But of course as you can see by my sig line, healthcare shouldn't be for profit. But this is beyond beautiful for the Hospital to do.

In single payer, we ALL pay them. Through taxes or a government imposed and mandated insurance premium or likely both.

People at the hospital still need to be paid. Medicines, bandages, splints, beds, sheets, soap, paper towels, gloves, diagnostic equipment, building costs, utilities, and so on and so forth. They are an expensive proposition (except in Cuba, where the docs only make $25-$30 a day and for the most part the only people getting top end Havana health care are the party elite and the non-residents).

If there was justice in the world.

Maybe they could send a similar bill to the Islamic Association?

It can certainly be frustrating when someone expresses an opinion different than our own.

Even more frustrating is when we reduce ourselves to responding with simplicity petulance and false equivalencies when the object of our idolatry is belittled.

"Orlando Health will send bills for patients who had coverage to their health insurance companies, then write off anything not covered by their policies."

"Florida Hospital, which treated 12 clubgoers, will not bill the victims or their insurance companies for any treatment, according to the newspaper. Its total unreimbursed costs could exceed $525,000."

fresh air to start the day with this great-news story.

A different article I read stated that one of the survivors who didn't have insurance would have faced bills of about $20k for 7 hours of treatment he received. Unbelievable! He was jumping for joy at this news.

Hats off for this decision!

... or survivors of accidents, illnesses, MRIs, colonoscopies, etc.

Under single-payer, this fine decision would not have been necessary.

Maybe someday.

Meanwhile, congratulations to whoever made this decision across the Orlando hospital network.

You'd think they'd just say oh well insurance covers it.

after the insurance companies.

If the gun was used in such an incident OR ANY incident causing harm/death the Victim Insurance would cover costs. Kudos to the hospitals that are doing this. Glad to see compassion is still alive and kicking in our profit oriented America.

and "responsible" gun owners should have no problem with it.

I have two and my insurance agent isn't happy about it.

...under control.

My agent is more worried about my Truman-era wiring than my ten guns.

When 6 people were slain; 3 by a large knife, then 3 more by a gun. So what did MSM call the killing event? Why a "mass shooting," of course.

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Some killings are more cheap than others, or some other... "bullshit?"

Do you have links to where they are called mass shootings?

Mass shooting, Isla Vista Shooter, Shooting, etc. and similar. Some outlets call it a "massacre," but no "Machete Wielder" or some such. The focus is on the instrumentallity of shooting.

Incidentally, in Rwanda, ethnic Hutu committed genocide on the Tutsis, up to a million by most accounts, chiefly with Machetes. In very short order. Plenty of accounts, but a decent summary on The History Place site. It was planned, including the prior importation of massive numbers of the knives all out of proportion to farming/ag needs.

IMO, the "gun issue" is a proxy culture war between a fair nmber of people who have literally learned to hate each other with "righteous indignation" (Huxley expression). One side's "actions" are based on a social policy this culture is addicted with to a fine fault: Prohibition. We now have everybody's favorite group to hate, the NRA, smash-mouthing an "outlook" of gun control (it is hardly a movement as such would have highly active people in significant numbers with a broad base of financial wherewithal), much to the detriment of the Democratic Party as a whole, and "down-ballot" Party structure in specific. Frankly, being a lefty activist since the early 60s, I have never seen a period of moribund Party viability at local & state levels as I have now, chiefly (not exclusively) due to gun politics. Its as if the Party hs abandone whole swaths of the South and Flyover country. I hope this is of help.

And my point stands. In the vast majority of mass killings, it's a gun, because that's the only way that works.

quote bother me:


"Orlando Health has not sent any hospital or medical bills DIRECTLY to Pulse patients and WE don't intend to pursue reimbursement of medical costs from THEM,"

so, orlando health, going after their insurance companies, or planning on sending them to collection later?

That is what insurance is for. If somebody does not have insurance, they are not billing the person directly. They will eat that portion, and collect the insurance portion.

Compassion and a lack of crass greed is something, may it spread to places like a Wall Street.

who lost people in the attack, can I just say 'Thank you' for this!! My wife recently talked to 2 of her friends who were survivors of that night, & even with donations they were worried that they would not be able to pay the bills.

As I've mentioned elsewhere I drive by Pulse every day on my commute. I cannot tell you how much I've cried. How many times I've had to pull over to call my wife.

To know that our friends have this burden removed from the list of horrors they must carry with them makes me very proud of the city I frequently snark about.

Another thing to give great thanks to these hospitals is that they saved all the injured who came in.

Yes, they will be billed. All those who had insurance will be billed to the limits of whatever their insurance will cover. The rest have no assets compared to the tens or hundreds of thousands of medical costs. So they can't be billed. It is a lost cause and the hospitals are just trying to put out some feel good publicity.