The Latest: Bundy, Others Face New Counts in Oregon Standoff
Source: ABC
Dozens of armed occupiers who took over a national wildlife refuge in Oregon have been indicted on additional charges.
An indictment unsealed Wednesday reveals new counts against group leader Ammon Bundy and more than two dozen other defendants who were indicted last month on a federal conspiracy charge.
A grand jury indicted Bundy and most of his co-defendants on a charge of firearms possession in a federal facility, and some of those people face another weapons charge.
Three members of the occupation are accused of stealing government property. Two others are charged with damaging an archaeological site deemed sacred to the Burns Paiute Tribe.
Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/latest-man-charged-ranching-standoff-denied-bail-37521219
Tempest
(14,591 posts)underpants
(182,632 posts)bjobotts
(9,141 posts)leftyladyfrommo
(18,866 posts)These guys need to understand there are serious consequences for these kinds of actions.
This will makes other so called militias think before they try armed standoffs.
madokie
(51,076 posts)A Jail Bird
Earth_First
(14,910 posts)...just as soon as they realize that they are facing real prison time for their tirade, they'll start folding on one another in a heartbeat.
Wait for it...
madokie
(51,076 posts)In hindsight it was supposed to be what kind of a bird doesn't fly, a jail bird. I got it all mixed up
Earth_First
(14,910 posts)It will be comical regardless...
Be well!
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)phazed0
(745 posts)... seeing as we have non-violent weed smokers in jail for Life.
Scalded Nun
(1,236 posts)they now receive from the government.
Let's see just how much they like the government really backing away.
MH1
(17,573 posts)I want them to throw the whole frickin' LIBRARY at them.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)jmowreader
(50,533 posts)Federal conviction comes with immediate and permanent loss of the right to bear arms.
Which means, once the judge finds them guilty a big truck full of federal agents will come to their houses and pick up all their Donald Trumps.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)They'll probably need another empty truck to pile all those ammosexual accessories in
IronLionZion
(45,380 posts)they believe they are being oppressed by the federal government somehow and taking over a bird sanctuary was like their Rosa Parks moment
GoldenMean
(49 posts)Two feds are under investigation in the death of Finicum.
Apparently they opened fire first and didn't tell the investigators.
The whole case is shit stained now and the defense lawyers just lit up a cigar.
Cartoonist
(7,311 posts)I don't see how that incident affects the occupation.
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cheapdate
(3,811 posts)or upon those free with outstanding warrants.
keylargo
(42 posts)The shooting has already been deemed righteous so apparently the FBI discharging their weapons' had no bearing.... The dumbass wanted suicide by cop and it's pretty obvious to anyone with a rational thought process. Besides if he had done nothing wrong, why did he run! Dum, da dum dum!!!
MH1
(17,573 posts)you won't be happy at the result.
Meanwhile, as others said, it has absolutely zero to do with the charges against the others.
Meanwhile, the question below about murder charges due to the death occurring during commission of a felony by these others ... well that will be interesting to see.
Ned Flanders
(233 posts)What about the Felony Murder Law? I know California has one, and a quick google shows Oregon has something similar. Essentially, if someone dies because you committed a felony, even if it was an accident like a cop running over a pedestrian, then you are guilty of murder. If the cops shoot your partner-in-crime to death, you can be charged with murder. Since this was a conspiracy, does that make everyone involved potentially guilty of murder?
turbinetree
(24,685 posts)He made his bed (Finicum), all of them made this bed, and they deserve to sleep in it.......................
the authorities knew he and them were / was armed, they are not going to stand there and say pretty f*******ing please-------------and for people too support a criminal, then they are just has much complicit in this acts of criminality.
I have no pity for people that destroyed Indigenous People artifacts------------------none.
Some of the Indigenous People in this country cannot even get back the bones of there ancestors, so that they can be buried with respect from and for the tribe of the culture, because they being studied for research--------------------------really, research
This idea that this jerk and his "team" of terrorists thought that they could bring forth a complaint of justification to commit a crime(s), and break the law--------------------is absolute BS
And to add to this insult------------------one only has to see how the Doctrine of Discovery 21st Century style, and how it is being implemented now on sacred ground---------------look no further than what two senators from Arizona are doing in there Manifest Destiny docrine-----------------nice huh;
http://inhabitat.com/apache-protesters-john-mccain-is-a-traitor-for-selling-holy-land-to-foreign-mining-company/
http://crooksandliars.com/2015/07/oak-flat-latest-land-grab-native-americans
jpak
(41,757 posts)yup
yellowcanine
(35,694 posts)Who is running the family "ranch?" Mama Bundy? Seems Ammon and Ryan Bundy got everyone locked up with their little Oregon caper.
WhiteTara
(29,693 posts)as BLM is rounding up cattle.
csziggy
(34,131 posts)By the time the feds are done, there should not be a Bundy ranch for any of them to run, anyway.
yellowcanine
(35,694 posts)The farm is likely more profitable without the animals, in any case.
csziggy
(34,131 posts)Cliven Bundy children: Ammon Bundy, Ryan Bundy, Bailey Logue (female), Dave Bundy, Cliven Lance Bundy, Mel Bundy, Shiree Bundy-Cox (female), Lillie Spencer (female).
"As of now, the 69-year-old Nevada rancher and four of his sons, Ammon, 40, Ryan, 43, Melvin, 41; and David, 39, and 14 other men are now accused of involvement in the massive armed assault against federal law enforcement officers that occurred near the Bundy Ranch in Nevada in April 2014." https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2016/03/04/19-defendants-face-charges-roles-bundy-gang
Cliven Lance Bundy was already in prison by the time the wildlife refuge occupation began.
Such an upright family!
RKP5637
(67,089 posts)snappyturtle
(14,656 posts)not say my peace in this case.
Duers must get off their lazy tail feathers and educate themselves about the federal government land grab for treasury purposes or as collateral toward federal debt to foreign countries, until then, I only add this admonition: someday you will see these "unlawful" citizens, country bumpkin gun humper 2nd amendment advocates by your standards, as canaries in the coal mines.
I no longer have the energy to fight ignorance. Clue: Hammonds and Bundys last stands have a common demoninator and it has nothing to do with turtles or birds. EOM...and that's a promise.
Also: read up on Agenda 21
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,966 posts)Hammonds and Bundy gang were making a peaceful protest that they just happened to bring guns to? That's the line I've seen at 'other' kinds of sites.
Sheriffs are the supreme law officers and outrank FBI?
Read Glenn Beck's novel "Agenda 21"? No thanks.
snappyturtle
(14,656 posts)face wrote that. Get the info through government printing office.
BLM bought guns to the scene....why was that? Sheriffs are very powerful. Educate yourself.
Action_Patrol
(845 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(48,966 posts)When people with guns overrun Bureau of Land Management land of course "BLM brought guns".
Otherwise, the other BLM, Black Lives Matter, has nothing to do with Bundys who are fighting the Feds land arm, not African-Americans. When people say "They're doing it way over there, so we can break the law too", it doesn't work. That approach seems reminiscent of elementary school yards.
I am not as ignorant as you hope, and this should be obvious by the oblique references I made. What I was hoping for was something other than the "feds bad guys, UN taking over, Agenda 21 spooky woo" stuff I read on 'other' sites. I was hoping for something from a Progressive viewpoint.