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workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 02:46 PM Oct 2015

Authorities: Weapons Recovered In Oregon Shooting Purchased Legally

Source: Huffington Post

WASHINGTON -- Firearms used on Thursday in a mass shooting at a small community college in Oregon were purchased legally, authorities said on Friday. Some weapons may have been purchased by family members.

Authorities recovered 13 weapons, six from the school and seven from Mercer's residence, said Celinez Nunez, assistant special agent in charge at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms & Explosives.

She confirmed that all of the weapons were purchased legally and traced to a federal firearms dealer.

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/oregon-shooting-weapons_560ec25be4b0dd85030bd1f9?2md9529

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Authorities: Weapons Recovered In Oregon Shooting Purchased Legally (Original Post) workinclasszero Oct 2015 OP
Well... MynameisBlarney Oct 2015 #1
What's GOTP? Darb Oct 2015 #11
No worries. MynameisBlarney Oct 2015 #12
Talibangelical LOL I dunno Oct 2015 #26
Just the opposite. former9thward Oct 2015 #31
No guns is the only answer. Of coure manating a mental healt background checks would have worked. trillion Oct 2015 #58
So anyone who has any mental health issues is denied guns. former9thward Oct 2015 #64
How's that? MynameisBlarney Oct 2015 #69
Obama says he wants "common sense" gun controls. former9thward Oct 2015 #70
Interesting... MynameisBlarney Oct 2015 #71
There are approximately 20,000 federal, state and local gun regulations. former9thward Oct 2015 #72
I don't know MynameisBlarney Oct 2015 #73
Good one. I'll use it. Even Jeb is pandering to the tea partiers. GOTP works for me! trillion Oct 2015 #57
Firearm dealers??? What are they? Are there laws on what they can or cannot sell and to whom? kelliekat44 Oct 2015 #2
Seriously?!?!!? ManiacJoe Oct 2015 #8
I've never seen a firearms dealer "buried in paperwork" bluedigger Oct 2015 #20
They aren't buried by paperwork. its as easy to do a background check as it is to scan a credit card Sunlei Oct 2015 #41
slightly harder Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #52
Then they shouldn't be allowed to sell anything if they can't do a proper check. This guy had trillion Oct 2015 #59
Would you care to provide you sources of scholarship branford Oct 2015 #68
Yes, but being "weird" or "creepy" doesn't keep you from being able to legally buy firearms Recursion Oct 2015 #10
Been in a gun store lately? Weird and creepy are the norm. CanonRay Oct 2015 #22
Yes, many laws, see prohibited persons in the regulations Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #51
Same old story geomon666 Oct 2015 #3
More tales of "responsible" gun owners workinclasszero Oct 2015 #4
Do you want to do away with the concept christx30 Oct 2015 #18
Ironically, liberals historically fought against easy commitment for mental illness, branford Oct 2015 #19
No, I'm a big fan of innocent until proven guilty. geomon666 Oct 2015 #55
New business opportunity for the NRA Plucketeer Oct 2015 #5
"Multiple weapons" are invariably a sign of multiple personality disorders... villager Oct 2015 #6
Cite your proof, please. [nt] Ichigo Kurosaki Oct 2015 #23
Living in a news blackout, eh? villager Oct 2015 #24
That isn't Ichigo Kurosaki Oct 2015 #25
Enjoy the ignore list! villager Oct 2015 #27
So much for you being open minded to facts Ichigo Kurosaki Oct 2015 #28
What are the weapons of choice of the hunters who shoot people? Thor_MN Oct 2015 #29
Ask the gangs in Chicago who kill one another. former9thward Oct 2015 #32
Why would I do that? I asked the person I replied to. Thor_MN Oct 2015 #34
A gun isn't a tool, it's a fine precision machine. ileus Oct 2015 #36
Bullshit!!! GGJohn Oct 2015 #33
Some weapons may have been purchased by family members. Squaredeal Oct 2015 #7
If he used weapons mainstreetonce Oct 2015 #9
If your father buys you a car oneshooter Oct 2015 #43
of course Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #53
Notice that they refuse to answer. oneshooter Oct 2015 #66
The silence is deafening Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #67
okay, i'll bite Blackjackdavey Oct 2015 #74
If your father buys you a car, you are the registered owner and thus liable. jeff47 Oct 2015 #77
If your father buys you a rifle, and it is legaly transfered oneshooter Oct 2015 #78
Assuming "legally transferred" means you are not prohibited from owning a rifle jeff47 Oct 2015 #79
You failed to answer the question. oneshooter Oct 2015 #80
Just happened in WA State maxsolomon Oct 2015 #75
I'm sure Douglas County Sheriff Nutter... SoapBox Oct 2015 #13
He seemed to have problems before this...it doesn't appear he just suddenly cracked: C Moon Oct 2015 #14
Yeah he really enjoyed target practice workinclasszero Oct 2015 #15
+1 C Moon Oct 2015 #17
How in the hell Rocknrule Oct 2015 #16
Holsters and bandoliers, I'd assume (nt) Recursion Oct 2015 #30
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #21
I wonder how long it took him to purchase the weapons TexasBushwhacker Oct 2015 #35
1-2/year? Over 5 yrs that's maybe 10 guns wordpix Oct 2015 #38
I agree. But I don't think these mass murders TexasBushwhacker Oct 2015 #42
Our country needs to require insurance on more than 3 guns. just like car insurance. Sunlei Oct 2015 #37
yes, autos are recognized as potentially dangerous & are well regulated wordpix Oct 2015 #39
& against the law to leave a gun unattended by owner in car (cars are broken into all the time) Sunlei Oct 2015 #40
If it can be scanned by police oneshooter Oct 2015 #44
It would be illegal to leave a gun unattended in a car. In order to carry a gun in your car Sunlei Oct 2015 #46
So, in order to legally transport a firearm by automobile, branford Oct 2015 #47
cars are broken into all the time. people should never leave a gun in the car to be stolen. Sunlei Oct 2015 #65
What would be the purpose of the insurance. ManiacJoe Oct 2015 #45
There is no purpose, because none of the offered proposals are really "insurance." branford Oct 2015 #48
I have firearm liability and theft/fire insurance madville Oct 2015 #50
The insurance companies would love that yeoman6987 Oct 2015 #54
they need to be insured for ONE Skittles Oct 2015 #60
The mother was a gun nut shithead alcibiades_mystery Oct 2015 #49
Remember folks, STUFF HAPPENS, thank goodness that terrorist has a right to have guns - as many as trillion Oct 2015 #56
check out this one Skittles Oct 2015 #61
Are you pointing this out in some justification for gun deaths? What next, forks kill people so keep trillion Oct 2015 #62
I'm showing you a classic example of someone who thinks that way Skittles Oct 2015 #63
Has there been ANY mass shooting where the weapons were NOT purchased legally? ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #76
 

trillion

(1,859 posts)
58. No guns is the only answer. Of coure manating a mental healt background checks would have worked.
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 11:40 PM
Oct 2015

he had aspergers.

former9thward

(31,802 posts)
64. So anyone who has any mental health issues is denied guns.
Sun Oct 4, 2015, 01:08 AM
Oct 2015

Which mean anyone having having issues would not seek help. Great solution.

former9thward

(31,802 posts)
70. Obama says he wants "common sense" gun controls.
Sun Oct 4, 2015, 05:28 PM
Oct 2015

Which, naturally, he never gets too specific. But he has mentioned background checks. This guy would have passed any background check.

MynameisBlarney

(2,979 posts)
71. Interesting...
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 09:39 AM
Oct 2015

I could be wrong of course, but it sounds like you think there should be no efforts to regulate guns and gun ownership.
Am I wrong?

former9thward

(31,802 posts)
72. There are approximately 20,000 federal, state and local gun regulations.
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 10:57 AM
Oct 2015

What law do you want to make 20,001?

 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
2. Firearm dealers??? What are they? Are there laws on what they can or cannot sell and to whom?
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 02:50 PM
Oct 2015

Maybe the laws need to be applied to dealers and sellers of weapons and related paraphernalia . There is no Constitutional amendment guaranteeing the right to sell arms.

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
8. Seriously?!?!!?
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 03:28 PM
Oct 2015

Firearms dealers are the guys licensed by the Feds, do all the background checks, are buried in paperwork, and inspected by the ATF.

bluedigger

(17,077 posts)
20. I've never seen a firearms dealer "buried in paperwork"
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 05:05 PM
Oct 2015

I've seen plenty standing behind the counter, shooting the shit, and bitching about the government.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
41. They aren't buried by paperwork. its as easy to do a background check as it is to scan a credit card
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 10:57 AM
Oct 2015
 

trillion

(1,859 posts)
59. Then they shouldn't be allowed to sell anything if they can't do a proper check. This guy had
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 11:42 PM
Oct 2015

aspergers. There should be one unified database that includes medical and criminal history.

 

branford

(4,462 posts)
68. Would you care to provide you sources of scholarship
Sun Oct 4, 2015, 11:16 AM
Oct 2015

correlating Asperger's to violent criminality?

We have a system in place where if a person is adjudicated a danger to himself or others, he cannot purchase a firearm, and is placed in the nations NICS database. In this country, we have treasured notions of due process, equal protection, etc., and we do not lose rights because of a medical condition without clear and convincing evidence of criminality or dangerousness.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
10. Yes, but being "weird" or "creepy" doesn't keep you from being able to legally buy firearms
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 03:31 PM
Oct 2015

Being convicted of a crime or adjudicated as mentally incompetent does, neither of which seems to have happened with this guy.

CanonRay

(14,036 posts)
22. Been in a gun store lately? Weird and creepy are the norm.
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 06:20 PM
Oct 2015

At least that's the vibe I get going past the gun counter in the local store.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
18. Do you want to do away with the concept
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 04:37 PM
Oct 2015

of innocent until proven guilty?
Everyone is innocent until they commit a crime. You could just as easily say "every male is a rapist waiting to happen."
More needed to be done to help this guy's mental state. Maybe the standard needs to be lowered on committing people for mental health issues?

 

branford

(4,462 posts)
19. Ironically, liberals historically fought against easy commitment for mental illness,
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 04:55 PM
Oct 2015

and normalizing those who suffer from such conditions.

It's another example of how basic progressive ideals are essentially thrown out the window in any discussion about guns.

geomon666

(7,512 posts)
55. No, I'm a big fan of innocent until proven guilty.
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 11:31 PM
Oct 2015

Personally, I'd rather get rid of the guns. Also access to mental healthcare should be made a lot easier, especially in Oregon.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
5. New business opportunity for the NRA
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 03:05 PM
Oct 2015

Gun Nuts Mental Stability institutions. A nation-wide chain of facilities one can turn themselves in to when they start to feel compelled to blow away fellow citizens in pursuit of relief for their failings in society. Maybe offer an incentive - like a free pistol of your choice and a box of hollow point ammo if you make it thru the whole two-week course.

Ichigo Kurosaki

(167 posts)
25. That isn't
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 07:21 PM
Oct 2015

proof of anything.
A gun is a tool. You don't use a slug gun when hunting birds just like you don't use a choked gun when hunting deer.
Gauge also comes into play depending on what game you are after.
Distance is a factor when deciding to use a shotgun or a rifle.

Enjoy your bubble.

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
27. Enjoy the ignore list!
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 07:44 PM
Oct 2015

There is *zero* time worth squandering on you pedantic, blindered gun apologists....


Ichigo Kurosaki

(167 posts)
28. So much for you being open minded to facts
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 08:38 PM
Oct 2015

I don't know any hunter that owns just one gun.
Owning more than one firearm doesn't mean they have multiple personality disorders.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
34. Why would I do that? I asked the person I replied to.
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 09:38 AM
Oct 2015

If you want to provide an answer from the "gangs of Chicago", feel free to go ask them yourself and report back.

ileus

(15,396 posts)
36. A gun isn't a tool, it's a fine precision machine.
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 10:03 AM
Oct 2015

You don't just toss your SD pistol in a tool box after using it do you??? No of course not.

Even though it's supposed to be bullet proof reliable to save/protect lives, that doesn't mean mistreat it.


After being in the field you clean and lube whatever long gun you had with you, with a crapsman wrench you toss it back in the drawer. For that matter most don't even rub down the impact after replacing the third member.

(BTW I always rub down and degrease the hand tools and impact)


Now for sure I don't rub down my EDC every evening, but I do a short check and souse it back into the holster.



GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
33. Bullshit!!!
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 01:53 AM
Oct 2015

I have multiple weapons and I'm very stable with only one personality.
What, are you an internet psychiatrist?

Squaredeal

(387 posts)
7. Some weapons may have been purchased by family members.
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 03:21 PM
Oct 2015

Legal weapon owners whose firearms are used in the commission of crimes by others should be held strictly liable, unless there are prior police reports and investigations to show that the weapons were properly secured at the time they were taken.

oneshooter

(8,614 posts)
43. If your father buys you a car
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 01:52 PM
Oct 2015

and you run over and kill somebody with it, should he be held responsible?

Blackjackdavey

(177 posts)
74. okay, i'll bite
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 12:34 PM
Oct 2015

If my son borrows MY car and has an accident, I'm liable. That's why I carry insurance. That's also why the most obvious first step is liability insurance for gun owners.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
77. If your father buys you a car, you are the registered owner and thus liable.
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 04:57 PM
Oct 2015

If your father buys a car and loans it to you, he is liable. Which is why your car insurance policy has to specifically say if it covers all drivers or only listed drivers.

oneshooter

(8,614 posts)
78. If your father buys you a rifle, and it is legaly transfered
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 04:18 PM
Oct 2015

Is he responsible for what you do with it?

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
79. Assuming "legally transferred" means you are not prohibited from owning a rifle
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 04:21 PM
Oct 2015

then it's just like legally transferring the car.

If you are legally prohibited from owning a rifle, then he'd face some sort of liability.

C Moon

(12,188 posts)
14. He seemed to have problems before this...it doesn't appear he just suddenly cracked:
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 04:16 PM
Oct 2015

He attended The Switzer Learning Center in Torrance, a school that teaches students with special needs, emotional disturbances, autism, Asperger’s syndrome and other issues.

He had joined military and left for unknown reasons.

Neighbors saw him and his mother carrying in black cases that appeared to be guns (and apparently were). When asked about it later, he said he enjoyed target shooting.

There's more at the L.A. Times article here:

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-oregon-college-gunman-torrance-20151001-story.html

Rocknrule

(5,697 posts)
16. How in the hell
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 04:30 PM
Oct 2015

is it physically possible to carry 6 guns + ammo all at once? Did this guy have a black hole in his pocket or something?

Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

TexasBushwhacker

(20,043 posts)
35. I wonder how long it took him to purchase the weapons
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 10:01 AM
Oct 2015

In other words, did he purchase them over a period of weeks or months or years? James Holmes, the Aurora, CO shooter, bought 5 weapons and 6000 rounds of ammunition over a 2 month period.

The 2nd Amendment doesn't guarantee the right to acquire an arsenal over a short period of time. Perhaps one thing that could be done is restrict the number of firearms one could purchase to one or two per year.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
38. 1-2/year? Over 5 yrs that's maybe 10 guns
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 10:38 AM
Oct 2015

I had a BF who grew up in a rural hunting family. He also was in the Marines and an expert on guns/rifles. Over a lifetime, he collected one hunting rifle, one pistol and one antique rifle. No one needs all those guns.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,043 posts)
42. I agree. But I don't think these mass murders
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 11:14 AM
Oct 2015

were planned over a period of YEARS. It's usually planned over a few weeks. So limiting the number of guns one could buy over a given time period might prevent some of these tragedies from happening.

I've also suggested that when a person fills out the paperwork to buy a gun, that the waiting period the background check is being done should be longer and the default answer to "Can this person buy a weapon?" should be NO. Right now, if the background check completed in 3 days, the dealer can sell the gun. That was what allowed Dylann Roof, the Charleston shooter, to buy his weapon, even though he had confessed to a felony. If the dealer was required to wait for an affirmative YES, all those people in the church might still be alive.

http://www.thetrace.org/2015/07/background-checks-nics-guns-dylann-roof-charleston-church-shooting/

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
37. Our country needs to require insurance on more than 3 guns. just like car insurance.
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 10:33 AM
Oct 2015
Let the insurance Corps vet the multi-gun collectors.

Insurance Corporations seem to vet car drivers they give insurance to quite nicely and coordinate with state databases on registration and inspection requirements.

If the states can do it with cars & required insurance Corps, just as easily- they can do with guns .

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
39. yes, autos are recognized as potentially dangerous & are well regulated
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 10:39 AM
Oct 2015

guns and ammo, not so much

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
40. & against the law to leave a gun unattended by owner in car (cars are broken into all the time)
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 10:51 AM
Oct 2015

the gun used by ca. 'undocumented was stolen from a BLM employee who left the gun in car.

Perhaps have an insurance sticker like a (easy to be scanned by police) car registration sticker to indicate a gun is in the car.


people have a right to own guns and cars and we Americans have a right to regulate who uses these items.

oneshooter

(8,614 posts)
44. If it can be scanned by police
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 01:56 PM
Oct 2015

"Perhaps have an insurance sticker like a (easy to be scanned by police) car registration sticker to indicate a gun is in the car."

It can be scanned by a thief.

Great idea, just put a big sign on a vehicle

LOOK GUN INSIDE

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
46. It would be illegal to leave a gun unattended in a car. In order to carry a gun in your car
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 04:52 PM
Oct 2015

you'd have to have an insurance sticker.




 

branford

(4,462 posts)
47. So, in order to legally transport a firearm by automobile,
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 05:21 PM
Oct 2015

you need to publicly advertise the existence of the firearm in the automobile, and you would not be allowed to actually leave the car.

Do you not see the myriad of safety, security and logistical problems with such a proposal.

 

branford

(4,462 posts)
48. There is no purpose, because none of the offered proposals are really "insurance."
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 05:29 PM
Oct 2015

They are all transparent taxes or penalties on the ownership or carrying of firearms, and designed to deter people from exercising their rights by intentionally making it more burdensome and expensive.

The demonstration of the lack of knowledge and understanding of the legal, public policy, and actuarial nature and restrictions of real insurance is astonishing.

I've written extensively on DU on the myriad of reason why mandatory firearm insurance proposals cannot, will not, and should not ever be passed.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7135948




madville

(7,397 posts)
50. I have firearm liability and theft/fire insurance
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 10:09 PM
Oct 2015

They are two separate policies and inexpensive, the liability insurance is $100 a year and the theft/fire is $110.

Im not seeing how insurance could prevent incidents like this or any other criminal activity. Having vehicle insurance doesn't prevent people from breaking the law with those vehicles.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
54. The insurance companies would love that
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 11:11 PM
Oct 2015

They already have the best looking buildings in the cities. Believe me they would get on this in a heartbeat. The insurance companies would be even stronger then they are now.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
49. The mother was a gun nut shithead
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 08:23 PM
Oct 2015

Doing the usual gun nut shithead song and dance about needing a goddamn stockpile, and lovingly discussing the technical details. Oh, sorry. "Wanting." Who cares?

Assholes, the lot of them.

 

trillion

(1,859 posts)
56. Remember folks, STUFF HAPPENS, thank goodness that terrorist has a right to have guns - as many as
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 11:38 PM
Oct 2015

he liked. So what if he had aspergers. End all gun checks what so ever. Get rid of all gun legislation.
After all it doesn't prevent gun deaths. And while were at it, get rid of ALL drunk driving legislation, after all, it doesn't prevent drunk driving deaths. Oh, and get rid of ALL laws against theft and home break ins. After all they don't prevent theft or home break ins. In fact get rid of all laws. And be tough on crime. I can't stand how the liberals are soft on crime. Get rid of ALL crime laws and severely prosecute criminals with, well, common since since there will be no laws. Yeah, that's it.
When do the adults take over and quit pandering to the gunnut fetish for guns? This idiocy has got to end.

 

trillion

(1,859 posts)
62. Are you pointing this out in some justification for gun deaths? What next, forks kill people so keep
Sun Oct 4, 2015, 12:46 AM
Oct 2015

fire arms legal? I've yet to see one drunk driver wound 70 people, like the aurora shooting.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
76. Has there been ANY mass shooting where the weapons were NOT purchased legally? ...
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 04:35 PM
Oct 2015

It seems that the argument AGAINST purchase gun controls is a red-herring.

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