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Skinner

(63,645 posts)
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 02:40 PM Aug 2012

Pay what you want. Pay how you want. Becoming a DU Star Member is now much easier.

This discussion thread was locked by Skinner (a host of the Announcements group).

Late last year when we moved into our new software, we also changed the way people could become paid subscribers. For the first ten years of this website's existence we called it a donation and you could pay whatever you wanted. Starting in December of last year we stopped taking "donations" and instead asked members to purchase a subscription at a fixed price. We had a number of reasons for making that change, but to us the most important was that Democratic Underground was not (and had never been) a non-profit charitable organization, and the "donations" we received were not tax deductible. The "donations" received did not go to any charitable purpose other than to pay our expenses and our own salaries. So over time we had come to feel that using the word "donation" was perhaps not completely appropriate.

So, for the last nine months, we have been giving members the opportunity to purchase Star Memberships at a fixed price. And it has worked more-or-less how we expected it to work. We knew fewer people would purchase these memberships because (for some) a fixed price represented a greater expense. In terms of Democratic Underground's bottom line, it was basically a wash: Our income from member subscriptions went down, while our income from advertising went up. But there has been one enormous problem with the new approach: There are many people in this community who clearly want to become Star Members but who feel they cannot afford it. The DU Administrators have spent months discussing this issue, and have considered dozens of possible ideas to make memberships more affordable including tiered subscriptions or subsidized subscriptions or special senior rates or whatever. But every time we had a new idea, we kept coming back to the idea of just letting everyone pay whatever you want to pay.

So, the new price to become a Democratic Underground Star Member is: Whatever you want to pay.

The DU Administrators have read all of your concerns and complaints about our fixed-price subscriptions, and this new "pay-what-you-want" approach should address those concerns. Ability to pay should no longer be an obstacle to becoming a DU Star Member. You can sign up for a recurring monthly subscription, a recurring annual subscription, or a one-time online payment. Or you can even print out a form and send us a few bucks through the U.S. Postal Service. You pay whatever and however you want to pay.

The DU Administrators feel very positive about this change, but we are admittedly a little bit concerned about what it may mean for our bottom line. If this new pay-what-you-want subscription system leads to a significant drop in our overall revenue, then we will be looking for ways to cover the deficit. The most likely thing would be to bring back the quarterly fund drives like we used to do. Hopefully it will not come to that.

So, if you are not currently a DU Star Member, we hope that you will take this opportunity to become one. We want every DU member who wants to become a Star Member to have the opportunity to become one. Just click this link to get started:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/star

If you do become a Star Member, your status as a member will last for one full year from the day you pay for the subscription. So whether you are paying monthly or yearly or by check, you will always know that your member status lasts for one year after your most recent payment. (This is how member status worked back under our old donation system.)


SPECIAL MESSAGE FOR EXISTING STAR MEMBERS

There are obviously many of you who purchased Star Memberships over the last eight months for the fixed-price. If so, thank you! You may be wondering what will happen to your subscription... You will continue as a Star Member at the rate you already signed up for, recurring at the time period you agreed to. Payments will continue to be charged. In addition, your status as a member will last for (at least) one year after your most recent payment. If you would like to cancel your recurring payment, you can log into PayPal and cancel it. If you would like to change your recurring payment, the easiest thing to do would be to long into PayPal and cancel it, and then sign up for a new subscription on Democratic Underground. If you would like a full or partial refund of payments you have already made to DU, please send an email with the details of your request -- we will do our best to honor any/all such requests, provided we have the funds to do so.

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Pay what you want. Pay how you want. Becoming a DU Star Member is now much easier. (Original Post) Skinner Aug 2012 OP
great! I was having trouble with PayPal.... mike_c Aug 2012 #1
I had problems too. Control-Z Aug 2012 #22
Same here. kentuck Aug 2012 #74
I ended up going directly to Control-Z Aug 2012 #81
You guys are to be congratulated Stinky The Clown Aug 2012 #2
Cool, many thanks! FSogol Aug 2012 #3
Tbank you so much! This makes it so much easier! freshwest Aug 2012 #4
Insofar as they did not become popularity contests and the word "twunt" was not directed at me XemaSab Aug 2012 #5
Twunt? n/t Control-Z Aug 2012 #27
Google is your friend (J/K) NYC_SKP Aug 2012 #52
Oops! lol Control-Z Aug 2012 #80
Oops- It's not "twit"... NYC_SKP Aug 2012 #95
hahaha Control-Z Aug 2012 #139
I agree... CJCRANE Aug 2012 #38
what a twent.... mike_c Aug 2012 #98
I never minded them, either. MineralMan Aug 2012 #101
Thanks for posting this information. liberal N proud Aug 2012 #6
Thank you so much. I've been "star free" since March and haven't felt good about it. myrna minx Aug 2012 #7
Hi, myrna minx..... Curmudgeoness Aug 2012 #130
Hey there! myrna minx Aug 2012 #167
I'm alive and kicking. Curmudgeoness Aug 2012 #187
If any single person complains about a single sentence you wrote.. snooper2 Aug 2012 #8
Can we also donate stars, like we used to do????????? dixiegrrrrl Aug 2012 #9
oh I didn't catch that, just assumed - I echo this question! Kali Aug 2012 #17
Currently we do not provide the option for members to give star memberships to other DU members. Skinner Aug 2012 #31
that is probably a good point Kali Aug 2012 #50
Almost affordable for anyone. Wait Wut Aug 2012 #61
i need to drink where you do mcctatas Aug 2012 #158
+1 Tunkamerica Aug 2012 #165
Yeah, I went into shock when... Wait Wut Aug 2012 #176
Fix that please. I went to gift someone, and couldn't. nt onehandle Aug 2012 #183
Check post 173 below. (Pun intended.) 2ndAmForComputers Aug 2012 #175
Skinner, is there not a minimum for a year as opposed to continuning? Lint Head Aug 2012 #10
staying classy, as usual. grantcart Aug 2012 #11
My thoughts exactly. Great job Skinner, to all of you. n/t Greybnk48 Aug 2012 #40
I tried to pay but I'm not sure it went through gollygee Aug 2012 #12
It does not appear to have gone through. Elad Aug 2012 #49
Ok, thanks gollygee Aug 2012 #51
OK it worked that time gollygee Aug 2012 #55
Mine too. OrwellwasRight Aug 2012 #151
thank you! Kali Aug 2012 #13
I so agree Kali. juajen Aug 2012 #147
i am glad you did this. barbtries Aug 2012 #14
Thanks, Skinner! highplainsdem Aug 2012 #15
Thanks, fellas. enlightenment Aug 2012 #16
I'm very happy with this announcement. ellisonz Aug 2012 #18
done TrogL Aug 2012 #19
Thanks Guys....I have missed my star, but it was just not in the budget. I can work with this. Lochloosa Aug 2012 #20
Looks like you have covered all concerns. JNelson6563 Aug 2012 #21
Thank you. Done! n/t livetohike Aug 2012 #23
Thanks, this will help. immoderate Aug 2012 #24
Recommended pricing? SpankMe Aug 2012 #25
I agree - need suggested amounts like we used to have. Also, on quarterly fund drive, couldn't we patricia92243 Aug 2012 #168
Thank you so much. Lindsay Aug 2012 #26
I am glad DU went back to the pay-what-you-want format bigwillq Aug 2012 #28
A step in the right direction LiberalFighter Aug 2012 #29
Look at that I got my star back. Yippee!! LiberalFighter Aug 2012 #33
There is a credit card provider klook Aug 2012 #94
Does this also mean we can go back to sponsoring other people's stars? William769 Aug 2012 #30
see #31 Kali Aug 2012 #59
Thanks for directing me to that. William769 Aug 2012 #60
This is excellent! cyberswede Aug 2012 #32
Yayy! This is great! Vanje Aug 2012 #34
Proving that Democrats have hearts Generic Other Aug 2012 #35
I am now a proud Gold Star member of DU ailsagirl Aug 2012 #36
That's cool dipsydoodle Aug 2012 #37
Done. Thank you for doing this! Kaleva Aug 2012 #39
I'm glad that I don't have to deal with the whole $42 vs. $60 issue. Renew Deal Aug 2012 #41
That and not having to create a paypal account etherealtruth Aug 2012 #185
Thank you, Skinner & Admins! MadrasT Aug 2012 #42
Love the big yellow ANNOUNCEMENT banner too! Thank you for making it easy for geezers to stay MADem Aug 2012 #43
Your responsiveness is to be commended, Skinner steve2470 Aug 2012 #44
I used to regularly pay for a star. StrictlyRockers Aug 2012 #45
I just purchased one year. Would like an email reminder when it expires PuppyBismark Aug 2012 #46
wow.... I always have felt Bluerthanblue Aug 2012 #47
Very cool of ya'll to do this! RedStateLiberal Aug 2012 #48
Thanks LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #53
Thank you!!! n/t RKP5637 Aug 2012 #54
Since you have just eliminated what was an overwhelmiong negative, truedelphi Aug 2012 #56
Skinner, This is a powerful reminder of how amazing you guys are at listening and responding to DUer suffragette Aug 2012 #57
Nicely done and glad to do it. russspeakeasy Aug 2012 #58
Thank you! n/t Raine1967 Aug 2012 #62
I think this "sliding scale fee" is a great idea Lifelong Protester Aug 2012 #63
Thanks Gemini Cat Aug 2012 #64
This is wonderful. Thank you SO... YvonneCa Aug 2012 #65
What was so wrong with the 'fund drives'? jannyk Aug 2012 #66
Passionately loved the hearts. BUT... aquart Aug 2012 #70
Agreed. It made us feel like a 'community'. jannyk Aug 2012 #84
Now get rid of that NRA ad ASAP! Botany Aug 2012 #67
Race you to the jacuzzi! suffragette Aug 2012 #68
I'll get the drinks and snacks Botany Aug 2012 #71
"I mean who will stop me and my gold star?" ellisonz Aug 2012 #85
and 'specially off the fucking lawn! lonestarnot Aug 2012 #148
Some good music and we'll be set! suffragette Aug 2012 #152
Got it covered Botany Aug 2012 #154
Oh, my, my, my suffragette Aug 2012 #157
Thanks, Skinner. I recently did a lot of soul-searching before renewing, not because I don't want gkhouston Aug 2012 #69
done and thank you for DU I start my day w/ this ! april Aug 2012 #72
Thank you! Lugnut Aug 2012 #73
YAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAY DainBramaged Aug 2012 #75
I'm commenting veganlush Aug 2012 #76
ok, i guess its been a year veganlush Aug 2012 #78
Outstanding! rug Aug 2012 #77
8 hours after I paid for another year, LOL. But seriously, that's awesome. MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #79
What do you think they were waiting for? grantcart Aug 2012 #110
Well, that certainly helps my inferiority complex, thanks! nt MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #118
Anytime. But if you really want to feel bad you are going to have to call Cliffordu. grantcart Aug 2012 #122
Then I will continue to "pay-what-you-want". Hugin Aug 2012 #82
Thanks for doing this ... bayareaboy Aug 2012 #83
Thank you! I have missed my star - just donated what I could afford vademocrat Aug 2012 #86
Well played, Sir. Well Played. aikoaiko Aug 2012 #87
AW! I am SO happy to see this. Raffi Ella Aug 2012 #88
Best move of the day! Panasonic Aug 2012 #89
dammit, I just re-upped at full price and I could have done so for a buck two fiddy! Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #90
Cheapskate! I gave a buck three-eighty. MineralMan Aug 2012 #100
Thanks! I made a contribution, and will MineralMan Aug 2012 #91
I had a feeling it would come to this. In fact I predicted it just yesterday. Thanks. nt onehandle Aug 2012 #92
Much appreciated! Zero Division Aug 2012 #93
Brilliant klook Aug 2012 #96
Thanks Skinner! lunatica Aug 2012 #97
Woohoo!11!!!1 Permanut Aug 2012 #99
That is very generous of you. I just renewed a week or so ago and think that amount is fair for me. corkhead Aug 2012 #102
Thank you, Skinner supernova Aug 2012 #103
Thanks, it will also make it easier Warpy Aug 2012 #104
Good. Glad you did it, it is definitely a step in a right (left?:) direction. inna Aug 2012 #105
You guys! That's the greatest, and I support this move 100%. Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #106
You guys are the absolute best! pacalo Aug 2012 #107
Wow, great timing! a2liberal Aug 2012 #108
Happy dancing!! mrs_p Aug 2012 #109
This is great. LiberalAndProud Aug 2012 #111
Excellent! Now how about using ActBlue instead of Paypal? eridani Aug 2012 #112
I'm very pleased about this. Thank you! yardwork Aug 2012 #113
Thank you, Skinner. greatauntoftriplets Aug 2012 #114
Thanks Skinner n/t Bonhomme Richard Aug 2012 #115
Lost my star last week but will renew as soon as funds are available. Snarkoleptic Aug 2012 #116
I know I've told you this before... pacalo Aug 2012 #134
Thanks! Snarkoleptic Aug 2012 #155
Thanks! I consider DU to be my news center -- can't imagine having LuckyLib Aug 2012 #117
Great! skamaria Aug 2012 #119
Too easy to support such a great site. Aerows Aug 2012 #120
I just "reupped" Johnny Noshoes Aug 2012 #121
This is wonderful news. Thank you admins (Skinner, EarlG, and Elad)! Grateful for Hope Aug 2012 #123
Thank you so much, Skinner. Paka Aug 2012 #124
Greetings, Paka ailsagirl Aug 2012 #132
Yippee!!! Grovelbot may be back. Curmudgeoness Aug 2012 #125
Hellofa business model, Skinner pscot Aug 2012 #126
Thank goodness ismnotwasm Aug 2012 #127
Thanks, Skinner mvd Aug 2012 #128
Thank you....makes me feel a whole lot better to be able to 'donate' something....you guys rock! nt snappyturtle Aug 2012 #129
Wow! Excellent news! You guys are absolutely wonderful! scarletwoman Aug 2012 #131
I just got home from a hellacious day in traffic to see this--this is TREMENDOUS! Thank you Skinner hlthe2b Aug 2012 #133
Love this! Politicub Aug 2012 #135
Thanks so much for your thoughtful reconsideration of the subscription issue. northoftheborder Aug 2012 #136
WooooHooooo Astazia Aug 2012 #137
My renewal check will be in the mail catchnrelease Aug 2012 #138
Thank you Deb Aug 2012 #140
Are we going to have the donation "contests" tavalon Aug 2012 #141
Good Idea! burrowowl Aug 2012 #142
Thanks for coming to a smarter conclusion. sarcasmo Aug 2012 #143
I think having periodic drives like they used to would also be a good idea, where when you still_one Aug 2012 #144
You guys totally rock! Thank you for changing that! IndyJones Aug 2012 #145
Well thanks for that Skinner. zeemike Aug 2012 #146
kick for later davidwparker Aug 2012 #149
I would like to pay in bantam roosters. Please advise how many would be appropriate, thank you. Robb Aug 2012 #150
what you got against crackpots? Riftaxe Aug 2012 #161
Thanks. . . Journeyman Aug 2012 #153
Is it just me? Why Syzygy Aug 2012 #156
Thank you. emilyg Aug 2012 #159
Very much appreciated! Riftaxe Aug 2012 #160
You guys are totally awesome! Hatchling Aug 2012 #162
Does this mean that purchasing a star for other members will be possible again? Rhiannon12866 Aug 2012 #163
I appreciate this... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2012 #164
Thanks JonLP24 Aug 2012 #166
THANKYOU! turtlerescue1 Aug 2012 #169
Skinner, I really appreciate that! Thanks! :) Javaman Aug 2012 #170
Now that's democratic, and democratic is good. Bravo! Zorra Aug 2012 #171
Fantastic! Ms. Toad Aug 2012 #172
If I mail you a check... 2ndAmForComputers Aug 2012 #173
We don't cross-reference the name on the check with the name on the account. Skinner Aug 2012 #174
Has Grovelbot's unemployment insur. run out yet? dixiegrrrrl Aug 2012 #177
Wow, Thanks guys! I loved the old system when it was in place... Ghost in the Machine Aug 2012 #178
I think you guys should still use the quarterly fund drive RedEarth Aug 2012 #179
Thank you! One Voice Aug 2012 #180
Please bring the fund drives back Duer 157099 Aug 2012 #181
Sounds good and gives me a chance to donate now. Rex Aug 2012 #182
If I want to purchase star memberships for people that can't afford it Broderick Aug 2012 #184
Here's the official answer: Ms. Toad Aug 2012 #186
Thank you Tindalos Aug 2012 #188
Of course now that I've bought a star, you announce this! OmahaBlueDog Aug 2012 #189
Paypal is asking for too much info Beaverhausen Aug 2012 #190
How about a two-tier donation-based charity-share system? shanen Aug 2012 #191
Thank you. I've been gone, came to read about Isaac and found this. WONDERFUL!!!! uppityperson Aug 2012 #192
Will do on Tuesday. madashelltoo Aug 2012 #193
Very Kind of You IrishAyes Feb 2013 #194
You can learn about star memberships here cyberswede Feb 2013 #195
Post removed Post removed Mar 2013 #196
My subscription expires when?? fadedrose Aug 2013 #197
Here cyberswede Aug 2013 #198
Thank you fadedrose Aug 2013 #199
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #200
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mike_c

(36,214 posts)
1. great! I was having trouble with PayPal....
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 02:43 PM
Aug 2012

No worries making the donation, PayPal just wouldn't accept it! Thanks for providing an alternative!

Control-Z

(15,681 posts)
22. I had problems too.
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 02:53 PM
Aug 2012

I tried to sign up without using Paypal but it wouldn't work because it recognized my email I think. So I tried signing up through Paypal and it took THREE different tries over about a 30 day period before it finally took!! lol.

kentuck

(110,950 posts)
74. Same here.
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 03:57 PM
Aug 2012

Paypal would not work because of previous card use and did not recognize password? I guess I will wait a few days and see how much someone has charged on my credit card? I tried about 3 times. I simply don't trust the Internet with cash or credit card transactions. Everytime I have done it, my card has been compromised. Not with DU , but with other vendors and products.

Control-Z

(15,681 posts)
81. I ended up going directly to
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 04:09 PM
Aug 2012

my Paypal account and changing everything; credit card, password (I couldn't remember it anyway). Resetting everything there seemed to help.

Stinky The Clown

(67,697 posts)
2. You guys are to be congratulated
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 02:44 PM
Aug 2012

I hope you suffer no loss of income and that, by goodwill and many more members spending less than they would have had to, your revenue goes up, not down.

FSogol

(45,360 posts)
3. Cool, many thanks!
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 02:44 PM
Aug 2012

And keep up the good work.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
4. Tbank you so much! This makes it so much easier!
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 02:44 PM
Aug 2012

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
5. Insofar as they did not become popularity contests and the word "twunt" was not directed at me
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 02:44 PM
Aug 2012

I liked the quarterly fund drives.

Control-Z

(15,681 posts)
27. Twunt? n/t
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 02:55 PM
Aug 2012
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
52. Google is your friend (J/K)
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 03:18 PM
Aug 2012

I googled it.

Seems to be of British origin.

Combination of Twit and another word that shall not be spoken.

I could be wrong.

Control-Z

(15,681 posts)
80. Oops! lol
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 04:07 PM
Aug 2012

Thanks for filling me in. I guess I could have/should have googled it. I think I was thinking it would be a new exclusive DU term and not yet out there. My lazy butt.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
95. Oops- It's not "twit"...
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 04:28 PM
Aug 2012

It's a different "T" word that I shall NOT repeat!

Control-Z

(15,681 posts)
139. hahaha
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 08:10 PM
Aug 2012

Got it.

Who comes up with this kind of insult? As if the words weren't enough on their own.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
38. I agree...
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 03:05 PM
Aug 2012

It was pay-what-you-want plus quarterly fund drives on the old DU and that seemed to work quite well.

mike_c

(36,214 posts)
98. what a twent....
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 04:36 PM
Aug 2012

Derp.

MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
101. I never minded them, either.
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 04:46 PM
Aug 2012

I almost always donated for each one.

liberal N proud

(60,302 posts)
6. Thanks for posting this information.
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 02:45 PM
Aug 2012

Those ads have only been bothering me for 1 day and I can't stand it.

myrna minx

(22,772 posts)
7. Thank you so much. I've been "star free" since March and haven't felt good about it.
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 02:45 PM
Aug 2012

This is great news.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
130. Hi, myrna minx.....
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 07:15 PM
Aug 2012


Guess what I am getting ready to do.

Then I will celebrate!!!!!!

myrna minx

(22,772 posts)
167. Hey there!
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 06:45 AM
Aug 2012

Good to see you! I hope you're well, Curmudgeoness.

I'm so pleased with their decision - I'll have a shiny new star in my next pay period!

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
187. I'm alive and kicking.
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 07:40 PM
Aug 2012

And look at that star!!!!!! I intended on holding out until the class system was gone, and I did. I love DU more than ever now.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
8. If any single person complains about a single sentence you wrote..
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 02:46 PM
Aug 2012

do I have permission to


Thanks by the way!

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
9. Can we also donate stars, like we used to do?????????
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 02:46 PM
Aug 2012

This change is a much more practical way of meeting member's needs, I believe.

Kali

(54,990 posts)
17. oh I didn't catch that, just assumed - I echo this question!
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 02:50 PM
Aug 2012

can we donate for others now?

Skinner

(63,645 posts)
31. Currently we do not provide the option for members to give star memberships to other DU members.
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 03:00 PM
Aug 2012

The price of a Star Membership is now affordable for anyone. If someone wants a Star Membership, they are able to get one.

We may reconsider whether to provide this option in the future.

Kali

(54,990 posts)
50. that is probably a good point
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 03:16 PM
Aug 2012

I know there are some trolls who think it is funny to get somebody to by them a star while they are actually posting nasty shit about DU elswere on the tubes - better for even a dollar to come out of their own pockets.

most people can swing a couple of bucks and if not we can work to help if really needed

I just thank you for making the price change - it was truly a hardship for many.

Wait Wut

(8,492 posts)
61. Almost affordable for anyone.
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 03:34 PM
Aug 2012

I know we have several unemployed DUers here. What if we make a 'Donated Star Membership' a flat rate of like $20? I'd gladly pay that for some people. That's only 4 gin and tonics if you include the tip.

I figure you'd have to do some math to figure out how much each unstarred member is worth in advertising dollars and then add $5 to that number to find a flat rate that would still buy your kids dinner.

I also like the idea of a 'suggested' donation. Whenever I make a donation seeing the options from $5 to $100 I almost always end up giving more than I intended. Those little buttons are so easy to click. What's another $10 bucks, right? Two more gin and tonics.

mcctatas

(13,755 posts)
158. i need to drink where you do
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 12:06 AM
Aug 2012

I think we were paying $6 a piece last weekend (of course we order ours in pint glasses)

Tunkamerica

(4,444 posts)
165. +1
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 05:22 AM
Aug 2012

I only drink that cheap at weddings

Wait Wut

(8,492 posts)
176. Yeah, I went into shock when...
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 11:51 AM
Aug 2012

...I was charged $13 for a really crappy, small gin and tonic in San Diego. The bartender was a real ass, as well, so I asked if that included his tip. He wasn't amused.

I live in a smallish town with a lot of borderline dive bars (with some really good live music, including the husband ). Competition is pretty fierce so the average is about $3 a drink and I tip well. Occasionally, my bartenders will slip me a Tanqueray because they love me.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
183. Fix that please. I went to gift someone, and couldn't. nt
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 05:44 PM
Aug 2012

2ndAmForComputers

(3,527 posts)
175. Check post 173 below. (Pun intended.)
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 11:13 AM
Aug 2012

Lint Head

(15,064 posts)
10. Skinner, is there not a minimum for a year as opposed to continuning?
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 02:46 PM
Aug 2012

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
11. staying classy, as usual.
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 02:46 PM
Aug 2012

Greybnk48

(10,148 posts)
40. My thoughts exactly. Great job Skinner, to all of you. n/t
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 03:06 PM
Aug 2012

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
12. I tried to pay but I'm not sure it went through
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 02:47 PM
Aug 2012

I got a message telling me to log back in over and over, but it was after I put in my credit card information so I'm not sure.

Elad

(11,395 posts)
49. It does not appear to have gone through.
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 03:16 PM
Aug 2012

If you're making a one time payment you don't have to login, just click the box that says you want to pay as a guest when you get to the Paypal screen.

If you're signing up for a recurring subscription, you'll need to login - might just need to try again.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
51. Ok, thanks
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 03:17 PM
Aug 2012

I'll try again

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
55. OK it worked that time
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 03:21 PM
Aug 2012

yay

OrwellwasRight

(5,170 posts)
151. Mine too.
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 10:17 PM
Aug 2012

PayPal says I have paid but DU says nope.

Kali

(54,990 posts)
13. thank you!
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 02:47 PM
Aug 2012

and for what it is worth, I have no problem with fund drives - they are a nice diversion, especially the ones where we can buy hearts or whatever for other members.

If revenues are ok with the switch consider doing the drives anyway for charities like we did for Planned Parenthood and have done for Feeding America.

thanks for making this change, I really think it helps build community

juajen

(8,515 posts)
147. I so agree Kali.
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 09:50 PM
Aug 2012

Community is what it is always about. I feel a sense of belonging and comfort when I click on. Thanks guys. I like this.

barbtries

(28,702 posts)
14. i am glad you did this.
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 02:47 PM
Aug 2012

i really like just paying at the time - the only auto payment i have is to netflix.
by the way i never minded the fund drives. i liked the hearts and the sticky notes and all that.

highplainsdem

(48,731 posts)
15. Thanks, Skinner!
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 02:47 PM
Aug 2012

enlightenment

(8,830 posts)
16. Thanks, fellas.
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 02:49 PM
Aug 2012

My opinion? A wise and obviously carefully considered decision.

I sincerely hope that the change to the old form will prove a wash for you (in a good way) - that the decrease in the size of the subscription will be cancelled out by an increase in the quantity of donations.

Thank you again.

ellisonz

(27,709 posts)
18. I'm very happy with this announcement.
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 02:52 PM
Aug 2012

I think the old system was in no small part what made this community strong. Thank you for making this change.

TrogL

(32,818 posts)
19. done
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 02:52 PM
Aug 2012

Lochloosa

(16,019 posts)
20. Thanks Guys....I have missed my star, but it was just not in the budget. I can work with this.
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 02:52 PM
Aug 2012

JNelson6563

(28,151 posts)
21. Looks like you have covered all concerns.
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 02:52 PM
Aug 2012

A very well thought out response to all the concerns raised. Well done you guys.

Julie

livetohike

(22,084 posts)
23. Thank you. Done! n/t
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 02:53 PM
Aug 2012
 

immoderate

(20,885 posts)
24. Thanks, this will help.
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 02:53 PM
Aug 2012

--imm

SpankMe

(2,937 posts)
25. Recommended pricing?
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 02:54 PM
Aug 2012

My star membership expired, but I didn't know it and wasn't notified (that I can recall). I'll renew it now.

I can't give a large amount, but I'm not short on cash, either.

So, I'd like to propose that you establish a very short menu of "recommended" dues. Select what you think a nominal, fair membership fee would be and state it on the payment page.

Are you thinking $20/year? Two or three dollars per month? What would be your guidelines?

patricia92243

(12,590 posts)
168. I agree - need suggested amounts like we used to have. Also, on quarterly fund drive, couldn't we
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 08:08 AM
Aug 2012

already give what we wanted. And, naturally, we could pay at any other time beside the fund drives. I don't see any difference from what we had.

Will there be a permanent, easy way to access the payment feature since we won't be having fund raising reminders? Maybe a pinned link at the beginning of each main discussion.

Also, the fund drives were fun - valentines, etc.

Lindsay

(3,276 posts)
26. Thank you so much.
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 02:54 PM
Aug 2012

The fixed annual membership was beyond my budget, and while I understood the need on DU's end, it was disappointing for me not to be able to afford to contribute.

(I thought the fund drives were usually pretty fun, though.)

Thanks again for all your hard work.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
28. I am glad DU went back to the pay-what-you-want format
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 02:57 PM
Aug 2012

I will likely donate soon.

LiberalFighter

(50,504 posts)
29. A step in the right direction
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 02:57 PM
Aug 2012

Really really really really don't like PayPal. I don't like any 3rd party having my credit card info in their database.

Maybe include something along the line the amount that is hoped to receive from each person with some people not being able to and others can contribute more.

LiberalFighter

(50,504 posts)
33. Look at that I got my star back. Yippee!!
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 03:01 PM
Aug 2012

klook

(12,134 posts)
94. There is a credit card provider
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 04:27 PM
Aug 2012

(maybe more than one) that offers the option of secure online account numbers -- real cc #s that you can use one time without revealing your permanent acct #. I've used this option to shield my acct no.

An added benefit is that if one of these cc #s gets hacked, it's easy to pinpoint which vendor's db was compromised.

William769

(55,124 posts)
30. Does this also mean we can go back to sponsoring other people's stars?
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 02:58 PM
Aug 2012

That would be really nice!

William769

(55,124 posts)
60. Thanks for directing me to that.
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 03:32 PM
Aug 2012

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
32. This is excellent!
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 03:01 PM
Aug 2012

And I'd like to echo what someone else said in this thread - the fund drives were a fun diversion, and if they help your bottom line, I think it would be great to have something like that available again.

Nice work, fellas!

Vanje

(9,766 posts)
34. Yayy! This is great!
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 03:01 PM
Aug 2012

Thank you ! Thank you! Thank you !

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
35. Proving that Democrats have hearts
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 03:02 PM
Aug 2012

You are a pretty good guy, Skinner. Elad and EarlG too.



ailsagirl

(22,842 posts)
36. I am now a proud Gold Star member of DU
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 03:03 PM
Aug 2012

Thanks to your new policy.

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
37. That's cool
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 03:03 PM
Aug 2012

Kaleva

(36,147 posts)
39. Done. Thank you for doing this!
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 03:05 PM
Aug 2012

Renew Deal

(81,802 posts)
41. I'm glad that I don't have to deal with the whole $42 vs. $60 issue.
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 03:06 PM
Aug 2012

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
185. That and not having to create a paypal account
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 06:27 PM
Aug 2012

Ah it feels good to be a star member again

MadrasT

(7,237 posts)
42. Thank you, Skinner & Admins!
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 03:06 PM
Aug 2012

MADem

(135,425 posts)
43. Love the big yellow ANNOUNCEMENT banner too! Thank you for making it easy for geezers to stay
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 03:08 PM
Aug 2012

current!!!

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
44. Your responsiveness is to be commended, Skinner
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 03:08 PM
Aug 2012

Last edited Wed Aug 22, 2012, 08:30 AM - Edit history (1)

I'm confident that between the new system and *possibly* quarterly fund drives, we can help DU stay afloat. Thanks for responding to the concerns of our members.

StrictlyRockers

(3,854 posts)
45. I used to regularly pay for a star.
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 03:09 PM
Aug 2012

I have not for sevearl years. I was irked at how unfair the method of censorship seemed to me. I wanted a place for alternative theories to be discussed openly. I didn't like the way the dungeon set up. It didn't feel right.

I am pleased with the changes. I can in good consience donate to DU again. Expect me to be a regular contributor again.

You rock, Skinner! Well played, my man. Well played.

PuppyBismark

(593 posts)
46. I just purchased one year. Would like an email reminder when it expires
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 03:10 PM
Aug 2012

I use one time credit card numbers, don't like to have cc number in other databases, so if you send me a reminder next year, I will gladly pay again.

Keep up the good work.

Bluerthanblue

(13,669 posts)
47. wow.... I always have felt
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 03:11 PM
Aug 2012

that this place was different from any other web-site I've encountered in my life. This kind of attitude only confirms it.

Thank you so much Skinner and all - Being part of this community has been a real blessing.




~blu

RedStateLiberal

(1,374 posts)
48. Very cool of ya'll to do this!
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 03:15 PM
Aug 2012


With star membership being affordable, perhaps more will participate to get value for their payment.

I'm guessing that a few of the more generous DUers could make up for any losses in revenue. (hint hint)

LadyHawkAZ

(6,199 posts)
53. Thanks
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 03:19 PM
Aug 2012

If you run short, I'm sure we'd all be happy to see Grovelbot on the job again.

RKP5637

(67,032 posts)
54. Thank you!!! n/t
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 03:20 PM
Aug 2012

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
56. Since you have just eliminated what was an overwhelmiong negative,
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 03:21 PM
Aug 2012

My household will soon be subscribing. I think overall DU will be better for this new policy.

For me, it wasn't the amount asked - it was that the amount got divided up over 12 months. Then it could hit someone's account the one moment six months down the road when the checking account was near empty. That action could incur tens if not hundreds of dollars over the membership price for NSF fees - all to go into the coffers of one of our nation's lovely banks or credit unions.

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
57. Skinner, This is a powerful reminder of how amazing you guys are at listening and responding to DUer
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 03:23 PM
Aug 2012

input and concerns.
Absolutely applaud you for it:

russspeakeasy

(6,539 posts)
58. Nicely done and glad to do it.
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 03:27 PM
Aug 2012

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
62. Thank you! n/t
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 03:34 PM
Aug 2012

Lifelong Protester

(8,421 posts)
63. I think this "sliding scale fee" is a great idea
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 03:37 PM
Aug 2012

I know you are not calling it that, but in essence, it is an honor system sliding scale pay what you can plan.

Thank you for all your hard work. This site is really, REALLY, appreciated.

Gemini Cat

(2,820 posts)
64. Thanks
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 03:41 PM
Aug 2012

This is much appreciated.

YvonneCa

(10,117 posts)
65. This is wonderful. Thank you SO...
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 03:42 PM
Aug 2012

...much, Skinner. I will renew on September 1st. You guys are the best!

jannyk

(4,810 posts)
66. What was so wrong with the 'fund drives'?
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 03:43 PM
Aug 2012

Most seemed to enjoy them, especially the 'hearts'.

aquart

(69,014 posts)
70. Passionately loved the hearts. BUT...
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 03:50 PM
Aug 2012

There was also a lot of good feeling in the other drives when people were able to donate stars.

jannyk

(4,810 posts)
84. Agreed. It made us feel like a 'community'.
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 04:15 PM
Aug 2012

I'm afraid that feeling is now mostly gone.

Botany

(70,291 posts)
67. Now get rid of that NRA ad ASAP!
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 03:43 PM
Aug 2012

BTW party @ Skinner's house!

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
68. Race you to the jacuzzi!
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 03:45 PM
Aug 2012

Botany

(70,291 posts)
71. I'll get the drinks and snacks
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 03:51 PM
Aug 2012




I mean who will stop me and my gold star?

ellisonz

(27,709 posts)
85. "I mean who will stop me and my gold star?"
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 04:16 PM
Aug 2012

Last edited Tue Aug 21, 2012, 04:48 PM - Edit history (1)

The Secret Service - Mr. Romney wants you out of his kitchen and off his property.

 

lonestarnot

(77,097 posts)
148. and 'specially off the fucking lawn!
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 09:52 PM
Aug 2012

richie rich ... where's those fucking taxes! hmmmf.

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
152. Some good music and we'll be set!
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 10:25 PM
Aug 2012

Botany

(70,291 posts)
154. Got it covered
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 10:35 PM
Aug 2012
&feature=related

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
157. Oh, my, my, my
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 11:09 PM
Aug 2012




ok, ok, how about:

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gkhouston

(21,642 posts)
69. Thanks, Skinner. I recently did a lot of soul-searching before renewing, not because I don't want
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 03:46 PM
Aug 2012

to be here but because money is very tight right now.

april

(1,148 posts)
72. done and thank you for DU I start my day w/ this !
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 03:55 PM
Aug 2012

Lugnut

(9,791 posts)
73. Thank you!
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 03:55 PM
Aug 2012

Some of us are really strapped these days. You guys are great!

DainBramaged

(39,191 posts)
75. YAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAY
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 03:59 PM
Aug 2012

My meager donations will keep me on the boat



YAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAY

veganlush

(2,049 posts)
76. I'm commenting
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 04:04 PM
Aug 2012

DTo see if I have a star by my name

veganlush

(2,049 posts)
78. ok, i guess its been a year
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 04:05 PM
Aug 2012

That explains the ads...

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
77. Outstanding!
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 04:04 PM
Aug 2012

I asked my wife to renew for me because I don't have paypal. This afternoon she called me and said "How much do you want to give?" I told her, Do the paypal for $42. She said "I don't see that." I said It's a long story, do it that way or it's $60. She said "I don't see that." It went back and forth like that for a few minutes. Then I said, Fuck it, I'm busy, just pay the $5 monthly. She said "I don't see that. There's a big letter from Skinner there." I thought, what fresh DU hell has emerged now? I told her, Just give them the $5, I'll check in later.

Now I see this.

It shows 366 days for $5. Now I have to make it up to DU. And I have to apologize to my wife. I hate that.

All that aside, this is really outstanding on your part. So many people are just scraping by. You three get that.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
79. 8 hours after I paid for another year, LOL. But seriously, that's awesome.
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 04:06 PM
Aug 2012

Thanks for doing this.

(And no, I won't be asking for a refund!)

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
110. What do you think they were waiting for?
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 05:08 PM
Aug 2012
 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
118. Well, that certainly helps my inferiority complex, thanks! nt
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 06:07 PM
Aug 2012

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
122. Anytime. But if you really want to feel bad you are going to have to call Cliffordu.
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 06:31 PM
Aug 2012

Hugin

(32,778 posts)
82. Then I will continue to "pay-what-you-want".
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 04:12 PM
Aug 2012

(:

bayareaboy

(793 posts)
83. Thanks for doing this ...
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 04:15 PM
Aug 2012

I always want to be a member where ever I go and you made it easy and no pay-pal. And no adds as well.

vademocrat

(1,089 posts)
86. Thank you! I have missed my star - just donated what I could afford
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 04:18 PM
Aug 2012

it means a lot to me that you all have been concerned about the impact of set subscription prices on the DU user community - and it says a lot about you all that you have come up with a win/win situation - The DU Admins are the BEST!

aikoaiko

(34,127 posts)
87. Well played, Sir. Well Played.
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 04:19 PM
Aug 2012

Thank you.

Raffi Ella

(4,465 posts)
88. AW! I am SO happy to see this.
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 04:21 PM
Aug 2012

Thanks guys! I think this goes a long way in the community feel of DU.

 

Panasonic

(2,921 posts)
89. Best move of the day!
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 04:22 PM
Aug 2012
 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
90. dammit, I just re-upped at full price and I could have done so for a buck two fiddy!
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 04:23 PM
Aug 2012

Why, why, why didn't I wait?

MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
100. Cheapskate! I gave a buck three-eighty.
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 04:45 PM
Aug 2012

MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
91. Thanks! I made a contribution, and will
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 04:24 PM
Aug 2012

bump it up later to make it $60. I hated not having a star.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
92. I had a feeling it would come to this. In fact I predicted it just yesterday. Thanks. nt
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 04:26 PM
Aug 2012

Zero Division

(1,135 posts)
93. Much appreciated!
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 04:27 PM
Aug 2012

I don't mind giving money to DU, but it's much easier to do so in smaller increments. I donated today for the first time in a long while.

klook

(12,134 posts)
96. Brilliant
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 04:30 PM
Aug 2012

and I'm betting revenues go UP because those who can pay more will feel motivated to do so.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
97. Thanks Skinner!
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 04:32 PM
Aug 2012

I hope it works out and you don't come up short.

Permanut

(5,439 posts)
99. Woohoo!11!!!1
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 04:42 PM
Aug 2012

I get to be a star member for the first time!

corkhead

(6,119 posts)
102. That is very generous of you. I just renewed a week or so ago and think that amount is fair for me.
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 04:52 PM
Aug 2012

I'll leave it be.

Thank you for what you do.

supernova

(39,345 posts)
103. Thank you, Skinner
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 04:53 PM
Aug 2012

I have been one of the 1x/year donors because that has what has worked for me in the long run. I was really bummed out about the subscription because I didn't think I could reliably come up with money every month. Yeah, I'm one of the ones for whom this decade hasn't been a winner. So I tend to budget and pay off bills all in one lump when I have the money.

So, I am very happy you are going back to the old system, sorta. And I don't mind the quarterly fund drives. The hearts and chance to give to other members are fun and a way to maybe meet others you don't regularly correspond with. Though, if fund drives are a PAITA from an admin POV, I can understand that.

I will contribute something next week when I get paid again.

Warpy

(110,913 posts)
104. Thanks, it will also make it easier
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 04:56 PM
Aug 2012

for those of us who were given stars when we were broke to pay it forward. Since that's an ongoing process for a lot of grateful people, DU will continue to make its nut, although in smaller pieces.

inna

(8,809 posts)
105. Good. Glad you did it, it is definitely a step in a right (left?:) direction.
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 04:57 PM
Aug 2012

Kudos.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
106. You guys! That's the greatest, and I support this move 100%.
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 04:57 PM
Aug 2012

Some businesses who do pay what you wish wind up taking more in than with price points, even accounting for zero and hyper low payers....I have seen it with my own eyes. May it go that way for you too!

pacalo

(24,721 posts)
107. You guys are the absolute best!
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 05:07 PM
Aug 2012

I won't be asking for a refund; I get more out of my DU membership than I'd get from ten magazine subscriptions.

I'm grateful that DU will now be more affordable for everyone.

a2liberal

(1,524 posts)
108. Wow, great timing!
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 05:07 PM
Aug 2012

My star just expired a few days ago and I really didn't like the idea of a fixed-cost subscription so I was waffling on whether to subscribe. This makes it easier because I can again think of it as a "donation".

mrs_p

(3,012 posts)
109. Happy dancing!!
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 05:08 PM
Aug 2012

My star ran out yesterday and it was between new shoes for work or a new membership. I am sooo happy that I can become a member again! Thanks, thanks, thanks Skinner!

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
111. This is great.
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 05:13 PM
Aug 2012

For the record, I miss the quarterly fund drives. Many, many thanks to the DU Administrators. Hugs to all of you.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
112. Excellent! Now how about using ActBlue instead of Paypal?
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 05:20 PM
Aug 2012

If there is some reason why you can't do this, I'll stick with the snailmail option.

yardwork

(61,418 posts)
113. I'm very pleased about this. Thank you!
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 05:20 PM
Aug 2012

greatauntoftriplets

(175,698 posts)
114. Thank you, Skinner.
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 05:36 PM
Aug 2012

I had to re-up yesterday and had difficulty finding a way around PayPal. This makes it much easier.

Bonhomme Richard

(8,992 posts)
115. Thanks Skinner n/t
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 05:40 PM
Aug 2012

Snarkoleptic

(5,995 posts)
116. Lost my star last week but will renew as soon as funds are available.
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 05:53 PM
Aug 2012

.

pacalo

(24,721 posts)
134. I know I've told you this before...
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 07:22 PM
Aug 2012

but I just LOVE your signature gif!


Snarkoleptic

(5,995 posts)
155. Thanks!
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 10:59 PM
Aug 2012

For a while I had a pair of the cats side-by-side, but it was nearly hypnotic and one had to go.

LuckyLib

(6,814 posts)
117. Thanks! I consider DU to be my news center -- can't imagine having
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 05:56 PM
Aug 2012

to rely on the garbage that is MSM these days, both national and local. Subscribing to DU makes perfect sense, in any way folks can pay. You've made it logical and compassionate. Kudos!

skamaria

(325 posts)
119. Great!
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 06:11 PM
Aug 2012

I always liked to donate when i get a little ahead Or when i get moved by a great post

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
120. Too easy to support such a great site.
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 06:20 PM
Aug 2012

I pledged what I could, 20 bucks. If someone needs help, take 5 from me and make me a 15 dollar pledge.

Johnny Noshoes

(1,977 posts)
121. I just "reupped"
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 06:23 PM
Aug 2012

I have been out of work for a year now and I didn't like it that my membership had expired. Going back to this method enabled me to throw a few bucks into the hat. Hey maybe it is the beginning of a personal turn around - I'll see. Everyday for the past year I've felt like Bill Murray in Groundhog Day - let the clock tick over and this VERY long year end in a "New Year". Not just for me but for all of us still struggling to find work.

Grateful for Hope

(39,320 posts)
123. This is wonderful news. Thank you admins (Skinner, EarlG, and Elad)!
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 06:39 PM
Aug 2012

As far as fund drives are concerned, I would love to see them come back. You guys made them fun and I think they were good for community spirit.

<-----admins

Paka

(2,760 posts)
124. Thank you so much, Skinner.
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 06:46 PM
Aug 2012

In Thailand I live a cash life and when I was told I could no longer send in a check to earn my star, I had no other options. I love DU and want to contribute what I am able to pay.

ailsagirl

(22,842 posts)
132. Greetings, Paka
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 07:18 PM
Aug 2012

I am now a gold star member as well!

m.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
125. Yippee!!! Grovelbot may be back.
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 06:57 PM
Aug 2012

Thanks so much for listening to us....and I bet that you will not be disappointed.

pscot

(21,023 posts)
126. Hellofa business model, Skinner
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 07:00 PM
Aug 2012

But thanks. I was wondering if I could afford to renew.

ismnotwasm

(41,921 posts)
127. Thank goodness
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 07:09 PM
Aug 2012

I can't tell you how fustrating PayPal was.

mvd

(65,148 posts)
128. Thanks, Skinner
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 07:09 PM
Aug 2012

This was a major concern of mine about DU. While I feel DU is to the right of me to the point I post less, I applaud this decision. It also fits better with the Democratic message of inclusivity.

snappyturtle

(14,656 posts)
129. Thank you....makes me feel a whole lot better to be able to 'donate' something....you guys rock! nt
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 07:15 PM
Aug 2012

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
131. Wow! Excellent news! You guys are absolutely wonderful!
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 07:17 PM
Aug 2012

I've never been concerned about my own ability to pay for a yearly subscription - and I cleverly donated in mid-November last year, so I'd have a good long time on my existing star before needing to renew - but it's bothered me tremendously that so many DUers were feeling like they'd have to give up on having a star because they couldn't afford to pay the fixed rate.

My happiness and gratitude are on the behalf of all those for whom for the fixed cost of renewal was prohibitive. I'm so delighted that they will now have a way to keep/renew their stars at a price they can afford.

For myself, I now intend to throw MORE than the previous fixed price into the kitty when my time to renew comes around, so that I can help make up for the smaller amounts that others are going to pay.

I've been here for 11 years and DU is my online "home". I want to do my part to preserve this special place.





hlthe2b

(101,730 posts)
133. I just got home from a hellacious day in traffic to see this--this is TREMENDOUS! Thank you Skinner
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 07:19 PM
Aug 2012

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Politicub

(12,163 posts)
135. Love this!
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 07:24 PM
Aug 2012

It's the way it should be.

northoftheborder

(7,566 posts)
136. Thanks so much for your thoughtful reconsideration of the subscription issue.
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 07:27 PM
Aug 2012

I had problems with Paypal when you first changed the payment method, so will just go the check route.

Astazia

(262 posts)
137. WooooHooooo
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 07:53 PM
Aug 2012

We had a huge financial hit (more later on that) & yet once I found DU or how I refer to it as "my new home" I have wanted to contribute. This wasn't about star or not, it's about being a part of what is good in this current political climate.

Thanks for including us. We will give more as soon as (hopefully sooner than later) we can. <3



catchnrelease

(1,942 posts)
138. My renewal check will be in the mail
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 08:09 PM
Aug 2012

Check is in the envelope and will be mailed tomorrow!

Deb

(3,742 posts)
140. Thank you
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 08:12 PM
Aug 2012

I felt undressed.

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
141. Are we going to have the donation "contests"
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 08:26 PM
Aug 2012

like we did before, with the hearts and everything. That would be awesome! I hadn't started paying my monthly subscription because I still have a star and with adding a new member to the household I wasn't quite as flush. But, things have settled. I'm guessing those of us who used to do monthly donations can still do that, right?

The main reason I would love to have the fundraisers back is it reminds me to donate in other people's names, so they get stars. I know I wasn't the only one who did it. I could do it right now, but I forget and I'm actually not here as often as I used to be. Even though, I'm not here as often as I used to be, I owe this site my sanity, and I don't forget such things.

Thank you for changing this back!

burrowowl

(17,607 posts)
142. Good Idea!
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 08:36 PM
Aug 2012

I just hated using PayPal!
And at this point feel like sending checks.

sarcasmo

(23,968 posts)
143. Thanks for coming to a smarter conclusion.
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 08:37 PM
Aug 2012

still_one

(91,965 posts)
144. I think having periodic drives like they used to would also be a good idea, where when you
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 08:42 PM
Aug 2012

Reach a specific number an effigy get a ka pow!

IndyJones

(1,068 posts)
145. You guys totally rock! Thank you for changing that!
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 09:08 PM
Aug 2012

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
146. Well thanks for that Skinner.
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 09:33 PM
Aug 2012

I am now a little better off financially...at least enough for a small contribution...and yo folks deserve more than I can give.
And thanks for making it possible to do it without Pay Pal...I really don't like a third party in between us.

davidwparker

(5,397 posts)
149. kick for later
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 10:04 PM
Aug 2012

Just got back from dinner. 3 glasses of wine. Between safe to drive, but can't read my card in the dark at 10:03 ET.

Robb

(39,665 posts)
150. I would like to pay in bantam roosters. Please advise how many would be appropriate, thank you.
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 10:04 PM
Aug 2012

PS I am not a crackpot.

Riftaxe

(2,693 posts)
161. what you got against crackpots?
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 12:58 AM
Aug 2012

whoops, sorry, thought this was GD for a minute....

Journeyman

(15,001 posts)
153. Thanks. . .
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 10:31 PM
Aug 2012

This will be useful for many people.

Why Syzygy

(18,928 posts)
156. Is it just me?
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 11:05 PM
Aug 2012

Or did this announcement lighten the mood energy of the place?

I hope you do decide to allow gifting of star donations. DU has tons of generous souls, and those who for some reason cannot
do the electronic transfers.

 

emilyg

(22,742 posts)
159. Thank you.
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 12:13 AM
Aug 2012

Riftaxe

(2,693 posts)
160. Very much appreciated!
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 12:53 AM
Aug 2012

I could justify the donation that I gave last year, but the new pricing scheme was a bit out of whack when it came to self justification when reconciling the books :{

Hatchling

(2,323 posts)
162. You guys are totally awesome!
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 01:38 AM
Aug 2012

I'll be renewing in December after my ceramics sale.

Rhiannon12866

(203,035 posts)
163. Does this mean that purchasing a star for other members will be possible again?
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 03:35 AM
Aug 2012

There's been a lot of discussion about that and it was a popular feature of the generous DU community.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
164. I appreciate this...
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 03:48 AM
Aug 2012

I got my star right when the system changed and was still good for a year. I was wondering what would happen when I lost A&A posting privileges.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
166. Thanks
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 05:25 AM
Aug 2012

I'll likely donate within the next 3 weeks.

turtlerescue1

(1,013 posts)
169. THANKYOU!
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 09:28 AM
Aug 2012

Because frankly I didn't like feeling guilty, but on my income its becoming "normal".

So expect a snail mail.

Javaman

(62,442 posts)
170. Skinner, I really appreciate that! Thanks! :)
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 09:30 AM
Aug 2012

And frankly, I never minded donating during the fund drive.

I wouldn't have an issue with it if you brought it back.

Cheers!

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
171. Now that's democratic, and democratic is good. Bravo!
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 09:34 AM
Aug 2012

Ms. Toad

(33,915 posts)
172. Fantastic!
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 09:45 AM
Aug 2012

That eliminates my philosophical barrier to being a star member.

Two suggestions - since I used to be one of those in charge of occasional events for organizations which worked on a similar financial structure:

Figure out what it would cost to run the place if all members (or the active portion of members) contributed the same amount and label that the suggested payment. People, as a general rule, are willing to pay their fair share if they know what their fair share is.

Label the scheme "more if you can, less if you can't." That has a different feel than "pay what you want." My experience is that when it is phrased that way (with the real cost publicized) that those who value the service will pay more than it costs to make up for folks who are not able to pay more (sort of a fuzzy version of donating a star for those who couldn't buy one).

We often ended up with an event surplus when we did these two things.

But whether you take either of these two suggestions, I am thrilled that the class system at DU has been put to bed.

2ndAmForComputers

(3,527 posts)
173. If I mail you a check...
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 10:50 AM
Aug 2012

...does it have to be from the same person who is registered, or can it be from a family member/friend/whatever?

Skinner

(63,645 posts)
174. We don't cross-reference the name on the check with the name on the account.
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 11:07 AM
Aug 2012

The name on the account could be made up anyway.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
177. Has Grovelbot's unemployment insur. run out yet?
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 11:56 AM
Aug 2012

Images of him sleeping on the sidewalk, begging in the streets, rusting from the rain, have haunted some of us.
Maybe those quarterly drives were not so bad after all?

Ghost in the Machine

(14,912 posts)
178. Wow, Thanks guys! I loved the old system when it was in place...
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 12:29 PM
Aug 2012

Been through some tough times the past several months, and haven't had a star for the first time since 2006. In better times, I would divide my donations up during the fund drives so I could gift other members I chose to with stars. If I could afford $25, five people got stars with a $5 donation each.. $50 meant ten people got stars..

Would love to see the quarterly fund drives come back, my situation is improving now and hopefully will stay that way...

Thanks for all you guys do, and keep up the good work...

Peace,

Ghost

RedEarth

(7,477 posts)
179. I think you guys should still use the quarterly fund drive
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 02:03 PM
Aug 2012

and perhaps enable members to donate stars. The quarterly fund drives you've put on are fun and they also help to remind members that it takes money to run this site.

One Voice

(376 posts)
180. Thank you!
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 02:19 PM
Aug 2012

That helps!

Duer 157099

(17,742 posts)
181. Please bring the fund drives back
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 02:59 PM
Aug 2012

Those were fun drives and I found myself donating much more during those than any other time. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

And I don't mind the term "donate" even if it is not nonprofit.

And being able to donate stars to others, that was very special, even if sometimes it went awry.

And thanks DU admins!

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
182. Sounds good and gives me a chance to donate now.
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 05:31 PM
Aug 2012

Thank you Skinner.

Broderick

(4,578 posts)
184. If I want to purchase star memberships for people that can't afford it
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 06:22 PM
Aug 2012

is there any hindrance to that? I asked several times and previously I was unable to do that.

Ms. Toad

(33,915 posts)
186. Here's the official answer:
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 06:35 PM
Aug 2012
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10131833#post31

But it seems to me that this question and answer provides a way around it for anyone iinclined to be sneaky about it:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10131833#post173

Tindalos

(10,525 posts)
188. Thank you
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 10:28 PM
Aug 2012

My paypal account never worked properly (at all).

OmahaBlueDog

(10,000 posts)
189. Of course now that I've bought a star, you announce this!
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 11:14 PM
Aug 2012

Seriously, thanks! I think this is a good move.

Beaverhausen

(24,467 posts)
190. Paypal is asking for too much info
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 04:44 PM
Aug 2012

I just want to pay with a credit card and can't seem to do it. I have used paypal but they want way too much info.

HELP!!!

 

shanen

(349 posts)
191. How about a two-tier donation-based charity-share system?
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 01:59 AM
Aug 2012

I confess that I was so disgusted with American politics that I wasn't planning to vote this year. Seemed to be time to give up, but I hate liars and Romney has succeeded in motivating me to vote against him. This year's neo-GOP ticket should be called Nixon/Goldwater 2012 to lead American BACKWARDS!

I have donated to a number of Democratic candidates in the past, even including Senator Obama in 2008. Now he's President Obama, but I haven't decided where to donate this year... I'm leaning towards the Credo SuperPAC because I think their targeted attacks on neo-GOP lunatics might get the biggest bang for my small number of bucks. Considering the financial model here, I'd like to throw out a suggestion for consideration. It's a two-tier system that would then direct the money to pro-democracy projects.

First, you need to figure out the average cost of a member here. That includes your estimate for covering the participation of the people who aren't donating, even though one of the main goals of this system is to get more people to donate. That cost is important because I think you have to reflect the reality, unlike neo-GOP delusional thinking.

In the first tier of the system, you are selling subscriptions or star memberships or both or other variations. The base price should be set to your estimated costs. Maybe you need a few wrinkles like subsidies for poor people or students or annual adjustments, but the basic idea is to cover the costs.

People who donate above the base price would have the rest of the money go into the second tier of the system, what I call a charity brokerage. Remember that there is no financial risk to Democratic Underground because you are already holding the money, but you will help the members match their money to pro-democracy projects, and once enough members agreed to support a project, then you would start the ball rolling.

I hope a concrete example will make it more clear. Let's say you estimate your Democratic Underground operating cost at $10/year for the paying members. If I pay $50, then I am a member for up to 5 years, but I would start with a one-year membership and $40 in my charity share account. In one part of the website, you would offer a variety of projects that I could participate in. If I liked a particular project, then I would buy a charity share in that project, reducing my balance. If enough members buy shares, then the project would have enough money for its budget, and you would start the ball rolling, but your main goal would be in helping other people prepare their project proposals. (I also think you should help evaluate the success of the projects.)

The projects could be anything, though in this election season the most obvious candidates would be anti-Romney ads and the air time to show them. I can't afford to run an ad, but with 1,000 other Democrats I could do it. I very much want to see an add with a video pastiche of Romney saying "Vote for me so that government of the corporations, by the lawyers, for the richest 0.1% of Americans, shall rule the earth."

(Longer and more complicated version of this idea under "reverse auction charity shares" on the Web.)

uppityperson

(115,674 posts)
192. Thank you. I've been gone, came to read about Isaac and found this. WONDERFUL!!!!
Tue Aug 28, 2012, 03:52 AM
Aug 2012

madashelltoo

(1,685 posts)
193. Will do on Tuesday.
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 03:37 PM
Aug 2012

I look forward to it.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
194. Very Kind of You
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 08:29 PM
Feb 2013

I'm a senior on a small fixed income, and I'd love to subscribe but it will have to be a month or so from now at a modest amount. Hopefully I can make it my birthday present to myself, because it looks like you have a very worthwhile website here.

Anyway, when I first joined recently and you sent me a welcome letter with a few instructions on it, somehow I managed to lose it off my computer. And I forgot to bookmark the instruction page. I even lost the personal reply you sent to a question I'd asked! (You can see why I don't do anyone's taxes these days.)

So in April when I might be able to buy a modest star membership, will I lose the post count accrued beforehand? Or will it matter at that point? Can you offer a link to a FAQs page for me to study? Sorry, I didn't used to be so high maintenance! Are non-star members to whom I reply at this time notified of my replies?

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
195. You can learn about star memberships here
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 08:47 PM
Feb 2013
http://www.democraticunderground.com/star

Your username & post count will remain whether or not you buy a star - and you can pay once for the year (any amount, I believe).

Whenever you reply in a thread, anyone can see your reply. You can view your own posts by clicking the My Posts tab above - and any replies you receive will show in the "replies to me" column on that page (you can expand by clicking the yellow arrow).

If you reply to a DU Mail from your inbox, only the person to which you replied can read it.

Does that help?

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fadedrose

(10,044 posts)
197. My subscription expires when??
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 09:32 PM
Aug 2013

Am not sure where to find it....thanks.

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
198. Here
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 11:47 PM
Aug 2013

fadedrose

(10,044 posts)
199. Thank you
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 09:28 AM
Aug 2013

Who put dat dare? I never saw that link before...and it looks like only a dunce couldn't find it....thanks.

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