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Judi Lynn

(160,449 posts)
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 07:01 PM Mar 2016

Custody case of Native American girl appealed to high court

Source: Associated Press

Custody case of Native American girl

Christopher Weber, Associated Press
Updated 5:53 pm, Tuesday, March 22, 2016

LOS ANGELES (AP) — A California family appealed Tuesday to the state's highest court in their fight to keep a 6-year-old foster child who was removed from their home after a lower court said her 1/64th Native American bloodline requires that she live with relatives.

The family's lawyer, Lori Alvino McGill, filed the request for the California Supreme Court to hear the appeal.

McGill also requested that custody of the child named Lexi be returned to Rusty and Summer Page until the appeal is decided.

The Pages have fought efforts under the federal Indian Child Welfare Act to place Lexi with relatives of her father, who is part Choctaw. The Pages argued that Lexi has lived with them since the age of 2 and considers them her family.

Read more: http://www.chron.com/news/us/article/Native-American-girl-6-removed-from-California-6942512.php

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Custody case of Native American girl appealed to high court (Original Post) Judi Lynn Mar 2016 OP
i find these parents annoying. the reason this went on so long is because they refused JI7 Mar 2016 #1
sure, she was happy, that's why the kid was crying when she was taken away from the family greymouse Mar 2016 #2
You don't know why the kid was crying. Prospective adoptive parents have a long history of StevieM Mar 2016 #7
I have done custody work for years, it is NOT uncommon for children to cry when being turned over... happyslug Mar 2016 #14
They knew when the child was placed with them that it was TEMPORARY. They were fosters me b zola Mar 2016 #18
I feel sorry for everyone involved in this case. Have seen jwirr Mar 2016 #3
It really is a tough call, but it shouldn't be universal. Xithras Mar 2016 #54
Totally understand. I am the white grandmother and I have jwirr Mar 2016 #55
The danger, in our case, would be my mother in law. Xithras Mar 2016 #57
That does change the probability. And I wish both you and jwirr Mar 2016 #61
Your wife's grandmother was born during the Baby Scoop Era. StevieM Mar 2016 #65
No, sadly she wasn't. Xithras Mar 2016 #70
It's hard to know what she would have done after the baby was born if she had been given StevieM Mar 2016 #71
Tough case. mountain grammy Mar 2016 #4
Leave the kid alone! Celebration Mar 2016 #5
The foster parents are fighting for a TPR so they can adopt a child that they covet. (eom) StevieM Mar 2016 #8
This is appalling. SoapBox Mar 2016 #6
Native American tribal membership is not about race. Different tribes have different criteria StevieM Mar 2016 #9
Native American blood is so diluted they are holding on to every drop of the blood they can ripcord Mar 2016 #72
They didn't just decide now. the foster parents delayed it by bringing legal action JI7 Mar 2016 #20
Plus what is to keep them from leaving her in the foster jwirr Mar 2016 #56
.^that x100 840high Mar 2016 #77
This story is about self-entitled prospective adoptive parents who want to steal a child StevieM Mar 2016 #10
Her culture? Boudica the Lyoness Mar 2016 #15
My main point is about taking her away from her genetic relatives. StevieM Mar 2016 #17
I believe blood matters, but not race or culture. Boudica the Lyoness Mar 2016 #24
I disagree that culture doesn't matter, especially if we are talking about StevieM Mar 2016 #33
I thought 'First Nation' was a Canadian term. Boudica the Lyoness Mar 2016 #40
She is being raised with her sister, with another sister down the street. StevieM Mar 2016 #42
The boy and the girl she believed were her brother and sister are not living with her anymore. Boudica the Lyoness Mar 2016 #45
I absolutely believe that adoption works much better in the UK than in the US. StevieM Mar 2016 #76
the child is 1/64th Choctaw TorchTheWitch Mar 2016 #81
I think children should be kept with their blood relatives whenever possible. StevieM Mar 2016 #82
Well, we'll have to agree to disagree TorchTheWitch Mar 2016 #83
The birth parents sound awful. 840high Mar 2016 #78
As of now there has been no adoption. They are not the birth parents. They are the parents. (eom) StevieM Mar 2016 #80
At 1/64th it's a stretch to consider her Native American. blackspade Mar 2016 #11
1/64th means a great-great-great-greatgrandparent was Native American Retrograde Mar 2016 #12
Lineal decent is the key for the Choctaw. blackspade Mar 2016 #16
Her father was an enrolled member of the tribe happyslug Mar 2016 #32
Was he? blackspade Mar 2016 #35
The court of appeals reported he was enrolled happyslug Mar 2016 #46
I saw that. Thanks for posting it. blackspade Mar 2016 #47
That is a stretch Marrah_G Mar 2016 #67
1/64 greymouse Mar 2016 #13
You don't know the mother's exact history. StevieM Mar 2016 #19
I agree with everything you've said REP Mar 2016 #21
I am more concerned about the separation from her blood relatives too. StevieM Mar 2016 #34
the mother has a long history of substance abuse womanofthehills Mar 2016 #43
You don't know what the mother's current condition is. StevieM Mar 2016 #44
I would point out that they are not 'blood' relatives. blackspade Mar 2016 #48
The sister she will be living with is a blood relative. The sister living down the street StevieM Mar 2016 #52
You are correct about the sisters. blackspade Mar 2016 #53
Agree 840high Mar 2016 #79
This Is About RobinA Mar 2016 #25
I don't consider respecting the rights of first nations to be a political agenda. StevieM Mar 2016 #36
That's a very tenuous position AgerolanAmerican Mar 2016 #39
We hear that same argument every time that a coerced adoption is being advocated. StevieM Mar 2016 #41
fuck the slavery comparison. she would already have been with her sisters JI7 Mar 2016 #63
Excellent point. The foster parents flat out lied when they took her in. StevieM Mar 2016 #73
The facts in the news reports are all screwed up happyslug Mar 2016 #22
Im not sure what good posting 10 pages of quotes is going to do Travis_0004 Mar 2016 #29
There is NO direct link to the opinion happyslug Mar 2016 #31
One question: de facto parents - Utah - are they Mormons? jwirr Mar 2016 #59
The religion of the parents are NOT stated in the Court Opinion happyslug Mar 2016 #66
I'm very aware of what the Mormons are. The tribe here jwirr Mar 2016 #68
a lot of people foster in hopes of adopting. but mopinko Mar 2016 #23
Spoken Like Someone RobinA Mar 2016 #27
Spoken like someone who is committed to the talking points of the adoption industry. (eom) StevieM Mar 2016 #37
I Could Not Care Less RobinA Mar 2016 #49
The factors that must be considered is age of placement and jwirr Mar 2016 #60
As a Cherokee.......................... turbinetree Mar 2016 #26
Child's Welfare RobinA Mar 2016 #28
Read the opinion of the Court, I posted above, it is ONE factor among many happyslug Mar 2016 #30
The child's welfare is best served by being with her blood relatives and the Choctaw Nation. (eom) StevieM Mar 2016 #38
Proof? RobinA Mar 2016 #50
I'd have to agree with this. shrike Mar 2016 #64
When I Was In This Biz RobinA Mar 2016 #69
How do you know that? Marrah_G Mar 2016 #74
Actually, it isn't just about the person raising the child. It is also about the siblings StevieM Mar 2016 #75
Let me put it this way............................. turbinetree Mar 2016 #51
All Of Which RobinA Mar 2016 #58
she is going to be raised with her 2 sisters. if it's so bad there they need to remove the sisters JI7 Mar 2016 #62

JI7

(89,239 posts)
1. i find these parents annoying. the reason this went on so long is because they refused
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 07:09 PM
Mar 2016

to let her go with her family and get involved in a legal battle to try to keep her.

But she had been regularly seeing that family which helps as they will not be strangers to her.

greymouse

(872 posts)
2. sure, she was happy, that's why the kid was crying when she was taken away from the family
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 07:18 PM
Mar 2016

that raised her from 17 months to the age of 6, and given to another White family related to her habitual criminal father. Maybe she can even see her drug addict mother. Great environment she'll grow up in. Any sensible couple would try to keep her out of that.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
7. You don't know why the kid was crying. Prospective adoptive parents have a long history of
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:27 PM
Mar 2016

manipulating children into publicly crying when they are being taken away. It is done for the cameras as part of a strategy to later win in court.

You don't know that her mother is a drug addict, just that she has had substance abuse problems according to the state. That could mean that she has been busted with a joint of marijuana. And even if it's true, doesn't she have the right to get clean and reclaim her daughter from foster care? Do you want to live in a country where once the state puts a child in foster care they are as good as gone from their family forever?

You are calling for a TPR here, without knowing the whole story. TPRs are an enormous thing and should only happen as a last resort IMO.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
14. I have done custody work for years, it is NOT uncommon for children to cry when being turned over...
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:22 PM
Mar 2016

And it has happened as either parent turns the child over to the other parent and then happens again when the transaction is done in reverse. Kids do NOT like change, there are the most conservative people in society. i.e it is the way is has been since birth and that is the way it is suppose to be forever and ANY change from that pattern is a crime against man and nature and thus subject to being cried over.

Once a child gets into a pattern of changing custody for purposes of visitation and that change becomes the norm for them, such crying stops. My point is crying is just the Child saying they dislike CHANGE and children under age 12 dislike change big time.

me b zola

(19,053 posts)
18. They knew when the child was placed with them that it was TEMPORARY. They were fosters
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:40 PM
Mar 2016

Last edited Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:23 AM - Edit history (1)

...that the child's family was in the process of legally taking custody. Why would they insert themselves in such a way and make things more difficult for the child?

People who behave like this are acting out of their own best interest, certainly not the child's best interest.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
3. I feel sorry for everyone involved in this case. Have seen
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 07:20 PM
Mar 2016

this happen on our rez also. In fact both of my daughters have been the relatives who took foster children in or were asked if they wanted to.

In one of the cases we agreed that the foster parents should be able to adopt the little boy because he was a victim of sexual abuse and the foster parents were trained to deal with that. Plus we had never met this child or even knew he existed until they called us. All he knew since he was removed from his home were the foster parents he lived with.

Lots of broken hearts in this case. I would like to say that I support this law that protects Native children. It was passed because Native children were being stolen off the reservation (sometimes by Mormons) but also by others who just want to adopt a child. This law is necessary.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
54. It really is a tough call, but it shouldn't be universal.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:36 PM
Mar 2016

My wife's great grandmother was a full blood reservation born Osage who was raped by a white man and gave birth at 14 years old. As was standard practice at the time, my wife's grandmother, who was half Osage, was put up for adoption when she was born, and she ended up in California. My wife's mother was California born and is 1/4 Osage. My wife was California born and is 1/8 Osage. Our children are California born and are 1/16 Osage. The Osage ancestry is somewhat visible in my older two kids, but my youngest son is the palest little green eyed freckled white kid you've ever seen. My Irish/German ancestry apparently won the genetic battle when he was conceived. Because the Osage Nation uses lineal descent, the percentages and appearance are irrelevant anyway. They are Osage because their ancestors are Osage.

We live over 1600 miles from the Osage Nation. Living in California, Osage culture has very little impact on their lives. If something ever happened to my wife and I, I would HOPE that the courts would not grant the Osage Nation any kind of authority over my kids, but I've already been advised by an attorney that it's possible. Even though we have a will stipulating that my kids will go to my sisters if we passed away, we were told that the Osage Nation could petition to overturn it simply because they are of Osage descent and it gives the tribe "rights". That is wrong. A tribe shouldn't have "rights" to a child simply because they happen to carry some of that tribes DNA.

While I understand the necessity of a law to protect Native American children from theft (and, to be clear, my wife's great grandmother was essentially a stolen child, as her mother was never given any choice in the adoption), I do believe that the best interests of the child should always take precedence. Unless their rights are terminated, so should the will of the parents.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
55. Totally understand. I am the white grandmother and I have
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:13 PM
Mar 2016

watched to often the tearing apart of families because of interracial marriages. IMO that should never happen as long as there is no real reason for it other than color.

My one grandson and his ex-girl friend are both opiate addicts and they had two children (she has had other children and has lost them all). When the addiction got so bad that the fight over custody started - the tribe and a new social worker went to court to enforce the law we are talking about. So they took the two children and placed them in foster care with the hope that the mother would straighten out regardless of what they children said.

Meanwhile they refused even to interview the white grandmother for custody. So we had to set back and visit the kids as often as they would let us and just wait for her to expose herself. We knew she would - she had sold one child to a white family clear in California by this time and everyone knew it. She then gets pregnant again and the county took that child immediately. They were still refusing to talk to us. Finally the mother started missing visits with her children and skipping meetings with the workers. They had no choice but to look for other relatives. And no Native families would step in because they could see what was happening. They were on our side.

We now have custody and the children are doing fine. Their dad and his new wife and children lives with them. They attend school regularly and are healthy well adjusted children. They also get to visit with their mothers family (supervised visits) and are best friends with a little sister who was adopted by her foster mom.

I honestly think that they would never touch your family because they are so busy with cases like my family has gone through that they do not have the time to address cases that span generations past. I have not seen anything like that on this rez.

And your lawyer is correct - it is possible because the law does allow for that but it is not probable. Most of the case managers really are looking out for what is best for the children. In the end all the case managers were on our side.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
57. The danger, in our case, would be my mother in law.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:40 PM
Mar 2016

Long before I met her, my wife apparently made the decision to not "live as a Native American". It makes sense if you think about it. She's 1/8 hispanic, 1/8 Osage, and 3/4 German by heritage. When people ask what her ancestry is, her standard answer is "German, with a little hispanic and Native American tossed in to improve the color". Her Native American ancestry isn't something she has ever really focused on, and as a result it's not something we discuss often in our household.

My mother-in-law, on the other hand, is a completely different story. She's 1/4 Osage but she looks full blooded and fully embraces her Native American heritage. She was a very active Native American political rights activist in California in the 1970's, and even participated in the occupation of Alcatraz. The fact that my wife doesn't have a lot of interest in that heritage, and hasn't raised our kids that way, has long been a point of conflict between them. When my wife made the mistake many years ago of telling her that our wills grant custody of our kids to my sisters if we died, she freaked out about it and DEMANDED that we amend our wills to give custody to her. We politely declined.

If something happened to us, I'd lay 80% odds that my mother-in-law would run to the tribe to enlist their help in an attempt to overturn the will. We take the threat seriously enough that $50,000 of my life insurance policy is willed to my sisters and is earmarked for legal fees over any custody fight. If a 1/4 Osage descendant came to the tribe asking for their help in preventing 1/16 descendants from being transferred to non-Native relatives, there's a rather large chance that they'd help her.

My plan, of course, is just to outlive her so it won't be an issue. Or at least to live long enough to see all my kids become adults.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
61. That does change the probability. And I wish both you and
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:02 PM
Mar 2016

your wife a very long life.

This is a law that truly has a double edged sword.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
65. Your wife's grandmother was born during the Baby Scoop Era.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 05:15 PM
Mar 2016

Women and girl's were given no choice about keeping their children. Most of them loved their kids, even if conceived in rape, and were heartbroken to lose them. Many of them grieved their lost children for the rest of their lives.

I hope that your wife's grandmother was able to achieve a reunion with her natural mother before her first mom died.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
70. No, sadly she wasn't.
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 05:36 PM
Mar 2016

My wifes grandmother largely looked at the whole thing with a bit of powerless sadness, and didn't have any real will to dig back into the whole thing. It wasn't until my mother in law, and my wifes aunt and uncle (three of her five children) started digging into it in the late 60's and early 70's that the family reconnected with the tribe at all. Her natural mother was already in failing health at that time and didn't want to reconnect with her (which is understandable, given the fact that she was conceived during a violent rape). When my wifes great grandmother passed away just a few years later, her other children DID reach out, and my wifes grandmother was able to meet several of her own brothers and sisters before she passed away as well.

But, yes, it was the Baby Scoop era. She was basically told that she had two choices. She could give the child up for adoption, or she would be ejected from the reservation...and as an unwed, homeless underage mother, her child would be taken anyway because she wasn't a fit parent. Either way, she'd lose the baby.

It's my understanding that she wouldn't have kept the child (again, trauma), but that she would have preferred that the baby be adopted by someone else on the reservation.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
71. It's hard to know what she would have done after the baby was born if she had been given
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 07:15 PM
Mar 2016

a choice in the matter. That's especially true if the mother isn't pressured to decide right away, but instead is given a few weeks to figure out how she feels.

A surprising number of women who are raped wind up keeping the baby and raising it. Many of them are able to separate the trauma of the rape from the child it produced.

According to the statistics I have seen, 50 percent of women who get pregnant by rape have an abortion. 12 percent have a miscarriage. 32 percent keep the baby and raise it. 6 percent continue with the pregnancy and give the baby up for adoption.

It's possible that the trauma of the rape is why your wife's great-grandmother didn't want to reunite. But it is also possible that she was so traumatized by losing her daughter that the only way she could move on was to force herself to permanently shut the door on that part of her life. I have heard lots of stories about mothers who didn't want to give up their children and then years later refused contact with those same children. Sometimes a woman cannot bring herself to reopen the painful chapter of her life when she was separated from the son or daughter who she loved.

Celebration

(15,812 posts)
5. Leave the kid alone!
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 07:36 PM
Mar 2016

Foster parents did the right thing fighting this. And did the right thing establishing a relationship with the people that are going to have custody. Why not have a color blind society? Isn't that the goal?

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
6. This is appalling.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 07:59 PM
Mar 2016

The tribe is blaming the foster family, for "dragging this out"? Hell, the kid has been with them from 17 months old to now aged 6 and they now decide to do this to the child? Talk about trauma!

The birth mother...drug user. The birth father...criminal history and we heard on the news last evening that he's in jail.

And how "Native American" is she? In the article, it's interesting that they did not detail the mother and father's heritage...the article says this,

"The issue is not what degree of Choctaw ancestry a child has," Singel said. "Rather the issue is whether the child is a citizen of the tribe in question or eligible for citizenship." Does a 6 year old really give a crap about whether she's "eligible for citizenship"?

So they do NOT care how Native American they are, in fact, the article says that she is all of 1/64th Native American.

This was anything but about the child and I'm appalled by these "adults".

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
9. Native American tribal membership is not about race. Different tribes have different criteria
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:40 PM
Mar 2016

but it is clear that this child is considered a member of the Choctaw Nation.

You don't know what the mother's history with drugs is, just that she somehow ran afoul of the law. That could mean she got caught with one joint of marijuana.

Going to jail does not give the state the right to permanently terminate your parental rights.

And you shouldn't be calling the mom her "birth mother." There has been no adoption or TPR--she is NOT a birth mother. But that is apparently how the foster parents see her, and thus have no problem treating her like she is garbage.

This girl is going to be living with her sister, and another sister will be living down the street. In other words, she will be with family.

And yes, I think blood matters. Even to a six year old. And I think it will matter a lot more to her when she gets older.

I also think her Native American ancestry, and tribal membership, will matter a lot more to her as she gets older.

ripcord

(5,266 posts)
72. Native American blood is so diluted they are holding on to every drop of the blood they can
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 07:41 PM
Mar 2016

Unless casino profits are involved. Here in California after the Native American gaming compact was set tribes started purging members who's families had been on the tribal roles for decades but once the money started rolling in suddenly they weren't Native American enough. They were happy to have them when it meant more government money though.

JI7

(89,239 posts)
20. They didn't just decide now. the foster parents delayed it by bringing legal action
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:53 PM
Mar 2016

In an attempt to keep her.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
56. Plus what is to keep them from leaving her in the foster
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:17 PM
Mar 2016

parents home and just making her a citizen? There is no reason she could not be both.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
10. This story is about self-entitled prospective adoptive parents who want to steal a child
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:43 PM
Mar 2016

from her culture and her genetic relatives.

They want her biological parents to be forcibly TPRed so they can adopt the child whom they covet.

 

Boudica the Lyoness

(2,899 posts)
15. Her culture?
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:28 PM
Mar 2016
Under the transfer, Lexi will live with a Utah couple who are not Native Americans but are related by marriage to her father.
The girl's sister is living with the couple, and another sister will be living down the street, said Leslie Heimov of the Children's Law Center of California, Lexi's court-appointed legal representatives.


Are we part of a culture, even though we were not raised in that culture? How do you feel about black children being raised by white people?

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
17. My main point is about taking her away from her genetic relatives.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:35 PM
Mar 2016

I believe that blood matters.

Native American tribal identity is based on citizenship, and the tribes alone are the ones who determine citizenship. This child is Choctaw.

The parents have not been TPRed and it is apparent that the foster parents have morphed into prospective adoptive parents who want to permanently separate the child from her biological family.

I am glad that the girl will be growing up with her sister, with another sister right down the street. I pray that a reunion can be worked out with the child's mother.

 

Boudica the Lyoness

(2,899 posts)
24. I believe blood matters, but not race or culture.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:44 PM
Mar 2016

When she was removed from her parents she did not know a culture.

Why wasn't she placed with her biological father's, non Native American and not even her blood family, right away if they are so ideal? Why are her siblings scattered about? It sounds like me they couldn't get their shit together or just didn't want her that bad. It also sounds like a less than ideal place for a child.

She needed a stable loving family and she found one for most of her short life and now they are gone. She'll never recover from this.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
33. I disagree that culture doesn't matter, especially if we are talking about
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:46 PM
Mar 2016

a citizen of a first nation. That is her heritage, and it is her birthright.

I don't know what led to her going into foster care, but that hardly terminates her family lineage or her right to retain her original identity.

I disagree that as long as she has no memories of being an American Indian then it would be irrelevant to the rest of her life. That goes times a thousand for her blood family.

I have no doubt that she will recover and thrive in no time. The claim that she won't is the rallying cry we hear every time that prospective adoptive parents find themselves about to lose a child whom they covet. They have often gone back and checked up years later--and the adoption industry talking points have been proven wrong every time.

I would hate to live in a country where any time someone is in foster care we assume that a TPR is just a quick next step. We are already too close to that point. And, of course, it is always the youngest kids in foster care who are targeted for permanent removal from their families.

 

Boudica the Lyoness

(2,899 posts)
40. I thought 'First Nation' was a Canadian term.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:14 AM
Mar 2016

I believe the girl will be forever harmed and I have a feeling the place she has been sent to is not as wholesome as the one she left.

I noticed you keep using the word 'covet' and I don't believe the people who raised her 'coveted' her. They kept her safe, healthy and loved her. It appears to me that the people who now have their hands on her 'coveted' her.

You started this discussion believing the girl had been returned to her biological Native American family and it turns out they are not Native American and not even related to her biologically. oops.

How do you feel about black kids being raised by white parents in a white community? How about their heritage?

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
42. She is being raised with her sister, with another sister down the street.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:23 AM
Mar 2016

And I have strong feeling that her biological parents will be more welcome in her life with this new family then with her old foster family. They were fighting in court for years, and don't strike me as the type of couple that is looking for an open adoption.

The issue isn't race. Barack Obama was raised by a white mother. The issue is that she is an Indian child. And I am against all children having their origins erased with an amended birth certificate and the sealing of the records of their birth.

You may be right about the term "first nation."

I don't believe the child will be harmed. And I do believe that her former foster parents coveted her. It is not loving to show contempt for a child's family of origin.

 

Boudica the Lyoness

(2,899 posts)
45. The boy and the girl she believed were her brother and sister are not living with her anymore.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:01 AM
Mar 2016

Are these sisters full sisters, half sisters and are they Native American or non native like her dad?

Mean as you love open adoption you would love adoptions in the UK. In the UK adopted children have keep the name the biological mother gave them at birth, even if it is ridiculous. The records are open and the biological parents are allowed to keep in contact with the child. Families that have adopted have said that they sometimes raise children named after the mother's favorite alcoholic beverage and with the child's family lurking in the back ground. Often the family has criminal/abusive backgrounds and soon as the child turns 18 they come and get it.

Where did you read that the foster parents showed contempt for the child's family of origin - keeping in mind she's not being raised by that family of origin. Where are the child's biological parents, prison?

Of course the girl has been harmed! Children that age biggest fear is losing their parents!!! She lost her mum, dad, siblings, aunts, uncles, cousins, friends, teachers!!!!!! And you don't think she has been harmed. Going to bed now. Had enough..

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
76. I absolutely believe that adoption works much better in the UK than in the US.
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 09:55 PM
Mar 2016

Last edited Fri Apr 8, 2016, 01:22 AM - Edit history (1)

Australia has recently become the gold standard for adoption reform. Other nations should look to them for guidance IMO.

I absolutely oppose the sealing of birth records. Every person deserves access to their original birth certificate. (Here in the U.S. it is replaced with an amended birth certificate and the child's records are sealed, in some states for life).

Here in the U.S. the number one factor--by far--in determining who gets to adopt a child is which set of adoptive parents can best convince the prospective birth mother that they are committed to an open adoption. Once the papers are signed the adoption often closes. So yes, I believe open adoptions should be legally enforceable.

Of course, the UK has problems as well. I have long known that UK Social Services (here in the U.S. we call it CPS) is an absolute nightmare. The efforts they make for coerced adoptions, usually involving the youngest, most coveted children, are horrible. I assume that Northern Ireland is much different, although I am not sure if it is better in Scotland and Wales than in England.

The child we are discussing is being raised with a sister (not sure if she is half or full), with another sister down the street. And it appears that her natural family will have full access to her. That includes her natural parents, even if they can't raise her.

I believe her foster parents have contempt for her family of origin because they were supposed to be temporary foster parents, and they knew that. They have kept this tied up in court for years. They should have done what they promised to do, which was to foster her while a reunion with her extended natural family was being facilitated.

I disagree that she has lost her family. I think she has been reunited with her family.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
81. the child is 1/64th Choctaw
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 11:29 PM
Mar 2016

Methinks the Choctaw Nation decided she was a citizen of theirs as an excuse to get her to some of her blood relatives and away from the foster family that wants to adopt her, and never mind if those blood relatives are suitable parents or if they would stick her right back with her drug addict mother and criminal father.

1/64th! It's ludicrous.

She's six years old and knows no other family than her foster family who she is utterly dependent on and IS for all intents and purposes her FAMILY. I think it's disgusting to rip a child away from the only family and it's love, security and care they've known for the whole of their lives.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
82. I think children should be kept with their blood relatives whenever possible.
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 11:56 PM
Mar 2016

Lexi will be growing up in the same house as her sister, with another sister right down the street.

We don't know the current condition of her mother and father. Right now she is not being sent to live with them. But at least they can be a part of her life.

The foster parents were told that they were supposed to be raising her temporarily, while a reunion with her natural family was being worked out. Then they dragged this matter out in court for years.

I don't agree that the foster family is for all intents and purposes her family.

TorchTheWitch, how are you? Are things going better for you? Do you still have Yoshi? If you do, how is he doing?

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
83. Well, we'll have to agree to disagree
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 08:41 PM
Mar 2016

There are a lot of people here - including myself - who would be the first to tell you just how horrible blood relatives can be. The mother is a drug addict, the father is still in prison, and according to court documents, consideration of what was best for the child was never taken into account when it's the ONLY thing that should be taken into account.

As for me, things seem to go from bad to worse. Yes, I still have Yoshi, who is all that means anything to me - I lose him, I lose me. He's happy as a clam. He gets loads of long walks every day whatever the weather, and there's better and closer options that he likes here than where we used to live. I wish I could take more photos of him to share but without a camera phone I have to use my regular camera, and it's been full for months now. I already deleted as many pictures from it that I could, but it's still full up. I need either another little disk to put in it (which I have to buy off the internet, and I have no way to do that) or move them all onto my 'puter, which I'm also not sure I can do anymore because there's something not right with the cable to do that. I'll have to try that again and see if I can free up some space.

My worst problem is that I can't find a permanent job, and the temp jobs are few and far between these days as low pay as they are. In the past I did a lot of temping, and there was always jobs and for WAY better pay. My internet connection is shit which is causing me the worst trouble getting work since these days EVERYTHING is done through the internet, and my landlord isn't doing shit about it (though I pay for decent internet just like everyone else here) because I'm the only one having this problem. All the money I've saved since November is very quickly depleting (and it wasn't much of anything to begin with), my car is falling apart, and now I'm in debt to my auto mechanic to the tune of a few dollars less than $1000... right now I'm scared shitless and feel like I'm right the hell back where I started. Thank the gods for Yoshi or I wouldn't be able to see myself to the next day like this.

I'm so sorry to dump on you like this. I guess it's starting to boil over, and it's not like I have anyone I can talk to about anything other than Yoshi... he's a good listener though.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
80. As of now there has been no adoption. They are not the birth parents. They are the parents. (eom)
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 10:08 PM
Mar 2016

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
11. At 1/64th it's a stretch to consider her Native American.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:01 PM
Mar 2016

The Choctaw are matrilineal anyway, so this shouldn't be an issue.

Edited to add: I checked their membership criteria, my statement above was in error.
The Choctaw Nation currently do lineal decent from both sexes who can trace ancestry to a member that is on the Dawes Commission Enrollment from 1896-1906. So if her father is a member of the Nation, she is too, no matter her blood quantum.

A very sad story for all involved. Best wishes to this little girl.

Retrograde

(10,128 posts)
12. 1/64th means a great-great-great-greatgrandparent was Native American
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:14 PM
Mar 2016

I can't trace any of my family back that far - 8 generations. I'd have to rule for the people who raised her in this case: if her blood family wants visitation rights let them work it out.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
16. Lineal decent is the key for the Choctaw.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:32 PM
Mar 2016

What I'm trying to figure out is how she is 1/64th when the Dawes rolls were taken in 1896-1906.
There would have had to have been 8 gen from @1900 to today for that to be possible.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
32. Her father was an enrolled member of the tribe
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:40 PM
Mar 2016

Last edited Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:02 AM - Edit history (1)

And the children of an enrolled member is also a member of that tribe. Thus you can be 1/1024 Choctaw and if one of your parents had been an enrolled member, you are an enrolled member of that tribe.

This also goes into what do they mean by 1/64th Choctaw? When her father was a full member of that tribe? Would that not make her 50% Choctaw (And under Choctaw rules, once enrolled, which she was technically at birth, she would be 100% Choctaw)?

Do NOT get hanged up on which one of her ancestor was a Choctaw, if the Family had kept up its Choctaw linage by registering with the tribe, then every member of that family is a "Full Blooded" Choctaw even if the last member of actual Choctaw blood lived and intermarried with whites starting in the 1600s as long as they stayed connected to the tribe.

Each tribe have they own rules as to who is a member of that tribe. In the case of this child, she meets the definition used by the Choctaws and under FEDERAL LAW that is all that is needed for the act in question to be applicable.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
35. Was he?
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:58 PM
Mar 2016

The story doesn't make that clear.
It says "1/2 Choctaw" but that wouldn't be correct under Nation membership.
As you are aware you are enrolled or you aren't.

Either way, I think that this is a poor ruling on a point of law that is not really applicable to this situation.

This TYT story is a pretty fair look at this case.


 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
46. The court of appeals reported he was enrolled
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:38 AM
Mar 2016

Last edited Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:00 AM - Edit history (1)

I posted the opinion elsewhere on this thread and in that opinion the court found he had been an enrolled member of the Choctaws. The Choctaw tribe has been involved in this case since 2011 when the father's relatives stepped up to take in the child. A delay occurred as the court left the father make an attempt to get his act together, but when that failed the tribe said the child should go to his relatives.

In the opinion of the court of appeals it is not mentioned that those relatives were non-Choctaw, but it appears that there are from other sources. I hate to disagree with you, but I think the decision is a good decision. It is better for most children to be raised by relatives then non relatives. Most people treat adopted children like they own. That is well and good, but if the adopted child comes from a family of people who are mechanics but raised by collage educated professionals, conflicts develop. I.e. The child strengths are not what the adoped parents expect of their own child and often direct the child to their strengths not the child's strengths. Near relatives tend to have the same strengths as the child's natural parents thus less long term conflict.

People do not like hearing the above but it is a common problem with adoptees. You minimize, but you do not eliminate, that problem if the adoptee is a near relative (to a degree this problem shows up even with natural born children but not as often as with adopted children).

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
47. I saw that. Thanks for posting it.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:07 AM
Mar 2016

I did note that the footnote on his enrollment comes from his Grandmother if I recall correctly.
But the court seemed to find her Indian status confirmed so that indicates that Choctaw jurisdiction applies.

I reluctantly agree that this may be an appropriate ruling based on the facts as sad as they are.
I hope the girl gets plenty of TLC and counciling, she is going to need it to adjust.
What will be really traumatic is if the mother re-enters the picture to assert her parental rights.....

greymouse

(872 posts)
13. 1/64
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:17 PM
Mar 2016

Unless I dropped a great, that's one great great great great great grandparent. And for that she gets tossed back into an environment with a habitual criminal who in 2012 said he didn't want her and a mother who was using drugs when she was pregnant with this little girl.

"Covet" is that a new word for loving a defenseless child and wanting to keep her out of a rotten environment?

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
19. You don't know the mother's exact history.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:46 PM
Mar 2016

For all we know she got caught with one joint of marijuana.

This mother probably loves her daughter and is dreaming of a reunion with her. There has been no TPR after 4 1/2 years of foster care, so it is reasonable to assume that this is the goal that the mother and the state have been working towards. But apparently the foster parents don't want that and have broken their promises. They have morphed into prospective adoptive parents, which makes it all the more important to re-home the child.

Shame on the father if he really doesn't want her, but he doesn't get to separate her from the rest of her paternal relatives, let alone her mom and her family.

This appears to have been a situation where various family members have been in regular touch with her over the years. In other words, she never left their family, regardless of who was fostering her.

The child is not defenseless. She has a new foster family, which is related to her father's family by marriage. Hopefully this is a first step towards an ultimate goal of returning her to her mother's care, provided the mother can show that she is clean and can care for her daughter.

REP

(21,691 posts)
21. I agree with everything you've said
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:05 PM
Mar 2016

There is nothing that indicates the parents pose a danger to their daughter, and the foster family really really wants a child and feels entitled to take someone's child as though she were a thing. Her Native ancestry isn't the issue for me (though I understand why it is being used and support it); I think that unless there is a chance of danger to the child, the best interests of the child are served by being wth family.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
34. I am more concerned about the separation from her blood relatives too.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:53 PM
Mar 2016

The ICWA can be helpful in this case. I wish it had saved Veronica Brown from the Capobiancos, the needy prospective adopters who coveted her.

Scalia actually voted the right way on that one. (I put up a post acknowledging that when he died). Unfortunately, Breyer sided with the conservatives. Sonia Sotomayer wrote a magnificent dissent.

And I agree....the sense of entitlement to the someone else's child is astounding.

womanofthehills

(8,659 posts)
43. the mother has a long history of substance abuse
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:25 AM
Mar 2016

and lost six children before this one. She is definitely not dreaming of a reunion - just her next high.

This child already had so much trauma in her life - abuse and attachment issues. You don't just pull a kid out of the only place they have ever felt secure. If you were suddenly taken from your parents at six, and given to an aunt you saw occasionally, you might never recover. I think what is best for the child's mental health should be the priority.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
44. You don't know what the mother's current condition is.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:30 AM
Mar 2016

And even if she is unfit to parent that doesn't mean she doesn't love her children.

And even if the child cannot be raised by her biological parents she still deserves to be with her blood relatives and in an open relationship with her natural parents.

The foster parents seem to want her family of origin erased. That is not in her long-term best interest IMO.

The child will now have the opportunity to grow up with her sister, with another sister living down the street. I believe that will help tremendously with her attachment issues.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
48. I would point out that they are not 'blood' relatives.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:11 AM
Mar 2016

You keep using that term inappropriately in this case.
The girl is distantly related by marriage. Still relatives, but not blood relatives.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
52. The sister she will be living with is a blood relative. The sister living down the street
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:12 PM
Mar 2016

is a blood relative.

And the people related by marriage will likely keep her blood relatives in her life, including visitation with her natural parents.

The foster parents appear to want to erase her family of origin and to sever all ties with her genetic relatives.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
53. You are correct about the sisters.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:28 PM
Mar 2016

I wasn't considering that.
I was thinking exclusively about the 'household'

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
36. I don't consider respecting the rights of first nations to be a political agenda.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:58 PM
Mar 2016

And I don't agree that a child is better off being separated from her blood relatives.

They sent this fortunate child to live with her sister, with another sister down the street. Children are better off being raised with their natural families, if it is possible.

Hopefully a reunion with her mother can be worked out and she can resume parenting.

At least now the state will not be allowed to seal the records of her origin and replace them with an amended birth certificate.

 

AgerolanAmerican

(1,000 posts)
39. That's a very tenuous position
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:11 AM
Mar 2016

First, the rights of the child are paramount. She is the innocent and the subject of the situation.

Second, when the only family a child knows is forcibly ripped away from her, that is an incredibly traumatic event - one that didn't need to happen.

Third, the claim of the tribe on the girl smacks of slavery in two ways - both the "one drop of blood" racism involved in that being 1/64th Choctaw makes her Choctaw, as well as the de facto claim to own the child being asserted by the tribe.

This is not good for the girl. The potential damage to her is incalculable, the benefits dubious.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
41. We hear that same argument every time that a coerced adoption is being advocated.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:15 AM
Mar 2016

It is usually proven to be unfounded.

It could also damage her to be separated for life from her blood relatives and her family of origin.

Native American tribes define who is a citizen of their nations. And Alexandria is an Indian child.

JI7

(89,239 posts)
63. fuck the slavery comparison. she would already have been with her sisters
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:08 PM
Mar 2016

But the foster parents delayed it by taking legal action to keep her.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
73. Excellent point. The foster parents flat out lied when they took her in.
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 09:16 PM
Mar 2016

They were supposed to temporarily care for her while a reunion with her natural family was being worked towards.

But then they morphed into prospective adoptive parents, and very self-entitled ones at that.

I would be surprised if they were ever again considered a viable foster family.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
22. The facts in the news reports are all screwed up
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:27 PM
Mar 2016

Last edited Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:04 PM - Edit history (1)

On August 15, 2014 the Court of Appeals for the Second Appellant District of California issued an opinion in this case. In that opinion the child's name is Alexandria not Lexi (Through Lexi may be a nick name based on her given name of Alexandria)

Here is the Computer page with the entries in this case, including references to the PDF and DOC documents where the decision of 9-15-2014 are listed. The Court of Appeals of the Second Appellant District of California actually REVERSED the original decision in this case, but on the narrow grounds the trial judge did NOT consider the best interest of the Child as a FACTOR in the case, otherwise the Court of Appeals UPHELD the decision of the trial judge, including that the Tribe had been involved with placing the child since 2011.

http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/mainCaseScreen.cfm?dist=2&doc_id=2063771&doc_no=B252999&search=attorney&start=1&query_attyLastName=McGill&query_attyFirstName=Lori&query_attyLawFirm=

In November 2015 the Court of Appeals issued another ruling, this is a short ruling, this time telling the judge he could NOT just repeat what he said in his previous decision that had been reversed, but actually issue a new decision:


http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/mainCaseScreen.cfm?dist=2&doc_id=2125239&doc_no=B268111&search=attorney&start=1&query_attyLastName=McGill&query_attyFirstName=Lori&query_attyLawFirm=

When the issue of placement was first addressed by the dependency court in its decision filed December 9, 2013, it concluded, “In this case, the [de facto parents] were unable to meet their burden by clear and convincing evidence, that either the child currently had extreme psychological or emotional problems or would definitely have them in the future.” On appeal, this court held that the dependency court erred only in its characterization of the burden on the de facto parents, and that the correct burden was proof “by clear and convincing evidence that there is a significant risk that a child will suffer serious harm as a result of a change in placement.” (Alexandria P., supra, 228 Cal.App.4th at p. 1354.) We remanded the matter to the dependency court with directions to determine if good cause existed to deviate from the Indian Child Welfare Act’s adoptive placement preferences. (Alexandria P., supra, at p. 1357; 25 U.S.C. § 1915.)

As contemplated by our opinion, upon remand the dependency court considered additional evidence and arguments before rendering its decision. In its written decision, the court described the burden on the de facto parents in language that is identical, word-for-word, to the language we disapproved as an incorrect statement of law in the prior appeal.


The earlier decision mentioned above is the decision of August 15, 2014 (That is the date the opinion was filed by the Court of Appeals, the Court of Appeals, in the above Section used the date of the lower court's decision, which had been on December 9, 2013).

As to the FACTS of the case, they were stated in full in the Decision dated August 15.2015. Here is that previous decision:


CERTIFIED FOR PUBLICATION


IN THE COURT OF APPEAL OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA

SECOND APPELLATE DISTRICT

DIVISION FIVE

In re Alexandria P., a Person Coming Under the Juvenile Court Law. B252999
(Los Angeles County Super. Ct.
No. CK58667)


LOS ANGELES COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF CHILDREN AND FAMILY SERVICES,

Plaintiff and Respondent,

v.

J.E.,

Defendant and Respondent;

R.P., et al.,

Objectors and Appellants;

Choctaw Tribe of Oklahoma,

Intervener and Respondent.



APPEAL from an order of the Superior Court of Los Angeles County, Amy M. Pellman, Judge. Reversed and remanded with directions.

Quinn Emanuel Urquhart & Sullivan, Lori Alvino McGill; Latham & Watkins, Pamela S. Palmer, Stephanie N. Grace, Ming M. Zhu, for Objectors and Appellants.

Covington & Burling, Mark W. Mosier, David Schraub, Richard A. Jones, for Professor Joan Hollinger, Northern California Association of Counsel for Children, and AdvoKids as amici curiae on behalf of Objectors and Appellants.

John F. Krattli, County Counsel, Dawyn R. Harrison, Assistant County Counsel, and Kim Nemoy, Senior Deputy County Counsel, for Plaintiff and Respondent.

Law Offices of Joanne Willis Newton and Joanne Willis Newton, under appointment by the Court of Appeal, for Defendant and Respondent.

Christopher Blake, under appointment by the Court of Appeal, for minor Alexandria P.

Melissa L. Middleton for Intervener and Respondent.

___________________

This case involves the placement preferences set forth in the Indian Child Welfare Act (ICWA) (25 U.S.C. § 1901 et seq.).(Footnote 1) At issue is whether the dependency court properly applied the ICWA in finding that the foster parents of an Indian child failed to prove good cause to deviate from the ICWA’s adoptive placement preferences.

A 17-month-old Indian child was removed from the custody of her mother, who has a lengthy substance abuse problem and has lost custody of at least six other children, and her father, who has an extensive criminal history and has lost custody of one other child. The girl’s father is an enrolled member of an Indian tribe, and the girl is considered an Indian child under the ICWA. The tribe consented to the girl’s placement with a non-Indian foster family to facilitate efforts to reunify the girl with her father. The girl lived in two foster homes before she was placed with de facto parents at the age of two. She bonded with the family and has thrived for the past two and a half years.

After reunification efforts failed, the father, the tribe, and the Department of Children and Family Services (Department) recommended that the girl be placed in Utah with a non-Indian couple who are extended family of the father. De facto parents argued good cause existed to depart from the ICWA’s adoptive placement preferences and it was in the girl’s best interests to remain with de facto family. The child’s court-appointed counsel argued that good cause did not exist. The court ordered the girl placed with the extended family in Utah after finding that de facto parents had not proven by clear and convincing evidence that it was a certainty the child would suffer emotional harm by the transfer.

Footnote 1: All statutory references are to 25 U.S.C., unless otherwise indicated


De facto parents appeal from the placement order, raising constitutional challenges to the ICWA, which we hold they lack standing to assert. De facto parents also contend that the ICWA’s adoptive placement preferences do not apply when the tribe has consented to a child’s placement outside of the ICWA’s foster care placement preferences. We disagree with their interpretation of the statutory language. De facto parents further contend the court erroneously applied the clear and convincing standard of proof, rather than preponderance of the evidence, a contention we reject based upon the overwhelming authority on the issue. Finally, de facto parents contend the court erroneously interpreted the good cause exception to the ICWA’s adoptive placement preferences as requiring proof of a certainty that the child would suffer emotional harm if placed with the Utah couple, and failed to consider the bond between Alexandria and her foster family, the risk of detriment if that bond was broken, and Alexandria’s best interests. We agree with this last contention and reverse the placement order because the court’s error was prejudicial.

For clarity, we set forth the parties before turning to the facts and procedural history. The Indian child’s name is Alexandria. De facto parents, Rusty and Summer P., are appellants seeking to reverse the placement order. The P.s are supported by amici curiae Joan Hollinger, Northern California Association of Counsel for Children, and Advokids, which filed a joint brief in support of reversal. Alexandria argues we should affirm the order directing her pre-adoptive placement with Ginger and Ken R., her extended family in Utah. Alexandria’s father, the Department, and the Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma (tribe) have all filed briefs in support of affirmance as well.

FACTUAL BACKGROUND

Alexandria’s Family Background

Alexandria’s mother is not Indian, has a history of substance abuse, including methamphetamine abuse, and lost custody of at least six other children before Alexandria was born. Alexandria’s father, an enrolled member of the tribe, (Footnote 2) has a history of substance abuse and an extensive criminal history. He lost custody of Alexandria’s older half-sister, Anna, an enrolled member of the tribe who currently lives in Los Angles with paternal step-grandfather, her adoptive parent. Alexandria is 1/64th Choctaw and meets the statutory definition of an Indian child. (Footnote 3)

Footnote 2: Father initially denied any Indian heritage, and the record does not contain any evidence he ever lived on a reservation or had any social, political, or cultural ties to the tribe. Alexandria’s paternal grandmother alerted the Department to father’s tribal membership and also reported that Alexandria’s half-sister is a registered member of the Choctaw tribe.

Footnote 3: The ICWA defines an Indian child as including “any unmarried person who is under the age of eighteen and . . . is eligible for membership in an Indian tribe and is the biological child of a member of an Indian tribe.” (25 U.S.C. § 1903(4).)


Alexandria’s Child Welfare History

Alexandria was detained from her parents and placed with a foster family when she was 17 months old, based on concerns about her parents’ ability to care for her in light of their histories of substance abuse, child welfare referrals, and criminal activity. Alexandria reportedly was moved to a different foster family after suffering a black eye and a scrape on the side of her face (Footnote 4). The P.s were Alexandria’s third foster care placement, initially arranged in December 2011 as a “respite care” placement (Footnote 5) that evolved into a long-term foster care placement. The P.s were aware that Alexandria was an Indian child and her placement was subject to the ICWA.

Footnote 4: Lauren Axline, a rebuttal witness called by the P.s, was the only witness who testified about the transfer from Alexandria’s first foster family to her second placement. Department reports indicate that Alexandria’s foster placement changed twice between April and December 2011, but do not provide any reason for the changes in placement.

Footnote 5: The P.s agreed to care for Alexandria while her second foster family went on vacation


The P.s agreed to care for Alexandria while her second foster family went on vacation.


By the time Alexandria was placed with the P.s in December 2011, her extended family in Utah, the R.s, were aware of dependency proceeding and had spoken to representatives of the tribe about their interest in adopting Alexandria. The tribe agreed to initial foster placement with the P.s because it was close to father at a time when he was working on reunification. If reunification services were terminated, the tribe recommended placement with the R.s in Utah.

Alexandria’s Emotional Health

Alexandria’s first months after being placed with the P.s were difficult. She was weepy at times, did not want to be held, and had difficulty differentiating between strangers and caregivers, indiscriminately calling people “mommy” or “daddy.” These behaviors were considered signs of a “reactive attachment, the disinhibitive type.” The P.s addressed Alexandria’s attachment issues with consistency and loving care. They did not ask the social worker for a therapy referral, understanding the issues to be ones they could work out on their own. After a few months, Alexandria’s behavioral issues resolved, and she formed a strong primary bond and attachment with the entire P. family, viewing the parents as her own parents and the P. children as her siblings.
On September 17, 2012, Alexandria began play therapy with Ruth Polcino, a therapist with United American Indian Involvement. Sessions took place weekly in the P. home. In a December 31, 2012 letter to the Department’s social worker Javier, Polcino noted Alexandria’s “happiness, playfulness, sense of safety, and positive rapport with her foster parents and siblings” and concluded that her consistent, loving experience in the foster home appears to have fostered a healthy and secure attachment. Notably, the letter concludes “Based on witnessing Alexandria in the [P.s’] household, and based on her history of repeated separation from caretakers, this therapist highly recommends that Alexandria be allowed to stay in touch with the [P.] family, even after she is placed with her Aunt [Ginger R.] in Utah. This recommendation is not intended to interfere with the current adoption, but rather to allow Alexandria to stay in touch with the [P.] family as extended family who care about her.”
An April 3, 2013 report notes the significant advancements made by Alexandria during her placement with the P.s, as well as her ability to form a healthy attachment to new caretakers: “Alexandria’s ability to re-attach to a new caretaker is stronger because of the stability that the [P.] family has provided for her. The behaviors that she presented with initially when placed with the [P.] family were much more indicative of a possible attachment disorder (i.e., the indiscriminate attachment she demonstrated with strangers). Since then, these behaviors have been almost entirely extinguished. In their place are more appropriate behaviors that are evidence of a more healthy and secure attachment . . . .”

Father’s Reunification Efforts

Alexandria’s father successfully complied with reunification services for more than six months, progressing to such an extent that he was granted unmonitored eight-hour visits. By June 2012, the Department reported a substantial probability he would reunify with Alexandria within the next six months. Shortly thereafter, however, father’s emotional state deteriorated dramatically. He separated from his new wife, left California, and did not visit Alexandria after July 28, 2012. By September 2012, he had communicated to the Department that he no longer wished to continue reunification services.

The R. Family

Because Ginger R.’s uncle is Alexandria’s paternal step-grandfather, the tribe recognizes the R.s as Alexandria’s extended family. The R.s have an ongoing relationship with Alexandria’s half-sister, Anna, who visits the R.s on holidays and for a week or two during the summer. Anna and Alexandria have the same paternal grandmother (who has since passed away) and step-grandfather, and the step-grandfather has designated the R.s to care for Anna if he should become unable to care for Anna.
The R.s expressed their interest in adopting Alexandria as early as October 2011. They were initially told that to avoid confusing Alexandria, they should not contact her while father attempted to reunify. If reunification efforts failed, they were the tribe’s first choice for adoption. The family has approval for Alexandria to be placed with them under the Interstate Compact on the Placement of Children (ICPC). The R.s first visited Alexandria shortly after the court terminated father’s reunification services. Since then, they video chat with Alexandria about twice a week and have had multiple in-person visits in Los Angeles. The P.s refer to the R.s as family from Utah. At one point, when Alexandria asked if she was going to Utah, the P.s responded that they did not know for sure, but it was possible. Russell and Summer P. testified that before and following a recent visit by the R.s, most likely in June 2013, Alexandria was upset and said she did not want to visit with the R.s and did not like it when they came to visit. Russell P. acknowledged that the change in Alexandria’s feelings coincided with the birth of a new baby in the P. family and a transition to a new therapist for Alexandria.

The P. Family

Alexandria has lived with the P.s for over two and a half years, beginning in December 2011. By all accounts, they have provided her with clear and consistent rules, and a loving environment. Alexandria is bonded to the P.s, and has a healthy attachment to them. The Department consistently reminded the P.s that Alexandria is an Indian child subject to the ICWA placement preferences. At some point after father’s reunification efforts failed, the P.s decided they wanted to adopt Alexandria. They discussed the issue with the Department social worker, who advised them that the tribe had selected the R.s as the planned adoptive placement.

Transition Planning

As ordered by the court on April 12, 2013, the Department arranged a conference call to discuss a transition plan in anticipation of a possible court order directing placement with the R.s. The call lasted 90 minutes and included the P.s in Los Angeles; the R.s from Utah; Ruth Polcino, Alexandria’s therapist at United American Indian Involvement; Polcino’s supervisor, Jennifer Lingenfelter; Alexandria’s attorney, Kerri Anderson; Department social worker Roberta Javier, as well as two other Department employees. The participants agreed on a transition plan that involved a relatively short transition, with both families meeting for breakfast or at a park, explaining to Alexandria that she is going to with the R.s, who are family who love Alexandria very much and will take good care of her. The P.s would reassure Alexandria that they love her and will always be a part of her family.

PROCEDURAL BACKGROUND

The Department filed a petition in this matter on April 25, 2011, alleging that Alexandria was at risk of physical harm due to her parents’ history of substance abuse. The court appointed counsel for Alexandria and father, ordered reunification services for father, and later found father to be Alexandria’s biological father based on DNA test results (footnote 6).

Footnote 6: It is unclear why the court did not find father to be a presumed father, a status father requested early on in the case.


The declaration stated “active efforts have been made to provide remedial services and rehabilitation programs designed to prevent the breakup of the Indian family and those efforts have been unsuccessful. There is clear and convincing evidence that continued custody . . . is likely to cause the Indian child serious emotional or physical damage.”

On August 30, 2011, the court found that the ICWA applies and the matter was transferred to a specialized department for the ICWA cases, with Commissioner Sheri Sobel presiding. On November 3, 2011, the Department filed a Last Minute Information attaching the tribe’s Notice of Intervention, which the court acknowledged and filed the same day. A later Last Minute Information filed by the Department attached a declaration of a tribal social worker acknowledging that the ICWA requirements for Alexandria’s removal from parental custody had been met Footnote 7)

Footnote 7: The declaration stated “active efforts have been made to provide remedial services and rehabilitation programs designed to prevent the breakup of the Indian family and those efforts have been unsuccessful. There is clear and convincing evidence that continued custody . . . is likely to cause the Indian child serious emotional or physical damage.”


On December 22, 2011, the court conducted adjudication and disposition hearings,
sustaining allegations under subdivision (b) of Welfare and Institutions Code section 300 and removing Alexandria from parental custody. The court ordered reunification services for father, but denied services for mother. The court granted father monitored visits at least three times a week after he was released from custody. At a progress hearing on March 22, 2012, the court granted the Department discretion to allow father unmonitored daytime visits with Alexandria. On June 21, 2012, the Department filed a report describing father’s substantial compliance with reunification services and the likelihood that father would be able to reunify with Alexandria. The same day, the court ordered play therapy for Alexandria. On August 17, 2012, the court granted the Department’s petition to change court order, reinstating the requirement that father’s visits be supervised.

On October 4, 2012, the court terminated father’s reunification services and scheduled a hearing for termination of parental rights under Welfare and Institutions Code section 366.26. At the Department’s request on November 16, 2012, the court issued a request for expedited placement, identifying the R.s in Utah as the planned placement under the ICPC.

On January 17, 2013, while the ICPC request was still in process, Alexandria’s guardian ad litem and court-appointed attorney requested a “Do Not Remove” order to prevent Alexandria from being moved out of state without a court order. Commissioner Sobel granted the request on January 18, 2013. Other than two continuances granted in April 2013, all later proceedings were held before Judge Amy Pellman.

Over the next six months, the court granted de facto parent status to the P.s, the ICPC request permitting Alexandria’s placement with the R.s in Utah was approved, Alexandria’s attorney withdrew her objection to Alexandria’s change in placement Footnote 8), and all parties submitted briefing addressing whether good cause existed to depart from the ICWA’s adoptive placement preferences.

Footnote 8: The record contains no information about the reasons for this change in position.


On July 29, 2013, the court commenced a hearing that spanned five days over the course of three months to determine whether good cause existed to permit Alexandria to remain with the P.s, rather than placing her with the R.s in Utah in accordance with the ICWA’s adoptive placement preferences. The court heard testimony from (1) Roberta Javier, the social worker for the Department who was assigned to the case in December 2011, around the same time Alexandria was placed with the P.s; (2) Jennifer Lingenfelter, clinical director at United American Indian Involvement, where she supervised Alexandria’s first therapist, Ruth Polcino, until Polcino went on maternity leave; (3) Russell P., Alexandria’s foster father; (4) Summer P., Alexandria’s foster mother; (5) Ginger R., Alexandria’s extended family member and proposed adoptive mother; (6) Genevieve Marquez, Alexandria’s current therapist at United American Indian Involvement; (7) Amanda Robinson, a tribal social worker; (8) Lauren Axline, a foster adoption case manager at the foster agency that placed Alexandria with the P.s; and (9) Billy Stevens, a tribal elder.

The social workers and therapists who testified all agreed that Alexandria has a primary attachment and a strong bond with the P.s. She considers Russell and Summer P. her parents and the P. children her siblings. Regarding Alexandria’s ability to attach with a new caregiver if her bond with the P.s is broken, Javier and Lingenfelter acknowledged that a change in placement would be potentially traumatic, but that the existence of a primary bond and healthy attachment increases the likelihood that a child will successfully attach to a new caregiver. Marquez believed that with appropriate intervention and support, Alexandria would cope with a transition resiliently, characterizing the possible trauma as a loss, but not the equivalent of the death of a parent. Lingenfelter and Marquez both acknowledged that any transition would pose a risk of trauma, including the possibility of depression and anxiety. Javier did not believe Alexandria would suffer any severe trauma because she sees the R.s as family and would not feel as if she is being sent to live with strangers. Axline, on the other hand, compared the transition to the death or loss of a parent or family, because “she is being taken away from everything that is familiar to her, everything that she’s known to be stability.” She also believed that Alexandria would have a more difficult time adjusting to a new placement than when she first came to the P.s because of the length of time she has been living with the P.s, and because she is able to understand far more than when she transitioned to the P.s at two years of age.

On December 9, 2013, the court issued a written statement of decision, summarized below. It also granted a seven-day stay, during which the P.s filed a petition for writ of supersedeas, which this court granted, directing that Alexandria would stay with the P.s until this court decided the P.s’ appeal of the court’s December 9, 2013 order.

THE DEPENDENCY COURT’S DECISION

The court issued its written statement of decision on December 9, 2013, finding the P.s had not demonstrated good cause to depart from the placement preferences and ordering a gradual transition for Alexandria to move from the P.s’ home to the R.s’ home. In its decision, the court reviewed the law governing the ICWA’s placement preferences and concluded that the R.s were extended family entitled to preference under section 1915(a) and Welfare and Institutions Code section 361.31(h) unless the P.s demonstrated good cause to depart from that preference. The court’s analysis focused primarily on “whether the significant bonding between the [P.s] and Alexandria constitute[s] good cause to deviate from the placement preferences.” It perceived a conflict in California appellate law on whether a court could consider the bonding that had occurred between Alexandria and the P.s as part of its good cause analysis. (In re A.A. (2008) 167 Cal.App.4th 1292 (A.A.) [affirming good cause finding based on expert testimony that minors suffered from reactive attachment disorder and changing placement would be detrimental]; compare In re Desiree F. (2000) 83 Cal.App.4th 460 (Desiree F.) [finding the ICWA notice violation and instructing the trial court to not consider the bonding between the child and current foster family and the trauma that may result from a change in placement in determining whether good cause exists to deviate from the ICWA’s placement preferences].)

The court then cited Adoption of Halloway (Utah 1986) 732 P.2d 962, 971 (Halloway) for the proposition that “courts generally agree that the psychological bond of an Indian child to a foster or adoptive parent should not be used as the sole evidence to support a finding of emotional damage.” The court did not discuss Halloway, but did describe two other out of state cases. In the first case, the Montana Supreme Court reversed a lower court finding of good cause based on the child’s strong psychological bond with foster parents, concluding instead that absent testimony demonstrating a child was “certain to develop an attachment disorder” the child’s attachment does not necessarily outweigh the placement preferences. (In re C.H. (Mont. 2000) 997 P.2d 776, 783 (C.H.).) In the second case, the county and minor’s counsel appealed a decision transferring a dependency case to tribal court pursuant to section 1911. The Nebraska Supreme Court reversed, concluding that the good cause exception applied when the two special needs children had lived with their non-Indian foster family for the past seven years and two experts testified about the negative effects of a change in placement. (Interest of C.W. (Neb. 1992) 479 N.W.2d 105, 116-118, overruled by In re Interest of Zylena R. (Neb. 2012) 825 N.W.2d 173, to the extent that it permits a state court to consider the best interests of an Indian child in deciding whether there is good cause to deny a motion to transfer a proceeding to tribal court.)

The court distinguished Alexandria’s situation from the facts under consideration in A.A., C.H., and Interest of C.W., noting that “[t]he expert testimony in this case did not reach to the level of certainty that Alexandria would suffer extreme detriment from another move.” The court’s decision included excerpts from two articles about the effect of changes in placement on children’s brains (Footnote 9), but then stated no evidence had been presented to contradict the expert testimony that a child who has successfully bonded would have an easier time bonding again and any trauma associated with a change in placement would be tempered by the stability of the earlier placement. The court noted the lack of evidence as to why introducing Alexandria to the R.s earlier would have interfered with reunification efforts, and admonished both the tribe and the Department for their respective roles in delaying contact between Alexandria and the R.s.

Footnote 9: The articles were not placed in evidence below, nor were they the subject of expert testimony at trial.


Ultimately, the court concluded that the P.s “were unable to meet their burden by clear and convincing evidence, that either the child currently had extreme psychological or emotional problems or would definitively have them in the future. Without that evidence, supported by experts, there is insufficient evidence to warrant a deviation from the placement preference. [Citations.] The evidence is uncontroverted that Alexandria is extremely bonded to the [P.s] and that she sees this family as her primary attachment. And while the bonding with the [P.s] is significant to this court, it does not supersede the placement preference under the ICWA. In re Desiree F. (2000) 83 Cal.App.4th 460[.]”

DISCUSSION

We first consider whether the adoptive placement preferences set forth in section 1915(a), and Welfare and Institutions Code section 361.31, subdivision (c), apply to Alexandria. The P.s are the only party challenging application of the placement preferences, and we conclude they lack standing to raise constitutional arguments against the ICWA’s application because they do not have a constitutionally protected interest in a continued relationship with Alexandria. Even if the P.s had standing to raise their constitutional arguments, we are not persuaded they are correct on the merits. The existing Indian family doctrine applied by Division Two of this court in In re Santos Y. (2001) 92 Cal.App.4th 1274 (Santos Y.) might permit us to conclude that the ICWA does not apply in this case, but the doctrine has been called into question by other appellate courts in this state, as well as by the courts of other states. The United States Supreme Court’s recent opinion in Adoptive Couple v. Baby Girl (2013) ___ U.S. ___, ___ [133 S.Ct. 2552, 186 L.Ed.2d 729] (Adoptive Couple) also does not compel a different conclusion. Next, we reject the contentions made the P.s and by amici curiae that section 1915(a)’s adoptive placement preferences do not apply because the Alexandria had already been placed in foster care with the de facto parents with the knowledge and consent of the tribe.

Concluding that the ICWA’s adoptive placement preferences do apply to this case, we then review the trial court’s order finding that the P.s failed to produce clear and convincing evidence of good cause to depart from those placement preferences. We determine that the court applied the correct burden of proof by requiring the P.s to prove by clear and convincing evidence that there was good cause to deviate from section 1915’s placement preferences. However, the court erroneously required the P.s to prove a certainty that Alexandria would suffer harm if moved, and failed to consider Alexandria’s best interests or her bond with the P.s in determining good cause.

The ICWA Background Information

Because numerous state and federal cases already review the legislative history and purpose of the ICWA and California’s statutory enactments pertaining to Indian child welfare law (see, e.g., Adoptive Couple, supra, 133 S.Ct. at 2557; Mississippi Band of Choctaw Indians v. Holyfield (1989) 490 U.S. 30, 32 (Holyfield); In re W.B., Jr. (2012) 55 Cal.4th 30, 40 (W.B.); In re Autumn K. (2013) 221 Cal.App.4th 674 (Autumn K.)), we limit our discussion here to the law most relevant to the issues presented in this case. The ICWA was enacted based on increasing concerns about “abusive child welfare practices that resulted in the separation of large numbers of Indian children from their families and tribes through adoption or foster care placement, usually in non-Indian homes.” (Holyfield, supra, at p. 32.) The first section of the ICWA states Congress’s findings “(3) that there is no resource that is more vital to the continued existence and integrity of Indian tribes than their children and that the United States has a direct interest, as trustee, in protecting Indian children who are members of or are eligible for membership in an Indian tribe; [¶] (4) that an alarmingly high percentage of Indian families are broken up by the removal, often unwarranted, of their children from them by nontribal public and private agencies and that an alarmingly high percentage of such children are placed in non-Indian foster and adoptive homes and institutions; and [¶] (5) that the States, exercising their recognized jurisdiction over Indian child custody proceedings through administrative and judicial bodies, have often failed to recognize the essential tribal relations of Indian people and the cultural and social standards prevailing in Indian communities and families.” (§ 1901.)

The ICWA establishes procedural and substantive standards governing the removal of Indian children from their families. (W.B, supra, 55 Cal.4th at p. 40.) The ICWA first requires notice to the Indian child’s parent, Indian custodian, and tribe or the Bureau of Indian Affairs (Bureau) whenever a court has reason to know that an Indian child is involved in a child custody proceeding. (§§ 1903(1), (4), 1912.) Once notice is given, the parent and the tribe have the right to petition to transfer the case to tribal court. (Holyfield, supra, 490 U.S. at p. 36.) If the matter is not transferred to tribal court, the ICWA imposes various procedural and substantive requirements on the proceedings. (W.B., supra, 55 Cal.4th at p. 49 [reviewing the ICWA’s requirements in detail].) “The most important substantive requirement imposed on state courts is that of § 1915(a), which, absent ‘good cause’ to the contrary, mandates that adoptive placements be made preferentially with (1) members of the child’s extended family, (2) other members of the same tribe, or (3) other Indian families.” (Holyfield, supra, at pp. 36-37.)

One year after the enactment of the ICWA, the Bureau enacted guidelines concerning the implementation of the ICWA. (Guidelines for State Courts; Indian Child Custody Proceedings, 44 Fed.Reg. 67584 (Nov. 26, 1979) (Guidelines).) According to the Guidelines, “The Indian Child Welfare Act, the federal regulations implementing the Act, the recommended guidelines and any state statutes, regulations or rules promulgated to implement the Act shall be liberally construed in favor of a result that is consistent with these preferences. Any ambiguities in any of such statutes, regulations, rules or guidelines shall be resolved in favor of the result that is most consistent with these preferences.” (Id. at p. 67586.)

Responding to inconsistent and sporadic application of the ICWA’s requirements by California courts, the California Legislature enacted Senate Bill 678 (SB 678) in 2006. SB 678 incorporated the ICWA’s requirements into California statutory law, revising several provisions of the Family, Probate, and Welfare and Institutions Codes. (See Autumn K., supra, 221 Cal.App.4th at pp. 703-704.) According to the Senate Rules Committee, SB 678 “affirms the state’s interest in protecting Indian children and the child’s interest in having tribal membership and a connection to the tribal community.” (Sen. Rules Com., Analysis of Sen. Bill No. 678 (2005–2006 Reg. Sess.) as amended Aug. 22, 2006, p. 1.) Similar to the ICWA, SB 678 contains a section of express legislative findings, including findings that “{i}t is in the interest of an Indian child that the child’s membership in the child’s Indian tribe and connection to the tribal community be encouraged and protected, regardless of whether the child is in the physical custody of an Indian parent or Indian custodian at the commencement of a child custody proceeding, the parental rights of the child’s parents have been terminated, or where the child has resided or been domiciled.” (Welf. & Inst. Code, § 224, subd. (a)(2).) The statute directs the court to “strive to promote the stability and security of Indian tribes and families, comply with the federal Indian Child Welfare Act, and seek to protect the best interest of the child. Whenever an Indian child is removed from a foster care home or institution, guardianship, or adoptive placement for the purpose of further foster care, guardianship, or adoptive placement, placement of the child shall be in accordance with the Indian Child Welfare Act.” (Id. at § 224, subd. (b).) In addition, a determination that a minor is “eligible for membership in an Indian tribe and a biological child of a member of an Indian tribe shall constitute a significant political affiliation with the tribe and shall require the application of the federal Indian Child Welfare Act to the proceedings.” (Id. at § 224, subd. (c).)

“In certain respects, California’s Indian child custody framework sets forth greater protections for Indian children, their tribes and parents than ICWA. [Citations.]” (In re Jack C., III (2011) 192 Cal.App.4th 967, 977.) Both federal and state law expressly provide that if a state or federal law provides a higher level of protection to the rights to the parent or Indian guardian of an Indian child, the higher standard shall prevail. (§ 1921; Welf. & Inst. Code, § 224, subd. (d) [also applying the higher standard of protection to the rights of the child].)

The ICWA defines foster care placement and adoptive placement (§ 1903(1)(i) and (iv)), and establishes separate placement preferences and standards for each (§ 1915(a) and (b)). The preferences reflect the legislative goals of keeping Indian children with their families and preserving the connection between the child and his or her tribe when removal is necessary. (§§ 1901, 1902; see also Welf. & Inst. Code, § 224.) California’s statutes governing placement of Indian children parallel those of the federal law. (Welf. & Inst. Code, § 361.31; In re Anthony T. (2012) 208 Cal.App.4th 1019, 1029 (Anthony T.) [California’s statute restates in large part section 1915].) The party seeking a placement outside the statutory preferences bears the burden of demonstrating good cause. (Welf. & Inst. Code, § 361.31, subd. (j); Fresno County Dept. of Children & Family Services v. Superior Court (2004) 122 Cal.App.4th 626, 644 (Fresno County).)

De Facto Parents’ Challenge to the ICWA’s Constitutionality

The P.s make three separate arguments challenging the constitutionality of the ICWA’s application in this case (footnote 10). They first contend that the ICWA violates equal protection because Alexandria’s only connection to the tribe is biological. Second, they contend the ICWA unconstitutionally impacts their liberty interest as a “de facto family” by requiring Alexandria’s removal from their home. Third, they contend the ICWA is invalid because Congress acted outside of its enumerated powers when it enacted the ICWA. The P.s lack standing to raise any of these issues on appeal. Even if we were to conclude they had standing, we are not persuaded by their arguments.

Footnote 10: The Department contends we should refuse to consider the P.s’ constitutional arguments because they forfeited the issue by failing to raise it before the court. The P.s did raise their constitutional arguments before the court. Even if they did not, we retain discretion to consider questions of constitutional import, even where the parties have forfeited their right to raise the issue on appeal. (In re Spencer S. (2009) 176 Cal.App.4th 1315, 1323.)


A. The P.s’ Standing to Raise Constitutional Challenge

As de facto parents, the P.s’ substantive and appellate rights are more limited than those of a presumed parent. (See, e.g., Clifford S. v. Superior Court (1995) 38 Cal.App.4th 747, 752-754 [de facto parents are not entitled to reunification services and therefore lack standing to appeal denial of reunification services].) Because the P.s have not identified a constitutionally protected interest in a continued relationship with Alexandria, and because Alexandria does not join their arguments, we see no basis for expanding their limited rights to include the right to appeal the ICWA’s constitutionality.

“Although standing to appeal is construed liberally, and doubts are resolved in its favor, only a person aggrieved by a decision may appeal. [Citations.]” (In re K.C. (2011) 52 Cal.4th 231, 236.) De facto parents must have a legal right that has been aggrieved by the order being appealed. (In re P.L. (2005) 134 Cal.App.4th 1357, 1359-1362 [de facto parent had no right to continued custody and therefore lacked standing where the child was placed pending finding a prospective adoptive home]; but see In re Vincent M. (2008) 161 Cal.App.4th 943, 953 (Vincent M.) [foster parents who were also prospective adoptive parents had standing to challenge an order taking the case off the adoption track].)

In order to challenge the constitutionality of the court’s application of the ICWA in this case, the P.s must demonstrate they have a constitutionally protected interest at stake. Parents whose children are subjects of a dependency proceeding have constitutionally protected interests in a continued relationship with their children. (In re Marilyn H. (1993) 5 Cal.4th 295, 306.) Children also have a fundamental interest in stability and permanency deserving of constitutional protection. (In re Jasmon O. (1994) 8 Cal.4th 398, 419.) Foster parents, on the other hand, do not enjoy the same constitutional protections. (Backlund v. Barnhart (9th Cir. 1985) 778 F.2d 1386, 1389 [“foster parents do not enjoy the same constitutional protections that natural parents do”].)

The P.s claim there is a constitutionally protected interest in the foster family relationship. Relying on Smith v. Organization of Foster Families for Equality and Reform (1977) 431 U.S. 816, 843-847 (Smith), the P.s argue that they and Alexandria, considered as a unit, are a de facto family (Footnote 11) with an interest in stability and the right to be free from government intrusion. In Smith, a group of foster parents challenged the adequacy of protections against removal of foster children who had been placed with the family a year or more. (Id. at p. 839.) The United States Supreme Court declined to decide whether the foster parents had a constitutionally protected liberty interest, concluding instead that even if such an interest existed, the challenged procedures were constitutionally adequate. (Id. at p. 847.) Ultimately, the high court held the laws governing the foster family relationship were sufficient to satisfy due process, but it did not create or recognize an independent constitutional interest in the foster family relationship. (Id. at p. 847.) The P.s here contend the ICWA violates both due process and equal protection. Without demonstrating that they are entitled to constitutional protections as foster parents, they cannot raise such a challenge.

Footnote 11: The P.s attempt to frame their argument as the family’s interest, rather than their interests as foster or de facto parents, ignoring the fact that their arguments about stability and Alexandria’s best interests contradict those expressed by Alexandria’s guardian ad litem on her behalf. We address this divergence of position later in this opinion


The P.s also argue they have standing because Alexandria’s constitutional interest in stability and permanency is intertwined with their interest in continued custody. Had Alexandria argued that the ICWA’s application in this case impaired her constitutional rights, our analysis might be different. In Santos Y., the court considered a constitutional challenge raised by de facto parents. The court did not address standing, but expressly noted that the de facto parents’ position was consistent with minor’s position, and that the de facto parents did not possess their own independent constitutional interest. (Santos Y., supra, 92 Cal.App.4th at pp. 1315-1376 & fn. 24 [“[a]ppellants may raise the interests of the Minor, but as foster parents do not themselves possess an interest in a familial relationship with the Minor, that has been found to be fundamental for substantive due process analysis”]; see also In re Bridget R. (1996) 41 Cal.App.4th 1483, 1490, fn. 2 [minors filed a responsive brief supporting position of the de facto parents challenging a change in placement under the ICWA].) Even in Smith, appointed counsel for the children argued that foster parents possessed no liberty interest independent of the interests of the foster children, and the best interests of those children would not be served by additional procedural protections against removal from foster families. (Smith, supra, 431 U.S. at p. 839.)

In contrast here, Alexandria’s counsel and guardian ad litem never contested the ICWA’s application to this case, and agreed with the Department, father, and the tribe that the ICWA required Alexandria to be placed with the R.s for adoption and good cause did not exist to deviate from that placement decision. Thus we conclude that on the facts before us, where minor has separate counsel who has sought an outcome consistent with the ICWA’s requirements, de facto parents lack standing to independently appeal the constitutionality of the ICWA’s application to the case.

Our decision in Vincent M., supra, 161 Cal.App.4th 943, recognizing that de facto parents may have standing to appeal orders that impact their right to a continued relationship with a foster child, does not require a different result. In Vincent M., the minor was placed with the de facto parents when he was only four days old, and the case was immediately put on the adoption track. The biological father appeared for the first time in the action eight months later, filing a petition under Welfare and Institutions Code section 388 seeking reunification services. We held that the de facto parents had a legally cognizable interest in the planned adoption and a right to appeal an order that took the case off the adoption track. (Id. at p. 953.) The foster parents in Vincent M. were aggrieved by the order they were appealing, but they made no constitutional challenge to the trial court’s order on behalf of the minor. Here, the P.s acknowledge Alexandria’s placement with them was not an adoptive placement and they were consistently made aware that the ICWA’s placement preferences were applicable. They knew at all times the placement was intended to be temporary to facilitate reunification and Alexandria would either reunify with her father or be placed with another family under the ICWA’s placement preferences.

B. Constitutional Arguments

Even if we were to conclude the P.s had standing to challenge the ICWA’s constitutionality, we find their arguments unpersuasive. The P.s’ constitutional arguments emphasize that Alexandria’s connection to the tribe is solely biological, and that father did not have physical or legal custody of Alexandria before the dependency case was filed. We reject the P.s’ attempt to apply the existing Indian family doctrine to this case, and to expand the limited holding of the United States Supreme Court in Adoptive Couple, supra, 133 S.Ct. 2552, well beyond its intended scope. We also reject the argument that Congress acted outside of its enumerated powers in enacting the ICWA.

1. The continued viability of the existing Indian family doctrine is questionable, and it is inapplicable to this case

The existing Indian family doctrine is a judicially created exception to the ICWA for factual situations when the minor has never been a member of an Indian home or exposed to Indian culture. It was first applied by the Kansas Supreme Court in Matter of Adoption of Baby Boy L. (Kan. 1982) 643 P.2d 168, 175. That court has since repudiated the doctrine, as have courts in many other states. (In re A.J.S. (Kan. 2009) 204 P.3d 543, 548-551; see also Thompson v. Fairfax County Dept. of Family Services (Va.Ct.App. 2013) 747 S.E.2d 838, 847-848 [citing and joining “the growing chorus of courts that have rejected the Existing Indian Family Exception”].)

In California, there is a split in the appellate districts, and the continued viability of the doctrine is far from settled. Four of California’s six appellate districts have rejected the doctrine. Most recently, the First Appellate District declared “[t]here is no question that the existing Indian family doctrine is not viable in California.” (Autumn K., supra, 221 Cal.App.4th at p. 716.) The Sixth Appellate District rejected the doctrine in In re Vincent M. (2007) 150 Cal.App.4th 1247, 1265, turning away from its earlier application of the doctrine in Crystal R. v. Superior Court (1997) 59 Cal.App.4th 703, 718-724 (Crystal R.), and explicitly rejecting this district’s continued application of the doctrine in Santos Y., supra, 92 Cal.App.4th 1274. Also among those rejecting the doctrine are the Third Appellate District (In re Adoption of Hannah S. (2006) 142 Cal.App.4th 988, 996) and the Fifth Appellate District (In re Alicia S. (1998) 65 Cal.App.4th 79 (Alicia S.)).

Of the two California appellate districts that have upheld the doctrine, the Fourth District’s decision (In re Alexandria Y. (1996) 45 Cal.App.4th 1483) pre-dates the enactment of Welfare and Institutions Code section 224 in 2006, codifying the California Legislature’s intent to protect and encourage an Indian child’s connection to the tribal community, regardless of the child’s prior connection to the tribe. Only our own Second District has published an opinion rejecting the Legislature’s attempt to establish the ICWA’s application where a minor’s sole connection to the tribe is biological. (Santos Y., supra, 92 Cal.App.4th 1274 [not applying statute rejecting existing Indian family doctrine because California legislature has no independent constitutional authority with respect to Indian tribes].) Even if Santos Y., supra, 92 Cal.App.4th 1274 is correct in recognizing the existing Indian family doctrine, it is distinguishable from the current case because the appellants and the minors in Santos Y. both sought the same result, namely continued placement with de facto parents. In contrast here, Alexandria, through her counsel, argues the court was correct in applying the ICWA, and only the P.s—who lack an independent constitutional right—are arguing the ICWA is unconstitutional as applied. Without going into an in-depth analysis, in light of the numerous decisions within California and from other states rejecting the existing Indian family doctrine, we are inclined to agree with the Sixth District’s reasoning that later California statutes indicate a clear intent to prohibit state courts from continuing to apply the existing Indian family doctrine in cases where the ICWA would otherwise apply. (See In re Vincent M., supra, 150 Cal.App.4th at p. 1271 (conc. opn. of Bamattre-Manoukian, J.); see also Welf. & Inst. Code, § 224, subds. (a)(2) and (c).)

2. The United States Supreme Court’s analysis in Adoptive Couple does not impact this case

The most recent United States Supreme Court case addressing the ICWA only receives tangential mention in the P.s’ opening brief to support their argument that the ICWA cannot constitutionally apply to a case where an Indian father never had custody of the child. The reasoning of Adoptive Couple, supra, 133 S.Ct. at pp. 2558-2559 has no impact on the case before us, because the facts of our case are entirely distinguishable.

Adoptive Couple involved an Indian father whose child was placed in a private adoption after he had voluntarily relinquished his parental rights. (Adoptive Couple, supra, 133 S.Ct. at pp. 2558-2559.) The Supreme Court addressed whether the ICWA precluded termination of the father’s rights until the court found that “active efforts have been made to provide remedial services and rehabilitative programs” to the father and that his continued custody of the minor “would result in serious emotional or physical harm” to the minor. (Id. at pp. 2557-2558, quoting § 1912 (d) and (f).) The court held that such findings were not necessary because father never had physical or legal custody of the minor. The court interpreted statutory language referring to a parent’s “continued custody” (§ 1912(f)) and efforts directed at preventing the “breakup of the Indian family” (§ 1912(d)) as limiting the scope of the statutory requirements so as to exclude a biological father who never had physical or legal custody of his child. (Id. at pp. 2560-2564.) The court’s opinion is based entirely on interpreting the statutory language, in particular the phrases “continued custody” and “breakup,” to arrive at the conclusion that the ICWA’s protections did not apply to the father. Nowhere in the court’s opinion is there a discussion of the ICWA’s constitutionality, or whether it may constitutionally be applied in a dependency proceeding where the Indian father has a period of substantial compliance with reunification services, including unmonitored visitation. Justice Scalia’s dissent in Adoptive Couple raises the question of whether visitation would be sufficient to warrant the ICWA’s protections under section 1912(d) and (f). (Id. at pp. 2578-2579 (dis. opn. of Scalia, J.).) However, the court does not address the concern beyond noting that such parents might receive protections under state law. (Id. at p. 2563, fn. 8) None of the discussion affects the dependency court’s application of the ICWA in the case currently under appeal.

Part IV of the United States Supreme Court’s opinion does address the ICWA’s placement preferences under section 1915, the provision at issue in our case. The court held that when no party entitled to placement preference under section 1915(a) has come forward to adopt an Indian child, the preferences identified under that section do not apply. (Id. at p. 2564.) This holding does not apply to the case at hand because the R.s have been identified as prospective adoptive parents and are entitled to placement preference because they are considered extended family by the tribe. Nothing in the reasoning of Adoptive Couple leads us to conclude otherwise.

3. We need not examine the ICWA’s facial constitutionality.

Appellant’s final attack on the ICWA’s constitutionality rests on Justice Thomas’s concurrence in Adoptive Couple. (Id. at p. 2565-2571 (conc. opn. of Thomas, J).) Justice Thomas characterizes the ICWA as facially unconstitutional because it falls outside Congress’s powers to “regulate Commerce . . . with the Indian Tribes.” (U.S. Const., art. I, § 8, cl. 3.) This view was not adopted by any other member of the United States Supreme Court, and even if it had any viability, it would not bar the application of California statutes that parallel the ICWA. Thus, the trial court’s decision would still be a legitimate application of Welfare and Institutions Code section 360.31.

Asserted Agreement by the Tribe to Alexandria’s Adoptive Placement by Consenting to her Foster Care Placement with the P.s

The P.s and amici curiae make a novel contention (Footnote 12) that by consenting to Alexandria’s placement with a family outside of the foster care placement preferences identified in section 1915(b), the tribe waived the application of the adoptive placement preferences stated in section 1915(a) (Footnote 13). We reject this contention because the P.s forfeited the issue by failing to raise it before the court and also because it does not comport with the plain statutory language.

Footnote 12: We also decline to consider the argument, contained in footnote 6 of the P.s’ opening brief, that the court erred in accepting the tribe’s characterization of the R.s as extended family. (California Ass’n of Sanitation Agencies v. State Water Resources Control Bd. (2012) 208 Cal.App.4th 1438, 1454 [appellate court may disregard contentions not raised in a properly headed argument and not supported by reasoned argument]; Cal. Rules of Court, rule 8.204(a)(1)(B).)

Footnote 13: The relevant statutory text reads as follows: “(a) Adoptive placements; preferences [¶] In any adoptive placement of an Indian child under State law, a preference shall be given, in the absence of good cause to the contrary, to a placement with (1) a member of the child’s extended family; (2) other members of the Indian child’s tribe; or (3) other Indian families. [¶] (b) Foster care or preadoptive placements; criteria; preferences [¶] Any child accepted for foster care or preadoptive placement shall be placed in the least restrictive setting which most approximates a family and in which his special needs, if any, may be met. The child shall also be placed within reasonable proximity to his or her home, taking into account any special needs of the child. In any foster care or preadoptive placement, a preference shall be given, in the absence of good cause to the contrary, to a placement with-- [¶] (i) a member of the Indian child's extended family; [¶] (ii) a foster home licensed, approved, or specified by the Indian child's tribe; [¶] (iii) an Indian foster home licensed or approved by an authorized non-Indian licensing authority; or [¶] (iv) an institution for children approved by an Indian tribe or operated by an Indian organization which has a program suitable to meet the Indian child's needs.” (§ 1915(a) and (b).)


Because they failed to argue this issue to the court, the P.s are precluded from raising the argument on appeal. A claim of error is forfeited on appeal if it is not raised in the trial court. (In re S.B. (2004) 32 Cal.4th 1287, 1293.) “The purpose of this rule is to encourage parties to bring errors to the attention of the trial court, so that they may be corrected.” (Ibid.) There was an extended time frame during which the P.s argued that Alexandria should remain placed with them, but at no point did they argue that the tribe’s consent to foster care placement precluded application of section 1915(a). Therefore, this issue is forfeited on appeal.

Even if we did not consider the issue forfeited, we are not persuaded that Congress or the California Legislature intended to require tribes to make an election at the time of foster care placement that would prevent a change in placement for adoption, especially when the foster family is informed that they are not being considered as an adoptive placement because of the ICWA’s requirements. Section 1903(1) provides separate definitions for “foster care placement” and “adoptive placement.” (Footnote 14) The ICWA’s placement preferences are distinct for each type of placement, and different considerations apply for foster care and adoptive placements. (See § 1915(a) [adoptive placement preferences]; 1915(b) [foster care placement preferences].) For example, foster care placements must be within reasonable proximity to the child’s home and must take a child’s special needs into account. (§ 1915(b); Anthony T., supra, 208 Cal.App.4th at pp. 1029-1032 [foster care placement was not in “reasonable proximity” to minor’s home].) The same is not true for adoptive placements. (§ 1915(a).) The P.s and amici curiae argue that once an Indian child is placed in foster care under section 1915(b), the only way for a court to consider adoptive placement preferences under section 1915(a) is if the child is “removed” from the foster placement under section 1916(b).

Footnote 14: Section 1903(1)(i) defines “foster care placement” as “any action removing an Indian child from its parent or Indian custodian for temporary placement in a foster home or institution or the home of a guardian or conservator where the parent or Indian custodian cannot have the child returned upon demand, but where parental rights have not been terminated[.]” Section 1903(1)(iv) defines adoptive placement as “the permanent placement of an Indian child for adoption, including any action resulting in a final decree of adoption.”


This argument is unsupported by case law and in fact, runs counter to the many published cases where a tribe or Indian parent initially consents to foster care placement that does not comply with the ICWA’s placement preferences, and later asserts adoptive placement preferences, usually after reunification efforts have failed. (See, e.g., Santos Y., supra, 92 Cal.App.4th 1274 [tribe supported placement with foster parents for two years, until it found a suitable individual qualified as a preferred adoptive placement]; Native Village of Tununak v. State, Dept. of Health & Social Services, Office of Children’s Services (Alaska 2013) 303 P.3d 431, 434 (Tununak) [parties stipulated to a foster placement that departed from the ICWA’s placement preferences while a search for preferred placements continued].)

The good cause exception permits a court to depart from adoptive placement preferences. (See, e.g., Alicia S., supra, 65 Cal.App.4th at pp. 91-92 [removal from a foster home is not a foregone conclusion if the ICWA applies, because “good cause” exception may permit a different result].) However, we decline to conclude that mere consent to a foster care placement falling outside the preferences listed in section 1915(b) in order to facilitate reunification efforts precludes a court from ordering a later change in placement to comply with section 1915(a)’s adoptive placement preferences.

The Dependency Court’s Decision on the Applicability of the Good Cause Exception to the ICWA’s Placement Preferences

The trial court correctly required the P.s to demonstrate by clear and convincing evidence that there was good cause to depart from the ICWA’s placement preferences. However, the court’s application of the good cause exception to the facts before it was legally erroneous. Because the error was prejudicial to the P.s, we reverse and remand the matter for the court to conduct further proceedings necessary to apply the good cause exception in a manner consistent with this opinion.

A. The Clear and Convincing Standard of Proof Applies to Good Cause Determinations Under Section 1915 of the United States Code.

The P.s and amici curiae contend that the trial court applied an erroneous standard of proof when it concluded they failed to show good cause by clear and convincing evidence. According to the P.s, good cause need only be shown by a preponderance of the evidence because both the state and federal statutes are silent on the applicable standard of proof. (Evid. Code, § 115 “[e]xcept as otherwise provided by law, the burden of proof requires proof by a preponderance of the evidence”].) The Department and Alexandria both contend that the court correctly required the P.s to show clear and convincing evidence of good cause. Alexandria also contends the P.s forfeited the right to raise the issue on appeal by failing to object to the court’s use of the clear and convincing standard of proof. Father and the tribe join in these arguments.

We exercise our discretion to proceed to the merits of the P.s’ argument. In a case where the placement of a young child is at issue, allocation of the burden of proof in the trial court’s assessment of good cause is an issue of vital importance and sufficient magnitude to warrant relaxation of the rule of forfeiture. We conclude that in spite of the absence of express statutory language, the party asserting the good cause exception to the ICWA’s placement preferences must demonstrate good cause by clear and convincing evidence.

We review de novo the question of what standard of proof applies in light of a silent or ambiguous statute. (In re Michael G. (1998) 63 Cal.App.4th 700, 709-710 (Michael G.).) “Our primary aim in construing any law is to determine the legislative intent. [Citation.] In doing so we look first to the words of the statute, giving them their usual and ordinary meaning. [Citations.]” (Committee of Seven Thousand v. Superior Court (1988) 45 Cal.3d 491, 501.) The function of a standard of proof is to instruct the finder of fact about the degree of confidence necessary for a particular type of adjudication, balancing the weight of private and public interests and reflecting a societal judgment of how the risk of error should be distributed between the parties. (Santosky v. Kramer (1982) 455 U.S. 745, 754-755; Cynthia D. v. Superior Court (1993) 5 Cal.4th 242, 251.) Here, a lower standard of proof would likely result in more frequent exceptions to the ICWA’s placement preferences, undermining “[t]he most important substantive requirement imposed on state courts” by the ICWA. (Holyfield, supra, 490 U.S. at pp. 36-37.) The Guidelines state that custody proceedings involving Indian children “shall follow strict procedures and meet stringent requirements to justify any result in an individual case contrary to [the ICWA placement] preferences,” and that any ambiguities in the ICWA statutes “shall be resolved in favor of a result that is most consistent with these preferences.” (Guidelines, supra, 44 Fed. Reg. at p. 67586.) Although the Guidelines are not binding, they help inform our decision of whether the ICWA mandates a “clear and convincing evidence” standard in adoptive preferences.

Neither § 1915 nor Welfare and Institutions Code section 361.31 specify a standard of proof for the good cause exception to the placement preferences identified in the statute. This is in contrast to other provisions of the two statutory schemes, where either Congress or the California Legislature has specified a standard of proof. (See, e.g., § 1912(e) [requiring clear and convincing evidence that a parent’s continued custody of a child is likely to result in harm to the child before placing the child in foster care]; Welf. & Inst. Code, § 361.7(c) [same].) The principles of statutory construction recognize that when the legislature employs a term in one place and omits it in another, the term usually should not be implied where it is absent. (Michael G., supra, 63 Cal.App.4th at p. 710.) The same principle applies in federal law. (Grogan v. Garner (1991) 498 U.S. 279, 286 [legislative “silence is inconsistent with the view that Congress intended to require a special, heightened standard of proof”].) However, courts have also interpreted statutes that do not specify a standard of proof as requiring clear and convincing evidence, rather than the lower standard of preponderance of the evidence. (See, e.g., In re Marquis D. (1995) 38 Cal.App.4th 1813, 1827-1829 [despite statute’s silence, the Department must show clear and convincing evidence of detriment before court can deny non-custodial parent’s request for placement].)

The ICWA’s policy goal of promoting the stability and security of Indian tribes and families persuades us to join the growing number of state courts, including the Supreme Courts of Alaska and South Dakota, that apply the clear and convincing standard of proof to good cause determinations under section 1915. (See, e.g., Tununak, supra, 303 P.3d 431 [overruling earlier precedent and requiring clear and convincing evidence for good cause determinations]; People ex rel. South Dakota Dept. of Social Services (S.D. 2011) 795 N.W.2d 39, 43-44 [“deviations from the ICWA placement preferences require a showing of good cause by clear and convincing evidence”]; In re Adoption of Baby Girl B. (Okla.Ct.App. 2003) 67 P.3d 359, 373–74 [clear and convincing standard of proof applies to section 1915(b) determinations]; Matter of Custody of S.E.G. (Minn.Ct.App. 1993) 507 N.W.2d 872, 878), revd. on other grounds, (Minn. 1994) 521 N.W.2d 357 (S.E.G.) [“it is unreasonable to assume that Congress, by its silence, intended to apply the preponderance of the evidence standard when determining whether ‘good cause’ exists to deviate from the adoption placement preferences”].) In contrast, the P.s do not cite to any cases applying the preponderance of the evidence standard of proof to good cause exceptions to the placement preferences, and we are aware of only one published appellate court decision rejecting the clear and convincing standard of proof. (Department of Human Services v. Three Affiliated Tribes of Ford Berthold Reservation (Or.Ct.App. 2010) 238 P.3d 40, 50, fn. 17 [rejecting minor’s contention that good cause determination must be based on clear and convincing evidence].)

Just last year, the Alaska Supreme Court examined this precise issue, and we are persuaded by its well-reasoned decision that despite the lack of explicit statutory language, a court must find clear and convincing evidence of good cause before it may deviate from the ICWA’s placement preferences. In Tununak, supra, 303 P.3d at pp. 433-440, a four-month-old Indian girl was removed from her parents, who lived in Anchorage. The girl’s maternal grandmother lived in a remote Alaskan town, and although she was available for placement, all parties agreed that immediate placement would hinder any efforts at reunification. Instead, the girl was placed with a non-Indian foster family in Anchorage to facilitate reunification efforts.

The tribe consented to the foster care placement. After parents failed to reunify, the lower court found good cause by a preponderance of the evidence to deviate from a preferred placement, allowing the minor to remain with the foster family rather than placing her with maternal grandmother for adoption. (Tununak, supra, 303 P.3d at pp. 433-440.) The Alaska Supreme Court in Tununak conducted an in-depth examination of legislative history and cases from other jurisdictions, and also considered its own earlier decisions identifying preponderance of the evidence as the correct standard of proof for finding good cause, and reached the conclusion that its earlier decisions were erroneous and the correct standard of proof for the good cause exception was clear and convincing evidence. (Id. at pp. 446-449.) In light of the ICWA’s policy “to protect the best interests of Indian children and to promote the stability and security of Indian tribes and families . . . ” the Tununak court declined to infer the appropriate standard of proof without a closer examination of Congress’s intent. (§ 1902; Tununak, supra, at p. 447.) In enacting the ICWA, Congress intended to “eradicate the unwarranted removal of Indian children from their communities. Congress expressly noted the role of state courts in perpetuating this problem and sought to rein in state court discretion through the passage of mandatory federal standards, amongst which is § 1915(a).” (Tununak, supra, at pp. 447-448, fns. omitted.)

The Alaska Supreme Court looked to the United States Supreme Court’s reasoning in Holyfield, supra, 490 U.S. 30, as supporting the inference that a higher evidentiary standard was warranted based on close scrutiny of Congressional intent. (Id. at p. 448.) In Holyfield, the United States Supreme Court pointed to the legislative history and purpose of the ICWA to conclude that Congress did not intend to leave definitions of critical terms such as “domicile” to state courts because Congress perceived those courts as “partly responsible for the problem it intended to correct.” (Holyfield, supra, 490 U.S. at 45.) Just as Holyfield considered it “beyond dispute that Congress intended a uniform federal law of domicile for the ICWA” (id. at p. 47), courts have almost universally concluded that Congress intended a nationally consistent standard of proof for the good cause exception. (Tununak, supra, at p. 448). As the Tununak court explained, “Holyfield instructs us that like the definition of ‘domicile,’ the ‘good cause’ standard must be interpreted according to Congress’s intent. While we are mindful that Congress intended to leave the good cause determination to the states, we recognize that this discretion is not without bounds. As our foregoing analysis of the purposes and policies that drove the enactment of ICWA indicates, the clear and convincing evidence standard is most consistent with Congress’s intent to maintain Indian families and tribes intact wherever possible by eradicating the unwarranted removal of Indian children from their communities.” (Ibid.)

The Tununak court also pointed out that “[a] clear and convincing standard of proof for § 1915(a) good cause determinations is also more consistent with other provisions in ICWA demanding a heightened standard of proof.” (Tununak, supra, 303 P.3d at p. 449, referring to §§ 1921 [“n any case where State or Federal law applicable to a child custody proceeding . . . provides a higher standard of protection to the rights of the parent or Indian custodian of an Indian child than the rights provided under this subchapter, the State or Federal court shall apply the State or Federal standard”]; 1912(e) [requiring clear and convincing evidence that the continued custody of the child by the parent or Indian custodian is likely to result in serious emotional or physical damage to the child]; and 1912(f) [requiring evidence beyond a reasonable doubt before parental rights are terminated].)

Based on principles of statutory interpretation and case law, both from California as well as other state courts, we are persuaded that even in the face of legislative silence on the question, both Congress and the California Legislature intended for courts to apply the higher clear and convincing evidence standard of proof before making a good cause exception to the placement preferences.

B. The Dependency Court’s Interpretation of the Good Cause Exception was Legally Erroneous

When a party appeals a good cause determination, the appellate court usually applies a substantial evidence standard of review. (Fresno County, supra, 122 Cal.App.4th at pp. 644-646.) “Under this standard, we do not pass on the credibility of witnesses, attempt to resolve conflicts in the evidence, or reweigh the evidence. Instead, we draw all reasonable inferences in support of the findings, view the record favorably to the juvenile court’s order and affirm the order even if there is other evidence supporting a contrary finding. [Citations.] The appellant has the burden of showing there is no evidence of a sufficiently substantial nature to support the court’s findings. [Citation.]” (In re G.L. (2009) 177 Cal.App.4th 683, 697-698.) However, because the P.’s challenge the lower court’s interpretation of the term “good cause,” they raise issues of statutory interpretation, which we review de novo. (Anthony T., supra, 208 Cal.App.4th at p. 1028.)

The court committed three legal errors in interpreting the meaning of the term “good cause” as an exception to the placement preferences identified in section 1915. First, it erred by requiring the P.s to show that Alexandria either “currently had extreme psychological or emotional problems or would definitively have them in the future” and reasoning that the “expert testimony in this case did not reach to the level of certainty that Alexandria would suffer extreme detriment from another move.” Second, while not entirely clear from the court’s statement of decision, the court may have erroneously declined to consider the bond between Alexandria and the P.s, and the detriment Alexandria might suffer from an order requiring a change in placement. Third, the court failed to consider Alexandria’s best interests in deciding whether the good cause exception applied.

“[T]he legislative history of the [ICWA] ‘states explicitly that the use of the term “good cause” was designed to provide state courts with flexibility in determining the disposition of a placement proceeding involving an Indian child. [Citation.]’ [Citation.]” (In re Robert T. (1988) 200 Cal.App.3d 657, 663.) In determining whether good cause exists to depart from the ICWA’s placement preferences, the court may take a variety of considerations into account. The Guidelines state “a determination of good cause not to follow the order of preference set out above shall be based on one or more of the following considerations: [¶] (i) The request of the biological parents or the child when the child is of sufficient age. [¶] (ii) The extraordinary physical or emotional needs of the child as established by testimony of a qualified expert witness. [¶] (iii) The unavailability of suitable families for placement after a diligent search has been completed for families meeting the preference criteria.” (Guidelines, supra, 44 Fed. Reg. at p. 67594.) These considerations are not exclusive, and courts are free to consider other factors. (Fresno County, supra, 122 Cal.App.4th at pp. 642-643 [the guidelines “should be given important but not controlling significance”].)

1. Certainty requirement

In determining what evidence is required to establish good cause, the court ruled that a moving party could only show good cause by expert testimony and evidence that the child “currently had extreme psychological and emotional problems, or would definitively have them in the future.” This extreme standard is not based in California law, but instead is found in an opinion by the Montana Supreme Court, which reversed a lower court’s finding of good cause to deviate from the ICWA’s placement preferences. (C.H., supra, 997 P.2d 776.) In C.H., the lower court determined the child had likely suffered physical abuse and placed her with non-Indian foster parents at the age of three months. When the child was fifteen months old, the lower court found good cause to deviate from the ICWA’s placement preferences based in part on a finding that “as a result of [minor’s] emotional bond with the [foster family] and the abuse she experienced early in life, she is at risk for developing an attachment disorder should she be removed” from her foster home. (Id. at p. 781.) The Montana Supreme Court reversed, pointing to the lack of any testimony that the minor “was certain to develop an attachment disorder if removed from” the foster family’s home. (Id. at 783, italics added.) The court went on to explain the certainty requirement by stating “[t]he risk that a child might develop such problems in the future is simply too nebulous and speculative a standard on which to determine that good cause exists to avoid the ICWA placement preferences. Indeed, it could be said that any child who has been abused, removed from its parents’ care at a young age and placed in foster care might be at risk for developing emotional or psychological disorders. To allow such an indefinite standard to meet the good cause test for avoiding the preferences would essentially ignore the preferences set forth in § 1915(a) of the ICWA.” (Id. at p. 783.)

The decision in C.H., supra,997 P.2d 776 is in a distinct minority among cases interpreting the good cause requirement, as most cases do not require the party seeking a good cause exception to the placement preferences to demonstrate with certainty that a child will suffer harm. (See, e.g., Fresno County, supra, 122 Cal.App.4th at p. 640 [affirming good cause finding based on “high risk” that minor would develop an attachment order]; A.A., supra, 167 Cal.App.4th at pp. 1329-1330 [good cause to remain in non-preferred placement because removal posed a serious risk of harm].) An Arizona appellate opinion reflects our concern about holding a moving party to such a high standard: “We disagree with In re C.H. interpreting ICWA to require an expert to testify that trauma is certain to result from a transfer of custody or if a certain placement is or is not made cannot be in a child’s best interest. Prediction of psychological or emotional harm is not an exact science. All we can expect is that, given the expert’s experience, there is a reasonable prospect for significant emotional harm to the child by removal from a home.” (Navajo Nation v. Arizona Dept. of Economic Sec. (Ariz.Ct.App. 2012) 284 P.3d 29, 38 (Navajo Nation), italics added.)

Based on the cases discussed above, we conclude that the court incorrectly required the P.s to show a certainty that Alexandria would suffer harm if the court followed the placement preferences listed in § 1915(b). Instead, we hold that a court may find good cause when a party shows by clear and convincing evidence that there is a significant risk that a child will be suffer serious harm as a result of a change in placement (See Footnote 15). (See, e.g., Fresno County, supra, 122 Cal.App.4th at p. 640.)

Footnote 15: In its decision, the court emphasizes the lack of expert testimony to support application of the good cause exception. Although expert testimony is needed to establish that a child has “extraordinary physical or emotional needs” as described in the Guidelines (Guidelines, supra, 44 Fed. Reg. at p. 67594), courts have discretion to base their good cause determinations on factors not listed in the Guidelines. (Fresno County, supra, 122 Cal.App.4th at pp. 642-643.) Accordingly, evidence supporting a good cause finding need not be limited to expert testimony. (Ibid.)


2. Bonding with foster family

The court erroneously relied on Desiree F., supra, 83 Cal.App.4th at p. 476 and Halloway, supra, 732 P.2d 962 to conclude that “while the bonding with the [P.s] is significant to this court, it does not supersede the placement preference under the ICWA.” It is impossible to determine from this language whether the court considered the bond between Alexandria and the P.s as a factor, or felt compelled by Desiree F. to ignore the bond in determining good cause. To the extent the court relied on Desiree F. to exclude the bond as a factor in the good cause determination, it did so erroneously, because the facts of our case do not warrant such an exclusion. In Desiree F., the social services agency was responsible for the delay in notifying the tribe of the proceedings, and the appellate court clarified that on remand, the trial court could not consider factors flowing from the agency’s “flagrant violation” of the ICWA, including any bond the minor developed with the current foster family. (Desiree F., supra, at p. 476.) In the present case, the Department acted promptly to notify the tribe, and the social worker was in communication with the tribe even before Alexandria was placed with the P.s. Thus, no ICWA violation precludes the court from considering the bond that Alexandria has with her foster family.

The social workers and therapists who testified at trial all agreed that Alexandria had a strong bond and a healthy attachment to the P.s. Testimony varied on nature of the trauma Alexandria would suffer upon the breaking of her bond with the P.s as her primary caregivers. Genevieve Marquez and Jennifer Lingenfelter, the therapist and supervisor at United American Indian Involvement, acknowledged that being removed from the P.s would cause some trauma to Alexandria, but that she was resilient and would overcome any trauma, particularly if she was able to maintain continued contact with the P.s and received therapeutic support after placement with the R.s. The Department social worker, Roberta Javier, acknowledged that the transition would be difficult for Alexandria, but that because she has a healthy attachment currently, and because she knows the R.s as family, she would be able to renegotiate a new bond that would be just as healthy. Lauren Axline, the social worker for the foster family agency, had the strongest views of the negative impact on Alexandria. It was Axline’s belief that Alexandria would experience removal as the death of a parent or family “because she is being taken away from everything that is familiar to her, everything that she’s known to be stability.” Axline also felt that continued contact and therapeutic support would not lessen the trauma suffered by Alexandria.

In fact the bond between Alexandria and her caretakers and the trauma that Alexandria may suffer if that bond is broken are essential components of what the court should consider when determining whether good cause exists to depart from the ICWA’s placement preferences. In addition, Halloway does not support excluding the bond from a good cause consideration under section 1915, as it involved a different section of the ICWA concerning tribal court jurisdiction, and good cause for a court to decline to transfer a dependency case to tribal court. (Halloway, supra, 732 P.2d at pp. 971-972.)

3. Best interests

The court also committed legal error by failing to consider Alexandria’s best interests as part of its good cause determination. The court’s written statement of decision does not reveal whether the court considered Alexandria’s best interests as one of the key factors in determining whether there is good cause to depart from the ICWA’s placement preferences. “The ICWA presumes it is in the best interests of the child to retain tribal ties and cultural heritage and in the interest of the tribe to preserve its future generations, a most important resource. (In re Crystal K. (1990) 226 Cal.App.3d 655, 661.)” (Desiree F., supra, 83 Cal.App.4th at p. 469.) But the presumption that following the placement preferences is in a child’s best interest is a starting point, not the end of the inquiry into a child’s best interests. As an Arizona appellate court recently explained, courts “should start with the presumption that ICWA preferences are in the child’s best interest and then balance that presumption against other relevant factors to determine whether placement outside ICWA preferences is in the child’s best interest.” (Navajo Nation, supra, 284 P.3d at p. 35.)

“ ‘Good cause’ often includes considerations affecting the best interests of the child, such as whether the child has had any significant contact with the tribe . . . or the extent of the child’s bonding with a prospective adoptive family. [Citations.].” (Crystal R., supra, 59 Cal.App.4th 703, 720, fn. omitted.) Although we are unaware of any published California case holding that a court must consider a child’s best interests when determining good cause, such an approach is consistent with the law in many other states and with California’s emphasis on best interests in dependency proceedings. (See, e.g., In re Lauren R. (2007) 148 Cal.App.4th 841, 855 [“the fundamental duty of the court is to assure the best interests of the child, whose bond with a foster parent may require that placement with a relative be rejected”]; Tununak, supra, 303 P.3d at pp. 451-452 [good cause depends on many factors, including the child’s best interests]; In Interest of A.E. (Iowa 1997) 572 N.W.2d 579, 585 [good cause depends on a fact determinative analysis consisting of many factors, including the best interests of the child]; In re Interest of Bird Head (Neb. 1983) 331 N.W.2d 785, 791 [“(ICWA) does not change the cardinal rule that the best interests of the child are paramount, although it may alter its focus.”]; but see S.E.G., supra, 521 N.W.2d at pp. 362-363 [holding that the good cause exception does not include the best interests of the child].) Based on the foregoing, we conclude the court erred in failing to consider whether, in light of the presumption that adherence to the placement preferences would usually be in a minor’s best interests, Alexandria’s best interests supported a finding of good cause.


C. The Dependency Court’s Erroneous Interpretation of the Good Cause Exception was Prejudicial

Based on the evidence presented to the court at the good cause hearing, we conclude that the court’s erroneous application of the good cause exception was prejudicial. (See In re Abram L. (2013) 219 Cal.App.4th 452, 463 [finding prejudicial error based on reasonable probability that a result more favorable to the appealing party would have been reached in the absence of error].) In this case, it is reasonably probable that the court’s decision would have been different had it applied the correct good cause standard, considering risk of harm rather than requiring the P.s to show a certainty of harm, and considering Alexandria’s best interests, including the strength and longevity of her bond to the P.s and the trauma she may suffer if that bond is broken.

A full year has passed since the court began its good cause hearing in July 2013, and circumstances may have changed in the interim. For example, Alexandria may have had additional opportunities to bond more strongly with the R.s, reducing the risk of detriment or trauma. Alternatively, her bond with the P.s may have become even more primary and strong. Because we reverse and remand, we emphasize that in determining whether good cause exists to depart from the placement preferences identified in section 1915(a), the court may consider facts and circumstances that have arisen since the filing of this appeal. (See, e.g., In re B.C. (2011) 192 Cal.App.4th 129, 150-151 [reversing and remanding with clarification that in determining child’s best interests, the court may consider events arising since the filing of the appeal].)

We recognize that a final decision regarding Alexandria’s adoptive placement will be further delayed as a result of our determination of the merits of this appeal. That delay is warranted by the need to insure that the correct legal standard is utilized in deciding whether good cause has been shown that it is in the best interest of Alexandria to depart from the ICWA’s placement preferences.

DISPOSITION

The order transferring custody of the minor to the R.s is reversed. The cause is remanded to the dependency court with directions to determine if good cause exists to deviate from the ICWA’s adoptive placement preferences in accordance with this opinion.


KRIEGLER, J.

We concur:


TURNER, P.J.


MOSK, J.


 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
29. Im not sure what good posting 10 pages of quotes is going to do
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:11 PM
Mar 2016

It just makes the page harder to read for everybody else.

And I doubt many will read it. It they wanted to read it, a link would suffice.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
31. There is NO direct link to the opinion
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:31 PM
Mar 2016

The link I did cite, goes to a page where you then have to click on a PDF or DOC page to come up with the opinion. If it had been a direct link I would have done so (and I did so if you want to go hunt for the document).

I posted the while opinion for it goes into both the FACTS of the case AND the Law. The Law has to follow the facts of the case and in this situation the facts drive the law, i.e. the best interest of the child is the LAW but so is returning First Nation children to their tribe. The only time the later is NOT required is if there is Clear and Convincing evidence of harm to the child. The trial judge did NOT quite do that analysis and that is why it was remanded to her in 2014. The problem was in 2015 she just repeated what she had done in 2013 and the Court of Appeals found that unacceptable and told her to do it right AND within 30 days. This we have the most recent situation in this case for the Trial judge clearly pointed out there was no clear and convincing evidence that the child will be harmed by the transferred so the transferred was order and upheld by the court of appeals.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
59. One question: de facto parents - Utah - are they Mormons?
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:49 PM
Mar 2016

I am sorry but I have heard the first hand stories of Natives who had been taken from their homes one way or another and placed in Mormon homes to be made "whiter than snow".

Mormon's have not changed their religion and unfortunately Native Americans are a central part of what they teach. This makes me suspicious.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
66. The religion of the parents are NOT stated in the Court Opinion
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:33 PM
Mar 2016

Last edited Fri Mar 25, 2016, 08:50 AM - Edit history (2)

But given we are dealing with the Choctaw tribe, I doubt it. The Mormons have a bad history with Native Americans most based on the book of Mormon which tells of an ancient group of whites living in North America that were wiped out by Native Americas. After they had been wiped out the book of Mormon had been saved and later found by the founder of the Mormons.

Do to the above being part of the religion, you have tensions between Native Americans and the Mormons. It shows up in weird ways. For example, several years ago what looked like a white man was found but he had died hundreds of years before Columbus. Native Americans wanted him buried as a Native America, Mormons wanted the body to show that the book of Mormon has some truth to it. It was some comments on the body, then the topic died away.

This conflict has prevented some research on Clovis Points. When Native American DNA is studies, it is clearly Native Americans are from Asia, but Clovis points appear to be derived from spear points common in Europe at the time of the settlement of North America by Native Americans not Asia. Travel across the Atlantic was possible, and even easier during the retreat of the Glaciers as various points (Such as the Grand banks off Newfoundland) would have been dry land at that time period. We have reports of Eskimos in Kayaks being seen off Scotland during the Little Ice Age (and European Fishing boats from the Middle Ages have been found in New England).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clovis_point

My point is is possible for Europeans to have reached North American via the Atlantic at the same time Native Americans traveled from Asia. IT would have been very small parties, for the boats of the time period were quite small. Those small groups of Europeans would have brought with them the ancestor of the Clovis Point and traded them with Native Americas (Trade and exchange of ideas were common among "primitive" people). Thus the Clovis point may have come from Europe and brought by Europeans.

This does NOT prove the Book of Mormon has any basis in fact, all it shows they were contacts between North America and Europe for thousands of years before Columbus.

On the other hand some Mormons take that evidence as proof as to the book of Mormon. In response many Native Americans oppose any research of such issues given the Book of Mormon's attitude to Native Americans. It is a constant conflict with the Mormons getting they side out for they have the money to spend to get their side out. Native Americans have much less money so all we hear is them using the authority they have under various laws to recover Native American Dead and bury them (and most reports are attack on such burials, again mostly from Mormons).

Thus you have a conflict between the Mormons and Native Americans. Thus my position I suspect the family is NOT Mormon. I could be WRONG and the family is Mormon but as a general rule, given the conflict between the Mormons and Native Americans I doubt it.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
68. I'm very aware of what the Mormons are. The tribe here
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:47 PM
Mar 2016

used to send them to me as soon as they started knocking on doors because I knew how to argue with them. And when they decided to leave because I was a hopeless cause I would direct them to houses that I knew everyone would be drunk or passed out.

I hope you are right and this is not just business as usual for the Mormons.

mopinko

(69,990 posts)
23. a lot of people foster in hopes of adopting. but
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:38 PM
Mar 2016

this kind of crap seems almost as bad to me as the ones who treat foster kids like slaves.
i think the law should take an extremely dim view of foster parents latching on to someone else's child. the research is pretty clear that taking kids away from family, however imperfect they may be, is very damaging for the kids and the family.

f these people.

RobinA

(9,886 posts)
49. I Could Not Care Less
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:23 AM
Mar 2016

about the adoption industry. I've seen what happens to children who get caught up in conflicting ideologies. Nothing good.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
60. The factors that must be considered is age of placement and
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:53 PM
Mar 2016

bonding - who does the child see as his/her parents? One of they younger members of my neighborhood was in foster care for years and then placed back with his mother. She was a good mother but Danny always felt different. Never did bond with his real mother.

turbinetree

(24,683 posts)
26. As a Cherokee..........................
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:51 PM
Mar 2016

This is who must decide.....................................no matter if its 1/64th blood or 100% blood, it is the tribes business

http://www.choctawnation.com/government/

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
30. Read the opinion of the Court, I posted above, it is ONE factor among many
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:24 PM
Mar 2016

The Court ruled that since the FATHER of the Child was an enrolled member of the Choctaw Nation, the Child was also a member of that tribe. Under Federal Law such a child should be placed with the nearest relative of her tribe, NOT held out for adoption to the general public.

The California Court of Appeals in its published opinion (where the last name of the child and family are deleted) clearly pointed out that if the trial judge, by clear and convincing evidence, found that the child would be HARMED by a transfer in custody, then the Child can REMAIN where it was. On the other hand, if NO such evidence is produced then the Child MUST be return to its nearest relatives by Federal Law.

Please note the Father's relatives have wanted the child return to them since 2011. They have interacted with the child since that date. The relatives and the tribe did agree to placement with the Pages (Referred to as "P" in the opinion) but only as long as the plan was to return the child to the child's father, but clearly stated if the Father of the Child did not get the Child then the Father's relatives should get the child (The relatives has contact with an older daughter of the Father whose mother was a different woman then this child's mother).

Thus everyone is thinking in term of the Child's best interest, but that best interest is to be placed with a near relative if possible, and in this case a member of her father's tribe. The proposed adoptive family of the tribe have continued to have contact with the child since 2011 and the child has gone to visit them several times since 2011.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
38. The child's welfare is best served by being with her blood relatives and the Choctaw Nation. (eom)
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:02 AM
Mar 2016

RobinA

(9,886 posts)
50. Proof?
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:25 AM
Mar 2016

This is an ideology that has nothing to do with this particular child. Saying that a child, any child, is, on its face, better off with blood relatives is just bunk.

shrike

(3,817 posts)
64. I'd have to agree with this.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:21 PM
Mar 2016

Not every child should be adopted, but not every child should be taken from their bio-family, either. It should be decided on a case by case basis. As for this situation, not enough info: it might have been extremely messy all around. Where I live the bio-family is usually first in line. I don't know enough about this situation to render an opinion on it specifically.

RobinA

(9,886 posts)
69. When I Was In This Biz
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 08:34 AM
Mar 2016

the family was the first in line as well. For better or for worse. Sometimes it made total sense. Other times it was only marginally better than the family the child came from and pretty much guaranteed a poor outcome. Sometimes it was no better. Children from families dysfunctional enough to involve the authorities bear a heavy burden no matter what. No options are good, some are just less bad. Maybe.

My experience has put me in favor of the family first, but that option should carry only if they would be a good option even if they weren't the family. Blood relatives are no more likely to be good parents than complete strangers.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
74. How do you know that?
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 09:22 PM
Mar 2016

Do the other blood relatives with non- Choctaw blood count? I say that as someone who is 1/8 Blackfoot. What matters is the PERSON raising the child. Not the ethnicity of the child.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
75. Actually, it isn't just about the person raising the child. It is also about the siblings
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 09:29 PM
Mar 2016

she is now being raised along side of.

Lexi is now being raised in the same house as her sister, with another sister down the street. And she will have full access to all her blood relatives. That includes her natural mom and dad, even if they cannot raise her.

The foster parents knew they were supposed to be providing her a home while a reunion with her extended family was being worked towards. In fact, they have maintained contact with her while she was being fostered.

I seriously doubt that this set of foster parents, who have morphed into prospective adoptive parents, would ever have allowed an open adoption. It seems like they wanted to sever her genetic ties and erase her family of origin from her life.

turbinetree

(24,683 posts)
51. Let me put it this way.............................
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:34 AM
Mar 2016

in the Indigenous peoples world we have seen what has happened to our culture, let me give you some prime example(s)

http://www.city-data.com/poverty/poverty-Cherokee-Oklahoma.html

http://www.re-member.org/pine-ridge-reservation.aspx

http://nativevillage.org/Messages%20from%20the%20People/the%20arrogance%20of%20ignorance.htm

http://www.city-data.com/poverty/poverty-Choctaw-Oklahoma.html

http://www.city-data.com/poverty/poverty-Apache-Junction-Arizona.html

I just gave you five web sites on what it is like to live in a system, that has outright hypocrisy on there hands

Of a culture that since it landed on these shores thinks, they know what is best for the Indigenous People

A culture that use to take children from parents and force them to be "re-trained" and when they came back they were doing the same thing the culture (European and other majority cultures were doing to there children), beating there children, while in the Indigenous heritage we never struck our children, we never showed them violence as a an example, we were telling them it was wrong.

So this issue, needs to placed squarely on a society, that lied, cheated, and killed a people, that has outright neglect on a people they conquored and then left at the way side.

This neglect says everything about this country----------------everything, this idea of knowing what is best, is still be played out with this concept of Manifest Destiny from the past and the Doctrine of Discovery from the past into the present day.

RobinA

(9,886 posts)
58. All Of Which
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:43 PM
Mar 2016

is irrelevant to what is best for this child. My issue here is that ideology is trumping what a human baby needs to have the best chance of developing into a healthy adult. Indigenous kids have the same needs as any other human.

JI7

(89,239 posts)
62. she is going to be raised with her 2 sisters. if it's so bad there they need to remove the sisters
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:06 PM
Mar 2016

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