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Hillary Clinton wins Arizona! (Original Post) William769 Mar 2016 OP
YUUUUUUUGE ... nt salinsky Mar 2016 #1
Bernie Decimated Clinton In Utah And Idaho billhicks76 Mar 2016 #124
Who cares? AZ was the big prize tonight, with more delegates than UT & ID combined, but nice try. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2016 #136
Arizona Isn't Surprising billhicks76 Mar 2016 #140
When Bernie wins, it's a revolution Stuckinthebush Mar 2016 #145
Must read article Baobab Mar 2016 #157
Bernies Wins Never Controversial billhicks76 Mar 2016 #166
Cool, so it is a revolution because actually Bernie won the night lagomorph777 Mar 2016 #178
Old White People Win billhicks76 Mar 2016 #143
You've got that right OwlinAZ Mar 2016 #186
WAIT...You're Wrong!!!!!!!!!!! billhicks76 Mar 2016 #168
You must be overjoyed! I know I was last week when Hillary unexpectedly went 5 for 5. Link? Tarheel_Dem Mar 2016 #175
HuffPost Update billhicks76 Mar 2016 #177
Oops - check your math - Bernie won more delegates last night lagomorph777 Mar 2016 #176
Where did I say he didn't? The fact remains that Clinton has a healthy enough cushion to keep him.. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2016 #180
Ummm, he's +17, not +10; please stick with the real numbers lagomorph777 Mar 2016 #181
Who cares what BS does in a fictitious matchup before the GOP has spent a dime attacking him? Tarheel_Dem Mar 2016 #182
Fair enough - Bernie never paid attention to the polls when he was down 70% lagomorph777 Mar 2016 #184
They both beat Trump in the General, BS' problem is that he won't see the general, so his numbers... Tarheel_Dem Mar 2016 #185
Thanks for the mainstream media position lagomorph777 Mar 2016 #193
Well alrighty then. See ya! n/t Tarheel_Dem Mar 2016 #196
Congratulations to Senator Sanders and his supporters on their victories last night! ... nt salinsky Mar 2016 #146
I'm beginning to believe that she has a chance in this primary. nt onehandle Mar 2016 #2
Who knew? With all the money that the Bern was berning through... Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #18
Red state. Doesn't count. Bleacher Creature Mar 2016 #3
Quite right iandhr Mar 2016 #13
in Utah if Donald gets the nom PatrynXX Mar 2016 #19
If you read downthread, sounds like they're going with "voter disenfranchisement". Of course.... Tarheel_Dem Mar 2016 #134
BS's team didn't do the necessary ground work to ensure he had qualified Fla Dem Mar 2016 #156
You wouldn't believe how many parents I've spoken with, who are Hillary supporters, who have to.... Tarheel_Dem Mar 2016 #162
Congratulations Sec Clinton and her supporters. n/t tazkcmo Mar 2016 #4
Thank you. William769 Mar 2016 #6
Thank you!!! Beacool Mar 2016 #9
Thank you. Really nice margin, too. Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #20
You're all welcome. tazkcmo Mar 2016 #25
You definitely have a lot of class. Thanks still_one Mar 2016 #31
First time for eveything! tazkcmo Mar 2016 #47
I wish more Sanders supporters Coolest Ranger Mar 2016 #89
Thank you! Hekate Mar 2016 #60
You're welcome! tazkcmo Mar 2016 #64
link Wash. state Desk Jet Mar 2016 #5
This is a huge margin! Wooooooo Hoooooooooo Firebrand Gary Mar 2016 #7
Not breaking news - she was expected to win left-of-center2012 Mar 2016 #8
Yes, but when BS wins by 2 points it's a HUGE deal!. nt Jitter65 Mar 2016 #15
It really is a big deal. tazkcmo Mar 2016 #33
+1000 C Moon Mar 2016 #104
Take a nap; you'll feel better Hekate Mar 2016 #68
Nice win. Beacool Mar 2016 #10
Yes! sheshe2 Mar 2016 #11
I thought the counting was still being conducted. Ijust 73% on CNN moments ago Gregorian Mar 2016 #12
"Just 73%"? That's plenty when the margin's this big. n/t pnwmom Mar 2016 #72
Bernie Up 72-62 Overall billhicks76 Mar 2016 #173
Yes, he is, as predicted. The next five states should also be very good for him, pnwmom Mar 2016 #174
Ahem. It's still 71%... dchill Mar 2016 #102
They called it for her while I was still Pakhet Mar 2016 #197
Bernie is raining on Hillary's parade. Jitter65 Mar 2016 #14
And that is why he is losing. William769 Mar 2016 #16
1. red state 2. not surprised PatrynXX Mar 2016 #17
He can't win a red State since you point it out. He can't win in the South As the map shows. William769 Mar 2016 #23
for some reason because she keeps mucking up PatrynXX Mar 2016 #26
Apparently you don't understand primaries. William769 Mar 2016 #29
yeah they are annoying and they turn away voters PatrynXX Mar 2016 #34
Hillary voters show up and are not confused by the long-established rules of the Party &/or State... Hekate Mar 2016 #69
Primaries don't work? They seem to be working just fine. The Democrat keeps winning them. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2016 #137
This message was self-deleted by its author PatrynXX Mar 2016 #149
Disenfranchisement is not the reason he lost by over 20 points. LonePirate Mar 2016 #32
Nope. tazkcmo Mar 2016 #35
with 2% reporting PatrynXX Mar 2016 #38
The AZ SoS office has over 27% in on its site - the official site. LonePirate Mar 2016 #42
thats not right either PatrynXX Mar 2016 #49
Pick your preferred source. All of them show Hillary ahead by over 20% regardless of the # reporting LonePirate Mar 2016 #52
whoever duh PatrynXX Mar 2016 #61
Clinton and trump are both leading by 23-24 points. If one is trouncing, so is the other. LonePirate Mar 2016 #62
Trump is trouncing Ted well over 100,000 votes Hillary is beating Bernie by under 80,000 votes PatrynXX Mar 2016 #67
83%precincts reporting. 60% to Hillary. 36% to Bernie. Check the link. nt Hekate Mar 2016 #71
Hillary would make a wonderful Republican! Look at all those red states she wins! Califonz Mar 2016 #48
Ironically PatrynXX Mar 2016 #50
Lots of that in Michigan, does that count? Pathwalker Mar 2016 #55
if you have proof yes PatrynXX Mar 2016 #58
NOT an assumer, just a voter who's damned tired of Pathwalker Mar 2016 #155
CNN & MSNBC are saying that most precincts have reported atty Mar 2016 #21
The majority of ballots were early mailed-in ballots that were already counted. That's how pnwmom Mar 2016 #74
Majority? billhicks76 Mar 2016 #95
Love this! Loki Mar 2016 #22
I'm at work, but if I could I would! Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #152
Yeah! shenmue Mar 2016 #158
Awesome! R B Garr Mar 2016 #24
It doesn't count RandySF Mar 2016 #27
Like New Hampshire, Iowa, and every state Bernie wins that has white people living in it? Scootaloo Mar 2016 #43
He didn't win Iowa Legends303 Mar 2016 #53
I know. We were still regaled with long diatribes about how it "wouldn't count anyway" Scootaloo Mar 2016 #56
Sure it does! Don't be a party pooper. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #153
Thank God The Party Closed 2/3rd Of The Polling Places And Made It Practically Impossible scottie55 Mar 2016 #28
Not One Word About How Much The Cluster F Helps Hillary On CNN scottie55 Mar 2016 #30
There was almost a month of early voting. How does that make it impossible to vote? LonePirate Mar 2016 #37
Exactly. Why was the voting process so mystifying to the Bernie people? pnwmom Mar 2016 #78
It seems to mystify the BS voters a lot. The ongoing kvetching makes me want to shake them... Hekate Mar 2016 #97
It was not impossible to vote here at all DesertRat Mar 2016 #63
It's more than that, but you may know that already Kittycat Mar 2016 #65
Many dems party affiliation changed all Pakhet Mar 2016 #198
I heard about that yesterday DesertRat Mar 2016 #199
Who can't mail in their ballot? No one. All you have to do is send in a form pnwmom Mar 2016 #77
The Party didn't do it - the Republican county Recorder did it sweetloukillbot Mar 2016 #106
Republicans are in control in AZ. Blaming Hillary is beyond the pale. riversedge Mar 2016 #141
70% Fewer Polling Places scottie55 Mar 2016 #36
Thanks Bill, ever onward. Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #39
Math says there is NO Path to Victory for Bern. Cryptoad Mar 2016 #40
And It Said It When There Was No Way The Party Would Ever Let Him Win On Day 1 scottie55 Mar 2016 #45
Ohhhhh Im sorry Cryptoad Mar 2016 #51
This is an example Legends303 Mar 2016 #57
This is so silly. Why are mail-in ballots so much harder for Bernie supporters? pnwmom Mar 2016 #82
Mail In Better billhicks76 Mar 2016 #98
Anyone who wants a mail-on ballot in Arizona can get one. Unfortunately, pnwmom Mar 2016 #108
Yes...But News Reports billhicks76 Mar 2016 #121
Oregon has few African American voters, so demographically it's a good fit for him. pnwmom Mar 2016 #125
Seattle And Portland billhicks76 Mar 2016 #126
I agree with you. That's what I just said. pnwmom Mar 2016 #129
What makes you so sure it's only Bernie supporters having trouble? ebayfool Mar 2016 #131
I'm not. But many Bernie people here are acting like it was some conspiracy pnwmom Mar 2016 #132
the Democratic party did no such thing. Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2016 #86
Is that a goodbye? Hekate Mar 2016 #103
One of the best tantrums thus far. giftedgirl77 Mar 2016 #179
If you're blaming the party for closing polling locations, then it's not hard to see how BS got.... Tarheel_Dem Mar 2016 #123
Don't bring Math and facts into this. nt msanthrope Mar 2016 #90
The "math" can CHANGE over the next few months based on changing variables. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #154
Thanks, and no link needed. This is YOUUUUGE! George II Mar 2016 #41
I'm willing to give out free calculators at this point if it would help out William769 Mar 2016 #44
They would say the calculators only count HRC numbers. Cryptoad Mar 2016 #54
Excellent speech in Seattle. Just excellent. It's on MSNBC. Hekate Mar 2016 #46
That was a pathetic speech by Sanders. William769 Mar 2016 #59
I thought so too. Very inspiring. n/t pnwmom Mar 2016 #79
MSNBC and CNN cut her off halfway, so I found it on CSPAN and watched the whole thing. Hekate Mar 2016 #87
I just watched it on cspan.. Thought she was dynamic riversedge Mar 2016 #85
Congratulations to Hillary Clinton and her supporters. davidthegnome Mar 2016 #66
Thank you. riversedge Mar 2016 #75
Thank you for the gracious post. It looks like Bernie will do well in the other states. pnwmom Mar 2016 #83
I was listening to her speech earlier... davidthegnome Mar 2016 #91
My family is split among Bernie and Hillary supporters, pnwmom Mar 2016 #93
In my family the dems are united gwheezie Mar 2016 #114
Hah! pnwmom Mar 2016 #118
That's about the nicest thing I've read at DU in months Hekate Mar 2016 #107
Sad that that's the case, isn't it? davidthegnome Mar 2016 #116
I agree with you about 2008. pnwmom Mar 2016 #122
+1,0000 Hekate Mar 2016 #164
And another state goes under the bus.... McCamy Taylor Mar 2016 #70
I justfound out about 5 minutes ago. Watching on cspan her Seattle VICTORY SPEECH riversedge Mar 2016 #73
So Did Trump billhicks76 Mar 2016 #76
So? Is there some Rethug you do like? n/t pnwmom Mar 2016 #80
My Parents? billhicks76 Mar 2016 #100
Nixon. Because he's dead. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #112
K&R ismnotwasm Mar 2016 #81
As a Bernie supporter let me say congrats! But, no, I'm not giving up! grahamhgreen Mar 2016 #84
Thanks to you and BlueMTexpat Mar 2016 #92
Winning Arizona is an accomplishment? DrBulldog Mar 2016 #88
85 total delegates in Arizona. 64 total, Utah and Idaho combined. pnwmom Mar 2016 #96
Legal Action Already Being Taken billhicks76 Mar 2016 #94
+1 Absolutely. BeanMusical Mar 2016 #99
True? Show me. truthisfreedom Mar 2016 #105
Many News Reports billhicks76 Mar 2016 #115
Here's One billhicks76 Mar 2016 #119
Yes, terrible coordination and implementation by the Republican SoS. But who polled Fla Dem Mar 2016 #165
Could But Not billhicks76 Mar 2016 #167
So just speculation? nt Fla Dem Mar 2016 #170
Watched News Today? billhicks76 Mar 2016 #172
She and the DNC did the Dirty SusanLarson Mar 2016 #101
Links? or just smears? Hekate Mar 2016 #110
Do Your Homework billhicks76 Mar 2016 #120
That's a pro-Bernie Sanders site. Yeah. Real credibility there. BlueCaliDem Mar 2016 #133
Dirty Tricks billhicks76 Mar 2016 #117
Hillary and the DNC run the elections in Arizona? yellowcanine Mar 2016 #148
LOL riversedge Mar 2016 #151
...and that's all she'll win tonight. Deadshot Mar 2016 #109
Bernie will net like +3 delegates tonight. Really closing in on that +321 Clinton lead. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2016 #127
Hillary is only ahead by 301 delegates. Deadshot Mar 2016 #161
What didn't you understand about my statement? "Which still leaves Hillary with over 300 pledged.." Tarheel_Dem Mar 2016 #163
Why even have the primaries then? Deadshot Mar 2016 #188
WTF are you talking about? We're having primaries now, and Hillary's winning. What's the problem? Tarheel_Dem Mar 2016 #195
At the end of the night she's still Codeine Mar 2016 #150
So? Deadshot Mar 2016 #160
So did Trump. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #111
Voters In Line Angry billhicks76 Mar 2016 #113
Awwww. Does bill have a sad? Tarheel_Dem Mar 2016 #128
Yeah We Get It You Love Status Quo billhicks76 Mar 2016 #139
I like to pretend that people who hold an opinion different than min LanternWaste Mar 2016 #147
Not True billhicks76 Mar 2016 #169
Threats from a random dude on the internet? "You shall see"? Well, alrighty then. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2016 #159
Easy There billhicks76 Mar 2016 #171
Pima County (Tuscon) early vote 61-38 HRC Cha Mar 2016 #130
Made the front page of the news! Cha Mar 2016 #135
Yuma county 50.5% of the population were Hispanic or Latino 64-32 HRC Cha Mar 2016 #138
And my REC gives thiis a big 50! riversedge Mar 2016 #142
K & R GreydeeThos Mar 2016 #144
Call To Vacate Results billhicks76 Mar 2016 #183
We will never really know true results Marrah_G Mar 2016 #187
The Real Results: Clinton won Arizona. JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2016 #189
Yes, she got the win Marrah_G Mar 2016 #190
Are they "problems"? JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2016 #191
I'm not saying HRC or the DLC have anything to do with this Marrah_G Mar 2016 #192
''Winning is the only thing." Octafish Mar 2016 #194
 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
124. Bernie Decimated Clinton In Utah And Idaho
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:53 AM
Mar 2016

And not a peep from Clinton and Trumps network, CNN. CNN and Wall St are trying to manufacture consent and not cover Bernie. They wanted the twins Clinton and Bush but the umbilical cord was cut prematurely so they want Clinton and Trump. It's not close to over. Super delegates don't count yet no matter how much they deceive us and write them in the totals. It's becoming very transparent to the people.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,222 posts)
136. Who cares? AZ was the big prize tonight, with more delegates than UT & ID combined, but nice try.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:02 AM
Mar 2016

And as for the popular vote, Hillary blew him out of the water.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
140. Arizona Isn't Surprising
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 05:05 AM
Mar 2016

And as many voters were turned away in AZ than Hillary early mail in. Yes you won. But dishonestly. Enjoy it while you can.

Stuckinthebush

(10,836 posts)
145. When Bernie wins, it's a revolution
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 07:50 AM
Mar 2016

When Hillary wins it is because of fraud, trickery, or stupid voters.

Got it. I'm sure it helps to think like that.



 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
166. Bernies Wins Never Controversial
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:02 PM
Mar 2016

The news is filled with pissed off people who weren't able to vote. Your hypocrisy is deafening. When republicans do this you're up in arms. When it's Hillary you excuse it. Pathetic. You call yourself a Democrat I assume. Shouldn't we be acting like it? This isn't an accusation. Thousands were disenfranchised. Even mainstream news is covering it. Bernie won more dekagates last night anyway overall!

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
178. Cool, so it is a revolution because actually Bernie won the night
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:37 PM
Mar 2016

Arizona · 75 delegates
99% reporting · Clinton won and has 44 delegates, Sanders has 30
Idaho · 23 delegates
100% reporting · Sanders won and has 17 delegates, Clinton has 5
Utah · 33 delegates
99% reporting · Sanders won and has 24 delegates, Clinton has 5

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
168. WAIT...You're Wrong!!!!!!!!!!!
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:17 PM
Mar 2016

As of now Bernie won more delegates last night. 72-62 and still counting.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,222 posts)
175. You must be overjoyed! I know I was last week when Hillary unexpectedly went 5 for 5. Link?
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:31 PM
Mar 2016
That would get Sanders up to 920 pledged delegates, while Clinton would have 1,242, with 1,889 pledged delegates still outstanding. Skipping a little bit of math, but Sanders would need 59 percent of the remaining total to tie Clinton in pledged delegates. That’s really difficult to do; it would be equivalent to beating Clinton by 18 percentage points the rest of the way out. Merely breaking even in delegates isn’t nowhere near enough for Sanders at this point.


http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/march-22-primaries-arizona-utah-presidential-election-2016/

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/democrats/

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
176. Oops - check your math - Bernie won more delegates last night
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:36 PM
Mar 2016

Arizona · 75 delegates
99% reporting · Clinton won and has 44 delegates, Sanders has 30
Idaho · 23 delegates
100% reporting · Sanders won and has 17 delegates, Clinton has 5
Utah · 33 delegates
99% reporting · Sanders won and has 24 delegates, Clinton has 5

Tarheel_Dem

(31,222 posts)
180. Where did I say he didn't? The fact remains that Clinton has a healthy enough cushion to keep him..
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:00 PM
Mar 2016

at bay. Winning ten more delegates didn't even dent her lead, and when you throw in the supers, it's a bloodbath.



lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
181. Ummm, he's +17, not +10; please stick with the real numbers
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:03 PM
Mar 2016

The supers will find themselves in a GOP-style situation if they try to reverse a Bernie win from the voters. They would have no case to make at all, because Bernie consistently and dramatically outperforms HIllary against ALL GOP potential nominees.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,222 posts)
182. Who cares what BS does in a fictitious matchup before the GOP has spent a dime attacking him?
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:10 PM
Mar 2016

The supers have nothing to fear. NOTHING AT ALL. The point was made by Steve Kornacki last night that Hillary has won more actual votes than anyone competing this cycle. So, if you're basing your assumptions on the popular vote, then BS is still hosed. Like I said, the supers have nothing to fear from BS, or his accolytes.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
184. Fair enough - Bernie never paid attention to the polls when he was down 70%
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:23 PM
Mar 2016

And now that he is closing in incredibly rapidly, he will continue to stick to his consistent positions on justice.

However, voters who don't want Donald Dump in the White House do need to select based on who is more likely to perform well in the general. And those who don't want to be starting every phone call or e-mail with "Heil Donald!" should pay some attention to actual numbers.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,222 posts)
185. They both beat Trump in the General, BS' problem is that he won't see the general, so his numbers...
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:54 PM
Mar 2016

don't much matter.

The trio of elections Tuesday demonstrated just how difficult it is for Bernie Sanders to wrest the Democratic nomination from front-runner Hillary Clinton.

Looked at in isolation, Mr. Sanders had a good night. He won two states; she carried one. But in the end, Mr. Sanders came away with six more pledged delegates on the night than his rival.

That is not enough to significantly dent Mrs. Clinton’s lead and reach a goal the Sanders campaign has set for itself: persuading superdelegates that he is surging and they should abandon Mrs. Clinton.

Mr. Sanders could score several victories in Western states and beyond. But because delegates are awarded proportionately, narrowing Mrs. Clinton’s delegate lead will require him to notch landslides—not merely wins—to garner big shares of available delegates.

An examination of the 25 contests stretching from now until mid-June shows opportunities for Mrs. Clinton to hold her lead or even build on it. As a presidential candidate in 2008, she faced then-Sen. Barack Obama in each of those states. She won 11 contests; Mr. Obama won 14.

But her 11 victories came in states and one territory, Puerto Rico, that in the 2016 primaries account for a whopping 1,342 delegates. By contrast, the 14 contests she lost in her last campaign offer only 547 delegates this year.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/110780849#post3

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
193. Thanks for the mainstream media position
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 09:23 AM
Mar 2016

But it's numerically incorrect (he won 17 more delegates, not 6) and misleading overall. As usual. When they lead with a lie, I can't put much stock in the slanted opinion that follows.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
18. Who knew? With all the money that the Bern was berning through...
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:48 PM
Mar 2016

Guess he'll have to hit up his 27-dollar donors once again.

iandhr

(6,852 posts)
13. Quite right
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:43 PM
Mar 2016

But if Sanders wins Utah and Idaho they will explain how those states do matter even though they are red states

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
19. in Utah if Donald gets the nom
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:48 PM
Mar 2016

it switches Blue . Idaho might do the same since they are also high Mormon's. So with Donald in play I consider those swing states right now.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,222 posts)
134. If you read downthread, sounds like they're going with "voter disenfranchisement". Of course....
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:43 AM
Mar 2016

they didn't care when it really did happen in Flint & surrounding areas. Closed primaries are just that. I'm sorry if Independents showed up, clogged up the lines, and didn't bother to check their registration prior to showing up. Oh well..........

Fla Dem

(23,586 posts)
156. BS's team didn't do the necessary ground work to ensure he had qualified
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:52 AM
Mar 2016

voters. Doesn't speak well for someone who wants to be Commander-in-Chief. Either that or
as I have stated before, his "millineals" like the big event rallies, but not the hard work of actually finding out how they qualify to vote.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,222 posts)
162. You wouldn't believe how many parents I've spoken with, who are Hillary supporters, who have to....
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:13 PM
Mar 2016

walk their kids through the process of mounting their "revolution". They don't even know the basics, because "it's hard". I've said it before, it's quite an event when you're in an arena with thousands of screaming peers, but some things require individual effort, and that's where they let their candidate down.

tazkcmo

(7,300 posts)
33. It really is a big deal.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:02 AM
Mar 2016

It's a big deal the man gets any votes at all. He's a scary, unknown, Jewish, old, radical, Socialist for heaven's sake. But really, it is a big deal and there a lot of reasons why. I hope you can put aside your enthusiasm for your candidate for just a second a try to see the underlying reasons for his surprising success. It really isn't about Bernie Bros or Hillary Haters although there's an ass in every crowd.

pnwmom

(108,955 posts)
174. Yes, he is, as predicted. The next five states should also be very good for him,
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:27 PM
Mar 2016

based on demographic predictions.

Pakhet

(520 posts)
197. They called it for her while I was still
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 08:22 PM
Mar 2016

2 hours from the door of my polling place. People were disbelieving and PISSED!

William769

(55,144 posts)
16. And that is why he is losing.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:45 PM
Mar 2016

Timing is everything. He should wait until he wins something or better yet when he loses to concede graciously.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
17. 1. red state 2. not surprised
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:47 PM
Mar 2016

since there's mass confusion on the voter counts. alot of angry people in AZ tonight. when there is voter disenfranchisement, the establishment usually wins

William769

(55,144 posts)
23. He can't win a red State since you point it out. He can't win in the South As the map shows.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:53 PM
Mar 2016

Why in the hell is he even running?

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
26. for some reason because she keeps mucking up
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:57 PM
Mar 2016

It never should have gotten this far but somehow she keeps dropping the ball , she's nowhere near close to winning. The onus is not on him but her. If she does this bad in the Primary Caucus season it'll just get worse from here. Thanks for swearing

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
34. yeah they are annoying and they turn away voters
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:04 AM
Mar 2016

go caucuses !!!! always hated primaries. they don't work

Hekate

(90,556 posts)
69. Hillary voters show up and are not confused by the long-established rules of the Party &/or State...
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:50 AM
Mar 2016

.....or so it would seem.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,222 posts)
137. Primaries don't work? They seem to be working just fine. The Democrat keeps winning them.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:14 AM
Mar 2016

YYYYYYYYYUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEE!!!!!

Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #137)

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
38. with 2% reporting
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:06 AM
Mar 2016

can't say

that and if he lost so bad why is he currently in theory ahead 40,000 votes of Ted Cruz. right now Hillary is actually ahead of Donald (shock) but Bernie is ahead of Ted. Think we have a swing state. I'm trying to calm myself down. But some people keep trying to pull that provoke button Wish they'd stop that. You'll never win anyone back doing that.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
49. thats not right either
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:15 AM
Mar 2016

donalds down 20,000 votes from what the 2 % is reporting

197,000 vs 172,000 (round)

the results shown are way out of date

LonePirate

(13,408 posts)
52. Pick your preferred source. All of them show Hillary ahead by over 20% regardless of the # reporting
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:18 AM
Mar 2016

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
61. whoever duh
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:27 AM
Mar 2016

take your pick

but she's not trouncing him. Donalds trouncing Ted Still she can't really close things with the delegate math the way it is. and this is at 9 % 40 to 16 delegates. not 50 to 2 delegates he's got 16 already.. This is why Bernie is still in the race. An electorate that is split right down the middle. Republicans aren't split down the middle they already picked him. True the establishment is threatening to do harm but I don't think they will...

LonePirate

(13,408 posts)
62. Clinton and trump are both leading by 23-24 points. If one is trouncing, so is the other.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:31 AM
Mar 2016

AZ is winner take all for the Repubs with regard to delegates. Dems use the same proportional system they have used in every state thus far, hence the differences in the percentages of delegates won.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
67. Trump is trouncing Ted well over 100,000 votes Hillary is beating Bernie by under 80,000 votes
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:45 AM
Mar 2016

trounce to me is over 100,000 albeit I took you for a Bernie supporter. My bad.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
50. Ironically
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:17 AM
Mar 2016

Donald is trouncing Ted. Hillary isn't exactly trouncing Bernie. well not yet since it's now 9 % always gotta look on the bright side. everyone wants doom and gloom. (both sides. ) I can't think like that.

Pathwalker

(6,598 posts)
55. Lots of that in Michigan, does that count?
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:20 AM
Mar 2016

There wasn't enough ballots in ANY Democratic areas, so the Democratic volunteers just made copies, rather than complaining. MANY voters across Michigan, especially in FLINT, Detroit and Lansing. Do You include Michigan in your complaint about disenfranchisement? Or, were we just a "fluke"?

Pathwalker

(6,598 posts)
155. NOT an assumer, just a voter who's damned tired of
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:48 AM
Mar 2016

Republican's malignant incompetence. They can't even run an election because they're too busy poisoning the children in this once great state.

atty

(5 posts)
21. CNN & MSNBC are saying that most precincts have reported
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:50 PM
Mar 2016

....But everywhere else suggests that only the pre-ballots have been reported, and in fact only 2% of precincts have been reported the results from today.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2016/mar/22/arizona-idaho-utah-election-results-primaries-caucuses-live

http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/arizona


How can this be a win so soon? The math doesn't add up... Saying that most precincts have reported (as cnn and msnbc are doing), does not make sense in light of the fact that less than 300,000 votes are included in that massive number of precincts.

pnwmom

(108,955 posts)
74. The majority of ballots were early mailed-in ballots that were already counted. That's how
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:59 AM
Mar 2016

there can be a result this soon.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
95. Majority?
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:39 AM
Mar 2016

How do you know that? Do you know the exact number of independents that registered as Democrat before the deadline that were turned away as mysteriously still listed as independent? Legal action is already happening they said.

Loki

(3,825 posts)
22. Love this!
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:52 PM
Mar 2016

But better have flame retardant suits on the blow back is coming. What happened, too much spring break? Anyone care to join me in a drink?

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
56. I know. We were still regaled with long diatribes about how it "wouldn't count anyway"
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:21 AM
Mar 2016

Because, you know, "demographics."

 

scottie55

(1,400 posts)
28. Thank God The Party Closed 2/3rd Of The Polling Places And Made It Practically Impossible
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:59 PM
Mar 2016

To vote unless you are old, stable, and could mail in your ballot.

This stinks beyond stink.

The state party, part of the Clinton Machine I am sure caused this cluster-f obviously.

Not only is Wall Street, and their puppets screwing us, our party is too.

Like no one notices.....

 

scottie55

(1,400 posts)
30. Not One Word About How Much The Cluster F Helps Hillary On CNN
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:01 AM
Mar 2016

Too many new voters see the lines and say screw it.

I am sure making it hard to vote is fine with the HRC camp though.

Win at any cost they say!

LonePirate

(13,408 posts)
37. There was almost a month of early voting. How does that make it impossible to vote?
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:05 AM
Mar 2016

Yes, the Republicans in charge of the voting process in Maricopa County screwed up royally but voters did have other options to vote at their convenience.

All Democrats should be pushing everyone to vote early when possible in order to avoid the lines and waits on election days.

pnwmom

(108,955 posts)
78. Exactly. Why was the voting process so mystifying to the Bernie people?
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:02 AM
Mar 2016

Mail in ballots are a great way to vote and everyone in Arizona can and should do it.

Hekate

(90,556 posts)
97. It seems to mystify the BS voters a lot. The ongoing kvetching makes me want to shake them...
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:42 AM
Mar 2016

....and snap, "Learn, Grasshopper!"

I do not understand how they can continue to be so ignorant about how the process works! Okay okay when they started out a yuuuuge number of them were complete political neophytes -- but that was 10 freaking months ago! I don't get it!

DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
63. It was not impossible to vote here at all
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:33 AM
Mar 2016

I'm on the permanent early voting list and received my Dem ballot over 2 weeks ago.

The state (run by Republicans, btw) chose to consolidate the number of polling places based on the number of people who voted in past couple of presidential primaries. The parties have strongly encouraged people to sign up for early mail-in ballots and many do.

One problem with the long lines today was that even though the state has been publicizing the fact that ONLY registered Dems, Repubs and Greens had ballots for this primary, MANY independents showed up trying to vote.





DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
199. I heard about that yesterday
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 08:44 PM
Mar 2016

Some callers into a local (Phoenix) radio station were saying that when they updated their driver's license it changed them to "no party", even though they had been registered Democrats or Republicans previously. I also heard the county recorders from Coconino county and Cochise county on the radio saying that the #1 problem that they had were Independents trying to vote and didn't understand the closed election. The Cochise county recorder said that many people have been watching the national news and seeing where in some states you can sign up and register on the day of the election, which is something that isn't done here.

It sounds like there is some data processing problem that has to be worked out before the AZ primaries in August and the general in Nov.

pnwmom

(108,955 posts)
77. Who can't mail in their ballot? No one. All you have to do is send in a form
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:01 AM
Mar 2016

and you can get a mailed-in ballot -- no need to be old or disabled or have any other reason.

The cluster-f was caused by Bernie people who apparently didn't know how to get their people to do mail-in ballots.

 

scottie55

(1,400 posts)
45. And It Said It When There Was No Way The Party Would Ever Let Him Win On Day 1
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:11 AM
Mar 2016

I am no longer a Democrat, and will never call myself a Democrat ever again.

Closing 70% of the polling places by the "state party" to insure an easy mail in victory for Hillary.

I will not be a part of a party that thinks fairness is such a joke.

Today I am an independent.

Who cares if a Hillary Nomination destroys "the" party.

Winning is everything right?

I am beyond pissed.

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
51. Ohhhhh Im sorry
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:18 AM
Mar 2016

"Math says Bern is Hoodooed out of another election"
only Bern voters not allowed to vote!
geeez

 

Legends303

(481 posts)
57. This is an example
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:21 AM
Mar 2016

of Bernie only appealing to people's emotion while Hilary appeals to people's political instincts

pnwmom

(108,955 posts)
82. This is so silly. Why are mail-in ballots so much harder for Bernie supporters?
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:07 AM
Mar 2016

Is it too hard for them to fill out a paper ballot and put on a stamp?

I think it's great that Arizona makes it so easy for everyone to vote by mail. The only thing better would be if they did it like Washington and Oregon -- all regular elections conducted by mail. No one here goes to the polls anymore, and we use all paper ballots. Afterwards, we can go online and make sure our ballot has been counted.

Our caucus system, OTOH, sucks.

pnwmom

(108,955 posts)
108. Anyone who wants a mail-on ballot in Arizona can get one. Unfortunately,
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:03 AM
Mar 2016

they have to fill out a form asking for one. But most people do it, and that's why they had vote predictions so soon -- all those votes had already been counted.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
121. Yes...But News Reports
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:46 AM
Mar 2016

Have way over a hundred thousand Bernie supporters in voting lines turned away. In Oregon it's all mail voting so Clinton can't pull any tricks. Bernie is predicted to decimate her here.

pnwmom

(108,955 posts)
125. Oregon has few African American voters, so demographically it's a good fit for him.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:53 AM
Mar 2016

So is WA.

But all of these 8 states between now and NY, put together, don't have enough delegates to close the gap between Hillary and Bernie -- even if Bernie got every single delegate (which he obviously didn't, since he lost Arizona.)

And then comes NY, which reelected Hillary Senator by a huge margin and has a high number of African American voters. And which requires that voters be registered Democrats. NY isn't Bernie territory, no matter how much he might wish it so.

pnwmom

(108,955 posts)
129. I agree with you. That's what I just said.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:06 AM
Mar 2016

Seattle and Portland are demographically similar to places where he has been strong. In particular, there are low numbers of African American voters in both cities (less than 8% in Seattle). Plus WA has caucuses in which Independents can participate, so he's likely to have many fervent supporters here.

Caucuses are a very anti-Democratic process, however. They exclude anyone who has a job on Saturday or just doesn't have the time to spend several hours voting. They exclude college students who are out of state, too.

But Bernie will probably do very well here. I fully expect that.

ebayfool

(3,411 posts)
131. What makes you so sure it's only Bernie supporters having trouble?
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:16 AM
Mar 2016

I'd lay odds that Clinton has voters stuck in those long ass lines too.

I totally love the idea of mail-in if, as you say - afterwards, we can go online and make sure our ballot has been counted.

We have mail-in (absentee) voting, but a shady Republican registrar. I can just picture her tossing Democrat ballots in a shredder! We mail it in and have no idea what happens to it after it hits the mailbox.

pnwmom

(108,955 posts)
132. I'm not. But many Bernie people here are acting like it was some conspiracy
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:18 AM
Mar 2016

to keep their numbers down.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
86. the Democratic party did no such thing.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:16 AM
Mar 2016

The Republican led government of Maricopa County did that. The state party has no power to close precincts. If you're gonna be outraged, at least get the facts straight.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,222 posts)
123. If you're blaming the party for closing polling locations, then it's not hard to see how BS got....
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:50 AM
Mar 2016

"bernt" in AZ. Access to voting is not a party function, that's left to the state legislature.

Hekate

(90,556 posts)
46. Excellent speech in Seattle. Just excellent. It's on MSNBC.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:14 AM
Mar 2016

I think I'll vote for this one.

Yes, I watched Bernie. It was a tough loss, but I kind of tuned out when all I heard was "corrupt campaign finance system." Um, a few other things are going on, so I hope he addresses them.

Hekate

(90,556 posts)
87. MSNBC and CNN cut her off halfway, so I found it on CSPAN and watched the whole thing.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:20 AM
Mar 2016

Has totally pivoted to the GE. She has nothing bad to say about Bernie, and why would she? She's running against Donald Drumpf and Ted Cruzmissile, and they are ferocious and scary and need to be put out of business.

I think she can do this. Boyoboyoboy what a contrast.

davidthegnome

(2,983 posts)
66. Congratulations to Hillary Clinton and her supporters.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:41 AM
Mar 2016

A strong showing - and a solid victory for you. Well done.

pnwmom

(108,955 posts)
83. Thank you for the gracious post. It looks like Bernie will do well in the other states.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:09 AM
Mar 2016

So you will probably have your own reason to celebrate tonight.

davidthegnome

(2,983 posts)
91. I was listening to her speech earlier...
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:28 AM
Mar 2016

and for the first time, really let myself listen to what she was saying without my own internal distrust and sarcasm playing in the background. I started to get interested before CNN went to commercial, in the middle of what I thought was a pretty great speech.

My mind may change about Clinton, if it does - it will be because of the honest and decent people who support her. You have all given me cause to question many things, most of all, my own certainty about her lack of authenticity. You know... maybe she can do it, maybe she will do what she says she's going to do. Her policies aren't bad, they might not be quite as strong as I want... but, the more I learn about her, the more I think that maybe she can get things done.

Don't get me wrong, I'm far from jumping ship, I still think Sanders is what we need, I think his message is honest - and righteous, and represents the needs of millions of people like me. Still, I'm beginning to wonder if Clinton is perhaps, not as bad as I had thought... which, for me, is progress.

Who ever gets the nomination will get my vote. Maybe though, in the months to come, I won't be quite as reluctant or hesitant to vote for Clinton.

Those of you who have acted with decency and graciousness have my heartfelt gratitude and respect. It's not easy here during the primaries - and there's a lot of ugly stuff to go around... but, we are all in this together. Who ever our next President is, let's keep the progressive, positive, hopeful messages going.

pnwmom

(108,955 posts)
93. My family is split among Bernie and Hillary supporters,
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:35 AM
Mar 2016

and none of us are at each other's throats. It's too bad it can't be that way on DU.

My greatest fear is that all the hard feelings could keep us from joining together in the general, because I firmly believe either Hillary or Bernie is infinitely preferable to any of the possible contenders on the other side.

So your words give me some hope. Thanks for another positive, thoughtful post.

pnwmom

(108,955 posts)
118. Hah!
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:33 AM
Mar 2016

Fortunately, we don't have any of those. And none of them are on my FB feed either. It's hard enough just seeing them on TV.

davidthegnome

(2,983 posts)
116. Sad that that's the case, isn't it?
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:31 AM
Mar 2016

Often at DU I can point to any number of uplifting, heartfelt posts, I probably could now too - but I get what you mean. These primaries have been... especially ugly. We fought a lot back in 08, but not like now. For my part... it's not personal, my arguments with Clinton supporters - it's a matter of policy and principle. Plenty of people in my family like Clinton, some voted for her in our primary.

Before things really heated up here I didn't really despise Clinton. I was mildly wary of her because of various things I had heard and read about her corporate ties - and other things but I still remembered her as one of those people who was trying to champion healthcare reform back in the 90s. I think perhaps, in my enthusiastic support for Sanders, I have not questioned, or criticized, as strongly as I might have, some of the things being said about Clinton.

As another poster suggested to me earlier... I think we should support both of our candidates. Honestly, I'm tired of fighting with people I like and respect anyhow. Whatever our differences in politics or principle and so on... we are on the same side. I think I have been unfair to Clinton and to her supporters - I'm going to try to do better, all of us here deserve better, from, well, all of us here.

Some of it has just gotten so personal and ugly that it was both scary and sad at the same time. I hope we can all calm down a bit, and maybe remember that we're all dealing with other decent people who have feelings as genuine as our own.

In any event, we will all be cheering together when a democrat wins the 2016 Presidential election and we take back the Senate!

pnwmom

(108,955 posts)
122. I agree with you about 2008.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:48 AM
Mar 2016

This season has been so much worse. As some of us have noted before, Bernie has conducted a serious, important, issues-based campaign. But some of his supporters have made this very personal, and very negative.

I was actually on the fence when all this began, but I kept hunting down information in response to obviously unfair posts about Hillary, and the more I defended her, the more I found myself on her side. So all the nastiness backfired.

I think she's been attacked unfairly since the day she said, as First Lady, that she wanted to do more than bake cookies. But this current cycle surpasses every other one -- and the worst part is that the attacks are coming from other Dems.

I am also heartened by the fact that it looks like we might get the Senate back. Let's hope 2016 gives the Dems a very unusual 3-terms-in-a-row win. The Rethugs will regret that they didn't approve Garland when they had a chance!

pnwmom

(108,955 posts)
96. 85 total delegates in Arizona. 64 total, Utah and Idaho combined.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:39 AM
Mar 2016

So, yes, winning Arizona is an accomplishment.

Unless you also want to disparage wins in Utah and Idaho . . .

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
94. Legal Action Already Being Taken
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:36 AM
Mar 2016

Independents who registered as Democrats before the deadline were all turned away. 99% of those were voting for Bernie. More corruption. I can see 2016 being settled in the streets.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
115. Many News Reports
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:29 AM
Mar 2016

There's lifelong Democrats who have been supporting the Democratic party since the 70s who were told they weren't allowed to vote today in AZ because THEY were suddenly registered members of the GOP or listed as an Independent despite the fact their registration cards said otherwise. If you don't think that's an issue that voters were robbed of their vote, then you don't really care about the Democratic process I guess. That's your problem, but stop blaming a candidate's supporters because people who were turned away are calling malarkey.

Fla Dem

(23,586 posts)
165. Yes, terrible coordination and implementation by the Republican SoS. But who polled
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:55 PM
Mar 2016

all those people to determine that 99% of them were BS supporters? Many could have been HRC voters as well as Rethug voters.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
172. Watched News Today?
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:23 PM
Mar 2016

It's out of the bag. Thousands were disenfranchised. Unlike other states in 2008 and 2012 this is being covered by the media due to its overwhelming obviousness.

 

SusanLarson

(284 posts)
101. She and the DNC did the Dirty
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:48 AM
Mar 2016

The Clinton motto is "Win at any cost legal or otherwise." Loved the fact that voters who changed party affiliation didn't show up on the rolls, then a helpful bomb threat shuts down the voter help line. #ClintonDirtyTricks

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
117. Dirty Tricks
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:33 AM
Mar 2016

"Win at any cost. Us Bernie supporters are not "whiners"; we're only expecting a fair campaign, fair reporting, and a fair counting of votes. Unfortunately, Clinton and her crowd don't know how to fight fair, don't know how to run a clean campaign without character assassination, voter suppression, rigging the DNC, changing voter registrations, impeding voting by having Bilbo visit polling stations ON ELECTION DAYS, having unregistered people vote in caucuses, bribing super-delegates, and having media outlets like theyellow journalism rag DailyTrashBin smear Bernie Sanders and distort his record. Oh no, it's not whining: it is righteous anger at a corrupt system, and contempt for those either ignorant or willfully deceitful supporters of Clinton who perpetuate the system".
-Another quote from an AZ voter turned away

yellowcanine

(35,693 posts)
148. Hillary and the DNC run the elections in Arizona?
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:20 AM
Mar 2016

They control the county election boards? This is astounding news. Why is it not being covered?

Tarheel_Dem

(31,222 posts)
127. Bernie will net like +3 delegates tonight. Really closing in on that +321 Clinton lead.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:59 AM
Mar 2016

Tonight's haul:

BSS = 46
HRC = 43

Which still leaves Hillary with over 300 pledged delegate advantage, and that ain't even counting the super delegates.

Deadshot

(384 posts)
161. Hillary is only ahead by 301 delegates.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:12 PM
Mar 2016

There's still over 1,000 delegates up for grabs.

Nice try, though.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,222 posts)
163. What didn't you understand about my statement? "Which still leaves Hillary with over 300 pledged.."
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:21 PM
Mar 2016

301 is over 300, right? Since there are no winner take all's, no matter what BS does from here on out, Hillary still collects delegates. The only thing that can stop her is if BS wins all the remaining contests, and keeps her under 15% in every one of them. And guess what?




But thanks for playing.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,222 posts)
195. WTF are you talking about? We're having primaries now, and Hillary's winning. What's the problem?
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 02:18 PM
Mar 2016

Didn't BS know how this process worked before he jumped into a contest, under the banner of a party he doesn't even belong to? The rules haven't changed since Hillary ran the last time, she's just much better at it this time around.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
113. Voters In Line Angry
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:26 AM
Mar 2016

"Clinton and her gang of cutthroats have done is obvious to a blind person. I give two craps about what the Republicans are doing in Arizona right now. What I DO care about is a personally corrupt grifter and serial liar like Hillary Clinton snowing the ignorant into voting for her, thinking she is on THEIR side....while she takes $$$ from the fracking industry, Big Pharma, Big Insurance, Wall Street, the private prison lobby, and vacations at estates during the campaign that cost $50,000 per weekend. It is a JOKE. It is a reflection that we are a celebrity-driven, brainless society that is dazzled by popularity and not on substance. Which explains why the moron Trump is winning on HIS side."
-An AZ voter posted this today

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
139. Yeah We Get It You Love Status Quo
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 05:01 AM
Mar 2016

The great defender of the NSA? Defender of Clinton's ties to Bush? Excuser of drug war atrocities? It is a sad day when the same old candidate that most people don't trust has to win the way Bush did in Florida. Not surprising the state is Arizona. They called it at .8% in but no mention of Utah and Idaho till well after midnight. Damn right I'm sad for this country. Between Hillary and her buddy Trump it doesn't look good for the average citizen. Karma is real though as you shall see

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
147. I like to pretend that people who hold an opinion different than min
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:13 AM
Mar 2016

I like to pretend that people who hold an opinion different than mine are defenders of the NSA and war atrocities too.

Granted, it's an empty and petulant allegation filled less with substance and more with sour grapes and illustrates a demonstrable lack of rational thought on our part, but as long as we keep denying that and predicate our child-like behavior on the righteousness of magical thinking and faith-based karma (maybe some crystals and a lava lamp, also?), we can bathe in the light of our pretense.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
171. Easy There
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:20 PM
Mar 2016

First off not a threat. And second, not directed at you. Merely saying there is karma for her campaign cheating or benefitting from republican cheating. The karma would be losing or being exposed.

Cha

(296,836 posts)
130. Pima County (Tuscon) early vote 61-38 HRC
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:15 AM
Mar 2016

All in from Apache County(Northeast corner of AZ) and HRC wins 62-32

Santa Cruz
County(border Mexico) 24/24 precincts in HRC 66-32

Mohave County(Mohave County is located in the northwestern corner of the U.S. state of Arizona. As of the 2010 census, its population was 200,186. The county seat is Kingman, and the largest city is Lake Havasu City).. 61-34 early vote for HRC

Yavapai County(Yavapai County is located near the center of the U.S. state of Arizona) early vote 56-42 for HRC

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110780120#post34

So far.. Gracias William!

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
187. We will never really know true results
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:13 PM
Mar 2016

Arizona's voter suppression makes it impossible to ever get real results.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,321 posts)
189. The Real Results: Clinton won Arizona.
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 08:00 AM
Mar 2016

Shenanigans maybe, but she got the win, and that's all that matters. Winning is the only thing.

The record of "Real Results" also shows that Bush won Florida in 2000.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
190. Yes, she got the win
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 08:04 AM
Mar 2016

But these voter issues are a problem. Many votes for whatever candidates were probably lost as people gave up. We need to fix these problems before November.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,321 posts)
191. Are they "problems"?
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 08:08 AM
Mar 2016

Or are they simply exploitable loopholes for the politically savvy?

HRC and DWS have no reason to try to fix things before November, before this April, or before HRC's re-election campaign in 2020.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
192. I'm not saying HRC or the DLC have anything to do with this
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 08:47 AM
Mar 2016

Voter suppression is a PROBLEM. Having 60 polling places where there was once 400 in a mostly democratic area is a PROBLEM.

Try looking at things from a general election standpoint. What we see now is going to be a huge issue in November. It is never okay for people to be denied their vote.

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