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JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
Tue Aug 23, 2016, 08:59 PM Aug 2016

Philippines' war on drugs leaves 1,900 dead in less than two months

Source: Baltimore Sun

Newly elected Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte launched a war on drugs about seven weeks ago. The grim result? More than 1,900 dead and counting.

Ronald dela Rosa, chief of the country's national police force, said at a Senate hearing in Manila this week that only around 750 of those people have been killed by police and that the rest of the deaths are now under investigation. Whether it's 750 or 1,900, the Philippine government has made no effort to mask the intentional targeting of anyone believed to be dealing drugs.

But according to dela Rosa, police were never given "shoot-to-kill" orders for those suspected to be drug dealers.

Funny he should claim that, because Duterte himself told a group of reporters the exact opposite earlier this month.

Read more: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation-world/ct-philippines-drug-war-analysis-20160823-story.html

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Philippines' war on drugs leaves 1,900 dead in less than two months (Original Post) JonLP24 Aug 2016 OP
Sounds just like what Trump wants to do. Stonepounder Aug 2016 #1
My thought. Trump has another role model. Hortensis Aug 2016 #13
WTF man. WTF. Glamrock Aug 2016 #2
America are allies with the House of Saud JonLP24 Aug 2016 #3
Boy, you're really helping with the sad heart Jon.... Glamrock Aug 2016 #4
It was already iffy in some sections of Mindanao as to whether you would be safe or not.... 4bucksagallon Aug 2016 #5
And Most Filipinos support this guy Utah_liberal Aug 2016 #6
Interesting. Quantess Aug 2016 #16
Trump: I Would Stop Crime By Letting ‘Tough’ Cops Take Charge TomCADem Aug 2016 #7
Note to self: never visit the Philippines. TonyPDX Aug 2016 #8
Well, if you kill the people taking the drugs, that's not a war on drugs. Aristus Aug 2016 #9
Singapore and Malaysia have an absolute zero-tolerance no-drugs policy brooklynite Aug 2016 #10
It's only illegal if the government says it's illegal. If the government is doing it Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #11
He needs to be warrprayer Aug 2016 #12
I'm very sure Nixon is proud discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2016 #14
Terrible...nt different equation Aug 2016 #15

Glamrock

(11,787 posts)
2. WTF man. WTF.
Tue Aug 23, 2016, 09:26 PM
Aug 2016

How is an American ally pulling this shit?
I don't get it man. I don't.. I mean. What the fuck? I ain't blaming anyone, I'm not making any kind of political statement. This is just fucked up. And I'll go ahead and indulge my lizard brain and ask, "Goddamnit if we're THE superpower with the most badass military in history, why is this shit going on? " And I know why. But sometimes man, sometimes...with all this endless killing. You know?
It hurts my heart.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
3. America are allies with the House of Saud
Tue Aug 23, 2016, 09:28 PM
Aug 2016

So human rights have long been the furthest from their minds as far as foreign policy goes. Money seems to be the primary concern.

4bucksagallon

(975 posts)
5. It was already iffy in some sections of Mindanao as to whether you would be safe or not....
Tue Aug 23, 2016, 11:21 PM
Aug 2016

especially as an American living here. Now with Dirty Duterte as President things are getting worse. If you don't like your neighbor or if you are having a land dispute or are just drunk and POed, just kill them. Kill 'em and plant some illegal drugs, you will be hailed as a hero and may even get a medal from Dirty Duterte. I have taken the unusual step of carrying a pistol when I walk to our fishpond. We have been in the process of evicting some squatters from our land that surrounds it. They have put us on notice that they will do anything they can to stop us. Like I said these are some shaky times in the southern Philppines and throughout the rest of the islands too from what I am hearing... Do not let Trump become President America I implore you... If you want to see what he would do look no further than the PI's. Duterte wants to make friends with Al Qaeda, Abu Sayyaf, MNLF, ISIS and NPA terrorists and shoot some kid smoking a joint.... Donald Drumpf would, in my opinion, like to kill journalists, Blacks, Mexicans, Muslims, and anyone that doesn't look like him. Yet wants to be best friends with North Korea and Russia.. There is something wrong of that there is not a doubt...

Utah_liberal

(101 posts)
6. And Most Filipinos support this guy
Wed Aug 24, 2016, 12:02 AM
Aug 2016

About half of my facebook friends are Filipino due to the fact I have spent a lot of time in the Philippines and my wife is from there too. I am astonished at the percent of my Filipino contacts who voted for this guy knowing he was behind death squads when he was the mayor of Davao. Whenever I criticize Duterte, I get lambasted by most of my Filipino friends. I've been told told on several occasions that my opinion means nothing because I don't live there and don't understand the situation. I even heard it said that the president has suggested it's ok to murder a neighbor if they are a drug addict. This is a very sad situation for me.

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
16. Interesting.
Thu Aug 25, 2016, 05:15 PM
Aug 2016

Is their attitude mostly about that "there was /is too much crime and our leader is cleaning up the streets"? Or something else?

TomCADem

(17,382 posts)
7. Trump: I Would Stop Crime By Letting ‘Tough’ Cops Take Charge
Wed Aug 24, 2016, 01:44 AM
Aug 2016

Hey, maybe President Duterte was just being sarcastic?

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-oreilly-stop-crime-tough-police

“So, specifically, specifically. How do you do it? How do you do it?” O’Reilly asked.

“I know police in Chicago,” Trump replied. “If they were given the authority to do it, they would get it done.”

“How? How?” O’Reilly pressed.

“You have unbelievable—how? By being very much tougher than they are right now,” Trump said. “They are right now not tough. I mean, I could tell you this very long and quite boring story but when I was in Chicago, I got to meet a couple of very top police. I said, ‘How do you stop this? How do you stop this? If you were put in charge,’ to a specific person, ‘Do you think you could stop it?’ He said, ‘Mr. Trump, I would be able to stop it in one week.’ And I believed him 100 percent.”

brooklynite

(94,384 posts)
10. Singapore and Malaysia have an absolute zero-tolerance no-drugs policy
Wed Aug 24, 2016, 03:13 PM
Aug 2016

If you are caught with ANY amount, even for personal use, and you are convicted in a fair trail, you are subject to the Death Penalty. No exceptions. Rich, pool, local, foreigner.

The theory is that scaring off the buyers will get rid of the sellers.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
11. It's only illegal if the government says it's illegal. If the government is doing it
Wed Aug 24, 2016, 06:02 PM
Aug 2016

it can't be illegal because they always approve of what they do.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,477 posts)
14. I'm very sure Nixon is proud
Thu Aug 25, 2016, 11:30 AM
Aug 2016


The US is a world leader and has been for a long time. Most of the world followed the example of the Founders in establishing a Constitution. Maybe the next president from our party can do something the others haven't, END THE WAR ON DRUGS.

Thomas Jefferson, author of the Declaration of Independence, wrote often about government and Democracy. Henry David Thoreau, in his pamphlet Civil Disobedience summed up parts of a variety of Jefferson's writings with the line, "That government is best which governs least."

There is no doubt that drugs, intoxication, dependency and addiction are monumental afflictions crippling individuals and their families. It's time, actually it's long past time, to look at the casualties and collateral damage from the war and the laws behind it to determine if the cure is worse than the disease.

The war on drugs, like so many other wars, is a mistake. The first step is admitting we have a problem...
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