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If we are to start telling people what to wear, maybe we should ban suits. (Original Post) demmiblue Aug 2016 OP
I don't think anyone should tell anybody else what to where but I also think that Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #1
Agreed Fritz Walter Aug 2016 #3
I never understood the white after labor day SCVDem Aug 2016 #15
Let's ban neckties! (n/t) PJMcK Aug 2016 #2
Don't do that! It's the only thing that keeps the foreskin from slipping over their chin! nt flamin lib Aug 2016 #14
I have always had a negative reaction to a man in a suit. ananda Aug 2016 #4
the Burkini Defenders are really tiresome at this point maxsolomon Aug 2016 #5
Very clever. senseandsensibility Aug 2016 #6
But men in suits is the main selling point in most commercials. Rex Aug 2016 #7
the writer makes an excellent point niyad Aug 2016 #8
Did this man just make the female burkini issue The2ndWheel Aug 2016 #9
Nailed it! ^^ underahedgerow Aug 2016 #11
They weren't oppressed until people started telling them what to,-or what not to - wear. Sounds jtuck004 Aug 2016 #20
Another correction, they weren't oppressed until MEN started telling them what to do and underahedgerow Aug 2016 #23
Just like your post, telling others how you know better than they. Your condescending and jtuck004 Aug 2016 #24
That's not my paternalistic attitude, it's my bitch attitude. I don't let men rule my life, underahedgerow Aug 2016 #25
Lack of education, lack of options... Beartracks Aug 2016 #33
Wow. GaYellowDawg Sep 2016 #39
Kind of like how we tell people who support Trump that we know better than they do oberliner Sep 2016 #37
Wow. GaYellowDawg Sep 2016 #38
I think you missed the point. OldEurope Aug 2016 #17
Harsh IMO treestar Aug 2016 #26
I don't think that was his intent. backscatter712 Sep 2016 #42
I Only Regret That I Have But One rec to Give for your OP. Amimnoch Aug 2016 #10
So you think Cannes -a French city that celebrates diversity as all get-out- is run by bigots. randome Aug 2016 #12
Muggers never got more than a few dollars from me Warpy Aug 2016 #13
Burkinis SCVDem Aug 2016 #16
yes Angry Dragon Aug 2016 #18
I think we should ban banning things. n/t iscooterliberally Aug 2016 #19
Oh, that's NOT going to make you popular. Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #32
I think I live to defy those people. iscooterliberally Sep 2016 #41
Banning shit is the American Way.>>>> freebrew Sep 2016 #40
Good Idea, but may suggest that men leave the suits but wear neck ties everywhere... Stellar Aug 2016 #21
Or the opposite: ban neck blood flow restricters everywhere. Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2016 #27
Ban suits and ties Calculating Aug 2016 #22
Yes, get rid of suits, please! Have you ever had to wear one outside in Texas in the summer? Dustlawyer Aug 2016 #28
The tie is designed to cut off circulation to the brain... backscatter712 Sep 2016 #43
That's what happened to me! Now it all makes sense! Dustlawyer Sep 2016 #45
With a special emphasis awoke_in_2003 Aug 2016 #29
Remember when long hair on men was all but banned? WHEN CRABS ROAR Aug 2016 #30
I don't think we should tell people what to wear, but that logic does cut several ways. Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #31
Burkas are the symbol of religious oppression ErikJ Aug 2016 #34
It would be great if everyday was Hawaiian Shirt Friday davidn3600 Aug 2016 #35
The three piece suit is out of date anyway.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2016 #36
And the man in the suit has just bought a new car from the profit he made on your dreams. bluesbassman Sep 2016 #44

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
1. I don't think anyone should tell anybody else what to where but I also think that
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 11:47 AM
Aug 2016

should be universal.

I also prefer appeals to conscience over dictates of law.

Fritz Walter

(4,291 posts)
3. Agreed
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 12:25 PM
Aug 2016

If that includes
>Cargo shorts
>White after Labor Day
>Hats indoors
>Ballcaps (backwards)
And even pants half-way to one's knees. (I've always wanted to poke one of these guys and run away just to watch him run like a penguin).





Oh, and it's "...what to wear..."

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
15. I never understood the white after labor day
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 01:37 PM
Aug 2016

If you choose to bake wearing dark colors in So. Cal. where it will be in the hundreds until October, feel free.

I also like my cargo shorts.

I agree with the rest.

ananda

(28,856 posts)
4. I have always had a negative reaction to a man in a suit.
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 12:30 PM
Aug 2016

I had the feeling all they wanted to do was inhibit me
or cheat me out of something.

maxsolomon

(33,284 posts)
5. the Burkini Defenders are really tiresome at this point
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 12:35 PM
Aug 2016

the stupid French law was blatantly discriminatory, and it is no more. So why behave as if there's any possibility that such a foolish thing would occur in England or America? it won't, and you're not enlightening anyone who's enlightenable with your clever analogies.

all mandated/coercive religious garb for lay people is ridiculous. FLDS, Hutterite, Amish, Orthodox, Muslim, I don't care. ridiculous. the blatant misogyny embodied in the burqa/niqab is anachronistic and offensive.

I have to tolerate it; I don't have to like it.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
7. But men in suits is the main selling point in most commercials.
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 12:40 PM
Aug 2016

The guy running through the airport, yeah that could be you too! Busy busy, no time to chat too successful and late for a flight home to see the perfect kids in the perfect house. Now go buy the same deodorant Mr. Suit is wearing and you too can be this successful, important, in demand.

How can you take away one of commercialism's most recognizable uniforms?

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
9. Did this man just make the female burkini issue
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 12:53 PM
Aug 2016

about him? That seems typical.

The burkini issue is not about you, good sir. Mr. Henry Stewart. It's about the clothed oppression of Muslim women by Muslim men for religious purposes. In France, you take your damn skin covering beach attire off, or we'll force you to do it, because that's how not religious some places are.

It always has to be about men. Men, men, men. Men in suits. Henry here. His lost poundage. He probably looks great in a suit now.

underahedgerow

(1,232 posts)
11. Nailed it! ^^
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 01:12 PM
Aug 2016

Although to make a correction, the burka isn't about islam at all, it's a cultural appropriation to suppress and dominate women within a particular religion.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
20. They weren't oppressed until people started telling them what to,-or what not to - wear. Sounds
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 03:46 PM
Aug 2016

like you think you know better than they do as well...

“The most monstrous monster is the monster with noble feelings”
― Fyodor Dostoyevsky,

underahedgerow

(1,232 posts)
23. Another correction, they weren't oppressed until MEN started telling them what to do and
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 04:12 PM
Aug 2016

revoking any rights they ever had.

And this is harsh, but the reality is that you won't find any overly intelligent people allowing themselves to be enslaved by ridiculous ideals based on regressive notions and painted with the broad brush of religion. It's a sheep/herd crowd mentality. Not the best and brightest of humanity.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
24. Just like your post, telling others how you know better than they. Your condescending and
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 04:28 PM
Aug 2016

paternalistic attitude is what is harsh.

Frankly, I could hear this crap at a rally for the real estate swindler, so I'll let you use your words on someone else.

underahedgerow

(1,232 posts)
25. That's not my paternalistic attitude, it's my bitch attitude. I don't let men rule my life,
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 04:56 PM
Aug 2016

and I assume that any woman that does, isn't particularly intelligent.

Sometimes people don't know they have options until someone else tells them they do; then it's called education.



Beartracks

(12,806 posts)
33. Lack of education, lack of options...
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 08:12 PM
Aug 2016

... or lack of self-esteem are not the same thing as unintelligent.

======================

GaYellowDawg

(4,446 posts)
39. Wow.
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 05:58 AM
Sep 2016

If someone doesn't know they have options until someone else tells them they do, then they are not unintelligent. They are ignorant. You are obviously privileged enough to have had opportunities that many women around the world have not. Having contempt for them for their lack of power seems to me to be cruel, narrow-minded, and the antithesis of feminism.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
37. Kind of like how we tell people who support Trump that we know better than they do
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 05:33 AM
Sep 2016

And that his supporters are racists or idiots or dupes.

Is that not condescending and paternalistic?

GaYellowDawg

(4,446 posts)
38. Wow.
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 05:53 AM
Sep 2016
the reality is that you won't find any overly intelligent people allowing themselves to be enslaved by ridiculous ideals based on regressive notions and painted with the broad brush of religion. It's a sheep/herd crowd mentality. Not the best and brightest of humanity


People are generally most comfortable with what they're raised with. There are literally millions of people for whom the "ridiculous ideals" and "regressive notions" are their only experiences and are therefore their norms. Given that there are millions, there are probably a hell of a lot of them who are more intelligent than either of us and live their lives in a fashion that make them better and brighter than either of us. I think people who automatically assume that their viewpoint is inherently superior are rigid, inflexible, and... well... not overly intelligent.

OldEurope

(1,273 posts)
17. I think you missed the point.
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 02:15 PM
Aug 2016

The burkini issue is not about Mr. Henry Stuart, but neither is his writing. The issue is about men telling women what they can or cannot wear on a beach. I'm an elderly somewhat fat woman and I don't want to expose to much of my body. So, will the French force me to get out of my t-shirt and long skirt when I visit their beaches? Will they force orthodox jewish women to get rid of their beachwear wich has also long sleeves and trousers under a skirt and sort of a scarf (because the wigs they usually wear are not practical with salt water)?
Funny, how they never want to force the male islamists to get rid of their beards and traditional outfit. Saudi women shall not wear their traditional outfit, when visiting Germany. But the men are allowed to keep theirs. Why? I tell you: Some European men think that they can easily win some voters when they bully muslim women, but they refrain from bullying the men because those have power and oil and money and they are boys, you know.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
26. Harsh IMO
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 04:59 PM
Aug 2016

He was not making it about him but about clothing and who wears what and what causes harm. And why banning types of clothing is silly.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
42. I don't think that was his intent.
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 03:32 PM
Sep 2016

He was pointing out that he had more harm done to him by some jackass in a suit and tie, than by anyone wearing a burqa, hijab, or burqini, thus driving home the point that telling grown women what they are and aren't allowed to wear is idiotic.

It's insane to ban burqinis. It's equally insane to require them.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
12. So you think Cannes -a French city that celebrates diversity as all get-out- is run by bigots.
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 01:18 PM
Aug 2016

Do you really think it's that simple?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]There is nothing you can't do if you put your mind to it.
Nothing.
[/center][/font][hr]

Warpy

(111,237 posts)
13. Muggers never got more than a few dollars from me
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 01:28 PM
Aug 2016

Those guys in suits have robbed me of well over seven figures in paychecks and stock market crashes over my lifetime. I barely fear the Jonesing addict who needs money for his daily supply of whatever he's addicted to, I understand him and although I'd prefer to be asked, I don't usually begrudge him the few dollars in my pocket.

That guy in the suit who keeps wages down, prices high, and the banks teetering on the edge of disaster is something else. He doesn't want my few dollars of spending money. He won't be happy until he gets everything.

Besides, they keep the AC in the courthouse set so that they're comfy in those damned suits. I have to wear a heavy cardigan to go to jury duty. In August. In the desert.

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
16. Burkinis
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 01:39 PM
Aug 2016

Taking America back to the late 19th and early 20th century.

I just have a problem with the beekeeper suit.

iscooterliberally

(2,860 posts)
41. I think I live to defy those people.
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 01:05 PM
Sep 2016

How does the saying go? Everything I like is either illegal, immoral or fattening?

freebrew

(1,917 posts)
40. Banning shit is the American Way.>>>>
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 10:39 AM
Sep 2016

especially banning shit that helps deal with the
life the guys in suits have foisted upon us.

Stellar

(5,644 posts)
21. Good Idea, but may suggest that men leave the suits but wear neck ties everywhere...
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 03:50 PM
Aug 2016

...even with swimming trunks. That should make them feel....comfortable.

Calculating

(2,955 posts)
22. Ban suits and ties
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 03:50 PM
Aug 2016

Hell yeah. No reason at all to waste money and time on some antiquated and unnecessary cultural formalities.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
28. Yes, get rid of suits, please! Have you ever had to wear one outside in Texas in the summer?
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 06:24 PM
Aug 2016

Its the most ridiculous clothing ever! What's up with ties, they are like a mid-evil torture device.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
43. The tie is designed to cut off circulation to the brain...
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 03:34 PM
Sep 2016

...thus creating the behavior you see from those wearing suits and ties, especially in middle management and the executive caste.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
29. With a special emphasis
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 06:46 PM
Aug 2016

on the silly trend in suit pants these days- super tight and hemmed way too high. Along with the man bun, it is the most ridiculous look ever (even more than bell bottoms)

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
31. I don't think we should tell people what to wear, but that logic does cut several ways.
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 07:00 PM
Aug 2016

Unfortunately some of the same people freaking out over the burkini ban don't think women should be allowed to wear bathing suits on the cover of Sports Illustrated, etc.


 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
34. Burkas are the symbol of religious oppression
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 08:17 PM
Aug 2016

They are stupid and disgusting. 30 years ago in Iraq the women wore regular Western clothes as their preference. Now after Homini they all have to wear burkas. Fundamentalism is evil.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
36. The three piece suit is out of date anyway....
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 12:19 AM
Sep 2016

Watch an old episode of Bewitched and realize there is very little difference between a suit then and now.



Why are we keeping this look going in the 21st century?

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