Hillary Clinton wins Arizona!
Source: CNN
Hillary Clinton wins Arizona
No link yet.
Hill Yes!
salinsky
(1,065 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)And not a peep from Clinton and Trumps network, CNN. CNN and Wall St are trying to manufacture consent and not cover Bernie. They wanted the twins Clinton and Bush but the umbilical cord was cut prematurely so they want Clinton and Trump. It's not close to over. Super delegates don't count yet no matter how much they deceive us and write them in the totals. It's becoming very transparent to the people.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,222 posts)And as for the popular vote, Hillary blew him out of the water.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)And as many voters were turned away in AZ than Hillary early mail in. Yes you won. But dishonestly. Enjoy it while you can.
Stuckinthebush
(10,836 posts)When Hillary wins it is because of fraud, trickery, or stupid voters.
Got it. I'm sure it helps to think like that.
Baobab
(4,667 posts)Basically, Arizona was much closer than people would think from watching the news. At 2:45 Am on the 23rd....
Read it...
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)The news is filled with pissed off people who weren't able to vote. Your hypocrisy is deafening. When republicans do this you're up in arms. When it's Hillary you excuse it. Pathetic. You call yourself a Democrat I assume. Shouldn't we be acting like it? This isn't an accusation. Thousands were disenfranchised. Even mainstream news is covering it. Bernie won more dekagates last night anyway overall!
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Arizona · 75 delegates
99% reporting · Clinton won and has 44 delegates, Sanders has 30
Idaho · 23 delegates
100% reporting · Sanders won and has 17 delegates, Clinton has 5
Utah · 33 delegates
99% reporting · Sanders won and has 24 delegates, Clinton has 5
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)That's who mailed in. Good luck having them help in November.
OwlinAZ
(410 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)As of now Bernie won more delegates last night. 72-62 and still counting.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,222 posts)http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/march-22-primaries-arizona-utah-presidential-election-2016/
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/democrats/
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Arizona · 75 delegates
99% reporting · Clinton won and has 44 delegates, Sanders has 30
Idaho · 23 delegates
100% reporting · Sanders won and has 17 delegates, Clinton has 5
Utah · 33 delegates
99% reporting · Sanders won and has 24 delegates, Clinton has 5
Tarheel_Dem
(31,222 posts)at bay. Winning ten more delegates didn't even dent her lead, and when you throw in the supers, it's a bloodbath.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)The supers will find themselves in a GOP-style situation if they try to reverse a Bernie win from the voters. They would have no case to make at all, because Bernie consistently and dramatically outperforms HIllary against ALL GOP potential nominees.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,222 posts)The supers have nothing to fear. NOTHING AT ALL. The point was made by Steve Kornacki last night that Hillary has won more actual votes than anyone competing this cycle. So, if you're basing your assumptions on the popular vote, then BS is still hosed. Like I said, the supers have nothing to fear from BS, or his accolytes.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)And now that he is closing in incredibly rapidly, he will continue to stick to his consistent positions on justice.
However, voters who don't want Donald Dump in the White House do need to select based on who is more likely to perform well in the general. And those who don't want to be starting every phone call or e-mail with "Heil Donald!" should pay some attention to actual numbers.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,222 posts)don't much matter.
Looked at in isolation, Mr. Sanders had a good night. He won two states; she carried one. But in the end, Mr. Sanders came away with six more pledged delegates on the night than his rival.
That is not enough to significantly dent Mrs. Clintons lead and reach a goal the Sanders campaign has set for itself: persuading superdelegates that he is surging and they should abandon Mrs. Clinton.
Mr. Sanders could score several victories in Western states and beyond. But because delegates are awarded proportionately, narrowing Mrs. Clintons delegate lead will require him to notch landslidesnot merely winsto garner big shares of available delegates.
An examination of the 25 contests stretching from now until mid-June shows opportunities for Mrs. Clinton to hold her lead or even build on it. As a presidential candidate in 2008, she faced then-Sen. Barack Obama in each of those states. She won 11 contests; Mr. Obama won 14.
But her 11 victories came in states and one territory, Puerto Rico, that in the 2016 primaries account for a whopping 1,342 delegates. By contrast, the 14 contests she lost in her last campaign offer only 547 delegates this year.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/110780849#post3
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)But it's numerically incorrect (he won 17 more delegates, not 6) and misleading overall. As usual. When they lead with a lie, I can't put much stock in the slanted opinion that follows.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,222 posts)salinsky
(1,065 posts)onehandle
(51,122 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Guess he'll have to hit up his 27-dollar donors once again.
Bleacher Creature
(11,252 posts)Bill Clinton shook someone's hand.
I wonder what tonight's excuse will be?
iandhr
(6,852 posts)But if Sanders wins Utah and Idaho they will explain how those states do matter even though they are red states
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)it switches Blue . Idaho might do the same since they are also high Mormon's. So with Donald in play I consider those swing states right now.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,222 posts)they didn't care when it really did happen in Flint & surrounding areas. Closed primaries are just that. I'm sorry if Independents showed up, clogged up the lines, and didn't bother to check their registration prior to showing up. Oh well..........
Fla Dem
(23,586 posts)voters. Doesn't speak well for someone who wants to be Commander-in-Chief. Either that or
as I have stated before, his "millineals" like the big event rallies, but not the hard work of actually finding out how they qualify to vote.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,222 posts)walk their kids through the process of mounting their "revolution". They don't even know the basics, because "it's hard". I've said it before, it's quite an event when you're in an arena with thousands of screaming peers, but some things require individual effort, and that's where they let their candidate down.
tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)William769
(55,144 posts)Beacool
(30,247 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)And yes, a big win.
still_one
(92,061 posts)tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)Thanks but you give me too much credit. Just trying to be a good loser.
Coolest Ranger
(2,034 posts)were like you. I respect you
Hekate
(90,556 posts)tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)Yay voting!
Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)Big yawn
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)It's a big deal the man gets any votes at all. He's a scary, unknown, Jewish, old, radical, Socialist for heaven's sake. But really, it is a big deal and there a lot of reasons why. I hope you can put aside your enthusiasm for your candidate for just a second a try to see the underlying reasons for his surprising success. It really isn't about Bernie Bros or Hillary Haters although there's an ass in every crowd.
Hekate
(90,556 posts)JURY: Poster has cute animated gif of Calvin in his pjs yawning.
Beacool
(30,247 posts)By a wide margin at that.
sheshe2
(83,654 posts)Gregorian
(23,867 posts)pnwmom
(108,955 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)For all 3 states as of now.
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)based on demographic predictions.
dchill
(38,441 posts)At 1:49 am.
Pakhet
(520 posts)2 hours from the door of my polling place. People were disbelieving and PISSED!
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)Not cool...
William769
(55,144 posts)Timing is everything. He should wait until he wins something or better yet when he loses to concede graciously.
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)since there's mass confusion on the voter counts. alot of angry people in AZ tonight. when there is voter disenfranchisement, the establishment usually wins
William769
(55,144 posts)Why in the hell is he even running?
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)It never should have gotten this far but somehow she keeps dropping the ball , she's nowhere near close to winning. The onus is not on him but her. If she does this bad in the Primary Caucus season it'll just get worse from here. Thanks for swearing
William769
(55,144 posts)Have a nice day.
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)go caucuses !!!! always hated primaries. they don't work
Hekate
(90,556 posts).....or so it would seem.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,222 posts)YYYYYYYYYUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEE!!!!!
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LonePirate
(13,408 posts)Sec Clinton won. Big. Period.
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)can't say
that and if he lost so bad why is he currently in theory ahead 40,000 votes of Ted Cruz. right now Hillary is actually ahead of Donald (shock) but Bernie is ahead of Ted. Think we have a swing state. I'm trying to calm myself down. But some people keep trying to pull that provoke button Wish they'd stop that. You'll never win anyone back doing that.
LonePirate
(13,408 posts)PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)donalds down 20,000 votes from what the 2 % is reporting
197,000 vs 172,000 (round)
the results shown are way out of date
LonePirate
(13,408 posts)PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)take your pick
but she's not trouncing him. Donalds trouncing Ted Still she can't really close things with the delegate math the way it is. and this is at 9 % 40 to 16 delegates. not 50 to 2 delegates he's got 16 already.. This is why Bernie is still in the race. An electorate that is split right down the middle. Republicans aren't split down the middle they already picked him. True the establishment is threatening to do harm but I don't think they will...
LonePirate
(13,408 posts)AZ is winner take all for the Repubs with regard to delegates. Dems use the same proportional system they have used in every state thus far, hence the differences in the percentages of delegates won.
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)trounce to me is over 100,000 albeit I took you for a Bernie supporter. My bad.
Hekate
(90,556 posts)Califonz
(465 posts)PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)Donald is trouncing Ted. Hillary isn't exactly trouncing Bernie. well not yet since it's now 9 % always gotta look on the bright side. everyone wants doom and gloom. (both sides. ) I can't think like that.
Pathwalker
(6,598 posts)There wasn't enough ballots in ANY Democratic areas, so the Democratic volunteers just made copies, rather than complaining. MANY voters across Michigan, especially in FLINT, Detroit and Lansing. Do You include Michigan in your complaint about disenfranchisement? Or, were we just a "fluke"?
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)think your an assumer. carry on
Pathwalker
(6,598 posts)Republican's malignant incompetence. They can't even run an election because they're too busy poisoning the children in this once great state.
atty
(5 posts)....But everywhere else suggests that only the pre-ballots have been reported, and in fact only 2% of precincts have been reported the results from today.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2016/mar/22/arizona-idaho-utah-election-results-primaries-caucuses-live
http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/arizona
How can this be a win so soon? The math doesn't add up... Saying that most precincts have reported (as cnn and msnbc are doing), does not make sense in light of the fact that less than 300,000 votes are included in that massive number of precincts.
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)there can be a result this soon.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)How do you know that? Do you know the exact number of independents that registered as Democrat before the deadline that were turned away as mysteriously still listed as independent? Legal action is already happening they said.
Loki
(3,825 posts)But better have flame retardant suits on the blow back is coming. What happened, too much spring break? Anyone care to join me in a drink?
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)R B Garr
(16,950 posts)Just an awesome percentage margin, too.
Go Hillary!
RandySF
(58,479 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Legends303
(481 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Because, you know, "demographics."
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)scottie55
(1,400 posts)To vote unless you are old, stable, and could mail in your ballot.
This stinks beyond stink.
The state party, part of the Clinton Machine I am sure caused this cluster-f obviously.
Not only is Wall Street, and their puppets screwing us, our party is too.
Like no one notices.....
scottie55
(1,400 posts)Too many new voters see the lines and say screw it.
I am sure making it hard to vote is fine with the HRC camp though.
Win at any cost they say!
LonePirate
(13,408 posts)Yes, the Republicans in charge of the voting process in Maricopa County screwed up royally but voters did have other options to vote at their convenience.
All Democrats should be pushing everyone to vote early when possible in order to avoid the lines and waits on election days.
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)Mail in ballots are a great way to vote and everyone in Arizona can and should do it.
Hekate
(90,556 posts)....and snap, "Learn, Grasshopper!"
I do not understand how they can continue to be so ignorant about how the process works! Okay okay when they started out a yuuuuge number of them were complete political neophytes -- but that was 10 freaking months ago! I don't get it!
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)I'm on the permanent early voting list and received my Dem ballot over 2 weeks ago.
The state (run by Republicans, btw) chose to consolidate the number of polling places based on the number of people who voted in past couple of presidential primaries. The parties have strongly encouraged people to sign up for early mail-in ballots and many do.
One problem with the long lines today was that even though the state has been publicizing the fact that ONLY registered Dems, Repubs and Greens had ballots for this primary, MANY independents showed up trying to vote.
Kittycat
(10,493 posts)Pakhet
(520 posts)Of a sudden. Like my sons
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)Some callers into a local (Phoenix) radio station were saying that when they updated their driver's license it changed them to "no party", even though they had been registered Democrats or Republicans previously. I also heard the county recorders from Coconino county and Cochise county on the radio saying that the #1 problem that they had were Independents trying to vote and didn't understand the closed election. The Cochise county recorder said that many people have been watching the national news and seeing where in some states you can sign up and register on the day of the election, which is something that isn't done here.
It sounds like there is some data processing problem that has to be worked out before the AZ primaries in August and the general in Nov.
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)and you can get a mailed-in ballot -- no need to be old or disabled or have any other reason.
The cluster-f was caused by Bernie people who apparently didn't know how to get their people to do mail-in ballots.
sweetloukillbot
(10,972 posts)riversedge
(70,077 posts)scottie55
(1,400 posts)Screw you youngsters!
Us old folks all mail in our ballots!
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)scottie55
(1,400 posts)I am no longer a Democrat, and will never call myself a Democrat ever again.
Closing 70% of the polling places by the "state party" to insure an easy mail in victory for Hillary.
I will not be a part of a party that thinks fairness is such a joke.
Today I am an independent.
Who cares if a Hillary Nomination destroys "the" party.
Winning is everything right?
I am beyond pissed.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)"Math says Bern is Hoodooed out of another election"
only Bern voters not allowed to vote!
geeez
Legends303
(481 posts)of Bernie only appealing to people's emotion while Hilary appeals to people's political instincts
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)Is it too hard for them to fill out a paper ballot and put on a stamp?
I think it's great that Arizona makes it so easy for everyone to vote by mail. The only thing better would be if they did it like Washington and Oregon -- all regular elections conducted by mail. No one here goes to the polls anymore, and we use all paper ballots. Afterwards, we can go online and make sure our ballot has been counted.
Our caucus system, OTOH, sucks.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)pnwmom
(108,955 posts)they have to fill out a form asking for one. But most people do it, and that's why they had vote predictions so soon -- all those votes had already been counted.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Have way over a hundred thousand Bernie supporters in voting lines turned away. In Oregon it's all mail voting so Clinton can't pull any tricks. Bernie is predicted to decimate her here.
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)So is WA.
But all of these 8 states between now and NY, put together, don't have enough delegates to close the gap between Hillary and Bernie -- even if Bernie got every single delegate (which he obviously didn't, since he lost Arizona.)
And then comes NY, which reelected Hillary Senator by a huge margin and has a high number of African American voters. And which requires that voters be registered Democrats. NY isn't Bernie territory, no matter how much he might wish it so.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Those areas will both go to Bernie. This isn't Iowa.
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)Seattle and Portland are demographically similar to places where he has been strong. In particular, there are low numbers of African American voters in both cities (less than 8% in Seattle). Plus WA has caucuses in which Independents can participate, so he's likely to have many fervent supporters here.
Caucuses are a very anti-Democratic process, however. They exclude anyone who has a job on Saturday or just doesn't have the time to spend several hours voting. They exclude college students who are out of state, too.
But Bernie will probably do very well here. I fully expect that.
ebayfool
(3,411 posts)I'd lay odds that Clinton has voters stuck in those long ass lines too.
I totally love the idea of mail-in if, as you say - afterwards, we can go online and make sure our ballot has been counted.
We have mail-in (absentee) voting, but a shady Republican registrar. I can just picture her tossing Democrat ballots in a shredder! We mail it in and have no idea what happens to it after it hits the mailbox.
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)to keep their numbers down.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)The Republican led government of Maricopa County did that. The state party has no power to close precincts. If you're gonna be outraged, at least get the facts straight.
Hekate
(90,556 posts)I couldn't really tell.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,222 posts)"bernt" in AZ. Access to voting is not a party function, that's left to the state legislature.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)William769
(55,144 posts)Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)Hekate
(90,556 posts)I think I'll vote for this one.
Yes, I watched Bernie. It was a tough loss, but I kind of tuned out when all I heard was "corrupt campaign finance system." Um, a few other things are going on, so I hope he addresses them.
William769
(55,144 posts)pnwmom
(108,955 posts)Hekate
(90,556 posts)Has totally pivoted to the GE. She has nothing bad to say about Bernie, and why would she? She's running against Donald Drumpf and Ted Cruzmissile, and they are ferocious and scary and need to be put out of business.
I think she can do this. Boyoboyoboy what a contrast.
riversedge
(70,077 posts)davidthegnome
(2,983 posts)A strong showing - and a solid victory for you. Well done.
riversedge
(70,077 posts)pnwmom
(108,955 posts)So you will probably have your own reason to celebrate tonight.
davidthegnome
(2,983 posts)and for the first time, really let myself listen to what she was saying without my own internal distrust and sarcasm playing in the background. I started to get interested before CNN went to commercial, in the middle of what I thought was a pretty great speech.
My mind may change about Clinton, if it does - it will be because of the honest and decent people who support her. You have all given me cause to question many things, most of all, my own certainty about her lack of authenticity. You know... maybe she can do it, maybe she will do what she says she's going to do. Her policies aren't bad, they might not be quite as strong as I want... but, the more I learn about her, the more I think that maybe she can get things done.
Don't get me wrong, I'm far from jumping ship, I still think Sanders is what we need, I think his message is honest - and righteous, and represents the needs of millions of people like me. Still, I'm beginning to wonder if Clinton is perhaps, not as bad as I had thought... which, for me, is progress.
Who ever gets the nomination will get my vote. Maybe though, in the months to come, I won't be quite as reluctant or hesitant to vote for Clinton.
Those of you who have acted with decency and graciousness have my heartfelt gratitude and respect. It's not easy here during the primaries - and there's a lot of ugly stuff to go around... but, we are all in this together. Who ever our next President is, let's keep the progressive, positive, hopeful messages going.
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)and none of us are at each other's throats. It's too bad it can't be that way on DU.
My greatest fear is that all the hard feelings could keep us from joining together in the general, because I firmly believe either Hillary or Bernie is infinitely preferable to any of the possible contenders on the other side.
So your words give me some hope. Thanks for another positive, thoughtful post.
gwheezie
(3,580 posts)We gang up on the lone trump supporter.
Fortunately, we don't have any of those. And none of them are on my FB feed either. It's hard enough just seeing them on TV.
Hekate
(90,556 posts)davidthegnome
(2,983 posts)Often at DU I can point to any number of uplifting, heartfelt posts, I probably could now too - but I get what you mean. These primaries have been... especially ugly. We fought a lot back in 08, but not like now. For my part... it's not personal, my arguments with Clinton supporters - it's a matter of policy and principle. Plenty of people in my family like Clinton, some voted for her in our primary.
Before things really heated up here I didn't really despise Clinton. I was mildly wary of her because of various things I had heard and read about her corporate ties - and other things but I still remembered her as one of those people who was trying to champion healthcare reform back in the 90s. I think perhaps, in my enthusiastic support for Sanders, I have not questioned, or criticized, as strongly as I might have, some of the things being said about Clinton.
As another poster suggested to me earlier... I think we should support both of our candidates. Honestly, I'm tired of fighting with people I like and respect anyhow. Whatever our differences in politics or principle and so on... we are on the same side. I think I have been unfair to Clinton and to her supporters - I'm going to try to do better, all of us here deserve better, from, well, all of us here.
Some of it has just gotten so personal and ugly that it was both scary and sad at the same time. I hope we can all calm down a bit, and maybe remember that we're all dealing with other decent people who have feelings as genuine as our own.
In any event, we will all be cheering together when a democrat wins the 2016 Presidential election and we take back the Senate!
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)This season has been so much worse. As some of us have noted before, Bernie has conducted a serious, important, issues-based campaign. But some of his supporters have made this very personal, and very negative.
I was actually on the fence when all this began, but I kept hunting down information in response to obviously unfair posts about Hillary, and the more I defended her, the more I found myself on her side. So all the nastiness backfired.
I think she's been attacked unfairly since the day she said, as First Lady, that she wanted to do more than bake cookies. But this current cycle surpasses every other one -- and the worst part is that the attacks are coming from other Dems.
I am also heartened by the fact that it looks like we might get the Senate back. Let's hope 2016 gives the Dems a very unusual 3-terms-in-a-row win. The Rethugs will regret that they didn't approve Garland when they had a chance!
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)riversedge
(70,077 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)I dislike them both.
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,965 posts)grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,365 posts)other Bernie supporters who show class!
DrBulldog
(841 posts)pnwmom
(108,955 posts)So, yes, winning Arizona is an accomplishment.
Unless you also want to disparage wins in Utah and Idaho . . .
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Independents who registered as Democrats before the deadline were all turned away. 99% of those were voting for Bernie. More corruption. I can see 2016 being settled in the streets.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)truthisfreedom
(23,139 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)There's lifelong Democrats who have been supporting the Democratic party since the 70s who were told they weren't allowed to vote today in AZ because THEY were suddenly registered members of the GOP or listed as an Independent despite the fact their registration cards said otherwise. If you don't think that's an issue that voters were robbed of their vote, then you don't really care about the Democratic process I guess. That's your problem, but stop blaming a candidate's supporters because people who were turned away are calling malarkey.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)And no it's not a republican source.
http://usuncut.com/news/arizona-polling-disaster/
Fla Dem
(23,586 posts)all those people to determine that 99% of them were BS supporters? Many could have been HRC voters as well as Rethug voters.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Her supporters older white people. Most mailed in according to news reports.
Fla Dem
(23,586 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)It's out of the bag. Thousands were disenfranchised. Unlike other states in 2008 and 2012 this is being covered by the media due to its overwhelming obviousness.
SusanLarson
(284 posts)The Clinton motto is "Win at any cost legal or otherwise." Loved the fact that voters who changed party affiliation didn't show up on the rolls, then a helpful bomb threat shuts down the voter help line. #ClintonDirtyTricks
Hekate
(90,556 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)There are hundreds of these news stories and none from right wing sources.
http://usuncut.com/news/arizona-polling-disaster/
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Sorry. No dice.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)"Win at any cost. Us Bernie supporters are not "whiners"; we're only expecting a fair campaign, fair reporting, and a fair counting of votes. Unfortunately, Clinton and her crowd don't know how to fight fair, don't know how to run a clean campaign without character assassination, voter suppression, rigging the DNC, changing voter registrations, impeding voting by having Bilbo visit polling stations ON ELECTION DAYS, having unregistered people vote in caucuses, bribing super-delegates, and having media outlets like theyellow journalism rag DailyTrashBin smear Bernie Sanders and distort his record. Oh no, it's not whining: it is righteous anger at a corrupt system, and contempt for those either ignorant or willfully deceitful supporters of Clinton who perpetuate the system".
-Another quote from an AZ voter turned away
yellowcanine
(35,693 posts)They control the county election boards? This is astounding news. Why is it not being covered?
riversedge
(70,077 posts)Deadshot
(384 posts)Bernie won Utah!
Tarheel_Dem
(31,222 posts)Tonight's haul:
BSS = 46
HRC = 43
Which still leaves Hillary with over 300 pledged delegate advantage, and that ain't even counting the super delegates.
Deadshot
(384 posts)There's still over 1,000 delegates up for grabs.
Nice try, though.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,222 posts)301 is over 300, right? Since there are no winner take all's, no matter what BS does from here on out, Hillary still collects delegates. The only thing that can stop her is if BS wins all the remaining contests, and keeps her under 15% in every one of them. And guess what?
But thanks for playing.
Deadshot
(384 posts)Hillary should just be given her crown now.
Who needs democracy?
Tarheel_Dem
(31,222 posts)Didn't BS know how this process worked before he jumped into a contest, under the banner of a party he doesn't even belong to? The rules haven't changed since Hillary ran the last time, she's just much better at it this time around.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)gonna be 300+ delegates up. #feelthemath
Bernie isn't out of it yet.
BTW, Bernie won both Utah and Idaho last night.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)"Clinton and her gang of cutthroats have done is obvious to a blind person. I give two craps about what the Republicans are doing in Arizona right now. What I DO care about is a personally corrupt grifter and serial liar like Hillary Clinton snowing the ignorant into voting for her, thinking she is on THEIR side....while she takes $$$ from the fracking industry, Big Pharma, Big Insurance, Wall Street, the private prison lobby, and vacations at estates during the campaign that cost $50,000 per weekend. It is a JOKE. It is a reflection that we are a celebrity-driven, brainless society that is dazzled by popularity and not on substance. Which explains why the moron Trump is winning on HIS side."
-An AZ voter posted this today
Tarheel_Dem
(31,222 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)The great defender of the NSA? Defender of Clinton's ties to Bush? Excuser of drug war atrocities? It is a sad day when the same old candidate that most people don't trust has to win the way Bush did in Florida. Not surprising the state is Arizona. They called it at .8% in but no mention of Utah and Idaho till well after midnight. Damn right I'm sad for this country. Between Hillary and her buddy Trump it doesn't look good for the average citizen. Karma is real though as you shall see
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I like to pretend that people who hold an opinion different than mine are defenders of the NSA and war atrocities too.
Granted, it's an empty and petulant allegation filled less with substance and more with sour grapes and illustrates a demonstrable lack of rational thought on our part, but as long as we keep denying that and predicate our child-like behavior on the righteousness of magical thinking and faith-based karma (maybe some crystals and a lava lamp, also?), we can bathe in the light of our pretense.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Debated many times here.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,222 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)First off not a threat. And second, not directed at you. Merely saying there is karma for her campaign cheating or benefitting from republican cheating. The karma would be losing or being exposed.
Cha
(296,836 posts)All in from Apache County(Northeast corner of AZ) and HRC wins 62-32
Santa Cruz County(border Mexico) 24/24 precincts in HRC 66-32
Mohave County(Mohave County is located in the northwestern corner of the U.S. state of Arizona. As of the 2010 census, its population was 200,186. The county seat is Kingman, and the largest city is Lake Havasu City).. 61-34 early vote for HRC
Yavapai County(Yavapai County is located near the center of the U.S. state of Arizona) early vote 56-42 for HRC
http://www.democraticunderground.com/110780120#post34
So far.. Gracias William!
Cha
(296,836 posts)Cha
(296,836 posts)Gracias Arizona!
riversedge
(70,077 posts)GreydeeThos
(958 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)Arizona's voter suppression makes it impossible to ever get real results.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,321 posts)Shenanigans maybe, but she got the win, and that's all that matters. Winning is the only thing.
The record of "Real Results" also shows that Bush won Florida in 2000.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)But these voter issues are a problem. Many votes for whatever candidates were probably lost as people gave up. We need to fix these problems before November.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,321 posts)Or are they simply exploitable loopholes for the politically savvy?
HRC and DWS have no reason to try to fix things before November, before this April, or before HRC's re-election campaign in 2020.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)Voter suppression is a PROBLEM. Having 60 polling places where there was once 400 in a mostly democratic area is a PROBLEM.
Try looking at things from a general election standpoint. What we see now is going to be a huge issue in November. It is never okay for people to be denied their vote.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)How right you are.
And it's important that only the right people win.