The Air Force's New $1 Trillion Fighter Jet Has a Software Bug So Stupid It's Amazing
Source: Yahoo news
The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, the Pentagon's next-generation fighter program that costs $400 billion for the first 2,457 planes and is expected to cost well over $1 trillion over the course of its 55-year life cycle, still has some very serious technical problems.
According to a report in the Guardian, in addition to a slew of previously reported problems such as vulnerability to lightning strikes and zero tested capability to resist cyber attacks the plane's radar system just occasionally stops working, forcing pilots to actually turn it off and reboot it before it will work again.
That's right. It's the Top Gun equivalent of pulling a Nintendo cartridge out of the machine and blowing on it except when it's done with a Nintendo, an enemy fighter jet typically can't sneak up and blow you out of the air.
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In 2014, the cost of the F-35 program up to that point could buy every homeless person in the U.S. a $600,000 home, unilaterally fund most recognized humanitarian crises, feed all schoolchildren in the U.S., or fund much of the desperately needed $1.1 trillion in repairs civil engineers estimate is needed to rejuvenate U.S. infrastructure.
Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/air-forces-1-trillion-fighter-191600101.html
scscholar
(2,902 posts)Getting tired of that damn constant blue screen.
TexasProgresive
(12,155 posts)YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)sakabatou
(42,136 posts)UpInArms
(51,280 posts)that silly BSD thing
ozone82
(91 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)They will be working overtime, and cutting corners, to meet deadlines.
Right now, the plane can't even talk to it's own weapon systems. Fuck the radar. It can't FIRE anything.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)They changed the background from blue to black. Can't blue screen of death anymore!!
Tab
(11,093 posts)something like "An error in Windows has occurred". That got quoted so often, they moved to a much more complicated description that wasn't a sound bite. After that, they moved to this elaborate blue screen loaded with text, but the populus shortened that to simple "the blue screen of death" (or BSOD) and now apparently it's black.
On the bright side, you can still call it the BSOD, except now the "B" for "blue" stands for "black".
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I would imagine it runs NALCOMIS, STASS, the INTEGRITY system (GreenHills Software) or a host of other specialized OS.
In 2011 or 2012, the US Navy payed $28 mil to Raytheon to install a modified (read: secured) versions of Linux on its VTOL drones.
But I don't know if those result in blue screen or not.
rickford66
(5,521 posts)All of the engine and fight controls I've worked on employed s/w you never see in commercial work. Maybe times have changed. Simulators use LINUX OS and C++. The sims and real boxes are isolated from the outside, making work on them very difficult, but keeps the s/w clean. The flight and engine computers I've worked on have backup systems which may be degraded slightly, less bells and whistles, but still do the basic work.
valerief
(53,235 posts)the WAR industry. And it did. That's all those machines are supposed to do.
TeamPooka
(24,207 posts)LongTomH
(8,636 posts)We can't afford to:
- provide Medicare for All healthcare to all citizens.
- fix our crumbling infrastructure,
- provide free college for our young people,
- provide quality child care for working parents at low or no cost.
- Add your own list!!!!
But, we sure as Hell can spend a trillion dollars on this turkey of a fighter!!!
ghostsinthemachine
(3,569 posts)dollars are spent on fixing the fuck ups.
My friends are int he defense industry, in IT work, and they say "I was supposed to be there until May and it's been two years now".. all the time. We need more money. More money.
valerief
(53,235 posts)The war profiteers buy the Treasury's buyers--we call them Congress--and they get unlimited access to that treasure.
hunter
(38,302 posts)Our government is owned, we the people are owned.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)of this nonsense creating jobs in their states or districts.
Fat chance it will disappear. Even things the Pentagon doesn't want get funded for this reason.
tiptonic
(765 posts)About right, when I was in the military, those things (aircraft/gadgets) always failed to work properly. But its the American way, the rich get richer and the poor keep dying in their wars.
Orrex
(63,172 posts)My boss would tear me a new one if I showed a half-penny rounding error on a multi-billion dollar calculation. Certainly such grievous failure would be cited as an excuse to withhold a raise or bonus.
But somehow our cutting edge military technology can tolerate all manner of fuck-ups as long as we keep heaving cash at it.
davidthegnome
(2,983 posts)For a Fighter Jet... that has zero tested capability to resist cyber attacks, a faulty radar system - and vulnerability to lightning strikes. Hmm. A trillion dollars. You know, I just can't find words vile enough to describe how I feel about that.
WhiteTara
(29,692 posts)In 2014, the cost of the F-35 program up to that point could buy every homeless person in the U.S. a $600,000 home, unilaterally fund most recognized humanitarian crises, feed all schoolchildren in the U.S., or fund much of the desperately needed $1.1 trillion in repairs civil engineers estimate is needed to rejuvenate U.S. infrastructure.
davidthegnome
(2,983 posts)Pretty damn telling where the priorities are among the powers that be, isn't it? Trillions in off shore accounts, trillions in the MIC funding, trillions for wars... but, well, fuck the poor, the homeless, education, infrastructure, healthcare... and pretty much everything else... because, you know... uh, corporations are people, money is personhood personified or some shit.
Forgive my vulgar language, this stuff just makes me so sick. How much could we do with that money if we put it to decent purposes? Me and my aching back and my non-existent bank account are feeling the Bern right now... but also feeling the immense disgust with established politics and the almost unimaginable greed and corruption of the MIC, corporate America, Super PACs and so on and so forth.
A trillion dollars for a damned fighter jet that we'd be stupid to use for it's intended purpose. How much will it cost to get the bugs out? Sick sick sick.
phazed0
(745 posts)freebrew
(1,917 posts)it's slower and less maneuverable than the MIG-29.
It costs a lot more though: 400% and growing.
We have to fund Cheney's secret government somehow, right?
Besides, what else could we use the money for? might as well make the 1% richer.
And the financial world can't figure how to pay for healthcare and college?
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)msongs
(67,361 posts)you'll get in trouble.
Raster
(20,998 posts)...we don't take blood oaths or demand perfect syncopation. We're all Democrats on a Democratic discussion board.
Raster
(20,998 posts)...if it means needed jobs for their state or district. The MIC has its tentacles into everything and everyone.
Yes, it's wrong, and Yes it needs to change.
Who is most likely to bring change to that scenario Warhawk Clinton - you know, best buds with war criminals and neocons, or Sanders?
And honestly, between Hill and Bernie: who's gonna be the first to start that war or push that button?
And don't get me wrong: the stranglehold the MIC has on this country is disgusting. But that was the underlying strategy: MIC-related facilities IN EVERY STATE, no one in government could turn them away.
Andy823
(11,495 posts)And he has already admitted it would NOT be on his chopping block when he starts taking on the military waste if he becomes president! A HUGE chunk of taxpayer dollars have been, and will continue to be, wasted on this, and yet Bernie will not add it to his list of "wasteful military spending cuts"!
HillareeeHillaraah
(685 posts)If he were to ever become the nominee
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/09/bernie-sanders-loves-this-1-trillion-war-machine.html
Raster
(20,998 posts)In fact, they would be reaching for everything they could possibly find to try and throw at Bernie. Now Hill, on the other hand, will be the recipient OF YEARS OF INBORN GENETIC RETHUGLICAN HATE.
You want to have a real conversation about Hillary being the Democratic nominee? Fine. Let's talk about her national electability. The numbers last night out of Michigan for her perceived honesty and trustworthiness were downright scary.
The primary season is not over yet, not by a long shot. And if by hook or by crook - emphasis on the crook - Hillary is the nominee, prepare to lose the Presidency. Y'all in the Hillary Hive may not want to look in that direction or have that conversation, but let me assure you, that conversation is taking place in all kinds of places today.
Hillary Clinton is ballot box poison in the general election.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)The "Defense Contractors".
psychopomp
(4,668 posts)The F-35 is getting a lot of flak, but it's the at the crux of our future military capability. Yes, it is a work in progress, but all new major roll-outs of war birds encounter the same birthing pains. Nobody else comes close to this aircraft.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)bemildred
(90,061 posts)jalan48
(13,841 posts)Ford_Prefect
(7,870 posts)been made redundant by updates to Radar.
It may yet be one more billion dollar weapon system that can be brought down by a teenager with a sling shot and a bottle cap.
mountain grammy
(26,598 posts)Nothing says "jobs programs " like military contacts.
FairWinds
(1,717 posts)to join Veterans For Peace.
It amazes me that so many Americans only complain
mildly, if at all, as the MIC steals our country.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)WhiteTara
(29,692 posts)(little pun there..lol)
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)maintain/modernize the current airframes, and those costs will also escalate as the frames continue to age, right?? And at the end of the day we'd still only have one 5th-gen jet (F-22A) which is out of production while Russia and China continue to develop multiple 5th-gens...
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)F-35A = Air Force
F-35B = Marines
F-35C = Navy
Here's the same story minus the screechy editorializing: http://www.janes.com/article/58561/f-35-mission-software-stability-poses-greatest-risk-to-usaf-ioc
WhiteTara
(29,692 posts)IDemo
(16,926 posts)February 25, 2016
The U.S. Air Force has given up on trying to retire the A-10 Thunderbolt ground attack aircraft at least until 2022 and likely well beyond, Defense Secretary Ashton Carter told the House Appropriations Committee on Thursday.
After repeatedly losing the battle with Congress over continued funding for the aircraft, Carter said that the fiscal 2017 proposed budget for the Pentagon was putting off the next fight over retiring the aircraft known as the Warthog to generations of ground troops until 2022.
Even then, Carter said the Air Force and the Defense Department would approach sending the A-10s to the boneyard for outdated aircraft carefully, given the aircrafts strong performance in Iraq and Syria and likely continued support in Congress unless there is a radical makeover in the membership.
http://www.dodbuzz.com/2016/02/25/air-force-shelves-a-10-retirement-plan-until-next-decade/
WhiteTara
(29,692 posts)IDemo
(16,926 posts)They operate at orders of magnitude less expense and out-perform the F-35 at the slow speed ground support stuff.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Send them up on party balloons.
6chars
(3,967 posts)Such colors, such textures, such lines. No one else in the world dresses so fine.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Angel Martin
(942 posts)they are too big, too complex, with too many new things, trying to do them all at once.
the private sector does them as well, eg. GM10 platform.
DOD (and Gov't generally) needs to be forced to limit the novelty in their procurements.
right now they have the mentality that any new plane must have: new materials, new construction methods, new surface coatings, new control surface design, new flight control software, new weapons control software, new weapons systems, new engine technologies, as well as greater range, higher speed, STOL and on and on....
If there was political leadership that said, "no, you cannot have 20 new things, you get to do three, and for the rest of it, use existing tech that is known to work", these projects would have much less chance of being a fiasco.
(faint hope) maybe we will get some reform if Trump is elected: he has no ties to military contractors, and he does not like projects that are over budget and late.
WhiteTara
(29,692 posts)any part of our government.