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brooklynite

(94,333 posts)
Wed Aug 24, 2016, 01:16 PM Aug 2016

Earth-sized planet around nearby star is astronomy dream come true

Source: Nature

Proxima Centauri, the star closest to the Sun, has an Earth-sized planet orbiting it at the right distance for liquid water to exist. The discovery, reported today in Nature1, fulfils a longstanding dream of science-fiction writers — a potentially habitable world that is close enough for humans to send their first interstellar spacecraft.

...snip...

Humanity’s first chance to explore this nearby world may come from the recently announced Breakthrough Starshot initiative, which plans to build fleets of tiny laser-propelled interstellar probes in the coming decades. Travelling at 20% of the speed of light, they would take about 20 years to cover the 1.3 parsecs from Earth to Proxima Centauri.

Proxima’s planet is at least 1.3 times the mass of Earth. The planet orbits its red-dwarf star — much smaller and dimmer than the Sun — every 11.2 days. “If you tried to pick the type of planet you’d most want around the type of star you’d most want, it would be this,” says David Kipping, an astronomer at Columbia University in New York City. “It’s thrilling.”

Earlier studies had hinted at the existence of a planet around Proxima. Starting in 2000, a spectrograph at the European Southern Observatory (ESO) in Chile looked for shifts in starlight caused by the gravitational tug of an orbiting planet. The resulting measurements suggested that something was happening to the star every 11.2 days. But astronomers could not rule out whether the signal was caused by an orbiting planet or another type of activity, such as stellar flares.

Read more: http://www.nature.com/news/earth-sized-planet-around-nearby-star-is-astronomy-dream-come-true-1.20445

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Earth-sized planet around nearby star is astronomy dream come true (Original Post) brooklynite Aug 2016 OP
How near its star is that planet Dale Neiburg Aug 2016 #1
This is from another website PJMcK Aug 2016 #5
Thanks. The other question is how long has the star been a red dwarf? Fast Walker 52 Aug 2016 #16
Pretty much once a red dwarf, always a red dwarf. longship Aug 2016 #31
What about the energy output from its star? Is it powerful enough to have cstanleytech Aug 2016 #20
Hard to know, I suspect PJMcK Aug 2016 #30
Holy @$%@#$@#$. This is awesome. byronius Aug 2016 #2
send those drones! they can scout it within my freaking lifetime Fast Walker 52 Aug 2016 #17
in 100 years, interstellar colonization will be a Thing 0rganism Aug 2016 #3
That's the last thing that the universe needs! Orrex Aug 2016 #6
if the universe has objections, it will have to raise them soon 0rganism Aug 2016 #15
I doubt it! Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2016 #19
This is great! Proxima Centauri was more familiar to me as Hortensis Aug 2016 #4
Oh goody! A new place for humans Cirque du So-What Aug 2016 #7
There are literally uncountable worlds out there for us to mess up. Frank Cannon Aug 2016 #21
By the time we fuck up that planet your Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Grandchildren snooper2 Aug 2016 #25
The laser-propelled probes sound like complete fiction n2doc Aug 2016 #8
Strictly speaking, photons have NO mass VWolf Aug 2016 #12
Not really fiction, but it won't be easy. Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2016 #22
We send low power laser beams out of the atmosphere all the time VMA131Marine Aug 2016 #26
They mention accelerating the probe to 0.2c in less than 3 days. n2doc Aug 2016 #28
They talk about tiny probes ... VMA131Marine Aug 2016 #29
IOW, we have a place to go if Trump wins. Yavin4 Aug 2016 #9
So how much is real estate there? Blue_Tires Aug 2016 #10
We better get our act together. The Centaurans could be here any day now. tclambert Aug 2016 #11
We should seed it with the self-proclaimed best DNA we have...The Nasty Man(tm), to space. n/t jtuck004 Aug 2016 #13
25,000,000,000,000 miles away. Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? 63splitwindow Aug 2016 #14
I want ice cream!... I have to go to the bathroom! Fast Walker 52 Aug 2016 #18
I for one welcome our new Proxima Centuri Overlords RapSoDee Aug 2016 #23
11.2 days? freebrew Aug 2016 #24
DeGrasse will have a wet dream over this sailfla Aug 2016 #27

PJMcK

(21,995 posts)
5. This is from another website
Wed Aug 24, 2016, 01:49 PM
Aug 2016

SPACE has a good article that includes the answer to your question:

Proxima b lies just 4.7 million miles (7.5 million kilometers) from its host star and completes one orbit every 11.2 Earth days. As a result, it's likely that the exoplanet is tidally locked, meaning it always shows the same face to its host star, just as the moon shows only one face (the near side) to Earth.

For comparison, Earth orbits about 93 million miles (150 million km) from the sun. But Proxima b's relatively tight orbit puts it right in the middle of the habitable zone, because red dwarfs are so much cooler and dimmer than sun-like stars, team members said. Not much else is known about Proxima b, so it's unclear just how hospitable the planet may be to life.


The complete article is here: http://www.space.com/33834-discovery-of-planet-proxima-b.html
 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
16. Thanks. The other question is how long has the star been a red dwarf?
Wed Aug 24, 2016, 03:12 PM
Aug 2016

Very cool:

What is more interesting is the history of the planet — whether in the early ages, the young ages, of this planet the star was so active, and the star emitted so much high-energy radiation, that it blew away the atmosphere and may have blown away the water also," he said.

Other aspects of the planet's history also have a bearing on just how wet Proxima b may be. For example, if the alien world formed far from the star but then migrated inward, it is likely water-rich; if it formed near its present position, it likely started out much drier, study team members said. (But even this latter scenario doesn't preclude the existence of large amounts of water on Proxima b, Anglada-Escude stressed; comet and/or asteroid strikes could deliver the substance, as apparently happened here on Earth, he said.)

Tidally locked planets were once regarded as inhospitable to life — baked too hot on the star-facing side, and freezing cold on the dark side. But recent research suggests that such worlds may indeed be habitable; winds in their atmospheres could distribute heat, smoothing out temperature extremes.

And if Proxima b is potentially habitable, life-forms have a long time to gain a foothold there: Red dwarfs keep burning for trillions of years, in contrast to stars like the sun, which die after 10 billion years or so.

"Proxima Centauri will exist for several hundreds or thousands of times longer than the sun," Hatzes wrote in his "News and Views" piece. "Any life on the planet could still be evolving long after our sun has died."

The sun is 4.6 billion years old. Proxima Centauri is thought to be slightly older — perhaps 4.9 billion years or so, study team members said.

longship

(40,416 posts)
31. Pretty much once a red dwarf, always a red dwarf.
Wed Aug 24, 2016, 06:14 PM
Aug 2016

Over 3/4 of the stars in the universe are red dwarfs. They are, by far, the longest lived star type. Many will go on slowly burning their hydrogen for up to a trillion years, or more.

Yes, they are dim, but once they get out of their adolescence they are stable.

The habitable zone being so close in is worrying though, because any planet there will very likely be tidally locked to the star, showing only one face to it. Not sure if that is conducive to life.

cstanleytech

(26,227 posts)
20. What about the energy output from its star? Is it powerful enough to have
Wed Aug 24, 2016, 03:35 PM
Aug 2016

caused all the water to have evaporated from the light side like what happened to Venus with any remaining water (if it ever had any) frozen on the dark side?

PJMcK

(21,995 posts)
30. Hard to know, I suspect
Wed Aug 24, 2016, 05:26 PM
Aug 2016

The article indicates that the planet could be in danger from solar flares.

Proxima Centauri fires off powerful flares, and the planet therefore experiences a much higher dose of high-energy X-ray radiation than Earth does, Hatzes, who is not part of the discovery team, wrote in an accompanying "News and Views" article in the same issue of Nature.

"Energetic particles associated with the flares may erode the atmosphere or hinder the development of primitive forms of life," Hatzes wrote. "We also don't know whether the exoplanet has a magnetic field, like Earth, which could shield it from the dangerous stellar radiation."

But the higher X-ray flux is not a "showstopper" for life, Anglada-Escude and his colleagues said.

"None of this does exclude the existence of an atmosphere, or of [surface] water," co-author Ansgar Reiners, a professor at the University of Göttingen's Institute of Astrophysics in Germany, said during Tuesday's news conference.


It's possible that the most important things from this discovery will be for improving the scientific techniques to use in other planetary searches. Still, it's very cool news! In the 1960's science fiction television show "Lost in Space," the Robinson family was supposed to visit Alpha Centauri:

The astronaut family of Dr. John Robinson, accompanied by an Air Force/Space Corps pilot and a robot, set out from an overpopulated Earth in the spaceship Jupiter 2 to visit a planet circling the star Alpha Centauri with hopes of colonizing it.


Life imitates art, although the TV show was pretty un-artful!

0rganism

(23,924 posts)
15. if the universe has objections, it will have to raise them soon
Wed Aug 24, 2016, 02:55 PM
Aug 2016

humanity's comin your way universe, deal with it!

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,852 posts)
19. I doubt it!
Wed Aug 24, 2016, 03:28 PM
Aug 2016

The stars are very distant. Even the closest ones are about 4.5 light years away. With our current rocket technology, it would take over 100,000 years to get there.

There's hypothetical future technology to cut down that travel time dramatically, but then there's collision risks at high speed. The galaxy is full of gas and dust between the stars, and they can be lethal as a traveler approaches even a fraction of the speed of light. When distant galaxies collide, it's mostly the gas and other particles that strike each other. The stars mostly pass right by each other. When the Andromeda galaxy hits the Milky Way in a few billion years, it's believed that none of the hundreds of billions of stars will collide because they're so sparsely distributed. The gas in between will heat up and glow, however.

Here's a recent article about using laser-powered small sails to fly past the solar system mentioned by the OP and the risk of collisions through the interstellar medium (which doesn't mention the greater risk closer to each solar system): http://arstechnica.com/science/2016/08/could-breakthrough-starshots-ships-survive-the-trip/

By the way, I seriously doubt that warp drives will ever be achieved, at least anything that achieves FTL travel. Why? Inevitable causality paradoxes.

This is the technology being referenced in this thread:



Here's another video about other travel ideas:

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
4. This is great! Proxima Centauri was more familiar to me as
Wed Aug 24, 2016, 01:40 PM
Aug 2016

a child reading science fiction than...Cincinnati or Baltimore. Whoops, forgot jump rope, c-i-n-c-i-n-n-a-t-i, cross off Cincinnati.

"Lisa Kaltenegger, a Cornell astronomer: "A planet next door. How much more inspiring can it get?"
Scientists even now think planets in binary star systems (in general) might be habitable, although this one doesn't exactly look like Kansas. What Proxima b might look like:
https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=

Wonder if Jeff Bezos is planning an interstellar space ship already.


Frank Cannon

(7,570 posts)
21. There are literally uncountable worlds out there for us to mess up.
Wed Aug 24, 2016, 03:43 PM
Aug 2016

There is only one that we know right now that we are messing up, and that's the one we seem to be stuck on.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
25. By the time we fuck up that planet your Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Grandchildren
Wed Aug 24, 2016, 03:53 PM
Aug 2016

Would have been involved LOL

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
8. The laser-propelled probes sound like complete fiction
Wed Aug 24, 2016, 02:13 PM
Aug 2016

Getting up to 20% of light speed using lasers? Photons are not all that strong an accelerant (little mass) and the light levels would have to be astounding to punch through the atmosphere and provide the thrust.

Electronics can't be too small because they have to be able to send data back. and survive long periods of time in space.

I'll believe it when I see them get a probe up to escape velocity.

VWolf

(3,944 posts)
12. Strictly speaking, photons have NO mass
Wed Aug 24, 2016, 02:38 PM
Aug 2016

But they do carry momentum, albeit not much

(Sorry for being so picky, just wanted to clarify)

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,852 posts)
22. Not really fiction, but it won't be easy.
Wed Aug 24, 2016, 03:43 PM
Aug 2016

And this is about visiting the NEAREST star to us other than our Sun.



There's collision risks too:
http://arstechnica.com/science/2016/08/could-breakthrough-starshots-ships-survive-the-trip/

That article mentions the very low probability of striking dust that's large enough to destroy a sail in one blow, at least through the interstellar medium between the systems, but the risks from striking smaller dust particles and gas molecules are inevitable.

Interstellar travel certainly isn't easy. No visits from ET? Maybe they realized it's incredibly difficult and not worth the effort. (Or maybe they're simply not out there in our Milky Way, but I doubt it.)

VMA131Marine

(4,135 posts)
26. We send low power laser beams out of the atmosphere all the time
Wed Aug 24, 2016, 04:00 PM
Aug 2016

If you know where to point it, you can use a laser to measure the distance to the moon by bouncing the beam off one of the mirrors left by the Apollo missions. The thrust produced by the laser would be very low, but a craft could achieve huge speeds by operating the beam continuously. Theoretically, the speed would asymptotically approach the speed of light itself, although it could never quite get there, of course.

The momentum of a photon is h/wavelength, where h is Planck's constant. If you have an ideal mirror, the momentum imparted to the spacecraft by one photon would be double the initial momentum of the photon.

According to my (non-relativistic) estimates, a 10GW red laser at 633nm could accelerate a 1000kg spacecraft so that it reached Proxima Centauri in 34 years. The spacecraft would be travelling at 25% of the speed of light at that point so it would not spend much time in that neighborhood as it would have no way to slow down.

You would not want to get in the way of the laser beam unless you were highly reflective.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
28. They mention accelerating the probe to 0.2c in less than 3 days.
Wed Aug 24, 2016, 04:26 PM
Aug 2016

What would such a thing look like from the ground? It would probably blind you just from the scatter.

VMA131Marine

(4,135 posts)
29. They talk about tiny probes ...
Wed Aug 24, 2016, 04:39 PM
Aug 2016

If I assume a 1kg probe then 35 gigawatts of power are needed to accelerate it to 0.2c in 3 days. That's considerably more than the 1.21 gigawatts needed to propel Marty McFly back to the future in a deLorean.

 

63splitwindow

(2,657 posts)
14. 25,000,000,000,000 miles away. Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet?
Wed Aug 24, 2016, 02:54 PM
Aug 2016

For comparison sake, here is a picture of earth taken by a rover on the surface of Mars, just 250,000,000 miles away:

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