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jpak

(41,757 posts)
Wed Aug 24, 2016, 04:06 PM Aug 2016

British woman, 21, stabbed to death at hostel in Australia by French national who yelled 'Allahu akb

Source: NY Daily News

A 21-year-old British woman was stabbed to death at a hostel in northeast Australia by a French national who shouted "Allahu akbar," authorities said.

Two men were also injured in the attack Tuesday night in the town of Home Hill, in northern Queensland. Mia Ayliffe-Chung was found dead at the scene, and a dog was also fatally wounded.

The 29-year-old suspect did not have any known links to ISIS and appeared to have acted alone, Queensland Police Deputy Commissioner Steve Gollschewski said Wednesday.

The French national shouted "Allahu akbar" — the Arabic phrase meaning "God is great" — both during the attack and while being arrested by police. He has not yet been charged, but police weren't looking for other suspects.

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Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/british-woman-stabbed-death-hostel-australia-article-1.2764023

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British woman, 21, stabbed to death at hostel in Australia by French national who yelled 'Allahu akb (Original Post) jpak Aug 2016 OP
I wonder get the red out Aug 2016 #1
Which two? Clearly, you missed the "The 29-year-old suspect...appeared to have acted alone..." part. xocet Aug 2016 #12
Syrian emergency rescue personnel yelled, "Allahu akbar" upon finding closeupready Aug 2016 #2
they pretty much yell that all the time. 7962 Aug 2016 #5
Much as the Christian west invokes "God" at seemingly every opportunity. LanternWaste Aug 2016 #6
But you get my point, yes, that since it's meaningless, the headline as written - closeupready Aug 2016 #7
Bias AGAINST Muslims? Not at all. Its reporting & exposing their actions. 7962 Aug 2016 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author closeupready Aug 2016 #18
Because it is salient. It points to motive. christx30 Aug 2016 #10
Do you know that? JackRiddler Aug 2016 #13
We wouldn't even know it happened, and it clearly wouldn't lead in the headline. Judi Lynn Aug 2016 #15
Yup. Part of why I've stopped engaging with bigots here. closeupready Aug 2016 #17
Not a terror attack, yet "extremism" investigated as one of the reasons 7962 Aug 2016 #21
Yeah that's super f-ing offensive thedeadchucken Aug 2016 #19
And you can find 100k videos showing them doing it too. 7962 Aug 2016 #22
My niece lives in Perth......... mrmpa Aug 2016 #3
Its bad they're French. The Aussies have really cracked down on muslim immigration. 7962 Aug 2016 #8
Presented with no comment. Angel Martin Aug 2016 #20
Excellent & accurate. 7962 Aug 2016 #23
That's not true at all... Violet_Crumble Aug 2016 #26
Perth is quite far away from Queensland treestar Aug 2016 #25
Quite far away is an understatement Violet_Crumble Aug 2016 #27
absolutely disgusting patsimp Aug 2016 #4
He knew her; it may have been an obsession muriel_volestrangler Aug 2016 #11
This does seem on the surface a crime of passion, not terrorism FrodosPet Aug 2016 #14
A little light on the subject surely helps. Thank you. n/t Judi Lynn Aug 2016 #16
The usual Islamophobes are coming out from under their rocks in this thread. Odin2005 Aug 2016 #24
And right-wing tabloids like the NY Daily News are really good at finding stories that make Muslims, pampango Aug 2016 #28
There are a lot of "liberals" who are really just ethnocentric authoritarians. Odin2005 Aug 2016 #29
The Daily News is not right wing melman Aug 2016 #30
Yes, the NY Daily news, humiliating Trump on a daily basis..... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2016 #31
I don't know about 99% of any group is good people... JackRiddler Aug 2016 #32

get the red out

(13,461 posts)
1. I wonder
Wed Aug 24, 2016, 04:14 PM
Aug 2016

I wonder if she rebuffed the attentions of either one of these assholes?

Wretched, murdering pair. Even killed some poor dog.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
2. Syrian emergency rescue personnel yelled, "Allahu akbar" upon finding
Wed Aug 24, 2016, 04:15 PM
Aug 2016

survivors after barrel bombs in Aleppo and elsewhere.



 

7962

(11,841 posts)
5. they pretty much yell that all the time.
Wed Aug 24, 2016, 05:30 PM
Aug 2016

They yell it when they shoot a gun, fire a mortar, blow up something, attack something, win something, have a child, put out a fire, you name it

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
6. Much as the Christian west invokes "God" at seemingly every opportunity.
Wed Aug 24, 2016, 05:41 PM
Aug 2016

Much as the Christian west invokes "God" at seemingly every opportunity. From "God bless" for a simple sneeze, to "God damn them all to hell" in iconic entertainment to the young couple upstairs yelling "oh God!" for three minutes every day at seven, to cheers and biblical passages at prime-time sporting events... again, you name it.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
7. But you get my point, yes, that since it's meaningless, the headline as written -
Wed Aug 24, 2016, 05:51 PM
Aug 2016

implying that "Allahu Akbar" expressed after a murder is salient - shows bias against muslims?

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
9. Bias AGAINST Muslims? Not at all. Its reporting & exposing their actions.
Wed Aug 24, 2016, 05:56 PM
Aug 2016

The actions of Jihadis almost always involve yelling "Allahu Akbar" as they do their vile deeds. It IS relevant.
This is just reporting that they've done it yet again.

Response to 7962 (Reply #9)

christx30

(6,241 posts)
10. Because it is salient. It points to motive.
Wed Aug 24, 2016, 06:34 PM
Aug 2016

If the killer had been screaming "merry Christmas" or used a racist term for Asians while stabbing her, that would have been reported. If a while guy screams "die n****r!!" while stabbing someone, that'd be in the headline.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
13. Do you know that?
Wed Aug 24, 2016, 10:04 PM
Aug 2016

What if a murderer assumed to be Christian had yelled, "Oh god!" while stabbing someone? Would that be in the headline? I wager there would be no headline and you would be hearing nothing of this case if the murderer had been an Australian assumed to be Christian.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-37171751

Police are treating the incident as a murder case, not a terror attack.

They are investigating a number of possible motivations, including drugs misuse, mental health issues and extremism.


Judi Lynn

(160,516 posts)
15. We wouldn't even know it happened, and it clearly wouldn't lead in the headline.
Wed Aug 24, 2016, 10:43 PM
Aug 2016

Some people don't seem to know or care they are being manipulated.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
17. Yup. Part of why I've stopped engaging with bigots here.
Wed Aug 24, 2016, 11:45 PM
Aug 2016

I mean, it's as if they think the internet is something new, or discussion boards. Been here, done it, not tangling with Islamophobes. Cheers, Judi.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
21. Not a terror attack, yet "extremism" investigated as one of the reasons
Thu Aug 25, 2016, 07:54 AM
Aug 2016

The obsession with trying to excuse these attacks is ridiculous.
And yes, if there was an attack where the killer was saying "God told me to do it" it WOULD be news. It has BEEN news when it does happen. Just like "the devil told me" makes news. Simply yelling "Oh God" doesnt mean anything.
The difference is that those acts arent condoned by mainstream leaders of that religion, nor are the attacks celebrated by those religious groups and their news outlets.

thedeadchucken

(3 posts)
19. Yeah that's super f-ing offensive
Wed Aug 24, 2016, 11:56 PM
Aug 2016

As someone with a significant Middle Eastern and North African ancestry who were Maronite Christian EVERYONE WHO SPEAKS ARABIC WILL SAY THAT--hell, its part of the Maronite mass in certain areas.

Great job turning a horrific murder into BS ethnic prejudice. I've been offended on this site before, but this was horrible.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
22. And you can find 100k videos showing them doing it too.
Thu Aug 25, 2016, 07:57 AM
Aug 2016

Merely stating the facts. Whenever they are carrying out some sort of terror attack, they're yelling it.
I have yet to see any stories of Maronite Christians carrying out any terror attacks while yelling it. Likely because they dont commit terror attacks.

mrmpa

(4,033 posts)
3. My niece lives in Perth.........
Wed Aug 24, 2016, 04:18 PM
Aug 2016

on the western coast of Australia. She will be home for a visit at the end of September & then returning. I have had many a worry for her being there.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
8. Its bad they're French. The Aussies have really cracked down on muslim immigration.
Wed Aug 24, 2016, 05:51 PM
Aug 2016

As well as "refugee" immigration. But a Frenchman wouldnt have as hard a time. They may have just been "visiting" too, and not living there

Violet_Crumble

(35,961 posts)
26. That's not true at all...
Thu Aug 25, 2016, 08:38 AM
Aug 2016

The Australian government has not 'cracked down on Muslim immigration'. As revolting as our conservative govt is they haven't singled out Muslims. Both sides of politics have a pretty crappy stance on refugees, but neither major party engage in discrimination based on religion.

The minor party that wants to ban Muslims, mosques, hijabs, Burkinis, and anything with the slightest whiff of halal is the One Nation party led by Pauline Hanson. You should google her. I suspect you'd like some of her ideas and would likely vote for her if you were Australian

Violet_Crumble

(35,961 posts)
27. Quite far away is an understatement
Thu Aug 25, 2016, 08:49 AM
Aug 2016

To put things in perspective for anyone in the US who hasn't been here, Indonesia, New Zealand and possibly some pacific islands are far closer to NE QLD than it is to Perth. It takes me just under 3 hours to get from Sydney to Auckland, but the time I went to Perth it took around 6 hours.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,306 posts)
11. He knew her; it may have been an obsession
Wed Aug 24, 2016, 06:51 PM
Aug 2016
The Frenchman accused of stabbing British backpacker Mia Ayliffe-Chung to death at a hostel in Queensland has been revealed as 29-year-old Smail Ayad.

The self-described boxer has been living in Australia since March on a temporary visa but lists his home in Thailand.

Police are said to be investigating whether he had a romantic obsession with Ms Ayliffe-Chung. He was friends with her on Facebook. Others present in the hostel told The Australian his behaviour changed drastically on Tuesday evening.

“Everybody has told us he was completely crazy, they couldn’t recognise him,” a French tourist told the paper.
“He said he wants to kill everybody … maybe there is ­alcohol and drugs involved.”

http://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/crime/woman-dead-after-stabbing-attack-in-home-hill-queensland/news-story/91afbeba8bb3fa6458486099cbb18087

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
14. This does seem on the surface a crime of passion, not terrorism
Wed Aug 24, 2016, 10:26 PM
Aug 2016

I suppose if you are going to go to jail anyhow, then throw in a "Allahu Akbar" and you can walk in the joint with instant friends and cred, instead of just being some loser who wouldn't take "No!" for an answer.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
28. And right-wing tabloids like the NY Daily News are really good at finding stories that make Muslims,
Thu Aug 25, 2016, 08:54 AM
Aug 2016

African Americans, Hispanics, gays and liberals look bad. Stoking fear of minorities and hatred for liberals are things they are very good at.

Some liberals seem to jump at the chance to post stories that stereotype these minorities as violent and dangerous, and neglect to remind us that 99% of the people in any race, gender, ethnic, sexual orientation or religious group are good people.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
29. There are a lot of "liberals" who are really just ethnocentric authoritarians.
Thu Aug 25, 2016, 09:04 AM
Aug 2016

You can see this in all the burkini threads.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
31. Yes, the NY Daily news, humiliating Trump on a daily basis.....
Thu Aug 25, 2016, 11:42 AM
Aug 2016

.....is a right wing rag.

Tell yourself whatever you need to....

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
32. I don't know about 99% of any group is good people...
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 09:36 PM
Aug 2016

But a lot fewer than 1% are murderers, at least not in person!

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