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Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 10:35 PM Oct 2015

U.S. government to require that hobbyists register their drones

Source: Fortune 500 Daily

The federal government plans to announce Monday that all drones will have to be registered.

Federal officials plan to announce on Monday that all drones will have to be registered with the U.S. Transportation Department, Fortune has learned.

U.S. Transportation Secretary Anthony Foxx and F.A.A. Administrator Michael Huerta will hold a press conference in Washington D.C. to explain the government’s plans to create a new registration system that all drone buyers will be required to use, according to a source familiar with the situation.

The plan adds hobbyists to those who must register their drones with the government. Previously, only commercial drone users had to register their aircraft with the F.A.A. after getting the authorization to fly.

Read more: http://fortune.com/2015/10/16/drones-register-department-of-transportation/

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U.S. government to require that hobbyists register their drones (Original Post) Little Tich Oct 2015 OP
I suspect there will be a lot of non-compliance with the requirement. n/t PoliticAverse Oct 2015 #1
Will it work as well Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #2
I understand why. Like with all things: There's always some stupid assholes who fuck everything.. BlueJazz Oct 2015 #3
Yep... IthinkThereforeIAM Oct 2015 #16
Good. Maybe then when one interferes with a cop or fireman, they'll be prosecuted. Shrike47 Oct 2015 #4
Twice this summer when they were battling a huge fire Le Taz Hot Oct 2015 #17
Same thing happened with a large fire here in SoCal LastLiberal in PalmSprings Oct 2015 #32
lets make sure we capture these in the registration Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #5
Oh this is going to go over well tularetom Oct 2015 #6
will I have to register my kite? cpompilo Oct 2015 #7
No bluevoter4life Oct 2015 #11
What about flying lawn chairs? cpompilo Oct 2015 #13
what is odd to me though is that these "drones" rwsanders Oct 2015 #15
Cameras are already that small William Seger Oct 2015 #28
Ugh! nt Live and Learn Oct 2015 #8
But not fuckin' guns. nt valerief Oct 2015 #9
It's things like this that prove that massive gun regulation is coming. onehandle Oct 2015 #24
The government can regulate drones without Congress passing laws hack89 Oct 2015 #26
FINALLY bluevoter4life Oct 2015 #10
Good. truthisfreedom Oct 2015 #12
What set the FAA off? NobodyHere Oct 2015 #14
Seems the only logical reason, right? Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #21
one may surmise that the safety of low airspace was also a factor. LanternWaste Oct 2015 #35
I'm not seeing the point: in order to hold someone responsible for a violation, wouldn't petronius Oct 2015 #18
Define "drone". nt greyl Oct 2015 #19
What are we going to require of the US government's drones? Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #20
I know how to get around that. sofa king Oct 2015 #22
I called it. onehandle Oct 2015 #23
So what government agency can regulate guns hack89 Oct 2015 #27
I always thought this would be a "perfect crime" thing.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #30
Do hobbyists of flying model airplanes have to register? nt Javaman Oct 2015 #25
All drones equipped with guns are exempt. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #29
+ .45 n/t jtuck004 Oct 2015 #31
Even little toy drones? Helen Borg Oct 2015 #33
Because we need yet another department of idiotic bureaucrats TampaAnimusVortex Oct 2015 #34
No new departments are being created, merely new policy. LanternWaste Oct 2015 #36
No... its not necessary. TampaAnimusVortex Oct 2015 #37
 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
3. I understand why. Like with all things: There's always some stupid assholes who fuck everything..
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 10:43 PM
Oct 2015

...up for everybody. Get the drone and fly over airports like the stupid dumb-fuck that you are.
Get the drone and fly around the neighborhood either scaring or spying on everybody.

You can't give human beings just about anything without some of them fucking it up..

IthinkThereforeIAM

(3,075 posts)
16. Yep...
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 01:21 AM
Oct 2015

... my sentiments, exactly. If there is a regulation concerning something, then somewhere in the past, someone(s) badly abused a right or privilege so the practice had to be regulated to protect the common good.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
17. Twice this summer when they were battling a huge fire
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 01:26 AM
Oct 2015

in the Sierras just north of here, the planes that were dropping fire retardant on the fires were temporarily grounded because of drones. It's going to happen. One of these stupid things is going to interfere with a plane and bring it down in which case the owner of said drone should be charged with murder.

32. Same thing happened with a large fire here in SoCal
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 02:22 PM
Oct 2015

All tankers -- including the DC-10 --were grounded for a full day because of a drone. The fire spread 30% larger because tankers weren't there.

Same thing happened a few days later with a smaller fire. All planes and copters grounded because a couple of idiots just had to check out the fire with their drones.

I like drones and want to get one some day. I'm also a pilot so I agree with reasonable regulation of the activity.

Why people hate drones:

bluevoter4life

(786 posts)
11. No
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 11:32 PM
Oct 2015

Though I see the sarcasm, kites are tethered, are not designed to fly around remotely, and for the most part, won't get more than 50 feet off the ground. Far lower than would pose any threat to an aircraft unless you were literally standing on the runway. I work at an airport and have never seen anyone nearby with a kite nor have any aircraft reported seeing one. Not saying it hasn't/ doesn't happen, but the threat to aircraft is incredibly miniscule. Drones on the other hand.....

rwsanders

(2,594 posts)
15. what is odd to me though is that these "drones"
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 12:48 AM
Oct 2015

are not really as flight capable (from what I have read) as a standard RC airplane, and the only difference is the presence of a camera, which can easily be added to any "park flyer" (i.e. 'smaller' RC planes that don't require any registration). As cameras get smaller they could conceivably be added even to a small Airhogs brand craft that kids fly. Its going to be hard to draw any meaningful lines on this one in my opinion. So it will create an unmanagable and largely ignored law.

William Seger

(10,775 posts)
28. Cameras are already that small
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 12:36 PM
Oct 2015

... and cheap! This toy quad with a 720x480 camera is less than $50:



It's got a pretty limited radio range, however -- maybe 75 yards.

A lot of park fliers and quads have been using these 720p "keychain" cameras for years because they only weigh about 18 grams and actually produce pretty good video:


onehandle

(51,122 posts)
24. It's things like this that prove that massive gun regulation is coming.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 08:21 AM
Oct 2015

That's why so many gungeoneers are in this thread.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
26. The government can regulate drones without Congress passing laws
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 12:17 PM
Oct 2015

They can't do the same with guns. Don't they teach civics anymore?

bluevoter4life

(786 posts)
10. FINALLY
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 11:27 PM
Oct 2015

Though I wonder what they are going to do about those that are already flying around unregistered. They still pose a great threat to aviation safety. I'm glad to see they are finally taking steps to reduce the likelihood of a catastrophic event. Now, if only they required formal training and a certification process, we'd be all set.

 

NobodyHere

(2,810 posts)
14. What set the FAA off?
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 12:16 AM
Oct 2015

Did the NFL try to complain that someone was taping one of their games or something?

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
35. one may surmise that the safety of low airspace was also a factor.
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 03:56 PM
Oct 2015

Near misses between airlines and drones in NYC, Christchurch, NZ, Sidney, London and The Liege may have had something to do with it as well.

With an average of two reports per day from pilots (and that's in the US only) saying they spotted an unmanned aerial vehicle within unsafe proximity to aircraft (a drone getting sucked into a jetliner engine is not a good thing), one may surmise that the safety of low airspace was also a factor.

On edit: Additionally, this is not a knee-jerk reaction by the FAA. This is a policy that has been worked and re-worked over the past seven years rather than an isolated incident which 'set them off.'

petronius

(26,595 posts)
18. I'm not seeing the point: in order to hold someone responsible for a violation, wouldn't
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 01:58 AM
Oct 2015

the drone have to be captured? How often does that happen, and if it's as uncommon as I suspect would this system be worth the cost?

Or will there be some requirement for drones or controllers to broadcast some sort of ID, so that bad-actors can be identified immediately?

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
20. What are we going to require of the US government's drones?
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 07:35 AM
Oct 2015

I mandate that they hit their target and only their target at a bare minimum. Better still they stop being used all together since they are tools of terror.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
23. I called it.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 08:17 AM
Oct 2015

Some time last year, then here in July:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017279372

A while back I made an argument that there was an intersection between gun culture and drones that would eventually bring regulations to both.

I was laughed at by gun trolls.




The tipping point approacheth.

Tick tick tick...

hack89

(39,171 posts)
27. So what government agency can regulate guns
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 12:20 PM
Oct 2015

Like the FAA can regulate drones? The answer is none. Don't they teach civics anymore?

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
30. I always thought this would be a "perfect crime" thing....
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 12:53 PM
Oct 2015

You park the drone outside the victim's home or office and establish your alibi in another state.

Call the victim to see if they are in place and then control the drone through an app on a throwaway phone. After shooting them dead you fly the drone out to sea or into a lake. If you can get a patsy's prints on the gun you could have the drone drop the gun at the scene before leaving.

Coming soon to an episode of CSI.

TampaAnimusVortex

(785 posts)
34. Because we need yet another department of idiotic bureaucrats
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 03:38 PM
Oct 2015

Next we need knife regulation, hot stovetop touching regulation, and conversion of all throwing type balls to be Nerf only.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
36. No new departments are being created, merely new policy.
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 04:00 PM
Oct 2015

No new departments are being created, merely new policy to address the number of near misses, the privacy concerns and necessary low-atmosphere flight coordination that will eventually be needed as the drones becomes less expensive, easier to use, and more of a concern to both private and commercial pilots.

TampaAnimusVortex

(785 posts)
37. No... its not necessary.
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 04:23 PM
Oct 2015

The world will keep on spinning just fine without a few more books of regulations.

Privacy and collision avoidance are already being handled.

If your terrified about a drone peeking through your window, why aren't you similarly paranoid about peeping Toms already? If your so sensitive to the possibility that someone might peek at you, you would be much better served with adding some frosted glass than expecting "registered drones" to solve your issues.

Collision avoidance is a field in its own right, currently being build into self-driving cars and I'm perfectly sure it will end up in drones as well.

Is there anything that should be beyond the myopic mindset of a bureaucrat? How about we mandate that all children should be required to wear air bags covering their entire bodies in case they fall or get hit with something? Absurd? Of course... You might say its far beyond the line to regulate such silliness. Others would say regulating drones are similarly silly.

Exactly where would YOU stop, and how do you respond to the next guy who wants to take things further than you?

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