As the one woman spoke of "the illegal" who killed her child Hannity decided everyone needed a hug. He and Trump got out of their chairs but didn't hug the woman - she kept speaking through all this - they hugged the other two women on the stage.

Trump was sitting there like he was at a time share sales pitch and when Hannity suggested the hugs he had a look like "it's not enough that I have to sit here? I have to actually touch them?!??!"

Trump is a germaphobe. That must have killed him.

is from formaldehyde? make sense

Last night
His reaction to having to go near a small crowd of people in Louisiana
That I haven't seen him shake hands in a rope line

Thanks. I didn't know that.

Why it was in Austin Texas? I have no idea.

After he moved into an apt. below hers, she asked him to keep the noise down due to his drunken parties. He slashed her tires, claimed she had broken a window that in fact he broke, and threatened her with a gun. This guy also had a child around 8 y.o. whom he kept out of school b/c he did not want anyone knowing the family was here illegally. I contacted ICE, gave them his full name/address and a list of his harassment and threatening actions.

ICE did NOTHING.

Several months later, this man was stopped for a traffic violation and did not appear in court. I learned this while visiting my employee at her apt., when a sheriff stopped by to find the guy. Eventually, the undocumented family moved out of my employee's apt. building but she doesn't know where they went.

I was very surprised that ICE did nothing for so many months after being given the info I gave them, including the fact he had a gun and threatened my employee. I thought ICE would be hauling him away immediately, but I guess it takes a traffic violation for undocumented felons to get noticed.

Something IS wrong with the system.

Immigration and Custom Enforcement is not an all purpose law enforcement agency that displaces local law enforcement. So, reporting an assault to ICE, rather than the local police was your first mistake.

Second, once ICE becomes aware of a suspected deportable alien, through notification by local authorities or through its own investigatory processes and periodic visits to local jails and prisons, it may file an immigration “hold” or “detainer” (which we will refer to as an immigration “hold”) with the local, state, or federal law enforcement agencies who have custody of the person. In addition, even if a hold request is filed, local jurisdictions may not honor such requests and often they not do so if the crime was a traffic infraction. Indeed, that would be Trump-like to immediately deport a family based on a traffic stop, and it could encourage reckless behavior where someone would try to avoid stopping for police if it became well known that a mere traffic stop could lead to deportation. Don't you agree?

Third, how do you know that the man was undocumented? I doubt that folks who are undocumented willingly advertise their immigration status.

Fourth, reporting to ICE regarding a child's alleged truancy? I can imagine the intake receptionist at ICE wondering why the police, child protective services or the school district are not being contacted? Can you imagine if ICE regularly did sweeps of schools? This would just encourage greater truancy and crime.

Hope this helps. If you see a crime, call the police. If you suspect a truancy, contact the school district, child protective services and/or the police.

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After he moved into an apt. below hers, she asked him to keep the noise down due to his drunken parties. He slashed her tires, claimed she had broken a window that in fact he broke, and threatened her with a gun. This guy also had a child around 8 y.o. whom he kept out of school b/c he did not want anyone knowing the family was here illegally. I contacted ICE, gave them his full name/address and a list of his harassment and threatening actions.

ICE did NOTHING.

Several months later, this man was stopped for a traffic violation and did not appear in court. I learned this while visiting my employee at her apt., when a sheriff stopped by to find the guy. Eventually, the undocumented family moved out of my employee's apt. building but she doesn't know where they went.

I was very surprised that ICE did nothing for so many months after being given the info I gave them, including the fact he had a gun and threatened my employee. I thought ICE would be hauling him away immediately, but I guess it takes a traffic violation for undocumented felons to get noticed.

Something IS wrong with the system.

I had no time to contact all the people you suggest---schools, police, child protective, etc. I thought ICE would contact whoever they needed to bring in.

Further, your assumption that I would want ICE to do a sweep of schools or deport the family (without investigating) is wrong and I suggested no such thing.

The man was undocumented. This from my Spanish speaking employee who said that no one in the family knew a word of English and the reason the little girl was not going to school. She also knows the owner of the apt., who was renting to the family in an apt-share situation. He told her.

Not sure why you're so upset with me. I was upset to think an undoc. foreigner was threatening my hard-working employee with a gun, keeping her from sleeping with loud drunken parties and slashing her tires. I guess you think such a fine guy should stay in the US and not be investigated.

...by telling her to call ICE rather than 911 or the police if someone is threatening her with a gun. This shouldn't be that complicated. See a gun. Call 911.

If someone you suspect to be undocumented started a fire in your building would you call the Fire Department or ICE? Now, you could be stubborn about it and insist on calling ICE and hoping that they "contact whoever they needed to bring in," to put out the fire, or you can save your building and call the fire department.

It seems from your description that you are endangering your employee and doing a disservice to the children who aren't going to school by getting fixated on undocumented status, which is irrelevant to the issues you describe.

If someone threatens you with a gun, call 911. No need to demand to see that person's papers and decide whether or not to call ICE. The local police are not going to decline to respond to a call on the ground that the perpetrator may be undocumented.

"The man was undocumented. This from my Spanish speaking employee..."

Hearsay and gossip are wonderful sources of objective information... as long as they validate our own personal narratives and our own allegations about what may or may not have actually happened.

would have to be the stupidest person that ever lived on Earth.

Having grown up in an agricultural area, I must say that I have encountered many an undocumented immigrant. ALL of the people I've met do everything they can to fly under the radar. They may in fact be among our nation's most model citizens, in that they are terrified of stirring up any shit whatsoever. Put yourself in their position. Wouldn't you do the same thing?

So I am thinking that your immigrant is either an extreme outlier, or someone is mistaken as to their actual immigration status.

It probably would have been better (and faster) to just call the cops in this case. It's their job to straighten that stuff out.

if he's going to go after one group, he really should have them all

How about alcoholic drunk drivers from casinos ... oh. wait. he wouldn't
want to touch that one

You don't seriously believe that Hillary is trying to stoke hate against police as claimed by the Trump campaign? Need to see the incident you are talking about.

Not sure what the confusion is.

You wrote this What? Incident? What are you talking about?
I gave you a link to what they were talking about.

You were confused "What? Incident? What are you talking about?", I gave you an answer, now say you are not sure what the confusion is.

"these mothers asking for better gun laws, and for the police to abide by better rules. I don't know about you, but I see a BIG difference between asking for such modest changes in laws to prevent such killings, and the rather outrageous conclusion that to keep our children safe, ever illegal must be tossed out of the country. "

Yes, there is a huge difference. One is stoking gathered against a group of people based on skin color and nationality. The other is asking for changes and accountability to prevent killings. Or do you see that as promoting hatred and fear of police?

...who talked of how children had been killed not just by police (many of these victims being shot even though they had no weapons and hands up) but, like Trayvon Martin, by men with guns arguing they shot in self-defense. Even in the case the man who went out and killed a kid for playing loud music? I don't recall the Mothers of the Movement arguing for police or gun owners to be rounded up and thrown out of the country.

Do you?

I do remember these mothers asking for better gun laws, and for the police to abide by better rules. I don't know about you, but I see a BIG difference between asking for such modest changes in laws to prevent such killings, and the rather outrageous conclusion that to keep our children safe, ever illegal must be tossed out of the country.

Also, the Mothers of the Movement urged Americans to unify and try to get along and for there to be peace. They said they forgave those who had killed their children. Did the mothers of these children speak of forgiveness and peace?

If not, then you're totally wrong. There is a HUGE difference between the DNC's bringing forward Mothers who are asking for better gun and police laws, and Trump bringing forward Mothers asking for 11 million people to be rounded up and thrown out of the country.

...not let back in 5 times so that they can ultimately kill American citizens.

That's not an outrageous conclusion.

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...proposing. He was proposing rounding up 1 million illegals (my mistake on his saying 11 million) and deporting them. Men, women, children. That was an outrageous conclusion. Now he's changed his mind and is saying he'd have a policy JUST LIKE OBAMA's. So...why are these mothers standing with him, if his policy is going to be the same one that is in force now under Obama, which they apparently object to because it isn't strong enough?

Also, your original argument was that these moms at this rally were no different from the Mothers of the Movement at DNC. Well, they're mothers who lost children. They do have that in common. But the Mothers of the Movement argued that Hillary, who will oversee police reform, is more desirable than Trump, who wants police to act TOUGHER. Tough police policies got their child needlessly killed. They also argued that Hillary would create smart gun control laws, which to them was more desirable than Trump who wants no such laws. The Mothers argued that the lack of such laws got their children killed.

The Mothers provided a stark contrast between Trump's polices on policing practices and gun control, and Hillary's policies on gun control (many of which will help save kids from dangerous illegals, who get guns easily here), and police practices. How are these mothers, with Trump, doing the same? What are Hillary's immigration policies vs. Trump's and how would Trump's keep children safer than hers?

One other thing that is very different here is that Trump has advocated fearing and hating illegals (they'd rapists and muderers, he said). If these mothers stand with Trump, they're implying that hating and fearing illegals is right--they may or may not personally feel that, but they are standing with a man who has said as much, and they're lending him their tragic stories to support his position. Hillary has never told anyone to hate the police or gun owners. She's just argued for sane laws and practices to make both better. So, the Mothers at DNC stool for sane, peaceful and lawful changes. Not hate and fear. That's an important difference, don't you think?

We are letting illegal aliens do the work of our own killers. It's got to stop.

It can be rather difficult to see a relevant or distinct difference when our narrative and bias depends on us not seeing it.

Liquor should be taxed like Australia taxes ciggies, ($400 tax a carton) will keep everyone safer.

how about bringing the undocumented women who lost their children from traveling here for a better life, or from crime toward undocumented or actually any immigrant? No Trump, Hannity you dont want to do that, because there were immigrants killed after trump rallies? ok then shut the fuck up

It's also hard to counter without appearing to ignore these crimes or appearing unsympathetic to the families.

Need to counter this with success stories.

Not deny the fact some are criminals, but show most are hardworking honest people.

I think that most people are rightfully horrified at the portrayal of immigrants as blanketed criminals. I think it sad that the most horrible criminal monster you could ever imagine might be living next door to you right now, and he's a white male citizen whom you would never suspect as being a serial killer.

5,000 of them.