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uhnope

(6,419 posts)
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 01:39 PM Oct 2015

'I Serve Darkness': Oregon Gunman Had an Obsession with Satan, Says Source

Source: PEOPLE MAGAZINE

The Umpqua Community College shooter was obsessed with Satan and documented his devotion to darkness in a manifesto that was recovered from his computer, a source familiar with the investigation tells PEOPLE. (PEOPLE has not received a copy of this document or confirmed its existence.)

In the reported manifesto, which allegedly had "666" scrawled across it, the source says, 26-year-old gunman Chris Harper Mercer wrote in detail about his desire to "serve darkness."

"The guy did this strictly for satanic purposes," the source tells PEOPLE. "He did it to become a god in hell. He wants to be evil. That is his goal, to serve Satan." Mercer allegedly singled out Christians during his massacre, asking people to state their religion and shooting those who identified as Christians in the head.

The source adds: "The only thing I've seen that came close to this type of devotion to Satan is the 'Night Stalker' in Los Angeles," referring to Richard Ramirez, a serial killer who murdered at least 13 people over the course of two years in the 1980s.

Read more: http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20956987,00.html

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'I Serve Darkness': Oregon Gunman Had an Obsession with Satan, Says Source (Original Post) uhnope Oct 2015 OP
Here We Go.... LovingA2andMI Oct 2015 #1
here we go what? stupid ass took his mythology literally and ruined many lives snooper2 Oct 2015 #4
Or: "PEOPLE has not received a copy of this document or confirmed its existence." Iggo Oct 2015 #14
Here we go: Matariki Oct 2015 #15
+1 get the red out Oct 2015 #18
So what can be done about the mental health issue? christx30 Oct 2015 #24
In a word.....YES Thunderbeast Oct 2015 #38
I completely agree with you. christx30 Oct 2015 #41
Unless he was a MacGyver type and could build a bomb by reading I dunno Oct 2015 #30
Here we go MynameisBlarney Oct 2015 #22
"PEOPLE has not received a copy of this document or confirmed its existence." PSPS Oct 2015 #2
Is it possible to have a 'satan' (bad) without having a 'god' (good)? jalan48 Oct 2015 #3
you can make up whatever you want - that's the fun part about religion snooper2 Oct 2015 #5
Satan, brought to you by Christianity jberryhill Oct 2015 #27
RIGHT outta my mouth LOL randys1 Oct 2015 #31
Wow jberryhill Oct 2015 #35
Not if you adhere to the Bible. Elmer S. E. Dump Oct 2015 #42
Complete sensationalistic BS... LannyDeVaney Oct 2015 #6
Yep... LovingA2andMI Oct 2015 #10
Oh for fuck's sake! Moostache Oct 2015 #7
THIS.... LovingA2andMI Oct 2015 #13
Thank you. The level of hysterical bullshit, propagated by the MEDIA for fuck's sake, Nay Oct 2015 #17
Not posting it doesn't make it go away. uhnope Oct 2015 #23
I feel sorry for you. Moostache Oct 2015 #26
I have no idea what you're talking about uhnope Oct 2015 #33
You are way too logical to help the situation. Elmer S. E. Dump Oct 2015 #44
'I Serve Darkness' jpak Oct 2015 #8
New GOP slogan? workinclasszero Oct 2015 #46
With all of the violence and hatred being promoted in the media, this isn't shocking. Dont call me Shirley Oct 2015 #9
Copycat loser did this strictly for notoriety purposes BeyondGeography Oct 2015 #11
lol "the source". Iggo Oct 2015 #12
I also saw reports that he was a Christian. So which is he, a Christian or a Satan worshiper? totodeinhere Oct 2015 #16
Given that Christianity brought us this "Satan" character... jberryhill Oct 2015 #29
That piece of the puzzle Delphinus Oct 2015 #36
Satan/Devil/opposition to God(good) melm00se Oct 2015 #40
Yes I know but I saw reports labeling him as a Christian, not a member of another totodeinhere Oct 2015 #48
Focusing on the shooter and his reasons only furthers the violence. aidbo Oct 2015 #19
Bloody Hell!!!!!! The fundies are going to go absolutely ape-shit over this! LongTomH Oct 2015 #20
People. People who read PEOPLE... C Moon Oct 2015 #21
Oh, well. At least this guy could get all the guns and ammo he wanted. Paladin Oct 2015 #25
May they rest in peace. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #28
Didn't someone post yesterday that he was also a Republican? applegrove Oct 2015 #32
Yes. Delphinus Oct 2015 #37
So in other words, he too was a religious extremist bluestateguy Oct 2015 #34
Another full blown psychopath inwiththenew Oct 2015 #39
With 13 guns in his possession. Darb Oct 2015 #43
Michael Moore had a TV show in the '90s deutsey Oct 2015 #47
Other survivors of the shooting LibertyLover Oct 2015 #45
More religious insanity. That nonsense has spawned so much hate, WestSeattle2 Oct 2015 #49
The Christian Right loves this shit "the devil made him do it". YOHABLO Oct 2015 #50
 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
4. here we go what? stupid ass took his mythology literally and ruined many lives
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 01:45 PM
Oct 2015

happens daily around the World-


Iggo

(47,489 posts)
14. Or: "PEOPLE has not received a copy of this document or confirmed its existence."
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 01:52 PM
Oct 2015

Don't eat bullshit.

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
15. Here we go:
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 01:53 PM
Oct 2015

the stupid 'satanic cult' crap that plagued the 90s, including law enforcement.

When the real issue is guns. And mental illness.

Not 'Satanism'.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
24. So what can be done about the mental health issue?
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 02:10 PM
Oct 2015

Most of them don't want to comply with treatment or take their meds. They don't feel sick. Should we have a lower standard or an easier way to commit someone before they're a danger to others?
Often times, the mass shooting is their first sign of real violence.

Thunderbeast

(3,383 posts)
38. In a word.....YES
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 03:18 PM
Oct 2015

The current standard to compel treatment for mental illness is far too low. Civil liberties concerns are an excuse used by our society to de-fund treatment, housing, and other services. Anasognosia keeps the mentally ill from the awareness of their own condition. It is not denial, but blindness to their own suffering and the colateral damage wrought on the rest of us. We wrap our neglect in the cloak of civil liberties; Allowing people to "die with their rights on". The real goal of this strategy is to reduce our financial obligation while claiming a higher moral place in the world.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
41. I completely agree with you.
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 03:45 PM
Oct 2015

If someone is a danger, but hasn't been violent yet, more can and needs to be done to make sure they are not violent. Because when things go bad, they go VERY bad very quickly. There are warning signs most of the time. Something not quite right about a person.
But like you said, we pretend to worry about the rights of the person, while we actually worry about the cost of the treatment. Then when that person takes a gun to the school, it's too late to help him or her (though, usually him).

 

I dunno

(31 posts)
30. Unless he was a MacGyver type and could build a bomb by reading
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 02:38 PM
Oct 2015

the internet.

This is what some suggest, that getting rid of guns is no solution, they will just find other ways to do it.

I dont think so, myself.

I dont think they have the intellect or patience or whatever to go to the lengths necessary to kill multiple people without the ease of a gun.

PSPS

(13,516 posts)
2. "PEOPLE has not received a copy of this document or confirmed its existence."
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 01:43 PM
Oct 2015
The Umpqua Community College shooter was obsessed with Satan and documented his devotion to darkness in a manifesto that was recovered from his computer, a source familiar with the investigation tells PEOPLE. (PEOPLE has not received a copy of this document or confirmed its existence.)


But, hell, yeah! Let's publish this conjecture anyway and collect revenue on all those mouse clicks!!1!! We're PEOPLE magazine!11!@!

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
7. Oh for fuck's sake!
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 01:47 PM
Oct 2015

STOP IT!!!

STOP trying to discern "reasons" a crazy person shot dead a lot of random people he encountered.

THERE IS NO SATAN.
THERE IS ALSO NO GOD FIGHTING AGAINST SATAN.

There ARE mental health issues and access to appropriate care issues and gun control issues and access to large amounts of ammunition issues and media coverage issues that makes these sons-of-bitches into bizarre celebrities of a sick underworld population.

STOP IT!!!

If you think this is "real", seek mental help before those scary "demons" come and get you...shit like this, this kind of even-handed and "well-some-say" bullshit false equivalence is EXACTLY why a Murdering cop like Darren Wilson can describe Michael Brown as a "hulked up demon" in an official statement and NOT be charged with a crime.

IT IS BULLSHIT AND ITS GOT TO END!!

Sorry for the histrionics, but I am sick and tired of people constantly using religious bullshit to cover up or paper over the basic fact - MAN IS AN ANIMAL, AND ANIMALS OFTEN DO NOT BEHAVE IN SOCIALLY ACCEPTABLE WAYS.

This cycle of shootings, momentary outrage, followed by hand wringing and constant avoidance of EVER discussing solutions to the problems of firearm availability and ammunition plenty is disgusting. If you can't help yourself and are so compelled to post such drivel, maybe waiting until the bodies are fucking cold would be more appropriate.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
13. THIS....
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 01:51 PM
Oct 2015
This cycle of shootings, momentary outrage, followed by hand wringing and constant avoidance of EVER discussing solutions to the problems of firearm availability and ammunition plenty is disgusting. If you can't help yourself and are so compelled to post such drivel, maybe waiting until the bodies are fucking cold would be more appropriate.


Thank You, Well Said!

Nay

(12,051 posts)
17. Thank you. The level of hysterical bullshit, propagated by the MEDIA for fuck's sake,
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 02:02 PM
Oct 2015

should make every news outlet, magazine, TV news show, and talking head CRINGE SO HARD IN FUCKING EMBARRASSMENT that they die of shame on the fucking spot.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
26. I feel sorry for you.
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 02:27 PM
Oct 2015

You really think that this grisly dance around the periphery is serving some greater good?
Turning these killers into stories only encourages others who have no access to help, no support system, no anchors to reality.

This is not the only mass murderer in the last year or month....the stats say he MIGHT be the only one this WEEK.
And throwing up nonsense and speculation about an all-powerful, malevolent force as a potential "motivator" is somehow making it go away?

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
33. I have no idea what you're talking about
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 02:42 PM
Oct 2015

I see that you at least deleted the "fuck you" part of the message. You might want to take a deep breath and give yourself a time out.

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
44. You are way too logical to help the situation.
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 03:51 PM
Oct 2015

We have been stopped at every point in trying to deal with the problem. The RWNJ's are responsible.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
29. Given that Christianity brought us this "Satan" character...
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 02:34 PM
Oct 2015

Belief in some aspect of Christianity is a pre-requisite to Satan worship.

melm00se

(4,975 posts)
40. Satan/Devil/opposition to God(good)
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 03:41 PM
Oct 2015

is not a Christian only club.

Satan (as a construct) appears in all 3 Abrahamic religions as well as others.

totodeinhere

(13,037 posts)
48. Yes I know but I saw reports labeling him as a Christian, not a member of another
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 06:02 PM
Oct 2015

Abrahamic religion. That's why I specified "Christian."

 

aidbo

(2,328 posts)
19. Focusing on the shooter and his reasons only furthers the violence.
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 02:07 PM
Oct 2015

I really wish the media would not, but they know what their audience wants.

Fox is already focusing on the shooters actions to further their Christian persecution memes.

I admire the Douglas county sheriff's policy that he will not say the shooter's name and Lawrence O'Donnell does the same on msnbc.

Focus on gun control legislation and the victims, don't re-traumatize the families of the victims by sensationalizing the shooter's motives.

LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
20. Bloody Hell!!!!!! The fundies are going to go absolutely ape-shit over this!
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 02:07 PM
Oct 2015

All it really says is, that the shooter was crazy as a shithouse rat!!!!!!

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
34. So in other words, he too was a religious extremist
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 03:06 PM
Oct 2015

Satanists like to think of themselves as non-religious, but no consistent, self-respecting atheist would spare any charity to a Satanist.

They still worship a little red man with a goatee and horns.

inwiththenew

(972 posts)
39. Another full blown psychopath
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 03:33 PM
Oct 2015

That family and acquaintance did nothing about. Seems to be a common link in all these shootings.

Has there been a mass shooting recently where the shooter didn't exhibit bizarre and hostile behaviors in the lead up to the event?

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
47. Michael Moore had a TV show in the '90s
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 04:36 PM
Oct 2015

called "TV Nation." In one of the segments he explored the stereotypical way people always seem to describe someone in their midst who turned out to be a psychopath as being "quiet" and "kept to himself."

He had an actor rent a house in a typical neighborhood and over the course of a week or so do things that would lead anyone paying attention to suspect he was doing something really weird (at best) or gruesomely homicidal (at worst).

When Moore went around to neighbors to ask if they noticed anything strange about their neighbor, I seem to recall they all were oblivious to his blatantly suspect behavior (he even left a pseudo-blood-stained mattress on the curb to be picked up on trash day).

I'm murky on all the details (the show was a while ago), but I always remember that episode whenever I hear someone say they never noticed anything unusual about a murderer.

LibertyLover

(4,788 posts)
45. Other survivors of the shooting
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 04:11 PM
Oct 2015

are already disputing the idea the shooter singled out Christians. One survivor said he was in the classroom next to where the shootings took place and he did not hear the shooter speak at all, let alone demand to know who was Christian. I'll bet the father of one of the girls who was shot and said his daughter told him before she went into surgery that the shooter had deliberately shot Christians quickly called one or two of the Christian book publishers so he could pitch a book about it.

WestSeattle2

(1,730 posts)
49. More religious insanity. That nonsense has spawned so much hate,
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 07:06 PM
Oct 2015

violence, murder, and genocide, it should be outlawed. Myths, legends, and BS dictating the lives of millions. It's absolutely incredible. Mind boggling actually.

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