that Trump was full of shit when he said that Obama was born in Kenya?

truthisfreedom

If not for the mismanagement before 9/11 2001 - the terror attack would possible not have been possible at all... And it was on George Walkers Bush watch - even if the same who have lauded "W" as a hero - is the same who even try to invent the narrative that it was not on Bush watch - but on Obama watch 9/11 the attack happend... Even if Obama was nothing more than a blimp on the radar - when Bush was reading my pet goat upside down no less - in a elementary school when the news of the first aircraft hitting WTC was made posible for everyone...

At least - under Obama - no more grand scala attack have ever happened - as he do his job, protecting the US

Diclotican

Although "The Pet Goat" wasn't actually upside down. That was a cute photoshop job that conveyed bush's utter stupidity.

truthisfreedom

I might be preatching to the choir - But at least I put the responsiblity where it belong - in the Bush administration - not making up things like conservative do - an claim it was the fault of the president who followed upon Bush 7 years later who was to blame for it...

And even then if it was a photoshop job - one was not needing any of it - to convey the utter stupidity of the Bush administration - the first year he was in office - he managed to offend most of Europe - and China in less than a year... Not bad for a dimwith like Bush....

Dicloticna

Yea you kind of are.

brucefan

Then prove me wrong about George Walker Bush jr not doing his job before 9/11 when he ignored every warning given to him - about the posiblity of a attac on the United States of America - or that in august 2001, he was warned directly about a posiblity of an attac on american soil...

Prove me wrong - or stop japping about as you was on frontpagemag or some other right wing sites

Diclotican

Dicktocan.I was referring to the Pet Goat photoshop

brucefan

Good - I have had for many of this silly villy conservatives who is trying to reinvent history

Diclotican

I've seen the exact same thing with the Obamas holding their left hands over their heart during the national anthem. Its fake but its been out there so long too many believe its real

...whom????? WTH is she taking about?

Clinton was President when Osama Saddam's agents attacked on September 11. Fortunately, Bush the Frat Boy and his sidekick, the Big Dick, took office that very afternoon and began planning for war against the criminal mastermind Saddam Hussein, without whom this dastardly attack would never have happened.

And anybody who tells it otherwise is a commienazifascisttliberalmuslim who should rot in Gitmo.

Britain's prime minister played a major role in the creation of Iraq and other countries after the defeat of the Ottoman empire in WW1.

So, I blame England.

in 1919 had no problem using poison gas on brownskinned Arab tribes. That would make 9-11 a serious case of blowback!

And at least 20% of Americans believe her!

Anytime Trump makes shrub look like the idiot he was is fantastic. This moronic sociopath will never be President but fortunately he's making sure that shrubs brother won't either.

Lord, I hope Trump wins his primary. I would love to see what that does to Republican turn-out on election day.

Come on, Donnie. Let us know the real deal. Who put those nano-particle explosives in the steel beams of the World Trade Center? Who landed the airliners and transported the passengers to secret locations? Who fired the secret missiles at the Pentagon? Was it Bush? Was he president at the time? Or was Obama secretly running the country from his hideout in Kenya?

the disappearing passengers and the missile are my favorite bullshit theories. Especially the Pentagon. SO many people saw the plane come in, hitting lightposts and nearly cars on its way. And "truthers' will STILL swear it was a missile

Don't think so.

I happen to enjoy poking fun at truther idiots, so the subject was brought up and I responded. Big deal. Take it up with the post above mine

who's the real idiot?

Anyone who believes ANY of those "theories", especially the "missile hit the Pentagon", is a full blown idiot. Not intended to give Bush a pass at all, just to point out how otherwise educated people can ignore reality because of their hatred of him. These nonsensical distractions have been easily debunked for years. People are willing to buy into ANYTHING because they watch too many movies & TV shows whose subject is how the government is SO deceitful and SO sneaky that they're pulling off unbelievable schemes on a daily basis. Its the Illuminati! Skull & Bones!
There is more evidence of aliens than any of the bullshit theories Post 7 made fun of.

Your, ANY of those "theories" is a great distraction. Look at a few of them everyone, and you will begin to see that there is much more to see there than the recent Bengazi committees witch hunts will ever uncover.

Your post is a bit hard for me to follow the way its written. sorry.

...which, if any, unanswered question remain about 9/11 for you.

The only ones for me would be not taking threat info seriously enough before 9/11. But even then, i see a little of it. I remember seeing stories on their threats long before 9/11 and thinking "oh, they'd never be able to pull off anything like that". But that should have never been an official viewpoint

But anyone who thinks a MISSILE hit the Pentagon shouldnt be allowed to operate machinery or be near sharp objects.

sometimes I'm not signed in for long periods without realizing it.

So, only unheeded warnings. Nothing in the official report leaves any unanswered questions for you?

OK, so now all you have to do is explain in detail specifically why the many unanswered questions that have been asked by many (what I consider to be) reasonable people are idiotic to be asked. If you can explain them all then you have the right to call them idiots.

It seems to me that you're jumping the gun. Just answer the questions. Go to any website and provide the answers that seem so obvious to you. Let me know how that works out. Frankly, I would be very happy to be disabused of my idiocy.

I'm not sure of what website you're talking about, but the missile theory is so very simple. There IS video of the jet hitting the bldg, there IS damage leading to the bldg which could NOT have been left by a missile, there are REAL people who saw the jet scream across the highway to the bldg & there ARE aircraft parts recovered at the scene.
As for the other sites, we hear people say "you cant prove "X" DIDNT happen". Well, its always hard to prove a negative. The best proof is that there is so little proof of the positives the CT people look for. Remote controlled jets? Disappearing people? A missile fired from "somewhere"? "Blowing" bldg 7 HOURS after the towers fell? Why wait? Wouldnt the PERFECT time to drop #7 be at the sane time as the other 2?? Of course! No one would suspect a thing! Excessive short selling of airline stocks? Nope, there wasnt. The JEws didnt come to work? Nope, didnt happen. But yet people STILL push that!! Phone calls from the passengers were faked? Really??And the "demolition" theory? I get a little personal with this one because of my experience 2 weeks before 9/11. There was an old double smokestack near where I worked to be torn down. For TWO WEEKS a demolition crew prepared those stacks for a controlled demolition. If the WTC had explosives inside, it would have taken WEEKS and a LOT of people to actually load the building. Not to mention the fact that EVERY tv showed the buildings dropping from the TOP DOWN, which would easily cause a pancake effect. Just go loo at it again. #2 was hit later but fell first. Why? Because it was hit LOWER and had more weight above to fail. Jet fuel cant "melt steel"? Maybe not, but it didnt HAVE to "melt" it. Jet fuel burns hot enough to weaken steel by well over 50% which is more than enough to fail a structure.
The only "theory" that hasnt been debunked is that the govt did not give enough credence to the intel they had and the reports they were given. And if the reports were right, which they were, how could there ALSO be this coordinated "plan" involving hundreds, if not thousands, of people?
Oh, one more thing. Why would Osama Bin Laden constantly claim responsibility for 9/11 if he wasnt involved? Why would he want all his work to be destroyed? He had taken control of a country and pretty much been left alone. There are plenty of people who dont make money giving speeches and writing books who have explained in detail just what happened.

...we know that the cia, and all branches of the gov't actually do lie from time to time.

you should not be presenting your arguments to me. you should be arguing with scientists and others who have determined through their investigations that the official story is not true. i don't claim to know what happened, or have the expertise to go toe-to-toe with you on any of the details, but I believe there are people with serious expertise who would give you and your assertions a run for your money. from your posts it sounds like it's really important to you that the official story be true. (btw, there are people within the govt who think the official report was a whitewash). i think you owe it to yourself and others to engage seriously in cementing that opinion among serious people who believe otherwise (insults don't count as serious). 9/11 was a tragedy of immense proportions and there is no way we should leave any serious questions unanswered. of course, as you seem to think there are no unanswered questions you'll likely just keep ranting.

I just believe that most are associated with the failures of the govt to pay attention to the intel and actually believe it; as well as the connection of money to the terrorists and where IT came from.
I have read many of the reports from these experts. And I have also noticed that many of them are making quite a good living selling books and speeches. I have also read the responses from other intelligent scientists and engineers that show where the others are skipping a lot of info in order to reach the desired conclusion. As mentioned before, the missile theory at the Pentagon is the most easily trashed simply because everyone SAW the jet. I just dont see why its so hard to believe what happened in the actual incidents. I mean, a truck parked NEAR the bldg in OKC took down most of that building, why is it so hard to believe that a fully loaded jet flying 600mph could cut a big enough swath in a tower to weaken it?
But the CT folks will continue to make cash off of it, just as the Kennedy killing brings in the cash 50 years later

see http://911scholars.org/
Airplanes that carry 300 people with 50 to 75 passengers flying between major U.S. cities? No damage to the Pentagon lawn? A hole too small for an airplane? A BYU professor pointing out the immense heat that could only be caused by a thermite reaction, who suddenly goes silent after Bush visits Utah's Mormon leaders who run BYU and control his job and his pension?...and that would be just the tip of the iceberg.

On April 10, 2004, the Bush White House declassified that daily brief —
and only that daily brief — in response to pressure from the 9/11 Commission,
which was investigating the events leading to the attack. Administration
officials dismissed the document’s significance, saying that, despite the jawdropping
headline, it was only an assessment of Al Qaeda’s history, not a
warning of the impending attack. While some critics considered that claim
absurd, a close reading of the brief showed that the argument had some
validity.
That is, unless it was read in conjunction with the daily briefs preceding
Aug. 6, the ones the Bush administration would not release. While those
documents are still not public, I have read excerpts from many of them, along
with other recently declassified records, and come come to an inescapable
conclusion: the administration’s reaction to what Mr. Bush was told in the
weeks before that infamous briefing reflected significantly more negligence
than has been disclosed. In other words, the Aug. 6 document, for all of the
controversy it provoked, is not nearly as shocking as the briefs that came
before it.
The direct warnings to Mr. Bush about the possibility of a Qaeda attack
began in the spring of 2001. ...

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/11/opinion/the-bush-white-house-was-deaf-to-9-11-warnings.html

I'm surprised it was in the NYT, too.

Of course this was what we were all thinking. But to see it written so openly is revealing. I always thought the PNAC papers were significant indications of intent. And they have smart people who can game the system. I think it's a citizenry that is powerless, as well. How does one invade and kill and not see immediate justice. If there is anything that happens, it'll be what I call Pinochet years. That's a 30+ year period.

I have answers, but it's mostly an honor system. Be good, and maybe the world will improve. Haha.

So far he has been able to shrug off any criticism for anything, partly by firing back so intensely that potential critics quake in fear.

I am curious to see how he responds to this.

It's true. Whether Bush was negligent or not, 9/11 happened on his watch. So no, he didn't 'keep us safe.'

I mean, really, that is all he said.

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BFEE Judge Solverman says people who say Bush lied America into war are NAZIs. The former West Point prof said war on terra critics should be executed. Based on the evidence, Bush is a traitor for letting 9-11 happen.

They use this to discredit as kooky anyone who dares say W didn't keep us safe, and the media immediately runs with it. Truthers are the ones who say 9/11 was an inside job. It doesn't have to be an inside job to say he didn't keep us safe. And even if it was an inside job, W wasn't in on it, he's too stupid. He would have just been the useful idiot they could send away to clear brush and leave the Fox guarding the henhouse.

Sanders campaign got that right.

Alex Jones? I did not see that coming...

must pass before responsibility for our security becomes 100% for you and 0% for Pres. Obama?

Then they're ALWAYS clean.

He should be the first to be put on trial. These lying filth can whine all they want to cover their asses. No one was held accountable and promotions and medals were given out to keep people quiet. In my opinion they werent only negligent but purposely allowed 911 to happen to gain power. The punishment should be extreme and no amount of time going by should fade our vigilance in prosecuting them.

The delusion runs deep and wide on this one.

But, one wonders how much longer they're going to protect him.

He said "It happened on HIS WATCH!". It DID! The August PDB has been well known since the congressional hearings. The "he kept us safe" crap was a joke when it was first said and still is.

Had there been a Dem in the WH back then we'd still be being blamed for the the first attack on US soil, and we'd hear it EVERY DAY!

I congratulate Trump for mentioning it. The American people have a very short memory that needs reminded of things like that every so often. I'm just glad a Pub did us the favor of doing so before we had to do it.

Do the families of the people in the towers and the planes and the pentagon think he kept them safe? There were serious warnings by advisers (including the "hair on fire" reference)... I've forgotten much of the actual dialogue, but it's still there in the records, a part of history.

Trump is a blowhard, but he's right on with this one. Jeb! wants to rewrite history, but it sounds like Trump won't let him.

Who profited?

The entire military industrial complex

Companies like Boeing that build military aircraft

Government contractors like Hallibuton that got no-bid, cost-plus contracts

Oil & Gas companies that finally got their Trans Afghanistan pipeline - it starts construction in December.

and overwhelming evidence that official story is a lie.

Cheney was in charge. Bush was just the figurehead who only did what he was told to do.

So, see, Ari wasn't exactly lying. bush could never have masterminded 9/11, but Cheney? Oh yeah.

and Bush Administration members exactly where is all this backlash against Trump going to come from? I think I heard some grousing from Peter King but that's about it.

The last thing the Republicans want is an extended national debate on all the warnings the Bush Administration received on impending terror attacks and their refusal to address the issue in any meaningful way. The "Bush kept us safe" meme is a preemptive attempt to shut down discussion on the topic. They know that once you get beyond saying "it's a cheap shot" or "that's not fair" they will be left with looney arguments like, "it was Clinton's fault" or "he was only in office for 9 months".

Ari sure spewed all his lies with no remorse.

Peace

It is the only truth to come out of this fools mouth.

It's a miracle.

I hope Trump takes it to the next level and asks for an explanation why building 7 came down.

Welcome to DU. Since Ari mentioned "truthers," what they believe is not entirely off-topic, but for actually discussing things like WTC 7 "truther" bullshit as if it had any validity, we have a dedicated group.

Don't pay it any attention. You were correct!

I hope he launches an investigation if he's elected president. I don't like many of his positions, and I won't be voting for him, but when he makes sense he really makes sense.

I dare ya.

He lied and lied and lied and lied and lied ....

"I just think he (Trump) belongs to an extraordinarily small faction of people who blame 9/11 on George Bush," Fleischer said.

this should have been on the table every election after 9/11.

Snacilbuper! Everything backwards with them.

that Bush-Cheney bear no responsibility for 9/11 at all, and that they kept us safe!

But there are too many witnesses

arrgghhh!

Some things never change. Glad to know they are that far into denial. MOST of the WORLD blames Bush for 9/11. Along with his families good friends, the Bin Ladens.

No conspiracy changes who was president that day. Trumps statement in your post is accurate.

some repuke will eventually say that .