blaming the victims that went well. X_X don't think she'll be hearing from them anytime soon

They must be progressives, just like Hillary.

be a better Republicon than Trump. The Ruling Class really like Clinton. I mean how can they trust someone like Sanders that doesn't accept bribes?

like more war, regime change, backing military coups in Central America, to name but a few.

in comparison to Donald Trump.
You can bet if they had someone like Reagan running on the Republican ticket that they would flock to them as well.

I was told it was a smear and a meme.

today said that Hillary is a moderate but on foreign affairs she is more moderate/conservative. To my mind, when Republicans and Democratic political pundits are saying it as a part of their political analysis, I would say it is far from a smear, but an observation.

You can have whatever estimate of HRS's hawkishness and its advisability you choose, but nobody who wants war would suggest it is less likely under Trump. So why suggest her over him?

We been saying that all along.

go to war in the Middle East together or something like that

but you will be judged by the company you keep."

The democrats nominate a very conservative woman who will work with Ryan and McConnell to enact more of the pnac/turd way agenda. Her chances in the ge are pretty sketchy, so the republicans nominate a crackpot with little to no chance. This brings live possibilities that an actual liberal could beat Mrs Clinton and the crackpot and be elected president, so he is cut out of the big media.

The big shots play the hoi polloi like a fiddle.

stating that she is reluctant like when Bill signed deregulation of the banks and Clinton signed on for the war in Iraq.

And her minions will believe that it wasn't her fault for losing SS to privatization. Just like Obama was/is powerless to close Gitmo.

Obama needed the support of Congress to close it down and he didn't get it because two many representatives and senators refused to house any of the inmates in their states for security reasons. This is not like the issues of bank deregulation and the Iraq war, which were choices that elected officials made.

waited until he no longer had the backing needed. Maybe it was a blunder or maybe his heart was never in it, like his heart was never in rolling back the Patriot Act or condemning the torture under Bush. Elected Obama was a hell of a lot different than campaign Obama.

The financial system was teetering on the brink of collapse, and we were bogged down in two wars that weren't going well. The same argument is made about immigration reform, that he should have addressed it while the Democrats were in the majority. But he couldn't address everything at once, and not all of the Democrats in Congress were supportive of his policies.

He has released most of the detainees. The ones that are left include people whose home countries don't want to take them back.

Bush created a terrible problem by housing these prisoners there. Obama is not stupid or naive, and he knows full well that the existence of that prison camp is a rallying cause for jihadists. It is a pity that so many members of Congress were so craven about the issue.

I, too, have been disappointed in some of Obama's decisions, but it is also true that he has faced a degree of obstructionism that is almost beyond belief. I think it is one of the reasons that so many voters in this election year seem have rejected the candidates that the party establishments want. Most people want a functioning government, and that is not what we have got.

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enemy (peons) with nothing left to lose. They will fight accordingly.

Pretty.

Then I don't know what is!

Endorsed by a Republican.

Be proud!

Is that most Hillary supporters have been with her on most of her real* issues all along. This is good news to them. JMHO


*meaning the ones she had before she started swinging left to appease the crowds.

stand on issues is that they stand with her no matter what her stand is. I don't think any will deny that.

All that voter list and voter fraud smells a little of stinky Rovian shenanigans. Bill Kristol, Rove, and others are appalled by the take-over of their party by dumb baggers like Cruz. For them, the defense of the oligarchy is paramount, and even surpasses party loyalty. And if they manage to make Cruz (the usurper) and Trump (an unfortunate byproduct of the whole thing) both losers, there would be a better chance to retake the party back for the next election where they may simply move back and Hillary will be the enemy once again.

Just because someone is a Republican don't underestimate their intelligence. There are many Republicans who are appalled at the prospect of Trump being their party's nominee. They know that he would be a terrible president. Given the choice between Trump and Hillary, they'll bite the bullet and vote for Hillary. Not because they like her or her politics, they just know that Trump would be infinitesimally worse.

It was OK when Bernie was trying to get Trumps voters, you know those KKK members, Nazis, racists, tea baggers, and all around nuts, but now it's "terrible" that those who don't like trump at all might actually vote for Hillary? Sometimes, or should a say a whole lot of times, the Bernie crowd makes not sense at all.

Since I've never made the comparison you mentioned in your post, take it up with the posters who wrote that.

did Bernie try to get KKK members, Nazis, racists, tea baggers, and all around nuts? I must have missed that.

... 25+ years of following politics has convinced me that few, if any, Republicans would ever really vote for Hillary. In fact, I'm gambling on "none."

It sounds nice, like there might actually be some Republicans decent enough to recognize the greater of two evils and work against Trump, but I just find it impossible to believe any of them will. No matter their thoughts, these people have been programmed for 20+ years to believe Hillary is a dishonest murderer who will ruin this country if elected. They've been trained to believe the worst Republican is still infinitely more intelligent, competent and honest than the best Democrat.

No, I think some Republicans will pay lip service to supporting "anyone but Trump" but when the time comes to actually vote they will adhere to their programming and go for the guy with the "R" after his name, no matter what, come hell or high water.

Not trying to be pessimistic or a killjoy, but that's the way I see it. They are just too conditioned to ignore facts and reality and to insist that the whole country goes to ruin whenever a Democrat occupies the White House.

Some of my friends are Republican and last night they were saying "Trump is bad but Hillary is much worse!" Well, not much chance Arizona was going blue anyway but I was still shocked that anyone could believe that.

the Iraq war. They should send her flowers for her support of their position.

Free Trade, fracking, the Patriot Act, indefinite detention, torture, domestic spying, drilling in the artic, oil pipelines across the continent, keep a low min wage, privatizing SS or at least not strengthening it, war, war, war and more war.

You left off her support for increasing the number of H1-B visas (ie. keep middle class wages low).

and make a lot of money in the process.

looks like many are going for the crumbling infrastructure, failing schools, and joblessness, to support the war industry.

Yes we can.... be like Flint, MI. Hillary will pass TPP.

I also support clean water.

Trade is the economic engine that can pay for good and useful things. The "socialist" Nordic countries embrace free trade (and economic liberty/capitalism in general) yet still provide excellent government services for their citizens. Yes they pay higher taxes but they get good benefits (including better economic security) for those taxes. Opposing trade is not progressive at all.

but it should be FAIR trade, not FREE trade.

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Or at least a lot more fair than previous trade deals that countries could actually agree to. I trust Obama's word. Yet Bernie and many of his supporters still hate it. It's a prime example of letting the perfect (in their minds) be the enemy of the good (in the real world).

Like I did, and then tell us all how it's a good thing?

Try googling and finding it online ....and read it.

~Ava~

PS- you may also want to check out what we were promised with NAFTA and after 20 years compare that to what we got.

Try to look at pro Nafta info and con Nafta stats, and then use your critical thinking skills and fact checking to form a decision.

And it lowered prices for everyone.

I noticed you must have hit the post button before finishing your sentence

Yes, a few Americans lost jobs, a few Mexicans gained jobs. Prices were lowered for everyone.

The product prices stayed the same though, corporations just pocketed extra profits, as they always do when given the option

Prices aren't set by how much an item cost to make, prices are set by what consumers are willing to pay for them.

However, it is true that some goods are cheaper because of it, the trade-related losses in wages outweigh the gains in cheaper goods for the vast majority of U.S. workers.

~Ava~

Low costs benefit all consumers but the displaced jobs are more noticible. Most people when they buy products don't even realize the cost would be higher if not for global competition. There's not a visible connection like there is with job displacement. This is not a new phenomenon as economists have been writing about it since the 19th century.

Studies that compare the cost of consumables to wages, show the working class is losing ground to the rate of about 3k a year for someone making 30k. There is a high cost to those cheap goods.

In addition it's economics 101 that pricing is set by what consumers are willing to pay, meaning in many cases despite the savings in labor costs, the difference is not passed along to the consumer, it only ends up as more profit for the company.

Can't be bought? Your politics don't matter... they have NO use for them.

especially when her figurative bro-in-law, George Bush, says so

It shows how dangerous he is if even this lot are coming out against him.

If not, then why is it surprising that a republican thinks the same thing?

And if you do think Trump would be better, please explain it to me cuz I don't get it.

and it's clear by the conversations here on DU that her supporters want those same this as well. The DNC has become what it hated most of all: CORRUPT NEOCONS!

sorts of medical problems including losing arms, legs and their ability to think straight. Yeah, love her foreign policy. Gotta keep those private contractors feeding at the trough.

To vote for Trump over Clinton. This election process is so rigged.

While Clausewitz described war as politics by other means, he would probably note with satisfaction that there is never really such a thing as a three-way war that lasts for any length of time, sometimes even in politics, because two sides will always recognize a mutual interest in defeating the third and either stop actively fighting one another or join forces.

Curiously enough, the way to "join forces" in this case is to either steal the nomination from Trump, guaranteeing his third-party run, or to run a third-party conservative candidate. (Don't worry, they'll still try to steal it from Mrs. Clinton too, by preventing her from winning a majority of electoral votes and tossing the election into the House. They are, after all, criminals.)

The recognition of Mrs. Clinton's foreign policy credentials by one of the Bush criminals is the first sign that both sides are beginning to acknowledge a greater danger.

If the two sides succeed it will be an interesting example of the unique American two-party system of government succeeding in preventing a fascist takeover where the parliamenary systems of Hungary, Rummania, Bulgaria, Italy, and Germany all failed in the 1920s-1940s. What a strange world we live in.

There's only one thing I'm certain of about Trump. He's a total bullshitter. I don't believe a thing that comes out of his mouth. He'll do or say anything to get those delegates he needs. It's all a show, and it kinda works because it keeps everyone talking about him 24/7. The more outrageous he is, the more attention....

I don't believe for a second he is a fascist, however in parallel, I couldn't tell you what he stands for either. No record to assess, at least a political record.

Hillary has a record, I happen to think her record is abysmal, and I think economically and Foriegn policy wise, she is no different then Cheney.

I also think she's a total bullshitter, same as Trump.

Ultimately, I think both are also only in this thing to enrich their personal bank rolls....

Which is why I think they both suck!