from abusing again. It would only prevent him from having children and disfiguring the convicted.

The ignorance that abounds in this country staggers the mind.

For every mistake and one of the legislators that voted for this piece of crap bill gets castrated
This thing would sink in the swamp that it came from

all castration for any reason for anyone is evil. Especially because something tells me the Trump-loving redneck southern hicks are dying to do this to blacks no matter how shoddy the case might be against him.

This needs to stop. It's stealth eugenics.

Testosterone replacement--reversed.

if it works it creates more violent offenders.

means normal males. For some body builders, they've been know to take 400x normal dose.

but I know nothing about that. I know what I have read though is castrated men when committing a sex offense are more violent. So, I am against castration on those grounds alone. The continuing punishment of someone that did there time is another issue. If you truly believe someone is so likely to reoffend that he needs to be castrated then that person should not be released with or without castration.

Forget about castration before release. Just don't release them...Ever.

Or a town that is only sex offenders like some pastor built in Florida. I don't care where they are as long as they never hurt another child again.

Can we stop calling Republicans and conservatives that and just call them Nazi Fascists, since that is what the are and have become?

Hand salutes, banning immigration, registering muslims, forced labor camps, torture, forcing people to wear symbols to show what they are, attacking and beating up dissenters. . .all things the Brownshirts and NAzis did and the Republicans seem to like and support.

or similar proposals if voted on in a referendum? I really don't believe you would like the answer if tested.

Although I would oppose such a measure for no other reason than it simply would be ineffective, it hardly makes one a Nazi or Brownshirt if they believe those properly convicted of sexual offenses again very young children should be severely punished and mechanisms instituted ensure such acts can never be repeated.

All invoking Goodwin's Law does is weaken your argument and credibility, likely inadvertently offend many otherwise very liberal people who simply have little to no tolerance for pedophiles, and lose allies who might have been sympathetic concerning other progressive criminal justice reforms.

Why not torture them too? I know, we can use good old fashioned tortures to do it.

What the fuck has my country become? I don't recognize this place anymore.

Because I don't want people maimed by the States, I have tolerance for pedophiles? GTFO!!!

And if I lose credibilty with an authoritarian, so be it. I refuse to support measures Mussolini and Hitler used. I guess that makes me a pedophile lover.

I never stated you should support the proposal, and I certainly do not for both legal and practical reasons.

However, it's entirely possible to support such measures without being the equivalent to Nazis. There's a reason why the sexual predation of young children is considered so heinous and unforgivable that even among hardened, violent criminals, those convicted of such crimes must be sequestered lest they be quickly and brutally killed by their fellow inmates.

I personally believe that anyone duly convicted of sexual assault of a child should spend their remaining days behind bars with absolutely no chance of parole.

any system used by Nazis or brownshirts.

The UK used chemical castration on gay men.

Loathsome as the Nazis were, this is a bigger problem, with a worse history than just the Nazis. 'Civilized' 'nice guy' countries have done it too.

I can't believe people are arguing with me over this. WTF!?!?! When did this become Authoritarian-supporters Underground?？？？

I am completely against it.

But I'm also going to point out flaws in an argument offered up against any subject. It's a chance to make the argument better. That's all.

Castrating even these offenders is simple petty barbaric revenge. Doesn't fix anything.

but with this there is no other side. it's wrong 100% and shouldn't be debated at all. It's an issue that only has one side.

They didn't invent it, nor did they perfect it. And they used a lot of things that you do willingly use today.
It's just one of those statements that is so over the top, sure I get what you meant, but it weakens your argument by being, essentially, meaningless filler.

That's all. Not playing devil's advocate at all, actually. I agree, the other side is indefensible.

The interesting part of these draconian proposals is they are made by the very same people who regard Muslims as primitive and barbaric.

Them. Simply put them in general jail population. They brag to the wrong ear about raping kids they will never live to be released to hurt another child.a pedophile can destroy a kid for life. My life has been made very hard because of a pedophile monster and i would rather every pedo on earth die than another kid have thier life messed up .pedos get out too easy they never stop. They cannot be trusted without a cage. .

Increasingly severe sex offender laws nationwide are convincing some criminals to take drastic measures in an effort to prove they are fit for society — even resorting to a treatment so brutal it disappeared from the criminal justice system decades ago.

At least 15 repeat sex offenders in California alone have asked for surgical castration as a way of avoiding indefinite incarceration, according to the Los Angeles Times. Over the last three years, two offenders — including a pedophile freed three months ago — have walked free from state mental hospitals after undergoing the surgery.

California is one of at least seven states with laws that mandate continued civil confinement of convicted offenders even after their prison terms expire. Although opponents challenged the constitutionality of the laws for years, claiming they violate "double jeopardy" rules, the measures are here to stay.

In January, the U.S. Supreme Court all but ruled out the possibility that civil confinement ever could be challenged in federal court as double jeopardy.

California is also one of a handful of states that mandate castration — either chemical or surgical — for repeat offenders before being released. Texas was the first state to offer castration to repeat offenders on a voluntary basis.

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.http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=93947

should ever be released from prison. They should die behind bars.

The only time we should ever hear about a "repeat sex offender" is if that individual tried to commit another crime while in prison, and this too should be rare to non-existent.

it is never really that simple. How do you know if they were actually guilty and not simply wrongly convicted? Many cases of date rape, for example, aren't that clear cut. Or what about a simple technicality that someone one day is a minor and the very next day they are a consenting adult? A single day can make the difference between consentual sex and being labeled a pedophile for life. Our legal system is flawed and people do get wrongfully convicted.

And what really is a sex offender? Is there really one label that covers everyone out there who has been convicted of a sex offense? Some people are messed up and simply need proper therapy, training, and rehabilitation and many sex offenders respond very well to this. Some people were abused as children and act out that same abuse as adults. Some people have mental illnesses that affect their behavior and are not able to fully understand the hurt they cause others. On the other hand, some people are predators that actively seek out victims and they themselves admit they won't ever change.

From my experience in my line of work, there are many, many people out there who are on the on the verge of becoming sex offenders. They have issues with particular types of pornography that show they are fantasizing about children, rape, exhibitionism, voyeurism, or other behaviors that harm others. The only difference between them and "sex offenders" is simply that they have not had the opportunity or were simply never caught. To simply cast out those who were caught is to ignore the reality that we are surrounded by those who might wish to harm us or have at least fantasized about doing so and may very well act out on those fantasies if the opportunity arises. The majority of sex offenses are opportunistic and perpetrated by someone the victim knows.

Rather than focusing on more and more extreme punishments for those who have committed sex offenses, we need to focus our efforts on proper education and making help readily available to those who need it.

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In reference to the OP, for purposes of this discussion and the sample law at issue, it would be a child 12 years old or younger committed by an aduly.

This is not some gray area, date rape scenario, or forlorn high school love. It is the unequivocal rape of a true child clearly incapable of consent or understanding. It potentially destroys the entire life of a true innocent without any recognized defense in law, morality or ethics.

Moreover, "properly convicted" most definitely includes all appropriate due process and appeals. I wish neither to change established laws or procedures, nor lower any standards of proof or constitutional trial protections.

When you've crossed the rubicon of the knowing and willful sexual predation of young child, the time for any pity and education (and mortal redemption) is long over. I have no objection to these people receiving treatment in prison (although the efficacy is dubious, at best), nor do I approve of mutilation or gratuitous torture as desired by the legislators in the OP. Nevertheless, these monsters should still spend their dying breadth behind bars, both to protect the public and as punishment. Justice deserves nothing less.

Are you suggesting we no longer imprison people because there might be mistakes?

My only point is that an adult duly convicted of sexually assaulting a young child should receive a mandatory life sentence without the possibility of parole. All appeals, due process, and similar protections would remain the same, and I would not support legislation like the OP forcing involuntary surgery or other torture of those convicted of these or any other crimes.

What do you believe should be the appropriate punishment for sexual predators of young children?

Chemical castration is reverseable, and the only ones getting physical castration are ASKING for it to be done to them.

The OP's proposal states that physical castration is the ONLY option proposed.

Based on how things go with other such measures, count on this one to be applied overwhelmingly to blacks.

Haven't these idiots ever heard of "cruel and unusual punishment"?

The same "living Constitution" that now permits same-sex marriage and abortion can easily be interpreted to allow surgical castration or worse (e.g., consider the current arguments about capital punishment). In fact, I seriously doubt there would be much public disapproval if such a punishment was widely implemented against sexual predators of young children, a group most people from across the political spectrum have little to no sympathy.

The people who vote Republican in this country continue to be the dumbest people within our borders.

We might as well just start gouging eyes and amputating limbs.

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What an ugly view they have of life on this planet, which they imagine they own.

This is sooo backwards. And i'm against sex offenders - but I don't believe in cutting off body parts for any crime. No.

How is that better?

First of all, we should probably at least make SOME attempt to remain ahead of the countries where people just round up the nearest guilty looking person and hack his hand off when someone's shit goes missing. I realize this is hard for some people, but we ought to at least put in an effort.

Second of all, what are you going to do if the accuser recants in twenty years? Go dig his nuts out of the freezer and sew them back on? How many people would've been castrated over the Satanic Panics and other assorted moral crusader invented sex abuse rings? If nothing else the lawsuits involved in a "The state cut off my nuts and I was later proven innocent" type crusade would bankrupt the state, and deservedly so.

No wonder our roads fucking suck, we're too busy spending all our money trying to Old Testament everything around us.

Instead of putting drug users in jail, keep the damn child molesters and child abusers in jail.

One of the reason the death sentence was dropped for most other crimes was that criminals reported given a choice between leaving a witness alive or killing them off would leave the victim alive if the sentence for murder was much higher then whatever other crime they were doing. If the sentence for Murder and what crime the criminal was doing was the same, the criminal had every incentive to kill the victim, one less witness to testify at any trial. On the other hand, if the crime only carried a much shorter sentence, then it was worth the risk of leaving the victim alive even if the victim could then testify against the criminal at trial.

This remains true in states that do NOT have the Death Penalty. Do you want someone to think, "I will get a life sentence for the crime that I did and the same sentence if I kill the victim and have one less witness against me"? The answer is generally no, you do not want to encourage someone killing someone and that is what you are doing when you make the sentence for any crime the same as Murder. Thus crimes less then Murder have lesser punishments attached to them.

Just unbelievable.

The studies I have read all state that Castration does NOT prevent such attacks in the future. The lack of sex organs makes it harder for the abuser to do what he wants to do, but not impossible. In the cases I have read, other objects were used to penetrate the victim when the abuser had undergone such "treatment". Thus this is ineffective at best. Sounds good and relates to how to minimize problems with male horses, mules and Oxen but seems to have no effect on Humans.

I know people feel that the release of pedophiles is a problem, but if they've served their time, then they've served their time. Combined with the problems of harassment that registered sex offenders face, I really do think we need to pursue better solutions to the disposition of those that would harm others or be hounded under suspicion of such, following their release. I don't think castration is really a viable or sane solution however.

Perhaps voluntarily-segregated communities like the one in Florida...we have plenty of islands and remote locations where it would be possible to build villages and towns where sex offenders could choose to live where they would be free from harassment and free from the temptation of the presence of potential victims. Controlled access and remote location means people with bad intentions towards the residents would be easy to keep out as would children, the infirm and other potential victims.

Oh, that's right. It's from fundies, so it's all good.