Republicans that have saner views related to the proliferation of "guns" in the US. She has experienced the horror of gun violence and the scourge of the NRA, the GOA and their lackeys .... I can only respect her for her strong convictions and understand those in support of her.

Single issue voting helped insure women's reproductive rights and civil rights in general .... and helped shape the Democratic party .... perhaps it is time for us to help reshape the Democratic party.

sarisataka

(18,498 posts)
20. That is one illustrative example.
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 01:13 PM
Aug 2016

AFAIK Ms Giffords is not a DU member and may endorse who she chooses. This is a good example however as the Democrats running against her endorsed candidates are also very pro gun control.

I am asking more generally. Is any issue so important we should support a Republican to ensure a win on that issue? That it is worth losses on other Democratic platform issues and possibly leaving Congress with a Republican majority?

Calculating

(2,955 posts)
12. Well considering you can see the usernames and their votes
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 11:51 AM
Aug 2016

I don't expect much of anything other than 'Hell no'.

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