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riversedge

(70,094 posts)
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 07:22 PM Oct 2015

After Lois Lerner Cleared, Republicans Move To Impeach IRS Commissioner (Updated)

Source: crooksandliars.com





By Karoli

10/27/15 1:16pm




Credit: Wall Street Journal


Evidently IRS Commissioner John Koskinen is to be the sacrificial lamb Republicans take hostage to atone for the sin of being completely wrong about the so-called "targeting scandal."

Jason Chaffetz just announced -- to great sound and fury -- that his committee filed four articles of impeachment against an IRS commissioner who was not commissioner at the time the so-called "scandal" occurred.



Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, announced at a Monday press conference that his committee has asked the President to remove Koskinen from office. He accused the IRS commissioner of misleading Congress and failing to cooperate with the congressional investigation into the IRS's alleged targeting of conservative groups under the tenure of Koskinen's predecessor, Steven Miller.

"Mr. Koskinen failed to testify truthfully. The statements that he made to Congress were false," Chaffetz said Monday. "It is imperative that this committee pursue all constitutional remedies. That may include contempt and it even may include impeachment of Mr. Koskinen." ...........more......

Read more: http://crooksandliars.com/2015/10/after-lois-lerner-cleared-republicans-move



Whow. these Republicans are beyond the pale!
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Teagan

(62 posts)
1. Evidently, the taxpayers are going to want an audit of the Republican spending spree investigating
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 07:24 PM
Oct 2015

nothing but made up scandals.

Let's focus on the /real/ scandals - oh, like why Exxon lied to the world about climate change for 40 years?

houston16revival

(953 posts)
4. Remember WMDs
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 08:06 PM
Oct 2015

and in 2003-2006 the GOPigs were screaming that Democrats shouldn't investigate WMDs
because it was too expensive and a waste of taxpayer money!

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
3. Fuck off, fascists and losers! What you are witnessing is the death rattle of a failed Party.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 07:36 PM
Oct 2015

Please keep arms and legs within the red lines, it is going to be a bumpy ride to the finish.

 

OldRedneck

(1,397 posts)
5. That's not all . . .
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 08:17 PM
Oct 2015

First came the "Benghazi Special Committee." Then this.

And now we find:
-- Another "special committee" to "investigate" Planned Parenthood
-- And another committee to investigate NOAA over the agency's climate change conclusions

riversedge

(70,094 posts)
13. All in time to stir up trouble for the GE. I think a person who does not believe in science should
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 09:57 AM
Oct 2015

be kicked out of Congress.

stuffmatters

(2,574 posts)
6. The IRS should reinstate the definition of social welfare exemption with "entirely" not "primarily"
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 08:20 PM
Oct 2015

Does anybody in the world think that any of these tax & donor disclosure exempt political groups are non political? Rove's Crossroads, Koch's nefarious nest of dark money, some Democratic leaning too. When ordinary citizens contribute to specific candidates, it's not tax free plus it becomes public knowledge. Why should these organizations & their wealthy donors not play by the same rules and contribute taxes and sunlight to our democracy?

In the Eisenhower Admin the IRS, on their own authority, changed the definition of this tax exemption from "entirely" social welfare to "primarily" social welfare. It now costs the IRS dearly in determining & defending who qualifies for what was once a uniform,strict and unambiguous tax exemption. And because of the Lerner fautrage, now the IRS is weaker enforcing even the post Eisenhower standards for tax exemption. Both the Kochs and Rove were finally under challenge for their social welfare exemptions, rightful challenges to their political 'charities" that conveniently went scot free because of the Lerner chaos.

Lawrence O'Donnell complains about this a lot. It would benefit the IRS and American taxpayers hundreds of millions of collected taxes. Plus take the IRS support for secrecy & untraceable dark money out of political campaigns.

It's clear to me that part of the rush the Koch's & Rove et alios get from saturating political campaigns is that their hundreds of millions-billions are taxfree, leaving the American taxpayer to subsidize the tax "free speech" of the oligarchy.

Hopefully the IRS will respond to this rightwing witch hunt by just lowering the long overdue book on their compromised definition of charity. If charity is defined as entirely social welfare, then nobody, Dem or Repub, has a case to challenge, out lawyer and sue the IRS.

Unknown Beatle

(2,672 posts)
7. They just trying to intimidate the IRS
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 08:54 PM
Oct 2015

because they don't want them looking in the wrong places. Or in this case, the right places for us.

Midnight Writer

(21,719 posts)
8. How dare the jack booted IRS thugs ask for more info
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 01:45 AM
Oct 2015

before granting tax exempt status to these PACs?

These patriotic Political Action Committees with anonymous donors were actually asked to CLARIFY THEIR PURPOSE before the IRS granted them millions in tax breaks!

I don't exactly know, but I will say anyway, This Is What Hitler Did before he took power!!!

Disclaimer: No actual PACs were harmed or injured in any way. No conservative PACs were actually denied tax exempt status, even though according to the actual law, 501-C tax exempt organizations are prohibited from ANY political activity. But we should all still be pissed off at the IRS, because they are Obama's Brownshirts who are destroying our freedoms.

former9thward

(31,949 posts)
15. The IRS says political activity can not be the primary activity.
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 01:13 PM
Oct 2015
IRC 501(c)(4), (c)(5), and (c)(6) organizations may engage in political
campaigns on behalf of or in opposition to candidates for public office provided
that such intervention does not constitute the organization's primary activity.

https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/eotopicl03.pdf
 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
11. It's actually the IRS Commissioner, not Lois Lerner
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 09:37 AM
Oct 2015

In the House a simple majority is needed to impeach him, which I expect they will get. It then goes to the Senate where it essentially becomes a trial and both sides present their case. The IRS Commissioner is allowed his own lawyer if he so desires. It requires a 2/3rds vote to "convict" at which point he would be removed from office. In theory criminal charges could also be placed against him, but since that would require the DOJ to prosecute, that is not likely to happen.

Note, the President can NOT pardon him for the impeachment.

The Republicans seem fairly confident that they have something that will hold up to public scrutiny for them to consider impeaching the IRS Commissioner.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
16. Thanks for clearing that up
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 04:39 AM
Oct 2015

It sounds like the Republicans would have to get at least a dozen Democrats to vote for impeachment if that happened. I think it's not likely, but with the way some of them are voting lately you never know.

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
17. Impeachment occurs in the House and requires a simple majority, they have that
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 10:31 AM
Oct 2015

It's the trial and conviction in the Senate that becomes problematical.

Putting aside what I believe and feel and viewing this dispassionately, the Republicans seem feel their case is strong enough to convince the AVERAGE voter that the IRS Commissioner deserves to be impeached. If they can convince the AVERAGE voter, that will have a negative impact on whoever the Democratic nominee for President is and as well as some Senate races.

 

Abouttime

(675 posts)
10. Ms Lerner deserves a medal!
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 07:53 AM
Oct 2015

She was just doing her job!! Of course all hose Reich wing groups deserved extra scruitiny!!

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
12. where are all the "small government" people?
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 09:51 AM
Oct 2015

anytime government tries to do anything good they yammer on about how much money is "wasted" on programs like food stamps, Social Security and unemployment benefits. And they have no problem funding shit like this? These people all need to be primaried and or voted out ASAP. I will be very curious to see if all of the nonestablishment trump fans are willing to dump these people from Congress if they really true to their word about government wasting money.

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