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proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 07:29 PM Aug 2016

Federal judge denies injunction against California vaccination law for schoolchildren

Source: By Paul Sisson, Los Angeles Times

August 26, 2016, 3:15 PM PST

A federal judge has denied a request for a preliminary injunction against a new law that requires children in California’s public and private schools to be vaccinated unless they have a medical waiver from a licensed doctor.

In an order released Friday afternoon, U.S. District Judge Dana Sabraw in San Diego wrote that state Legislatures have “a long history of requiring children to be vaccinated as a condition to school enrollment, and for as many years, both state and federal courts have upheld those requirements against constitutional challenge.”

In July, a group of parents and advocacy groups filed a federal lawsuit asking for the injunction. It is trying to block the California law's elimination of personal belief exemptions, which previously allowed parents to enroll their children even if they weren't up-to-date on the full vaccination schedule as published by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Sabraw's ruling will allow the law to continue working as it has, but the group’s lawsuit against the state of California will continue. The plaintiffs include three families from San Diego County.



Read more: http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-california-vaccination-schools-20160826-snap-story.html



NOTE: Importantly, although omitted from MSM reports, SB277 also applies to infants entering daycare and children enrolling in preschool (public or private) in California.
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Federal judge denies injunction against California vaccination law for schoolchildren (Original Post) proverbialwisdom Aug 2016 OP
Good. LeftyMom Aug 2016 #1
Another victory over woo. HERVEPA Aug 2016 #2
I don't think this thread is going how the OP hoped. LeftyMom Aug 2016 #9
You think? N/t Godhumor Aug 2016 #14
hahhaha me either! obamanut2012 Aug 2016 #35
This is a very good ruling. procon Aug 2016 #3
Bill and signing statement here. proverbialwisdom Aug 2016 #20
Besides Home schools, HockeyMom Aug 2016 #23
Good. This will save lives. nt SunSeeker Aug 2016 #4
Good. Recursion Aug 2016 #5
We have lost our memory of how it used to be central scrutinizer Aug 2016 #6
True this. lindysalsagal Aug 2016 #7
True. People ignorant of history treestar Aug 2016 #15
Yes, ignorance of history can cut both ways. proverbialwisdom Aug 2016 #25
A friend of mine had Hepatitis B. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2016 #28
Did this go through? treestar Aug 2016 #42
Only a handful of the 31 nations in the EU follow the US CDC Hep B infant schedule. Wonder why? (nt) proverbialwisdom Aug 2016 #44
Mumps got me bad. hunter Aug 2016 #16
Off topic, but FYI. proverbialwisdom Aug 2016 #22
You have it exacly right Danmel Aug 2016 #43
Nonsense. proverbialwisdom Aug 2016 #45
Good. nt msanthrope Aug 2016 #8
Good. Starry Messenger Aug 2016 #10
Excellent! MicaelS Aug 2016 #11
Good tammywammy Aug 2016 #12
Common sense prevails over bullshit Godhumor Aug 2016 #13
Not an idiocracy yet, at least in this U.S. judicial district. Unit 001 Aug 2016 #17
If we all had more confidence in the FDA. Delmette Aug 2016 #18
Ridiculous. stopbush Aug 2016 #26
anti vaxx nonsense obamanut2012 Aug 2016 #37
Check it out. proverbialwisdom Aug 2016 #19
Jay Gordon diagnosed a child with an AIDS associated pneumonia with an ear infection LeftyMom Aug 2016 #21
Yikes. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2016 #29
He's a crackpot joeybee12 Aug 2016 #24
Nope! nt longship Aug 2016 #32
Likely a life-saving decision. nt Ilsa Aug 2016 #27
So very excellent. tymorial Aug 2016 #30
Good! If you can't vaccinate your kid, keep them away from endangering others. onecaliberal Aug 2016 #31
Here's one way that CA SB277 is illogical in a cartoon. proverbialwisdom Aug 2016 #33
You embrace the logic of cartoons, yet are currently denying the logic of science, medicine LanternWaste Aug 2016 #40
That's ridiculous. The cartoon is factual and succinctly demonstrates the absurdity of SB277. proverbialwisdom Aug 2016 #41
I'm sure OP is devastated by this sensible ruling. Odin2005 Aug 2016 #34
GOOD obamanut2012 Aug 2016 #36
Doctors can issue waivers if need be. KittyWampus Aug 2016 #38
Yes but NOT because parents want them to, it has to be a legit reason. onecaliberal Aug 2016 #39
8/29/16: American Academy of Pediatrics Publishes New Policies to Boost Child Immunization Rates proverbialwisdom Aug 2016 #46

procon

(15,805 posts)
3. This is a very good ruling.
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 08:01 PM
Aug 2016

I went to school in So Cal and so did my kids, and everyone had to be vaccinated back in the day. I remember how badly me, my brothers and sister suffered through one childhood disease after another before vaccines were available for them all. It was terrible and I would hate to see a little kid go through that pain when its so needless.

Its reckless and dangerous to do anything less, not just for the unfortunate children of these anti-vax parents, but everyone else -- children and adults -- they may come in contact with.

With daycare, I wonder if that includes religious groups as well?

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
23. Besides Home schools,
Sun Aug 28, 2016, 06:56 AM
Aug 2016

the only schools exempt would be those on Native Lands. Sovereign Nations. Religious schools would not be exempt if the Religious Exemption was taken away.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
5. Good.
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 09:08 PM
Aug 2016

A couple of years in the developing world deprived me of whatever patience I used to have for these dangerous cultists. To hell with their idiocy: vaccinate the children.

central scrutinizer

(11,636 posts)
6. We have lost our memory of how it used to be
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 09:28 PM
Aug 2016

I went to a family reunion a few years ago. My ancestors came to Nebraska from Germany in the 1850s. Different branches of the family pulled out their family trees. Pretty much every family had lost children to childhood diseases. One couple had nine children. Only two lived to adulthood. Even diseases that were conquered late seem to have faded from our consciousness. I am 66 and I remember the girl who lived behind us had had polio and walked only with great difficulty.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
15. True. People ignorant of history
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 12:25 PM
Aug 2016

it seems, have no idea why these laws came into being and what a good thing the vaccines are.

proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
25. Yes, ignorance of history can cut both ways.
Sun Aug 28, 2016, 06:43 PM
Aug 2016
http://www.nytimes.com/1991/03/01/us/us-panel-urges-that-all-children-be-vaccinated-for-hepatitis-b.html

U.S. Panel Urges That All Children Be Vaccinated for Hepatitis B

By GINA KOLATA
Published: March 1, 1991


Frustrated by the widespread reluctance of adults to be vaccinated against hepatitis B, a leading cause of serious illness and death, a Federal panel has recommended that all children be vaccinated instead.

It is the first time that the Immunization Practices Advisory Committee of the Public Health Service has recommended vaccinating children for a disease whose victims are almost always adults.

Although the committee cannot compel parents to have their children vaccinated, state health officials normally require schoolchildren to be immunized according to its guidelines.

A vaccine for hepatitis B was licensed a decade ago, but it has found little use, even among health workers, drug users, the sexually promiscuous and others at high risk of developing the disease. Since most Americans who get hepatitis B are infected as teen-agers or adults, the benefits of a hepatitis vaccine program will not be apparent for about 20 years.

A New Approach

"This approach to immunize children to prevent a serious chronic adult disease has never been tried before," said Dr. Harold Margolis, the chief of the hepatitis branch at the Federal Centers for Disease Control.

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http://vaccine-schedule.ecdc.europa.eu/Pages/Scheduler.aspx
SEARCH BY TARGET DISEASE (31 EU countries): Age group "Child," "Recommended immunisations for hepatitis B"



Hassin Bin Sober

(26,311 posts)
28. A friend of mine had Hepatitis B.
Sun Aug 28, 2016, 07:06 PM
Aug 2016

It was before I met him. It came up in conversation one day and he told me what he went through.

I ran, not walked, to my doc and got vaccinated.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
42. Did this go through?
Mon Aug 29, 2016, 04:33 PM
Aug 2016

I imagine the argument is that it will protect them when they are adults? Is it a one time vaccine? This is just arguing about details within the system.

hunter

(38,301 posts)
16. Mumps got me bad.
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 01:22 PM
Aug 2016

I'm glad my own kids didn't have to suffer that.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mumps

Most anti-vaccine cultists don't know what they are missing.

My dad remembers summers when parents were afraid to let their children out of the house because of polio.

Some of my schoolmate's parents, aunts, and uncles had been severely damaged by polio.

I'm on the autistic spectrum somewhere, with an Outback Onion Blossom side order of mental illness, but I know damned well it's not because of vaccines. Quite a few of my pre-vaccine ancestors were just like me.

My wife and I made sure our kids were vaccinated, and it wasn't always easy because we had no money at the time and had to navigate the public health system, waiting for the vaccines an hour or two with other families in the clinic's hallway, not even enough chairs for everyone.

Keeping unvaccinated kids out of school helps, but we've also got to figure out what's wrong with our society that certain people won't vaccinate their kids.

Maybe you can understand it in other nations, as when morons in the CIA used vaccination clinics as a means of infiltration, so maybe a lesser sort of that thing is happening here in the U.S.A.. The money-grubbing captains of the pharmaceutical industry and the FDA that regulates them do not inspire confidence. We ought to pass some laws that discourage the worst sorts of behavior by the pharmaceutical industry, and it might be inspiring to see a few big pharm executives thrown into prison and the companies they run shut down in the same manner as rotten banks.


proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
45. Nonsense.
Mon Aug 29, 2016, 10:20 PM
Aug 2016
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2016/03/17/peds.2015-4230

Pediatrics
March 2016, VOLUME 137 / ISSUE 3

Childhood Vaccine Exemption Policy: The Case for a Less Restrictive Alternative
Douglas J. Opel, Matthew P. Kronman, Douglas S. Diekema, Edgar K. Marcuse, Jeffrey S. Duchin, Eric Kodish


Abbreviations: MV — measles vaccine, NME — nonmedical exemption, VPD — vaccine-preventable disease

Efforts to restrict parents’ ability to exempt children from receiving vaccinations required for school entry have recently reached a pinnacle. The American Medical Association voiced support for eliminating nonmedical exemptions (NMEs) from school vaccine requirements,1 and California enacted legislation doing so.2 Although laudable in their objective, policies eliminating NMEs from all vaccines are scientifically and ethically problematic. In the present article, we argue for an exemption policy that eliminates NMEs just for the measles vaccine (MV) and is pursued only after other less restrictive approaches have been implemented and deemed unsuccessful.

Published By American Academy of Pediatrics
Copyright © 2016 by the American Academy of Pediatrics

Author Information: Douglas J. Opel, MD, MPHa,b, Matthew P. Kronman, MD, MSCEb, Douglas S. Diekema, MD, MPHa,b,c, Edgar K. Marcuse, MD, MPHb, Jeffrey S. Duchin, MDd,e,f, and Eric Kodish, MDg

aTreuman Katz Center for Pediatric Bioethics, Seattle Children’s Research Institute, and
bDepartments of Pediatrics and
dMedicine, University of Washington School of Medicine, Seattle, Washington;
cDepartments of Health Services and
eEpidemiology, University of Washington School of Public Health, Seattle, Washington;
fCommunicable Disease Epidemiology and Immunization Section, Public Health–Seattle and King County, Seattle, Washington; and
gDepartment of Bioethics, Center for Ethics, Humanities and Spiritual Care, Cleveland Clinic, Cleveland, Ohio

Dr Opel conceptualized and designed the study and drafted the initial manuscript; and Drs Kronman, Diekema, Marcuse, Duchin, and Kodish reviewed and revised the manuscript. All authors approved the final manuscript as submitted and agree to be accountable for all aspects of the work.

http://www.acog.org/Resources-And-Publications/Committee-Opinions/Committee-on-Ethics/Refusal-of-Medically-Recommended-Treatment-During-Pregnancy

OB/GYN Group Says Pregnant Women Have Right to Informed Consent and Refusal of Doctor Recommendations

1. The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists. Refusal of Medically Recommended Treatment During Pregnancy.
ACOG.org No. 664, June 2016.

2. McClain L. New ACOG Statement Says Forcing Treatment on Pregnant Women is Unethical.
Mothering June 10, 2016.

http://file.scirp.org/html/22932.html

Open Journal of Pediatrics, 2012, 2, 228-235

OJPed http://dx.doi.org/10.4236/ojped.2012.23036
Published Online September 2012 http://www.SciRP.org/journal/ojped/

Vaccination practices among physicians and their children

Michael Martin1, Vahe Badalyan2

1Department of Pediatrics, Inova Fairfax Hospital for Children, Falls Church, USA
2Department of Gastroenterology, Children’s National Medical Center, Washington DC, USA


Received 1 May 2012; revised 3 July 2012; accepted 30 July 2012

ABSTRACT

The purpose of this study was to identify vaccination patterns of both general pediatricians and subspecialists with regards to their own children and projected progeny. A 14 question survey was sent randomly to 1000 members of the Academy of Pediatrics in 2009. Two categories of questions included 1) how physicians with children vaccinated them in the past, and 2) how all respondents would vaccinate a child in 2009. A comparison was made between the answers of general and specialty pediatricians. 582 valid questionnaires were received (58.2% response rate) of which 431 were general pediatricians and 151 sub-specialists. No statistical difference was found between general and specialty pediatricians on how they vaccinated their children up until 2009 (95% vs 93%). When asked about vaccinating a future child, a significant proportion of respondents would deviate from CDC guidelines, specialists more than general pediatricians (21% vs 9%). Generalists were more likely to give a future child Hepatitis A (OR: 3.6; 95% CI 1.3 - 10.4), Rotavirus (OR: 2.2; 95% CI 1.1 - 4.4), Meningococcal (OR: 9.9; 95% CI 3.3 - 29.9), and influenza (OR: 5.4; 95% CI 1.1 - 26.7) vaccines. Specialists were more likely to postpone MMR vaccination (OR: 4.4 95% CI 2.3 - 8.6). Safety was listed by both groups as the most common reason for altering the recommended immunization schedule. Until 2009, general pediatricians and pediatric specialists have largely adhered to ACIP recommendations, but due to vaccine safety and other concerns, both groups, albeit a higher percentage of specialists, reported greater numbers willing to diverge from these recommendations.

Misc: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141392809#post38

Delmette

(522 posts)
18. If we all had more confidence in the FDA.
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 01:51 PM
Aug 2016

If we all had more confidence in the FDA'S approval of so many other drugs that end up killing or disabling people because they are in the back pocket of drug companies.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
21. Jay Gordon diagnosed a child with an AIDS associated pneumonia with an ear infection
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 03:43 PM
Aug 2016

and sent her home to drown in her own fluids, so maybe he's not a good source of expertise. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliza_Jane_Scovill#AIDS_diagnosis_and_death

onecaliberal

(32,776 posts)
31. Good! If you can't vaccinate your kid, keep them away from endangering others.
Sun Aug 28, 2016, 07:50 PM
Aug 2016

Too bad they're still a public health risk.

proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
33. Here's one way that CA SB277 is illogical in a cartoon.
Mon Aug 29, 2016, 01:55 AM
Aug 2016

htt ps://pb s.twimg.com/media/CEGU2IUVAAA0k3Y.jpg

C+P and delete spaces.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
40. You embrace the logic of cartoons, yet are currently denying the logic of science, medicine
Mon Aug 29, 2016, 01:41 PM
Aug 2016

You embrace the logic of cartoons, yet are currently denying the logic of science, medicine and peer-review. Hence, I'm not very confident you understand what the word 'logic' actually means.

proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
41. That's ridiculous. The cartoon is factual and succinctly demonstrates the absurdity of SB277.
Mon Aug 29, 2016, 02:11 PM
Aug 2016
RELEVANT COPY FROM CARTOON:
[center]I have Hep B. I am allowed to attend private or public school (or daycare).

I am not sure of my vaccination history, but I did not receive Hep B. I can teach in school (or work in daycare).

I am vaccinated for all required vaccinations except Hep B. Under SB277 I would not be allowed to attend school (or daycare).[/center]


proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
46. 8/29/16: American Academy of Pediatrics Publishes New Policies to Boost Child Immunization Rates
Tue Aug 30, 2016, 01:55 AM
Aug 2016
https://www.aap.org/en-us/about-the-aap/aap-press-room/Pages/American-Academy-of-Pediatrics-Publishes-New-Policies-to-Boost-Child-Immunization-Rates.aspx

American Academy of Pediatrics Publishes New Policies to Boost Child Immunization Rates

8/29/2016


AAP offers advice for pediatricians in counseling families to vaccinate their children; urges states to enact policies to support high immunization rates

Elk Grove Village, IL – Most parents who are hesitant about vaccines are not opposed to immunizing their children, but rather are unsure or have questions. And the best source of answers is their pediatrician.

To equip pediatricians for these conversations, the American Academy of Pediatrics is publishing a new clinical report, "Countering Vaccine Hesitancy" in the September 2016 Pediatrics (published online Aug. 29). The AAP advises pediatricians to have compassionate dialogues with parents to clear up misconceptions around vaccines, provide accurate information about the safety and importance of vaccines, and strive over time to help parents make the decision to vaccinate their child.

To protect all children in every community, the AAP also urges state governments to enact policies that will result in high immunization rates. In the policy statement, "Medical Versus Nonmedical Immunization Exemptions for Child Care and School Attendance​," published the same day, the AAP recommends only medical exemptions be allowed for vaccine requirements for child care and school attendance.

“Parents, pediatricians, and policy-makers all have a role here in protecting children from diseases like measles and whooping cough,” said AAP President Benard P. Dreyer, MD, FAAP. “As pediatricians, we care about every individual child in our practices, and we know that vaccines are an important way to protect them from disease. We also care about the broader communities where our patients live, play and learn, and high immunization rates are critical to keeping disease outbreaks at bay. No child should have to suffer through a disease that could have been prevented by a vaccine.”

According to the AAP, non-medical exemption laws have failed.

<>

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2016/08/25/peds.2016-2146
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2016/08/25/peds.2016-2145
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