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Debbie Wasserman Schultz WINS!!!!!! (Original Post) MohRokTah Aug 2016 OP
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Any day that H.A Goodman loses is a good one! Dawson Leery Aug 2016 #2
Good for DWS, this was predicted. Thinkingabout Aug 2016 #3
So glad God and Karma hooked up and got it done underthematrix Aug 2016 #4
K&R ismnotwasm Aug 2016 #6
56-43. Maybe now she got the message that throwing pot smokers in prison Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #7
No, she didn't nikto Aug 2016 #21
How many pot smokers did she throw in prison? George II Aug 2016 #71
Let's start with Brigit Kirouac, shall we? Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #116
Just ask Elizabeth Warren--save some scorn for her, too, why don't you...? MADem Aug 2016 #122
That's quite a stretch. That's like someone moving from a state where someone can legally... George II Aug 2016 #123
Fine, and the people of Florida are gonna send her to prison for 10 years. Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #127
K&R sheshe2 Aug 2016 #8
What this is supposed to be a good thing gabeana Aug 2016 #9
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She recognized Jeff Weaver is an incompetent asshole who lost Bernie the nomination emulatorloo Aug 2016 #13
No thats was not the reason gabeana Aug 2016 #15
Yep, Bernie primary supporter here and HRC did a great job! emulatorloo Aug 2016 #17
It's AWESOME!!!!!!! MohRokTah Aug 2016 #11
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This is the era of the Neoliberal Democrat nikto Aug 2016 #22
I know and here on DU gabeana Aug 2016 #23
It is pitiful and tragic to watch nikto Aug 2016 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author jack_krass Aug 2016 #83
They like her mostly because she helped defeat Bernie jack_krass Aug 2016 #85
No, we got a bunch of people who apparently seem to enjoy pretending that Democrats are Republicans synergie Aug 2016 #109
What a sorry remark. Republicans oppose choice, LGBTQ rights, and want prayer in schools, for MADem Aug 2016 #53
Primary is over now. Time to get behind the nominee. MohRokTah Aug 2016 #29
True, now that she is nominee gabeana Aug 2016 #31
You don't live in Florida do you? nt Mojorabbit Aug 2016 #42
I donate money and make remote calls for Demcratic Candidates from all over the country. eom MohRokTah Aug 2016 #45
That is what I thought. nt Mojorabbit Aug 2016 #48
I donated quite a bit to both DWS and Murphy. eom MohRokTah Aug 2016 #49
she's strongly against legalizing weed, which apparently no Democrat supports. Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #12
That was Eliz. Warren's position until very, very recently. MADem Aug 2016 #54
If California passes measure 64, it won't matter. Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #56
Last I heard, 64 is dominating in the yes column zappaman Aug 2016 #77
You guys need to not fuck it up this time. For real. Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #117
Me too. zappaman Aug 2016 #126
We had the same situation up here, pretty much. Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #128
MA has medical MJ now, and in Sep we'll be voting on a ballot initiative. MADem Aug 2016 #130
If DWS wants to be a less divisive figure going forward, great. Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #133
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Good for her, murielm99 Aug 2016 #18
Democrats applauding a virtual Reaganite supply-sider?? nikto Aug 2016 #19
Her constituents voted for her. Sad for you and me maybe, but we aren't voters in her district emulatorloo Aug 2016 #20
Neoliberal is an actual word with meaning that applies clearly to some politicians nikto Aug 2016 #25
I know it is an "actual word". Half of DU doesn't know what the fuck it means emulatorloo Aug 2016 #28
I agree the word shouldn't be used as a perjorative just to hurt feelings nikto Aug 2016 #36
Words are great. Eko Aug 2016 #43
Hearing your rant convinces me ... nikto Aug 2016 #132
Yeah, not really. Those who are actually ranting and spreading silly talking points to synergie Sep 2016 #138
My rant? Eko Sep 2016 #139
+100 emulatorloo Hekate Sep 2016 #136
The more left Democrats never seem to show up for our nominees. MohRokTah Aug 2016 #30
Neoliberal is a factual term nikto Aug 2016 #38
I have yet to see you use the term correctly. MohRokTah Aug 2016 #39
In the immortal words of a former acquaintance 1939 Aug 2016 #57
+1. Very silly, but take away that word and Hortensis Aug 2016 #78
Well then, stop being such a cipher and explain it to me nikto Aug 2016 #131
I found a link for you, so that you can learn what the word means synergie Aug 2016 #110
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Sorry, but your misinformed views of the party you malign don't fit the word you misuse. synergie Sep 2016 #135
+1 synergie. One small critique.... Hekate Sep 2016 #137
The same New Deal that excluded minorities from its benefits for decades? BobbyDrake Aug 2016 #60
Did you forget about the millions of Rex Aug 2016 #87
Excellent news.. John Lewis, President Obama and Hillary endorsed her! Cha Aug 2016 #24
Welcome back! In_The_Wind Aug 2016 #59
Yes. I put a lot of weight on that. Hortensis Aug 2016 #79
REC riversedge Aug 2016 #27
I just threw up in my mouth a little..... fantase56 Aug 2016 #32
Lots of ToS violations in this thread above and below Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2016 #40
Let us Floridians grieve for one night FFS. nt Mojorabbit Aug 2016 #44
Most of them (not the Republicans, of course) are celebrating. MADem Aug 2016 #55
This Floridian is celebrating mcar Aug 2016 #99
And lots of "post removed" also, thankfully. George II Aug 2016 #72
I've never seen such a spectacle. It's like they just don't care any more... NurseJackie Aug 2016 #100
Bingo!!! We have a winner in the "It's like they just don't care any more..." Many more don't than Purveyor Aug 2016 #102
I thought the people who hated the Dems decamped! MADem Aug 2016 #114
Me Too... Raine Aug 2016 #65
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I guess that's what Democrats look like in some places. immoderate Aug 2016 #34
I suppose you'd just LET granny eat that pot brownie without going to prison, huh Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #46
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I'm happy for her, Jamaal510 Aug 2016 #47
Exactly, and me too! KMOD Aug 2016 #50
Going further, congrats to democracy itself and to Hortensis Aug 2016 #80
Good for her! There's one seat we'll keep and I'm optimistic about Murphy beating Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #51
Why are you happy that right-wingers won those primaries? Ken Burch Aug 2016 #52
Why are you calling good Democrats names? MohRokTah Aug 2016 #64
what's with G_j Aug 2016 #66
The TOS is what governs this site. Members are expected to abide by the TOS, on this site... George II Aug 2016 #124
no kidding .. G_j Aug 2016 #125
I'm not calling them names. Ken Burch Aug 2016 #89
I'm wondering G_j Aug 2016 #92
...or a singularity of thought.... alittlelark Aug 2016 #129
‘I Will Be Blunt. I Want Alan Grayson To Lose.’ KMOD Aug 2016 #97
That Hedge Fund Wife Abuser talked a real good game--but was responsible for absolutely ZERO MADem Aug 2016 #118
spot on!! KMOD Aug 2016 #121
This is not meant to be mean or starky... Funtatlaguy Aug 2016 #58
President Obama thinks so. KMOD Aug 2016 #103
Yeah Gothmog Aug 2016 #61
They're cheering about this over on Fox News this morning, too. n/t Hugin Aug 2016 #62
I still think that Wasserman-Schultz is a stain on our party, because Stellar Aug 2016 #63
Yes, she was used as a wedge by a group new to the party who were intent on causing synergie Aug 2016 #86
No...actually that just one of the issues I have with her Stellar Aug 2016 #88
Regardless of your personal issues with her, you cannot pretend that she was not used to attempt synergie Aug 2016 #90
Yep, she is a Huuuge issue! Stellar Aug 2016 #93
You seem to be hung up on the lies told about her during the primaries, and yes synergie Aug 2016 #95
O.K. whatever nt Stellar Aug 2016 #96
I have a terrific link for you KMOD Aug 2016 #101
I watched the convention...and rolled my eyes when he said that, I think most of us did. nt Stellar Aug 2016 #104
who is "most of us"? KMOD Aug 2016 #105
As I edited my last post and put 'Sanders' supporter. I'm done with her! Stellar Aug 2016 #108
Stellar, this is like blaming the log for being divisive Hortensis Aug 2016 #115
Please forgive me, I can't talk about her anymore... Stellar Aug 2016 #119
Voting blue's where we meet and really 99.5% Hortensis Aug 2016 #120
So the one that makes her money on the backs of others Raine Aug 2016 #67
And Democrats cheer for the victory Bettie Aug 2016 #70
And there was much rejoicing... bullwinkle428 Aug 2016 #68
Lots of "post removed" posts in this thread. Can someone tell me why betsuni Aug 2016 #69
DWS used the DNC to help her campaign against Canova. She also refused to endorse Democratic candid think Aug 2016 #73
Based on dozens of the responses in this thread, apparently.... George II Aug 2016 #74
silly G_j Aug 2016 #75
+1000, George II. Hortensis Aug 2016 #81
Fantastic! This pleases me very much! NurseJackie Aug 2016 #76
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DWS is a lifeong Democrat who has done good work for the party. MohRokTah Aug 2016 #84
I think we learned who many of the "DINOs" were shortly after Clinton sewed up the nomination. George II Aug 2016 #94
Pity. At least she's no longer DNC chair... n/t backscatter712 Aug 2016 #91
Thank G*d for that - at least she can now concentrate on. . . DinahMoeHum Aug 2016 #106
Ha! Wow ..Hardly a complete fing failure. She has brought Hillary to a Solid Lead in Fl. misterhighwasted Aug 2016 #111
Excuse me, but her "leadership" at DNC cost the Dems in 2014. DinahMoeHum Aug 2016 #112
Whatever! 2014 was Lost because of lazy voters. misterhighwasted Aug 2016 #113
K&R mcar Aug 2016 #98
K&R! stonecutter357 Aug 2016 #107

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Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
7. 56-43. Maybe now she got the message that throwing pot smokers in prison
Tue Aug 30, 2016, 10:36 PM
Aug 2016

isn't quite the popular position it used to be.

One hopes.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
116. Let's start with Brigit Kirouac, shall we?
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 04:18 PM
Aug 2016
http://www.wptv.com/news/region-martin-county/stuart/stuart-woman-faces-10-years-in-prison-in-medical-marijuana-case

Medical marijuana patient from Maine, no prior criminal record, facing 10 YEARS in Florida Prison for growing her own marijuana. Followed home by cops from a hydroponics store, because apparently the taxpayers dollars in Florida have nothing better to do than sit outside grow shops and follow random 50 year old women home. Then the search warrant, etc.

Yeah, one could argue the theory that she moved from Maine with her MMJ card and her host of medical issues (because older people NEVER move to Florida for just medical reasons, now, do they?) knowing no one in FL, because she had the great plan to become the 50 year old pablo escobar of weed under cover of being a medical marijuana patient.

Or, she's telling the truth, and she grows her own weed because she doesn't know anyone and doesn't want to try and score on the black market.

Anyway, how does this relate to DWS? Well, Ms. Kirouac was arrested in 2014, the same year DWS worked with Sheldon Adelson's anti-drug org to kill Medical Marijuana reform in Florida. Reform which would have prevented Ms. Kirouac's arrest, or made the case against her moot.

So is DWS sitting there slamming the cell door shut personally? No. But her advocacy and voting record is putting medical marijuana patients away as we speak. Just ask Brigit Kirouac.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
122. Just ask Elizabeth Warren--save some scorn for her, too, why don't you...?
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 04:45 PM
Aug 2016

She was rather vociferously "anti-legalization" and "anti-medical MJ" until very very recently. She's--to use a Trump word -- "softening" a bit on the issue mainly because her constituency is out in front on this score.

So, is she on the shit list, too?
Or, because she "Speaks truth to power" does she get a pass on this matter?


This is an issue where people are moving--albeit slowly--towards sanity. Lots of politicians we otherwise "like" are on the wrong side of this and looking for a way to jump the fence without freaking out their stodgy long-term supporters.

From here:
https://blog.mpp.org/prohibition/elizabeth-warren-flunks-marijuana-question/

To here:


http://www.theweedblog.com/senator-elizabeth-warren-is-open-to-marijuana-legalization/

And most of HER constituents aren't "set in their ways" senior citizens who have been raised on Reefer Madness propaganda....


George II

(67,782 posts)
123. That's quite a stretch. That's like someone moving from a state where someone can legally...
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 05:03 PM
Aug 2016

....carry a gun openly to one where it once can't expecting to be able to do so - "I have a note".

Last I heard, a sitting Congresswoman doesn't write or vote for state legislation.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
127. Fine, and the people of Florida are gonna send her to prison for 10 years.
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 05:51 PM
Aug 2016

Great. Must feel good to cluck about how awful she is, to have plants in her basement. And it's not like Ms. Kirouac wasn't asking for it, you know, driving home from a hydroponics store and all. Clearly a menace to public safety.

As for the "sitting congressowman...." thing, I seem to address this every. damn. time. we have these conversations, but I'll do it again: SHE ADVOCATED AGAINST MEASURE 2 -IN FLORIDA- IN 2014. So she was using her prominent public position to work (again, along with Sheldon Adelson's drug-free Florida org, which was the primary source of money for the no on 2 effort) against state legislation.

So the next time someone- not you, of course- tries to act like I'm an idiot for bringing it up, please remember, yes, it's relevant even though she's in the House (where she also has cast VOTES to send medical marijuana patients to prison) because of her direct advocacy in the state. Don't take my word for it, ask the local press.

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/on-medical-marijuana-debbie-wasserman-schultz-sounds-like-a-republican-6544176

(emphasis added)

"Pertaining to the ballot initiative in Florida, I have concerns that it is written too broadly and stops short of ensuring strong regulatory oversight from state officials," continues Wasserman Schultz's statement. "Other states have shown that lax oversight and ease of access to prescriptions can lead to abuse, fraud, and accidents. Also, given Florida's recent history in combating the epidemic of 'pill mills' and dubious distinction as having among the highest incidents of fraud, I do not believe we should make it easier for those seeking to abuse the drug to have easy access to it."

Scott and Republican Attorney General Pam Bondi have used similar language to state their opposition to the amendment. In fact, Bondi unsuccessfully tried to have the amendment taken off the ballot by claiming that it was worded too broadly.

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emulatorloo

(43,979 posts)
13. She recognized Jeff Weaver is an incompetent asshole who lost Bernie the nomination
Tue Aug 30, 2016, 11:17 PM
Aug 2016

Pretty smart on her part, BOB.

emulatorloo

(43,979 posts)
17. Yep, Bernie primary supporter here and HRC did a great job!
Tue Aug 30, 2016, 11:22 PM
Aug 2016

But Weaver failed to broaden Bernie's coalition, just hurled red meat and CT to GD: P types. Bernie deserved better but that's water under the bridge. About to sign up to knock doors for HRC

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nikto

(3,284 posts)
22. This is the era of the Neoliberal Democrat
Tue Aug 30, 2016, 11:34 PM
Aug 2016

You know, what we used to call, back in the 80s,
Republicans.


As the GOP struggles, the Democratic Party yearns to be the New Republican Party.



There's so much $$$$ in it, ya' know?

 

nikto

(3,284 posts)
26. It is pitiful and tragic to watch
Tue Aug 30, 2016, 11:50 PM
Aug 2016

Pathetic beyond words,
because of where the Party may be led in the years after this election,
with full-support from The Faithful.

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synergie

(1,901 posts)
109. No, we got a bunch of people who apparently seem to enjoy pretending that Democrats are Republicans
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 03:01 PM
Aug 2016

because they honestly don't know what they're talking about.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
53. What a sorry remark. Republicans oppose choice, LGBTQ rights, and want prayer in schools, for
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 04:04 AM
Aug 2016

starters.

How you can insult Democrats by tossing out that bitter false equivalency, just because your candidate was rejected, is beyond me.

Ya know?

gabeana

(3,166 posts)
31. True, now that she is nominee
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 12:13 AM
Aug 2016

need to support her, I don't know anything about the district assume it is a safe D
but I am not going to be jumping for joy for someone I see as an extension of corporate greed

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
12. she's strongly against legalizing weed, which apparently no Democrat supports.
Tue Aug 30, 2016, 11:13 PM
Aug 2016

At least, no Democrat east of the Mississippi, and that's all that matters, right?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
54. That was Eliz. Warren's position until very, very recently.
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 04:06 AM
Aug 2016

She didn't catch any shit for it, though.

She's "rethinking" right now--not there yet, though.

Still not catching any shit.

She's avoided the "Lord of the Flies" treatment, lucky her. She got a taste of it when she withheld her endorsement, though....

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
56. If California passes measure 64, it won't matter.
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 04:41 AM
Aug 2016

The East Coast can catch up sooner, or later. Won't matter much to us out here.

One difference between DWS and Senator Warren, however, is in terms of direct activism and voting record.

if DWS evolves, great. If not, it will go on without her.

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
126. Me too.
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 05:49 PM
Aug 2016

The last time it came up, there were some issues with how it was presented.
This time, it looks good!

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
128. We had the same situation up here, pretty much.
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 05:55 PM
Aug 2016

2010 there was a more sketchy, weaker attempt that failed.

2014 was much better put together.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
130. MA has medical MJ now, and in Sep we'll be voting on a ballot initiative.
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 10:57 PM
Aug 2016

Most people I know support it--I hope they'll turn out.

Politicians do tend to evolve based on the way their CONSTITUENTS regard an issue--this is why EW has been moving forward on it. But five short years ago EW was a flat, aggressive NO on the legalization issue and was no fan of medical, either. She ran for office OPPOSED to it. Most of the people who voted for her thought she had her head up her ass on that one issue, but we're not the type to throw the baby out with the bathwater if the baby cuts one rude fart. You just get over it and try to clear the air.

DWS has been in Congress for fifteen years, and in the FL House for seven or eight years before that. SHE has a voting record and one that like anyone with that long a time in public life, evolves over time. EW is still a newbie. She's only been serving since Jan 2013--so a three year voting record in a Senate that would rather OBSTRUCT than bring bills to the floor is hardly a record at all. Her jobs before that didn't require her to "vote" on anything and her portfolio of action was prescribed by her boss--the POTUS.

Your comparison is total apples and oranges.

And terribly, terribly unfair, too.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
133. If DWS wants to be a less divisive figure going forward, great.
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 11:47 PM
Aug 2016

As of now, she won her primary, so she's not my problem.

I hope MA will pass it, but I won't be terribly surprised if you guys don't, at least not this time around. My impression having spent much time roaming across this great land, the further East you get the more uptight (or, if you prefer, conservative) people are about that particular issue.

Doesn't mean it won't ever change, but I wasn't surprised when CO and WA went first and we went second. I think it's got pretty good odds in CA, other states more of a toss-up or even likely loss.



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nikto

(3,284 posts)
19. Democrats applauding a virtual Reaganite supply-sider??
Tue Aug 30, 2016, 11:28 PM
Aug 2016

But hey, it's not about the content of a person's character, or what they actually stand for.

It's about the party label.


Sorry, but this is not good news for anyone but neoliberals and supply-side Democrats.

As a New Deal FDR-Democrat, I feel nauseous.



I predict, if the party refuses to turn left in its policies towards working people,
a great crisis for the Democratic Party may be coming in the years 2016-2020.


I hope not.

But it may be inevitable, if the Democratic Party does not start working harder for the interests of
America's working and middle class, than its bankers, investors and corporate people.

emulatorloo

(43,979 posts)
20. Her constituents voted for her. Sad for you and me maybe, but we aren't voters in her district
Tue Aug 30, 2016, 11:30 PM
Aug 2016

There's apparently not a "great crisis" in her district.

I will say, I don't believe jargon will impress real world voters. Isn't there a more meaningful way to express ourselves than name calling folks "neo-liberals"?

 

nikto

(3,284 posts)
25. Neoliberal is an actual word with meaning that applies clearly to some politicians
Tue Aug 30, 2016, 11:47 PM
Aug 2016

Last edited Wed Aug 31, 2016, 12:28 AM - Edit history (1)

As a retired teacher, I say vocabulary is a good thing.

I rarely see the word Neoliberal applied incorrectly.

I only use it where it applies, and every time I do, I can explain at length and in detail how it is accurately used.


If it hurts someone's feelings, then it means the person feeling the pain still has a soul left, and may not
want to see themselves as a Neoliberal, even if they actually do lean that way on policy.

But admittedly, Neoliberal and "guilt" do not often go together.

emulatorloo

(43,979 posts)
28. I know it is an "actual word". Half of DU doesn't know what the fuck it means
Tue Aug 30, 2016, 11:54 PM
Aug 2016

And simply use it as a way to name call people who don't agree with them.

If you want to knock doors and talk to voters, try to find a plain language equivalent. I have advanced degrees in English as well and have taught too.

Sometimes common sense and plain language and understanding your audience is far more important and effective than showing off your erudition and extensive vocabulary.

It is about being an effective communicator, and spouting specialized political jargon isn't effective communication IMHO.



Of course ymmv. Have a great night.

 

nikto

(3,284 posts)
36. I agree the word shouldn't be used as a perjorative just to hurt feelings
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 12:35 AM
Aug 2016

I try to use it responsibly, myself.

As in,
DWS has strong neoliberal leanings in a number of policy areas such as support for for-profit prisons,
payday-lenders, and trade deals such as TPP. Also, she is a member of the strongly pro-corporate (aka "pro-growth&quot New Dem Caucus. These are clearly Neoliberal positions.

See?

No insults.

Just facts.



Good evening to you.

Eko

(7,170 posts)
43. Words are great.
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 01:04 AM
Aug 2016

As a "New Deal FDR-Democrat" should we order the internment of 100,000 Japanese American civilians, keep on being the Arsenal of Democracy, out gay soldiers? Of course not. There was so much good done at that time that we overlook these things to a certain point when we call ourselves New Deal FDR-Democrats. Of course payday lending, for profit prisons and trade deals far outweigh any of that stuff. Pffft.

 

nikto

(3,284 posts)
132. Hearing your rant convinces me ...
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 11:47 PM
Aug 2016

The Democratic Party's real crisis is ahead of us.
After the election.

And it's going to be a doozie.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
138. Yeah, not really. Those who are actually ranting and spreading silly talking points to
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 03:30 AM
Sep 2016

try to divide and attack the party really lack both follow through and a clue. After the election, the whiny ones will not bother with a party that was never really theirs and those that seek to attack the party and the president will be outed for what they actually have been all this time, not progressive, not liberal and certainly not Dems.

Eko

(7,170 posts)
139. My rant?
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 03:59 AM
Sep 2016

Whats interesting here is you opened yourself up to a line of inquiry that wasn't even necessary. If you had just stated you were a democrat and against those things then I would have been like, cool, no problem with that. But no, you are a FDR New Deal democrat and "neoliberals" are the problem, at least according to you. We have done a lot of good, but yeah I know there are a lot of things we could have done better. More people have health care than ever, but yeah, that's not that good. Gay people can serve in the military without having to hide themselves and they can finally get married in every state, but that's not that good. We stopped the torturing of detainees that the previous administration was doing, just ok, we kicked banks out of the federal student loan program, we created a deal with Iran in regards to nukes, s'ok. We started the long road of combating global warming, we got a new Start treaty, improved school nutrition, expanded hate crimes protections, but yeah we suck. But hey, at least we didn't create concentration camps for a race and we didnt nuke 220,000 people, at least we have that going for us. Just a side note, how were African Americans treated back then? By the New Deal FDR Democratic party?

“Politics is the art of the possible, the attainable — the art of the next best”

― Otto von Bismarck

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
30. The more left Democrats never seem to show up for our nominees.
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 12:07 AM
Aug 2016

So there's no reason to pay any attention to them.

When the terms "Neo-liberal" and "supply-side Democrats" are hurled as insults, the positions of those hurling them can be promptly ignored as irrelevant because those who hurl these insults rarely ever show up to vote for our nominees.

It's a simple matter of dancing with those that brung ya.

So WOOHOO!!!!!! Debbie Wasserman Schultz WON!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

nikto

(3,284 posts)
38. Neoliberal is a factual term
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 12:43 AM
Aug 2016

If some folks use it as a perjorative, then that's on them.
I don't.

But it can be accurate in its use, as it is when used to describe many of the policy positions of DWS, Rahm Emanuel, etc.

Those are just facts.


And I am sincerely sorry to see the rise of neoliberalism in my beloved Democratic Party---The Party whose New Deal made my life and careerso much better than it would have been without it.

If the Democratic Party continues to turn-away from New Deal-type thinking (albeit up-dated, for our era),
I consider that a tragedy.

FDR's Democratic Party was the Party of the common working person.

I fear the "new" Democratic Party is becoming the party of bankers.

If that ain't neoliberal, then nothing is.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
39. I have yet to see you use the term correctly.
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 12:44 AM
Aug 2016

In fact, every post you have made in this thread demonstrates you have no understanding of the definition of the term.

1939

(1,683 posts)
57. In the immortal words of a former acquaintance
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 06:01 AM
Aug 2016

said while we were trying to parse our way through a very turgid piece of governmental directive,

"Words mean what I choose them to mean".

It sounded very arrogant at the time, but it seems to be the prevailing attitude where we or groups of we choose new meanings for a word.



Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
78. +1. Very silly, but take away that word and
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 12:13 PM
Aug 2016

another would be grabbed from the virtual water balloon dictionary.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
110. I found a link for you, so that you can learn what the word means
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 03:06 PM
Aug 2016

since it would seem that you don't know and are actually using it as a pejorative to attack Democrats you don't like.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism

Also, people have explained why "new deal type thinking" is not exactly the most appropriate thing, and what the "new deal" was about.

FDR was one of those 1%ers and the "oligarchs" that so many have been ranting and raving about.

I fear that you really, really do need to learn what neoliberal is, lest you continue misusing the term as a pejorative to attack Democrats.

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synergie

(1,901 posts)
135. Sorry, but your misinformed views of the party you malign don't fit the word you misuse.
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 02:00 AM
Sep 2016

You seem to think your false beliefs are backed up by facts, they are not. You don't seem to understand the word or the party you apply it to. I'm sorry, but developed coherent level of correspondence requires that one is capable of understanding and engaging at that level, and from your rant here, that does not seem to be the case.

I'm sorry that you are so very deluded about our party and that you believe any and all untruths fed to you, but the shame is yours, the shallowness is yours, long posts don't substitute for facts, truth or an actual understanding of the words you claim to understand but fail to demonstrate that you grasp.

IMO, you don't seem to understand what you're exposing here about your bias, your failure to understand and the difference between reality and the things you fervently believe because the talking points have been repeated so often.

You have not done anything close, sorry but that is also the truth. The wiki page does not nail your frequent misuse of the term, your constant and consistent use of in the pejorative to attack a party that you don't seem to respect very much or are terribly informed about. Screeching "corporatist" is not the high level argument you seem to wish to believe it is.

Sorry, but embracing truth requires to you embrace that what you're saying isn't "truth" nor have you been honest or truthful about your use of a term you don't quite get.

Hekate

(90,189 posts)
137. +1 synergie. One small critique....
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 02:30 AM
Sep 2016

Edit post and delete every "sorry" but one, or maybe all of them. Write from strength, and don't apologize to the invincibly self-righteous.

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
60. The same New Deal that excluded minorities from its benefits for decades?
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 07:45 AM
Aug 2016

Who could have guessed that modern "New Deal Democrats" would care more about their money than other people?

Such a shock.



It's annoying to see you try to call others "Reaganites" while you're actually acting like one.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
87. Did you forget about the millions of
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 01:12 PM
Aug 2016

Reagan Dems out there? Evidently they never changed or had to grow with the party. Some did and obviously others never will.

Big tent etc..

MADem

(135,425 posts)
55. Most of them (not the Republicans, of course) are celebrating.
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 04:24 AM
Aug 2016

FFS.

The ones who got the most votes--by a wide margin--won.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
100. I've never seen such a spectacle. It's like they just don't care any more...
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 02:40 PM
Aug 2016

... and not even trying to pretend to fit-in. It's disappointing, but I'm hopeful that things will calm down soon.

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
102. Bingo!!! We have a winner in the "It's like they just don't care any more..." Many more don't than
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 02:45 PM
Aug 2016

I thought possible.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
114. I thought the people who hated the Dems decamped!
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 04:02 PM
Aug 2016

I hope things calm down soon, too. We have some great candidates, and an election to win.

We've all gotta lead, follow or just get out of the way!

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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
80. Going further, congrats to democracy itself and to
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 12:19 PM
Aug 2016

District 23 constituents for having your say and picking your representative in spite of attempts to impose the will of outsiders.

Maru Kitteh

(28,303 posts)
51. Good for her! There's one seat we'll keep and I'm optimistic about Murphy beating
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 02:34 AM
Aug 2016

that silly little dingbat Rubio.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
52. Why are you happy that right-wingers won those primaries?
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 02:39 AM
Aug 2016

Those results mean we're guaranteed to lose the Senate race(and also Grayson's old House seat, where the "Democrats" nominated a guy who is ok with the idea of ultimately getting rid of Social Security and who has no progressive stands on anything).

This also puts HRC at risk...since it is impossible to generate any enthusiasm with nothing but conservatives on the down ticket (we already know from this that any hope of beating Rubio is gone, since no one is stoked about Murphy, whose positions on the issues are basically the same as George Smathers), it's going to be impossible to get a high voter turnout in Florida.

That also means we've just lost any chance at all of making any gains in the Florida legislature, which means the state is doomedf to be gerrymandered now 'til at least 2030.

That's what has to happen when conservatives win Democratic primaries-it kills all the excitement and passion. Nothing matters in Florida in November now. No one there has any reason to care anymore.

Why does any of that make you happy?

Why do you want the Florida Democratic party to be the second party of the right?

George II

(67,782 posts)
124. The TOS is what governs this site. Members are expected to abide by the TOS, on this site...
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 05:34 PM
Aug 2016

....and any other site I've been on.

 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
97. ‘I Will Be Blunt. I Want Alan Grayson To Lose.’
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 02:29 PM
Aug 2016

- Harry Reid

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/harry-reid-alan-grayson_us_573a27fae4b060aa781af541

“We need strong leaders in the Senate — middle class champions dedicated to working hard and getting things done. People like Patrick Murphy,” Reid wrote in a campaign email sent out by Murphy’s team this afternoon.

He added in reference to Grayson: “What we DON’T need is a disgraceful hedge fund manager masquerading as a ‘progressive.'”

https://www.murphyforflorida.com/news/2016/tampa-bay-times-email-blast-harry-reid-campaigns-patrick-murphy/

Who are you calling right wingers, Ken?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
118. That Hedge Fund Wife Abuser talked a real good game--but was responsible for absolutely ZERO
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 04:20 PM
Aug 2016

change in the legislature. He threw red meat to hungry lions, pacing around looking for a fight, but he did nothing to improve the lives of everyday people.

And he blatantly violated House ethics by touting his position as a REASON to invest with him...he flat out said that he got the skinny ahead of the schmucks, so he was better prepared with sound strategies.

The man is an ugly, nasty grifter and the worst example of a Democrat we've seen in decades--rich as Roosevelt, with none of his character. Reid was right on the mark with him. His chief of staff, loyal to him for YEARS, expected (because he promised) his help with her campaign for his vacant seat. What did he do instead? Tout his new bride who thought she could grab the seat with her "enterpreneur" money--and his staffer was completely BLINDSIDED by this. She was told by a reporter that his (at the time) girlfriend was running with his backing, and it was obvious that she was nonplussed and HUMILIATED by the news.

In the end, even the staffer got rejected; his district was sick of the "Grayson touch" apparently. A state senator won the primary. All politics IS local, apparently.

How nice that Bride Dena came in THIRD--even though she changed her name to Grayson on the ballot, the constituents weren't fooled. They know a big pharma profiteer when they see one! Who's taking bets on how long THAT marriage will last? It seems to me that the only thing they had in common was her enthusiasm as a political groupie (she donates a LOT and goes to all the "best" fundraisers) and his connections, now severed, to the political scene.

Funtatlaguy

(10,855 posts)
58. This is not meant to be mean or starky...
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 06:13 AM
Aug 2016

I'm just asking those that like DWS to tell me if they think she did a good job as DNC chair in the midterms in helping to attract candidates to run, promote them, and elect them.

Stellar

(5,644 posts)
63. I still think that Wasserman-Schultz is a stain on our party, because
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 08:46 AM
Aug 2016

she helped divide our party, and that's just my personal opinion about her.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
86. Yes, she was used as a wedge by a group new to the party who were intent on causing
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 01:07 PM
Aug 2016

divisiveness in the party to make themselves feel more pure, but if the division is what bothers you, your contempt should be for those who did the dividing, not those who used her to do so.

Stellar

(5,644 posts)
88. No...actually that just one of the issues I have with her
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 01:33 PM
Aug 2016

and I'm in a good mood now so I'll give you a few links.

Democrats turn on Debbie Wasserman Schultz
Politico

*Wasserman Schultz Reportedly Wanted to Paint Obama as ‘Anti-Woman,’ ‘Anti-Semitic’ If Ousted
Mediaite

Debbie Wasserman Schultz Must Go
The DNC desperately needs a chairperson who isn't completely in the tank for Hillary Clinton

Observer

AFL-CIO Says 'No' To Debbie Wasserman Schultz
Sunshine State

And of course, I was a Bernie Sanders supporter and a union member So she does rub me wrong even now...but I will vote Blue.

* When she first pissed me off.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
90. Regardless of your personal issues with her, you cannot pretend that she was not used to attempt
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 01:47 PM
Aug 2016

to divide the party this primary season. So blaming her for divisiveness is simply unfair, since she was literally used as a wedge by those seeking to divide.

Stellar

(5,644 posts)
93. Yep, she is a Huuuge issue!
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 02:02 PM
Aug 2016

she is what she appears to be in my book...and those are, as you say, my issues.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
95. You seem to be hung up on the lies told about her during the primaries, and yes
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 02:05 PM
Aug 2016

she was made into a "yuuuuge" issue. Kind of the problem with judging by appearances alone and not doing one's homework.

 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
101. I have a terrific link for you
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 02:45 PM
Aug 2016

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"For the last eight years, Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz has had my back," the President said in a statement. "This afternoon, I called her to let her know that I am grateful."


The President pointed to Schultz’ role in the many of the critical fights Democrats have faced during his presidency, “Her critical role in supporting our economic recovery, our fights for social and civil justice and providing health care for all Americans will be a hallmark of her tenure as Party Chair.”

“Her fundraising and organizing skills were matched only by her passion, her commitment and her warmth. And no one works harder for her constituents in Congress than Debbie Wasserman Schultz,” Obama said. ”

“Michelle and I are grateful for her efforts, we know she will continue to serve our country as a member of Congress from Florida and she will always be our dear friend.”


http://www.politicususa.com/2016/07/24/president-obama-debbie-wasserman-schultz-leadership.html

Stellar

(5,644 posts)
104. I watched the convention...and rolled my eyes when he said that, I think most of us did. nt
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 02:51 PM
Aug 2016

eta: most of us Sanders supporters did.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
115. Stellar, this is like blaming the log for being divisive
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 04:12 PM
Aug 2016

instead of the ax. She was attacked by people proudly hostile to the party establishment as a means of dividing and weakening the party itself, and we all know that.

DWS isn't perfect. Surely you can blame her for something real. There are some things in this good article from Newseek, although if you read it I think you'll realize if you choose to have no reason at all except that she exists you'll have plenty of company.

Btw, as DNC chair she was a prime target for attacks long before the primary, exactly the same kind of vitriol as Hillary Clinton, just to a much smaller degree.

"I think there has been a level of vitriol and personal attacks against her that we haven't seen against previous chairs," says Hilary Rosen, a Democratic consultant and friend of Wasserman Schultz. For example, says Rosen, her hair: Her tight ringlets are ridiculed by right-wing pundits, such as Fox's Greg Gutfeld, who called her "Frizzilla," Fox's Monica Crowley, who called her "she of the angry perm," Rush Limbaugh, who suggested she uses "mayonnaise in her hair," and Glenn Beck's website The Blaze, which called it "Ramen noodle hair."

Many current and former members of Team DWS describe a different Wasserman Schultz. They use words like smart, warm, tough, compassionate and hardworking. "I'm super 'Type A' and thought I was a really hardworking person, and then I met her and couldn't keep up," a former staffer says. "She just never, ever stops. She's not someone who needs to sit and recharge and watch a mindless TV show. She's just gung ho all the time. "Gridlock is synonymous with Congress these days. And yet she got things done by just working, working, working, working," says another longtimer."
...
But Wasserman Schultz is used to dealing with pissed off progressives. "She's the firewall between activists in the party and elected leaders," says Donna Brazile, a longtime Democratic strategist who was interim chair before Wasserman Schultz. "And when you're the firewall, you're a target." Or as Rosen puts it, "You're basically the dog everyone likes to kick."

The job's a meatgrinder: Wasserman Schultz's predecessor, Senator Tim Kaine of Virginia, stayed only two years. Before him, former Vermont Governor Howard Dean spent four years polishing his name after losing a nomination fight to John Kerry. The last DNC chair to serve as long as Wasserman Schultz was Robert Strauss, who led the party from 1972 to 1977 in the wake of George McGovern's crushing defeat at the hands of Richard Nixon.The Democratic Party Wasserman Schultz inherited in 2011 was reeling from a similar defeat. A year earlier, the party lost 63 seats in the House and seven in the Senate, losing its filibuster-proof supermajority in the bargain. It also lost 726 seats in state legislatures and six governorships. It was the biggest loss of seats in either party since the Great Depression.

Wasserman Schultz's task was to stanch the bleeding and reverse the trend. To that end, she became the party's loudest advocate. "She understands that visibility is viability," says Brazile. But her high profile has drawn critics. Part of that comes down to sexism, says Kathryn DePalo, a professor of political science at Florida International University: "When a woman exerts authority in that particular sense, people are ready to knock you down whatever way they can.""People in your own party are constantly unhappy with you," says Rosen, "and people on the other side view you as the vehicle with which to attack Democrats because it's easier to trash Debbie Wasserman Schultz than the president

http://www.newsweek.com/2016/06/10/why-dont-people-debbie-wasserman-schultz-462819.html
."

Stellar

(5,644 posts)
119. Please forgive me, I can't talk about her anymore...
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 04:31 PM
Aug 2016

I wasn't a great big fan of Bill or Hillary's since 2008, and I thank you for trying, I'm done.

But I will be voting Blue. (and thank you for not being angry with me, or making me feel stupid like some have).

Bettie

(15,997 posts)
70. And Democrats cheer for the victory
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 09:21 AM
Aug 2016

of the payday lending and private prison industries.

This party has changed a lot. Used to be they were more about people than corporations.

People over profit has changed to profit over people.

And we're all supposed to cheer about this.

betsuni

(25,122 posts)
69. Lots of "post removed" posts in this thread. Can someone tell me why
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 09:21 AM
Aug 2016

Debbie Wasserman Schultz is so terrible? I don't know anything about her. Just calling her "neoliberal" or "corporatist" or "DINO" or "same as a Republican" doesn't tell me anything. I've heard her blamed for Democrats not being elected. Why?

 

think

(11,641 posts)
73. DWS used the DNC to help her campaign against Canova. She also refused to endorse Democratic candid
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 10:11 AM
Aug 2016

candidates in her area that were running for the House due to her friendships with members of the GOP in the House:

Democrats torn between party, GOP friends

By Lesley Clark - McClatchy Newspapers - MARCH 9, 2008 2:23 PM

Democratic party leaders have tapped Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz to raise money and coach candidates in a high-stakes, aggressive bid to expand the Democratic majority in the House of Representatives.

But as three Miami Democrats look to unseat three of her South Florida Republican colleagues, Wasserman Schultz is staying on the sidelines. So is Rep. Kendrick Meek, a Miami Democrat and loyal ally to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

That wasn't the case just two years ago when the pair flouted a long-standing Florida delegation agreement to not campaign against colleagues and vigorously backed Ron Klein in his winning bid to oust veteran Republican Rep. Clay Shaw.

This time around, Wasserman Schultz and Meek say their relationships with the Republican incumbents, Reps. Lincoln Diaz-Balart and his brother Mario, and Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, leave them little choice but to sit out the three races...


Read more:
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article24478039.html



Tim Canova Files Formal Election Complaint Against Debbie Wasserman Schultz

BY JERRY IANNELLI - MONDAY, AUGUST 8, 2016 AT 1:21 P.M.

~snip~

Last month, New Times broke news that Canova's name turned up repeatedly in the DNC's email leak. WikiLeaks' email database showed that DNC staffers, who were not part of Wasserman Schultz's campaign team, routinely kept tabs on Canova's campaign, shared articles about him, and helped the congresswoman coordinate her fight against him.

~Snip~

In another email chain, DNC spokesperson Luis Miranda asked staffers to "do some digging" for information about a May rally at which Canova planned to speak in Alaska. The rally had been scheduled to compete with one of Wassserman Schultz's speeches.

"When is he [Canova] speaking compared to when she [Wasserman Schultz] is speaking?" DNC staffer Kate Houghton wrote May 12. "Adding a few more people. We need as much intel as you can provide."

If the FEC chooses to enforce Canova's complaint, the commission could levy fines against Wasserman Schultz.

~Snip~

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/tim-canova-files-formal-election-complaint-against-debbie-wasserman-schultz-8667388



George II

(67,782 posts)
74. Based on dozens of the responses in this thread, apparently....
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 10:21 AM
Aug 2016

....not many "democrats" around here support the election process.

She ran, she won, she'll win in November. That is and will be the will of the people.

Isn't that the way it's supposed to work?

Funny thing, I suspect that most of the negative comments expressed on the primary result last night in Florida and her district, not many if any actually live in that district or state.

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MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
84. DWS is a lifeong Democrat who has done good work for the party.
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 12:53 PM
Aug 2016

Calling her a "DINO" is unacceptable.

DinahMoeHum

(21,737 posts)
106. Thank G*d for that - at least she can now concentrate on. . .
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 02:54 PM
Aug 2016

. . .actually serving her district instead of trying to serve 2 masters.

That she was a complete fucking failure as DNC head underscores my opinion that the DNC job should go to an actual political strategist - NOT an actively serving elected legislator.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
111. Ha! Wow ..Hardly a complete fing failure. She has brought Hillary to a Solid Lead in Fl.
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 03:11 PM
Aug 2016

That is No Fing Failure considering Fl's shade of redness.

Happy as ever to have DWS win in spite of the spite & b.s. she undeservingly received from the sour grapes crowd.

DWS has done her job well.
Much Respect for her strength & loyalty to the DEM Party in Fl and in the US House.

Proud to support another strong woman for a Madam President Hillary.

She is no wishy washy whiner!! Thats for sure!
Congrats to DWS & her unsinkable resiliant fighting spirit.

Btw. Her tenure at DNC ends this fall. She Lost nothing.
She Wins again & again.



DinahMoeHum

(21,737 posts)
112. Excuse me, but her "leadership" at DNC cost the Dems in 2014.
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 03:33 PM
Aug 2016

Midterms.

"You're only as good as your last performance" - fortunately she has been given another chance.

I stand by my previous statement.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
113. Whatever! 2014 was Lost because of lazy voters.
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 03:38 PM
Aug 2016

That is hardly DWS's fault at all.
When voters don't bother to vote they have no one to blame but themselves.
That is the real truth of 2014.

Blamers gotta blame .

Sorry for your loss.

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