And almost always in GOP run states.

The harder it is for mobile, poor, and young people to vote, the better Republicans do.

And the Democrats let them get away with it all over the country.

Two parties. One pure evil, the other one cowardly.

No wonder half of all Americans who can, don't vote.

Not worth the hassle.

It isn't sad.

It is planned.

Outrage?

Thanx.

Maricopa is majority Republican so if it was planned then they planned to cut out their own voters. My polling place which is in a poor and largely Hispanic neighborhood in Maricopa County had no lines whatsoever. BTW, why were they in line in the first place? The ballots were mailed out a MONTH ago. It would have taken all of 60 seconds to mark a box and put it back in the mail. That is what I did 3 weeks ago. Some people want to be a victim.

No matter which Democratic candidate you are for any kind of voter suppression should be protested.

You have some strange ideas.

sixty six of them are corrupt beyond belief. (One Registrar of Voters per each County.)

Friendly and oh so hospitable to anyone querying the methods of operation, but totally willing to "adjust the votes."

In 2012 or 2014, there was a measure on the ballot about labeling the Gm Frankenfoods sold at the groceries.

The election was called as a defeat for the activists who put the measure on the ballot. And a win for Monsanto.

But no one bothered to count the last ONE MILLION voters' ballots before this "win" was announced!

BTW, California only has 58 counties, unless some of them split recently (which might not be a bad idea, but that's another discussion).

Number of Counties in California is 58.

Peace Patriot did this comprehensive post way back in 2008:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x496453

The county registrar of voters whom everyone trusts is the woman who heads up my county's registrar, here in Lake County. Although a registered Republican, she is willing to make things easy for anyone from any political spectrum to come in and get advice on phone banking and setting up initiatives. (A county in Claif can have an initiative, jsut as the state can.)

I am not sure if things have improved after Debra Bowen was given the job of being Secretary of State, as she was very much into the voting integrity side of things.

yup

when has that ever been done before??

The whole thing is crazy. Concentration camps, Hillary ads on the voting machines, electronic machines, and on and on. And guns. Fortunately, the guns have been absent from this election, thanks very much.

"Goes to show" exactly how much those in the upper echelon of the Democratic Party learned from BUSH and Company over election cycles 2000 and 2004.

And don't forget it ever - it was Hillary's buddy James Carville who spent time with Kerry the day after the Nov 2004 election. It was this man who persuaded Kerry that he could not possibly win with Ohio voters still having uncounted ballots. And Kerry caved in to Carville's persuasions.

Hillary did not want Kerry to win, as then he might have been in the Oval Office for eight years, and she wanted the win in 2008.

In Arizona the republicans were in charge of the voting, they controlled what happened, NOT the Democrats. How can anyone blame Democrats, or Clinton for the mess made by the republicans in Arizona? It's just isn't logical at all.

If it is true, where was the DNC shouting from the mesa-tops?
Why when there are voting irregularities or there is obvious fraud, is the Party silent?

I arrived on DemocraticUnderground at the urging of fellow DU member Andy Stephenson.

In 2004, we were both voting activists. Before Stephenson's untimely death in July of 2005, he tried to give the Upper Echelon of the Democratic Party the information that the Black Box situation would mean elections would not be fair. That news casters calling the "win" of any candidate before the votes were counted was simply not a just and not a righteous way to hold a "free election."

He tried to warn them that the "Usual Shenanighans" regarding election protocols of the Republicans needed to be a top priority of the Democratic Leadership. The reason he did this back then in 2005 was precisely so that what happened this past month would not have occurred.

The reason that this stuff is happening now is because Democratic Leaders did not want to straighten things out at all. They have been totally indifferent about gerrymandering, about Black Box voting, about the fact that there is little in the way of legal remedy if one candidate receives an election win with less than 1 percent of the vote total.

In nations where the voting integrity rating is high, there is a universally triggered hand count of ballots in such a situation. Here in the USA, if the "losing" candidate can get a recount AT ALL, the ballots are simply swiped through the same easily-jimmied machinery that counted them for the original tabulation!

On edit: The Upper Echelon's stance on what Stephenson told them was so rigid that even Amy Goodman refused to deal with Black Box Voting issues. And in part due to the "news blackout" of the voting issues, most Americans do not understand that exit polling is a science, and not something to be dismissed lightly.

But the Upper Echelon uses all the various in's and out's of the voting scams as a most certain way to make themselves money and to gain power.

Sometimes even with 0 percent tallied based on exit polls.

the vote by mail that Oregon does. Lots of time to vote, drop off or mail and there's a paper trail. Plus you're automatically registered to vote if you're eligible whenever you apply for, renew or replace your driver's license.

18th birthday. But no matter what we do we are still going to have problems because they still have to be counted.

is constantly updating their address in the system, how would anyone know how to register you automatically? How would they get your address, and to what party would they affiliate you?

I too think it should be automatic, but that still only reaches people who are in the system, like the DMV system for a picture ID, whether it be license or just ID.

Even in many countries where the voting itself is not compulsory, registering one's place of residence with some government agency is required, which automatically constitutes voter registration for citizens, and in some cases residents, of the required age.

So maybe it would just be a requirement for individuals to make sure their address is updated and choose their party. Then they are automatically registered to vote, but without a party affiliation...so they still need to contact the government registry to tell them which party they are associated with, before time to vote. Except why do we even have to do that?

Maybe it would be better if nobody had to choose a party prior to voting. It would sure make it easier to handle elections like this, where you need to change party to vote in the state you live in.

It could work. I wonder if knowing you are automatically registered to vote will inspire more participation? Maybe for many people that's just too much work?

I don't understand people not wanting to participate in a system that determines decisions as important as who your congress people and POTUS are.

The state begs you to use it. They mailed out the ballots a month ago and 500,000, including me, voted by mail. The people standing in line refused to do it. They wanted to waste their time.

I prefer to vote in person and feed my own ballot into the machine. It gives me a true sense of making sure my vote is counted, or at least as close to counted as possible. The fact that you malign those who choose to vote in person rather than via mail says a lot about you and your belief, or lack thereof, in the right to vote. The state allows voting in person and they need to accommodate it as such. People like you are exactly why these issues are allowed to happen.

I have never seen you oppose that in the many threads about that.

In Arizona, they offer the ability to vote either way. It is the right of the voter to choose to vote in person and many chose to exercise that right. You are trying to compare apples to oranges and it doesn't work. If Arizona does not allow, or want, voting in person, then pass a law stating that. Otherwise, they have to make accommodations for everyone to vote in the method of their choosing.

I have never seen so many people bend over backwards to embrace voter suppression and disenfranchisement as I have seen here this past week. It really is an absolute shame.

We should go the route of Oregon and not allow choice. Ok, I get it....

This was not done in Arizona and that is the issue. Not only was it not done, but it targeted working class and minority areas while leaving the wealthier areas untouched. This is classic voter suppression and equivalent to what Scott Walker has been pulling in Wisconsin.

Again, Oregon provides proper support, documentation, and pushes the fact that the only way to vote is by mail. You can't compare the two.

The only place there were lines was in Maricopa County. Maricopa County is majority Republican. There were not lines anyplace else. I live in a majority Hispanic working class neighborhood which is certainly not a wealthy area (Escalante precinct). There were no lines at all at the neighborhood polling place. The places where there were lines were in the Republican neighborhoods where there was a heavy turn out. Sorry the facts don't fit your meme.

And the videos were lies too. It is obvious you are dishonest and there is no need to continue the discussion.

People who don't live in the state but think they know everything. All the videos were taken in Maricopa County -- no where else. How many people of color do you see in those videos? Republican turnout was 550,000 compared to 450,000 in 2012. Glad to see you are so concerned about Republican standing in line.

It would be incredible if in the United States we would all take voting as seriously as they do in countries where a purple thumb or finger is a badge of honor.

The term first appeared shortly after the January 2005 election in various weblogs and editorials of individuals supportive of the U.S. invasion of Iraq. The term received its widest usage during a visit by U.S. President George W. Bush on February 24, 2005 to Bratislava, Slovak Republic for a summit with Russian President Vladimir Putin. Bush stated: "In recent times, we have witnessed landmark events in the history of liberty: A Rose Revolution in Georgia, an Orange Revolution in Ukraine, and now, a Purple Revolution in Iraq."

As I recall - the Repugs and conservative radio was abuzz with this 'purple finger' vote - that it was because of BushCo that the Iraqi's had this great opportunity to vote because Bush took out Saddam Hussein's government.

Fast forward to today - the Repugs do every thing in their power to deny American's the right to vote.

What happened last night in Arizona illustrates this perfectly. If something isn't done about this before the November General Election - we might very well looking at a Repug president to replace President Obama.

they want to keep control more than they want to have a win against a Pub if the Dem's a loose cannon who'll betray the idea of a political class

heck, even if Clinton loses they can blame Bernie or Bust rather than an ambitious pol with nothing to actually offer the voters who sent millions of once-again-hopeless voters back to their couches

... the problem was that democrats as a whole were disenfranchised. The complaint isn't that Hillary won, the fact is that the preponderance of the evidence indicates that Democrats were deliberately or negligently disenfranchised. Most complaints have nothing to do with the outcome or are trying to take Clintons win, the complaints are based upon the voting process as a whole.

The DNC is making calls today telling us how important it is to vote. We know that, we're upset about the Voter suppression.

There was an illegal conspiracy to suppress the vote in the State of Arizona, and people need to be going to federal prison over it. 200 polling places to 60 with roughly 80,000 people per.

It more likely was the GOP that did it. They disenfranchised those that would be least likely to have the power to fight back: the young independents. Those just happened to be the largest group of Sanders supporters.

Most people in AZ vote by mail. They mailed out the ballot a MONTH ago.

Can you post links of the DNC raising hell about this issue?
I would like to see some evidence that they care.
If there isn't any, it speaks volumes.

I spoke to someone I know who spent 6 hours waiting to vote and had to vote provisional which won't be counted according to the Maricopa recorder...

I really admire that person.

Almost every one of them. They don't want people to vote, especially Democrats, elderly, students, minorities and anyone who isn't voting the Republican ticket. They have redrawn districts, so they can do anything they damn well please. We let this happen. We have no one to blame but ourselves and a press that doesn't work, and a justice system that can't correct an error even in death penalty cases. This is a national disgrace when we won't get out and vote, and then this is what we get. People died for us to have this right and we have taken it for granted, and this is what happens. Until we rid this country of this anti-American republican ideology we will continue to suffer the consequences.

when there was a lot of controversy (generated by Republicans, mostly) about college students voting. One segment showed Appalachian State University, where officials had moved the only voting location for students off campus, on a road that was virtually inaccessible unless you had a car (and a lot of students don't). Those are the lengths they will go to to suppress voting.

I don't think Democrats do the same thing. I've never heard of it anyway. Any time there has been a reduction in polling places, in the number of machines, in reduction in early voting days, it has always been done by Republicans.

As soon as the Supreme Court ruled against the Voting Rights Act, North Carolina started doing this shit. Before, they had seek approval for changes and it was almost always denied.

I just can't believe all the people here blaming those who stood in line. "Well, why didn't you early vote or vote by mail?" I dunno why, maybe they forgot, maybe they didn't get the memo.

I was standing in line with republicans to vote for hours and they were furious until I told them that the maricopa county recorder was a republican and they looked confused especially when poll worker who was being yelled at told them to blame the legislature for cutting election funding. She didn't remind them that the legislature is run by republicans so I did it for her! Also when the gung ho republicans for cruz and trump got to the election table and were told by the poll workers that these life long republicans were registered as democrats and could only vote a ballot for hillary clinton or bernie sanders they went crazy!

the world for proper elections. Also remember that our democracy is an illusion as George Carlin said. It's a big club and you're not in it.
Our POTUS has already been picked by the PTB.

From what I was reading earlier the "reason" given was 2012 election had very low turnout compared to yesterday. If I recall right it was something like 4x the number of voters turned out was claimed.

Did the people who made the call to reduce polling stations for this election act in good faith? I'm sure there's some kind of history that can be shown.. How was the 2008 turn out? Was there some tool that they ignored that showed or indicated there was going to be such a large turn out this time around?

The situation is outrageous regardless, but to me at least, the biggest thing is if the people acted in good faith and acted on bad data that was believable/historical? Or, did they knowingly disenfranchise the voters who turned out?

Were the long lines both Republican and Democrat, or just Democrat? I know here in Texas, for our primary, the polling stations had 2 lines for each party (at my precinct at least), so there should be some evidence if it was Democrat targeted.

Being a mostly Republican state (governor, both US Senators, majority of US representatives, and Majority in both chambers of the state legislature), It would seem to me that it would make more sense that they would pull this kind of crap in the General, unless their primary goal was to affect the independent turn out for Trump and try to get Cruz elected?

Suppress the working poor, and those juggling schedules, that's the ticket. Instead he settled on "merely" telling employers to advise their workers on who to vote for. Must be smacking himself in the head now.

A Republican governor who just happened to be the brother of the person running for president and a Republican SOS who was in charge of elections. You act like this is some new tactic? Where in the hell have you been?

I was spreading the word about the Brooks Brothers riot at that time. Wondering why the administration sat on the sidelines.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooks_Brothers_riot

Voter suppression, gerrymandering has been an ongoing battle in red states.
Hillary has addressed this & fought this for years.

Where ya been all this time bernie?

Red State Gerrymandering, voter suppression

Not hard to locate.