This was inevitable given all the rhetoric from il Douche.

The news link didn't come to any conclusion (or maybe I missed it - haven't finished that first cup of coffee yet!)

because the elders in my family live in Florida and I am quite familiar with the phenomenon of the "stuck gas pedal" that only seems to happen to older drivers (just had one knock a parked car into a restaurant in my neighborhood.)! Didn't know whether this was a jerk or a retiree Trump supporter who couldn't react fast enough to avoid the protestors.

is full of very wealthy elderly people, I can easily see how an accident could happen there.

forcing its way through a group of protestors who moved of their own accord.

Has the same aroma as Bridge gate andd it's messing up the lives of all drivers on the highway, not just Drumpf supporters.

Plus, NOT suppressing the access to information, even heinous stuff, is a fundamentally part of our Founding, so it is important and I'm not an ends justify the means believer and this could trigger unintended consequences, as Republican turn out seems to be larger and more enthusiastic than us Dems?

But, then again, in this day and age of intentionally misleading groups and Atwater-rove rat fucking is now politics as usual, they could have been hired by his campaign? Nice times we live in, this Oligarchy.

-90% Jimmy

I don't care who these idiots are but blocking the road is a no no. I'd be out of my car and throwing down if I was stuck sitting there.

As in pulling out your weapon? Seriously?

Throwing down implies a regular fight, verbal or physical.

You'd be like those at Trump rallys who yell at or hit demonstrators.
Got it.

I was just explaining a definition.

Are no point did I discuss what I would or would not do to anyone involved... At all...

What's wrong with you?

and guaranteed someone would 'throw' back.

Farmer's perishable products can be destroyed by time delays. Women in labor might be delayed or forced to give birth in less than ideal circumstances -- let's hope the baby has no complications and the mother too.

Protests should only affect people with a direct interest or direct support of the opposing side. For example, sitting down at lunch counters or anti-war protestors blocking access to a defense contractor.

Massive street protests are scheduled ahead of time.

Otherwise, please stand aside and protest with signs and noise and (where possible) persuasion.

if they're just trying to suppress his rallies. Imo they'd be better off lining the access points and challenging Trump supporters (politely).

"Love not hate" gets ones point across well enough, imo.

I don't like it either.

stop trying to block Trump - let him carry on he is doing his own damage and the repubs are turning on him in droves anyway.

If you want to protest do so outside the place trump is speaking but be careful and please don't go inside and get hurt, it doesn't do you any good, but gets the already stirred up trump supporters wanting blood.

I'm sure a lot of Americans feel the same way. We don't need Neonazis anywhere near the reins of government.

need to realize the harm the trump supporters can do.

blocking the road is a bad tactic that will have negative consequences. They are the bad guys now, let it stay that way.

Used to be you showed your displeasure for a candidate in the voting booth. Now you disrupt public access for everyone, not Trump blocking a major access freeway. This road serves a lot more than a route to a rally. Access to numerous hospitals, businesses and homes. It dissallows access for all, Democrat, Republican, Indies, Black, Hispanic, White etc.

I am hispanic, but when I see a live feed from this 'protest' with participants displaying a Mexican country flag to protest an American election. All I see is in the miles backup of vehicles and TV watchers a possibility for a lot of undecided, swing or even dedicated party voters thinking about voting for Trump.

I'll make my statement or protest on my ballot.

As long as we don't like what you have to say we can prevent you from hearing people we don't like or stop you from where you're going.

These people are too stupid to see they are making Trump stronger.

My wife was pregnant with our 4 month old late last year when she started bleeding profusely. We had to race to the hospital and ended up having an emergency c-section. If these Constitutionally illiterate dumb-asses were in my way I would plow through them too.

Far from "making Trump stronger," this is the inevitable outcome when a troublemaker comes to town. There's trouble. If people are displeased, they have every right to express it in any way they like provided nobody gets injured. If the "revered" Arapio and the other wealthy bigots who live in the neighborhood are "inconvenienced," who cares? To read here how people shouldn't be "inconvenienced" in a traffic jam created by a troublemaker coming to town is beyond the pale.

When you talk about "trouble-makers" coming to town..

Who the hell are you to say what kind of inconvenience is acceptable to those on the highway? What if there was an ambulance or fire truck stuck behind those "dump trump" pick up trucks?

Here's a refresher on the 1st Amendment:

the highway, preventing people that are not involved in the Trump thing at all from going on with their lives?

I hope they're arrested and their vehicles impounded.

which means you're wrong on the enemies thing. People are acting up getting involved which is what makes change.

People got out of cars and got violent or threatened to get violent. Prove they were all TheRump-lickers. You can't.

It didn't stop the rally.

It didn't get favorable coverage in the media.

The protest failed.

I loath the asshole (Trump) but NO ONE, no way in any circumstances for any reason should block another person's access to something such as a rally or informational gathering or speech. I don't care if it was the reanimated corpse of Hitler, somebody from ISIS or Sarah Palin, if they have scheduled and are presenting a speech whosoever wants to go should be able to do so without being blocked, period. The MORE offensive the speaker the more important it is to uphold this principle.

any group of idiots who block roads or highways, they don't support us why should we support them?

Not so much for advancing their stated goals...

So... half right?

I'd allege the same as you if my bias required as such. I'd also pretend to know what he stated goals are, and how it makes people feel. In my case, it would be nothing but pretense. In your case, well... I'm sure you'll allege something else as well.

... but I would think that the folks protesting at the Trump rally are.... wait for it... against Trump.

Gentle application of common sense can point us towards the second and third order effects of their actions. None of which would seem to advance the goal of reducing or stopping Trump in any way.

Stupid, illegal, and immoral tactic blocking a highway.

Damn straight we don't like it.

by police. Everytime politicians, community leaders, and police have said, we need to be calm, lets wait and let justice work.
For years this has gone on and nothing had ever been done or changed, until Trayvon Martin was murdered. Thats when I started to notice ppl. where not going to fall in line and let the same thing keep happening. People said screw your calm and wait 'bull shit'. BLM a new movement with young activists took control and things are moving in the right direction, I feel.

Union Labor, for decades politicians and business have chipped away at workers rights, both dnc and gop. 25 states are now right to work states, we were promised by every politician we backed they would do something, it's never happened..

My free speech is now in an area 1/4 mile from the racist, in whats now called a free speech zone, I bet Thoreau would love that.

Everything we've tried in the past that worked they've chipped away at it.

e hands doing nothing.

There is no absolute right to unregulated free speech. The classic example is the person you yells "Fire!" in the crowded theatre. The protestors made their point and, in doing so, likely violated several laws, and there are consequences. Other than the legal issue, it is not right to stereotype all residents of that neighborhood as "wealthy bigots" or to believe that there are different standards of law for people based on their beliefs. That is a slippery slope.

When the owners pay the fines, they can feel important. Meanwhile, traffic flows.

Was used to justify imprisoning anti war protesters against the first world war.

or on the other thread. More than I thought there would be, but I think most of us agree this was dumb for many reasons

How many will this change? How many that might have not bothered to vote Trump will this energize enough to push over the edge? Admittedly very few, but they will not be in our favor. And 3 arrests were made. They are probably out already, but they risk not being able to vote in the Tuesday primary. Or even in the general; who knows what Arpaio might concoct against them.

This is non-practical. And it's already been pointed out that it was also non-ethical and perhaps dangerous. Protest at the entrance of the rally and you have my support. Hell I might have joined in if I had a ride.

I respect your opinion and motivation, I just think it will backfire. And by the comments, that is the majority opinion here--which was the point of my post. I am glad that you registered your dissent though, it's still a new thread, I may be proved wrong in the end about the support for this.

more ammo for trump. "See the illegal tactics these leftists are using to try to silence me? <pause for thunderous applause> They are trying to silence me because they can't formulate any argument against me! <thunderous applause>"
People that were on the fence are going to go full Trump as soon as they are in a huge traffic jam caused by his opponents.
This does our side more harm than good. Democracy means coming up with a better alternative to Trump, not silencing him, putting him down the memory hole.
All the protestors are going to accomplish is getting a free meal in jail.

It blocks farmers bringing perishable produce to market.

It blocks people in medical distress.

It blocks working people from getting to their jobs which are way too easy to lose.

But you don't give a damn.

it's not a 1A issue.

The government is the only entity that can run afoul of the First Amendment, since it only applies to the government.

on the First Amendment.

as a dangerous weapon against unarmed people. plow on....geez

To quote the Austrian philosopher Karl Popper:

"Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. — In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant. We should claim that any movement preaching intolerance places itself outside the law, and we should consider incitement to intolerance and persecution as criminal, in the same way as we should consider incitement to murder, or to kidnapping, or to the revival of the slave trade, as criminal."

Block the rally hall, not the highway.

Duh.

While this FASCIST POS mr trump tries to get into power?
I'm glad some true patriots are on the front lines while you sheep follow the judas goat to your fate.

Get along with what ?
Use your ballot to make your point and j.keep Trump out of power.
Use your voice to CREATE votors to do the same.

Civil disruption that affects ALL citizens will alienate some, it's just going to happen. Trump will get stronger by more votes going his way or Democrats losing votes not voting at all.

These protesters I guess on the front lines checked and made sure that ONLY Trump voters were affected by their patriotic front line antics. People need to remember that 'Friendly Fire' is never friendly to the recipient and you can be guaranteed a lot of Dem voters stuck in the Phoenix sun not able to get where they wanted or needed to go.

As I said I am hispanic, a US combat veteran and watching hispanics waving another countrys flag to show their displeasure for an American political process just wants to make me scream 'go back to where your flag came from'. Does that make me a reichwinger or a patriotic American ?

Again, to myself, the most powerful voice is your VOTE, use it wisely.

On Edit: And aboutime what are your feelings about anti-abortian extremists blocking health care access for women at planned parenthood clinics ? Are they just being front line patriotic ?

As we saw with Obama, if a minority in congress wants to stop the President, they will stop the President. If Trump gets in, he won't be able to do jack or shit, and jack just left town.

In those cases the people affected are directly involved.

In a case like this highway, you would block people rushing to see dieing mothers in hospital, people trying to save their job by getting to work on time, farmers trying to scratch out a living and get produce to market before it spoils.

But you think they are sheep. Think again. And a third time.

video here: http://www.abc15.com/news/region-northeast-valley/fountain-hills/donald-trump-protesters-block-traffic-in-fountain-hills-arizona-video

But point taken.

and that seem conservative if anything: http://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/ploughing-speed.22476/

Used to plow the fields when I was a kid on old tractor, probably topped around 10mph

At that point it's not peaceful civil disobedience anymore.

Pushing through. If you are dumb enough to think your protest is greater than emergency services, you deserve to become an emergency needing service.

This shit is out of control

The best way to get people to hate you and your cause is to block traffic.

Trump gained new voters today thanks to these morons.

Is this fundamentally different than a group preventing access to a women's clinic?

Blocking their access to a rally?

Dumb move.

I hope they get arrested and their vehicles impounded.

and help Trump get elected. People aren't thinking clearly at this point. The rhetoric has gotten too crazy and the fear mongering is having a reverse effect.

Actually, she's looking very good. He on the other hand looks like he has a yellow cat on his head.