Authorities: Weapons Recovered In Oregon Shooting Purchased Legally
Source: Huffington Post
WASHINGTON -- Firearms used on Thursday in a mass shooting at a small community college in Oregon were purchased legally, authorities said on Friday. Some weapons may have been purchased by family members.
Authorities recovered 13 weapons, six from the school and seven from Mercer's residence, said Celinez Nunez, assistant special agent in charge at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms & Explosives.
She confirmed that all of the weapons were purchased legally and traced to a federal firearms dealer.
Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/oregon-shooting-weapons_560ec25be4b0dd85030bd1f9?2md9529
MynameisBlarney
(2,979 posts)That pretty much just blew one GOTP talking point outta the water.
Darb
(2,807 posts)Inquiring minds want to know.
MynameisBlarney
(2,979 posts)Grand Ol' Tea Party. Or Grand Ol' Talibangelical Party.
I dunno
(31 posts)former9thward
(31,802 posts)It blew out of the water any measure Obama has proposed.
trillion
(1,859 posts)he had aspergers.
former9thward
(31,802 posts)Which mean anyone having having issues would not seek help. Great solution.
MynameisBlarney
(2,979 posts)nt
former9thward
(31,802 posts)Which, naturally, he never gets too specific. But he has mentioned background checks. This guy would have passed any background check.
MynameisBlarney
(2,979 posts)I could be wrong of course, but it sounds like you think there should be no efforts to regulate guns and gun ownership.
Am I wrong?
former9thward
(31,802 posts)What law do you want to make 20,001?
MynameisBlarney
(2,979 posts)But something has to change and change fast.
Keeping things as they are is not an option.
trillion
(1,859 posts)kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)Maybe the laws need to be applied to dealers and sellers of weapons and related paraphernalia . There is no Constitutional amendment guaranteeing the right to sell arms.
ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)Firearms dealers are the guys licensed by the Feds, do all the background checks, are buried in paperwork, and inspected by the ATF.
bluedigger
(17,077 posts)I've seen plenty standing behind the counter, shooting the shit, and bitching about the government.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)as long as the instant background check is working.
trillion
(1,859 posts)aspergers. There should be one unified database that includes medical and criminal history.
branford
(4,462 posts)correlating Asperger's to violent criminality?
We have a system in place where if a person is adjudicated a danger to himself or others, he cannot purchase a firearm, and is placed in the nations NICS database. In this country, we have treasured notions of due process, equal protection, etc., and we do not lose rights because of a medical condition without clear and convincing evidence of criminality or dangerousness.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Being convicted of a crime or adjudicated as mentally incompetent does, neither of which seems to have happened with this guy.
CanonRay
(14,036 posts)At least that's the vibe I get going past the gun counter in the local store.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)geomon666
(7,512 posts)He was a law abiding gun owner, until he wasn't.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)God help us all
christx30
(6,241 posts)of innocent until proven guilty?
Everyone is innocent until they commit a crime. You could just as easily say "every male is a rapist waiting to happen."
More needed to be done to help this guy's mental state. Maybe the standard needs to be lowered on committing people for mental health issues?
branford
(4,462 posts)and normalizing those who suffer from such conditions.
It's another example of how basic progressive ideals are essentially thrown out the window in any discussion about guns.
geomon666
(7,512 posts)Personally, I'd rather get rid of the guns. Also access to mental healthcare should be made a lot easier, especially in Oregon.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)Gun Nuts Mental Stability institutions. A nation-wide chain of facilities one can turn themselves in to when they start to feel compelled to blow away fellow citizens in pursuit of relief for their failings in society. Maybe offer an incentive - like a free pistol of your choice and a box of hollow point ammo if you make it thru the whole two-week course.
villager
(26,001 posts)n/t
Ichigo Kurosaki
(167 posts)villager
(26,001 posts)Enjoy the bubble!
Ichigo Kurosaki
(167 posts)proof of anything.
A gun is a tool. You don't use a slug gun when hunting birds just like you don't use a choked gun when hunting deer.
Gauge also comes into play depending on what game you are after.
Distance is a factor when deciding to use a shotgun or a rifle.
Enjoy your bubble.
villager
(26,001 posts)There is *zero* time worth squandering on you pedantic, blindered gun apologists....
Ichigo Kurosaki
(167 posts)I don't know any hunter that owns just one gun.
Owning more than one firearm doesn't mean they have multiple personality disorders.
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)former9thward
(31,802 posts)Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)If you want to provide an answer from the "gangs of Chicago", feel free to go ask them yourself and report back.
ileus
(15,396 posts)You don't just toss your SD pistol in a tool box after using it do you??? No of course not.
Even though it's supposed to be bullet proof reliable to save/protect lives, that doesn't mean mistreat it.
After being in the field you clean and lube whatever long gun you had with you, with a crapsman wrench you toss it back in the drawer. For that matter most don't even rub down the impact after replacing the third member.
(BTW I always rub down and degrease the hand tools and impact)
Now for sure I don't rub down my EDC every evening, but I do a short check and souse it back into the holster.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)I have multiple weapons and I'm very stable with only one personality.
What, are you an internet psychiatrist?
Squaredeal
(387 posts)Legal weapon owners whose firearms are used in the commission of crimes by others should be held strictly liable, unless there are prior police reports and investigations to show that the weapons were properly secured at the time they were taken.
mainstreetonce
(4,178 posts)in the killing that were purchased by family members,they should be held responsible.
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)and you run over and kill somebody with it, should he be held responsible?
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)by their own logic, gee
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)Embarrassment, it's whats for dinner.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Blackjackdavey
(177 posts)If my son borrows MY car and has an accident, I'm liable. That's why I carry insurance. That's also why the most obvious first step is liability insurance for gun owners.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)If your father buys a car and loans it to you, he is liable. Which is why your car insurance policy has to specifically say if it covers all drivers or only listed drivers.
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)Is he responsible for what you do with it?
jeff47
(26,549 posts)then it's just like legally transferring the car.
If you are legally prohibited from owning a rifle, then he'd face some sort of liability.
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)Should the Father be held liable for the actions of the son.
maxsolomon
(32,979 posts)but the father was a convicted felon, so much simpler to judge.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Is very happy.
C Moon
(12,188 posts)He attended The Switzer Learning Center in Torrance, a school that teaches students with special needs, emotional disturbances, autism, Aspergers syndrome and other issues.
He had joined military and left for unknown reasons.
Neighbors saw him and his mother carrying in black cases that appeared to be guns (and apparently were). When asked about it later, he said he enjoyed target shooting.
There's more at the L.A. Times article here:
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-oregon-college-gunman-torrance-20151001-story.html
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Evil bastard
C Moon
(12,188 posts)Rocknrule
(5,697 posts)is it physically possible to carry 6 guns + ammo all at once? Did this guy have a black hole in his pocket or something?
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Response to workinclasszero (Original post)
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TexasBushwhacker
(20,043 posts)In other words, did he purchase them over a period of weeks or months or years? James Holmes, the Aurora, CO shooter, bought 5 weapons and 6000 rounds of ammunition over a 2 month period.
The 2nd Amendment doesn't guarantee the right to acquire an arsenal over a short period of time. Perhaps one thing that could be done is restrict the number of firearms one could purchase to one or two per year.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)I had a BF who grew up in a rural hunting family. He also was in the Marines and an expert on guns/rifles. Over a lifetime, he collected one hunting rifle, one pistol and one antique rifle. No one needs all those guns.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,043 posts)were planned over a period of YEARS. It's usually planned over a few weeks. So limiting the number of guns one could buy over a given time period might prevent some of these tragedies from happening.
I've also suggested that when a person fills out the paperwork to buy a gun, that the waiting period the background check is being done should be longer and the default answer to "Can this person buy a weapon?" should be NO. Right now, if the background check completed in 3 days, the dealer can sell the gun. That was what allowed Dylann Roof, the Charleston shooter, to buy his weapon, even though he had confessed to a felony. If the dealer was required to wait for an affirmative YES, all those people in the church might still be alive.
http://www.thetrace.org/2015/07/background-checks-nics-guns-dylann-roof-charleston-church-shooting/
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Insurance Corporations seem to vet car drivers they give insurance to quite nicely and coordinate with state databases on registration and inspection requirements.
If the states can do it with cars & required insurance Corps, just as easily- they can do with guns .
wordpix
(18,652 posts)guns and ammo, not so much
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)the gun used by ca. 'undocumented was stolen from a BLM employee who left the gun in car.
Perhaps have an insurance sticker like a (easy to be scanned by police) car registration sticker to indicate a gun is in the car.
people have a right to own guns and cars and we Americans have a right to regulate who uses these items.
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)"Perhaps have an insurance sticker like a (easy to be scanned by police) car registration sticker to indicate a gun is in the car."
It can be scanned by a thief.
Great idea, just put a big sign on a vehicle
LOOK GUN INSIDE
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)you'd have to have an insurance sticker.
branford
(4,462 posts)you need to publicly advertise the existence of the firearm in the automobile, and you would not be allowed to actually leave the car.
Do you not see the myriad of safety, security and logistical problems with such a proposal.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)Remember, insurance does not cover illegal acts.
branford
(4,462 posts)They are all transparent taxes or penalties on the ownership or carrying of firearms, and designed to deter people from exercising their rights by intentionally making it more burdensome and expensive.
The demonstration of the lack of knowledge and understanding of the legal, public policy, and actuarial nature and restrictions of real insurance is astonishing.
I've written extensively on DU on the myriad of reason why mandatory firearm insurance proposals cannot, will not, and should not ever be passed.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7135948
madville
(7,397 posts)They are two separate policies and inexpensive, the liability insurance is $100 a year and the theft/fire is $110.
Im not seeing how insurance could prevent incidents like this or any other criminal activity. Having vehicle insurance doesn't prevent people from breaking the law with those vehicles.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)They already have the best looking buildings in the cities. Believe me they would get on this in a heartbeat. The insurance companies would be even stronger then they are now.
Skittles
(152,964 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Doing the usual gun nut shithead song and dance about needing a goddamn stockpile, and lovingly discussing the technical details. Oh, sorry. "Wanting." Who cares?
Assholes, the lot of them.
trillion
(1,859 posts)he liked. So what if he had aspergers. End all gun checks what so ever. Get rid of all gun legislation.
After all it doesn't prevent gun deaths. And while were at it, get rid of ALL drunk driving legislation, after all, it doesn't prevent drunk driving deaths. Oh, and get rid of ALL laws against theft and home break ins. After all they don't prevent theft or home break ins. In fact get rid of all laws. And be tough on crime. I can't stand how the liberals are soft on crime. Get rid of ALL crime laws and severely prosecute criminals with, well, common since since there will be no laws. Yeah, that's it.
When do the adults take over and quit pandering to the gunnut fetish for guns? This idiocy has got to end.
Skittles
(152,964 posts)trillion
(1,859 posts)fire arms legal? I've yet to see one drunk driver wound 70 people, like the aurora shooting.
Skittles
(152,964 posts)yes, we have them on DU
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)It seems that the argument AGAINST purchase gun controls is a red-herring.