impossibility.

I understand what you are trying to say but I have to disagree with the premise.

"Mother Nature" has been a hell hole for hundreds of millions of years. A molten rock, one big ocean, A methane covered oven, a big ball of ice, etc... throughout it all, the earth has survived as has some form of life. It will survive until the sun blows up and eventually incinerates it in a few billion years.

What is happening is that we are making our planet uninhabitable for ourselves and other organisms that require the precises conditions for life right now. WE are killing ourselves albeit slowly. There will come a time, if we do not reverse course, where we will simply not be able to breathe the air, drink the water, or grow food in the soil, and that will be our fault, unless an asteroid hits us and accelerates the process.

We can't really hurt the earth except in the very short term. What we can and are doing is destroying our habitat.

Glad you're here. I'm even more gratified that this subject is coming up. Not nearly often enough. It should be a major concern on EVERYONE's front burner. It's only our survival as a species - that's all...

here, and bit by bit we are destroying them.

I guess maybe more properly we are destroying her children.

We will be responsible for only one mass extinction, possibly including ourselves in it. Mother nature has 5 big mass extinctions and a whole lot of smaller ones.

I tend to think of her as the life force, but it's true there is a lot of death in nature, naturally...

I see Nature as the result of all processes on Earth and beyond. Man made things like carbon emissions are not Nature. Volcanoes, Tornados, Hurricanes, Fires, Earthquakes, all nature. We are just now in the way of those things, and in the case of fires are often the cause as well.

There is life and death all the time species like the Dinosaurs who were much more prolific and long lived were wiped out by Nature, the nature of the Universe. The asteroid that struck the earth was pushed into motion by the laws of nature and the Universe. The volcanic eruptions that are associated with the Permian Mass Extinction also natural processes.

When we try to anthropomorphize Nature, I just think we take away from our responsibility to use the time we have on Earth wisely for our species and for others that we can affect by our direct action.

though.

...and that skin has diseases; one of these diseases is Mankind." -- Nietzsche

Excellent and perfect. .

The next mass extinction will most likely be self-induced by homo sapiens; mother nature's problem solved. About 50% of our countrymen don't even believe in global warming and climate change when it is blasting them in their face. Hope and change can do nothing for stupidity.

Bury, burn the waste behind you

This is a great series. "I have fed species greater than you, and I have starved species greater than you."

The link won't work correctly, so just google "Julia Roberts as Mother Nature" and it should take you there.

Seriously, f'ing awesome. She speaks so calmly and matter of fact. All the climate deniers need to see this. But I know they won't.

Tremendously!

Glad you posted this! It's going to become more and more urgent as time passes. And I don't know how much time we realistically have left. There are those who believe the critical mass point has already been reached.

I see it as I walk my dog in various parts of West L.A. I don't see nearly as many bees as I used to. Apricot tree down the street hasn't fruited in about three years. We never used to have humidity here. Now, we do (although not right this minute - drought dontchaknow). But dammit, people, I see trash and litter and cigarette butts and wrappers and Starbucks cups and lids and water bottles and such - strewn along the gutters. All that crap washes into the ocean and fouls our nest, and feeds the Pacific Trash Gyre. And all that plastic shit winds up in the stomachs of fish and sea birds and other creatures. I read awhile ago that within a few years - I think they said by 2020 - one out of EVERY FOUR fish caught for human consumption will be found to have plastic shit in their stomachs when they're cut open. Just fabulous, 'eh?

What the Fucking HELL are we doing to our beautiful Earth?????

I am just upset tonight.

Love you.

Those are not sad it is what Obama is trying to do. I wanted people to read my earlier thread because if we don't do that, we will end with this post.

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President Obama just quadrupled the size of a national marine monument off northwestern Hawaii. http://on.natgeo.com/2bEaxf1

12:12 AM - 26 Aug 2016




Hawaii Is Now Home to an Ocean Reserve Twice the Size of Texas

A 583,000-square-mile "no-take" zone: President Obama just quadrupled the size of a national marine monument off northwestern Hawaii.

More: https://theobamadiary.com/2016/08/26/environmentalist-in-chief/

So long as the Republicans never come close to the white house. Their standard position on climate change is that the whole thing is a Chinese hoax meant to weaken America. Drill baby drill! Dig baby dig! Burn baby burn! Put the coal miners back to work! If God didn't want us to burn all the coal it wouldn't be in the ground!

But we don't dare talk about limiting population, as in how many children to have.

Sometimes people have to face uncomfortable truths.

The advertisers don't allow it. Besides, the parent companies have a financial stake in status quo, they lose big money changing to an much different lifestyle.

There are simply too many people and we've exceeded the carrying capacity of our world. There are only 3 options:
1-Continue overpopulating leading to disaster in the future.
2-Either force people to have fewer children, or have them voluntarily not have children.
3-Some kind of great plague or pandemic comes along and wipes out 3-4 billion of us.

Nothing we do in terms of fighting climate change or saving the environment will matter much unless we can put the brakes on our population growth. Population control is like the gigantic purple elephant in the room, and nobody wants to deal with it.

Nature has way of self-correcting.

Google "Carrington Event."

It's also not just the raw number of people, it's what we do too. It's what we want to do. It's the options that we think are basic human rights, even though human rights exist nowhere but within the human imagination.

The fundamental battle isn't between left and right. It's between the human imagination and the physical reality of a finite planet, and we, in general, do not accept limits.

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I don't understand the attitude that no one has the right to tell people how many children they can have, when the entire species survival depends on limiting our numbers, but you will hear that, even here.

but the one child rule isn't going to work- look at China. As a whole, we are going to start mandating who may or may not have children.

Putting on the asbestos.

and we do care

Soon we humans will be a peculiar layer of trash in the geologic record.

We have to think what we want.

Nature doesn't care, if we don't recognize her rules, we die.

Many innovative species have come and gone in this planet's history.

We won't be the first, we won't be the last.

A flash in the pan.

Did you bother to read the link I posted? Did you read what Obama has done? No one ever reads the links.

His place in history is secure.

Thank you.

Detriment we have been looking away for decades.

The scene in "An Inconvenient Truth" that showed a ppt. slide image of a scale with the Earth on one side and Gold bars on the other was heartbreakingly true.

We are, according to this dichotomy, separate from nature. In short, we are unnatural. Hence, our elimination would restore the "natural" order (whatever the hell that is), and paradise would reign again. Falls a bit into the problems of an "Appeal to Nature," to say the least.

It is what Obama is doing for our future. So sorry you missed that.

We are as much a part of "mother nature" as the sparrow, rainbows, the ebola virus, and black holes. I simply object to the hogwash inherent in the idolization of "mother nature."

Hogwash. How kind of you.

Sad you never read my first post. This one was in frustration that what Obama said in my first post was never read.

Thanks for your ugly nasty call out.

Bye

minimize trash, wash and reuse plactic, use safer cleaners than just dumping stuff down the drains.
Properly dispose of medications. Proper lightbulbs recycle, use cloth bags for groceries or reuse plastic ones.
There are many small things you can do.
If nothing else, to live with yourself.

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by making people live where their watse can be managed. Those old pastoral farms did a LOT of damage.