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riversedge

(69,731 posts)
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 01:37 AM Aug 2016

Donald Trump to Visit Mexico After More Than a Year of Mocking It

Source: nytimes




Donald Trump to Visit Mexico After More Than a Year of Mocking It


By NICK CORASANITI and AZAM AHMED

August 30, 2016

Donald J. Trump will visit Mexico on Wednesday for a private meeting with President Enrique Peña Nieto — a trip that will take him to a nation he has repeatedly scorned — before quickly flying back for what is billed as a major immigration speech in Arizona.
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The Mexican president’s office said Mr. Peña Nieto had sent invitations last week to both Mr. Trump and Hillary Clinton. The negotiations for both trips were first reported by The Washington Post. Mrs. Clinton’s campaign would not comment Tuesday on whether she had received the invitation.

Mr. Peña Nieto is reaching out to Mr. Trump in the face of the Republican candidate’s antagonistic attitude toward Mexico in his policies and campaign rallies. He has said many Mexican immigrants who enter the United States illegally are rapists, and he has repeatedly insisted that Mexico will pay for his proposed wall along the southern United States border.

He is widely reviled in Mexico, where the wall proposal has revived deep grievances over sovereignty and respect that have historically dogged Mexico’s relationship with the United States.

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Read more: http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/08/31/us/politics/donald-trump-mexico-enrique-pena-nieto.html





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Gideon Resnick ?@GideonResnick 2h2 hours ago

pretty great headline here http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/08/31/us/politics/donald-trump-mexico-enrique-pena-nieto.html

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Donald Trump to Visit Mexico After More Than a Year of Mocking It (Original Post) riversedge Aug 2016 OP
"I'm here to measure you for your wall!!!" MADem Aug 2016 #1
OMG sarae Aug 2016 #9
Maybe he wants lots of Mexicans demonstrating against him in Mexico. applegrove Aug 2016 #2
Obama is going to have border patrol gwheezie Aug 2016 #3
Good one. riversedge Aug 2016 #19
Do it! I'll back you up. Tell them Trump is locked out and Lint Head Aug 2016 #21
How many electoral votes does Drumpf think Mexico has? 4bucksagallon Aug 2016 #4
Am I silly to worry about this? radical noodle Aug 2016 #5
No trick. Trump really is this stupid. randome Aug 2016 #14
Thanks! radical noodle Aug 2016 #22
he better have good security olddad56 Aug 2016 #6
Why would Mexico's President let Trump use him for a political stunt? SunSeeker Aug 2016 #7
The President's own popularity is very low at the moment. Maybe he hopes it will help him pnwmom Aug 2016 #8
So Pena Nieto is Mexico's Dubya? nt SunSeeker Aug 2016 #12
He could be wanting to trash him for popularity points in Mexico duncang Aug 2016 #11
QUICK while he is there put up a wall! whistler162 Aug 2016 #10
Art of the Deal bucolic_frolic Aug 2016 #13
It's a sure bet that many in Mexico are excited about this opportunity. n/t jtuck004 Aug 2016 #15
Last night when this broke on Twitter, I read another article that said Hill had accepted also - Native Aug 2016 #16
Is this Satire or Sarcasm? Cryptoad Aug 2016 #17
Only Trump could go to Mexico AngryAmish Aug 2016 #18
And he's taking The 'A' Team: Giuliani and Sessions. trof Aug 2016 #20

applegrove

(118,023 posts)
2. Maybe he wants lots of Mexicans demonstrating against him in Mexico.
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 01:41 AM
Aug 2016

After all Trump at war was the way his base learnt to love him. Maybe he thinks people will get out of his visit what they want: Republicans wary of Trump will see him talking to the president of Mexico, Trump's rabid base will see him sticking his finger in Mexico's eye?

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
3. Obama is going to have border patrol
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 01:41 AM
Aug 2016

Stop him from coming back. I think I'll go over to freeperville and warn them.

Lint Head

(15,064 posts)
21. Do it! I'll back you up. Tell them Trump is locked out and
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 10:45 AM
Aug 2016

Obama has started door to door gun confiscation.

radical noodle

(7,990 posts)
5. Am I silly to worry about this?
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 02:08 AM
Aug 2016

Trump is such a con man, such a manipulator, I can't help but wonder if this is some sort of trick he has planned. He just scares me to death. They had a little bit of his rally tonight and I couldn't help hearing a side of this country that frightens me.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
14. No trick. Trump really is this stupid.
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 07:16 AM
Aug 2016
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/can-trump-be-this-stupid-not-a-trick-question

It's a general rule of politics not to enter into unpredictable situations or cede control of an event or happening to someone who wants to hurt you. President Nieto definitely does not want Donald Trump to become President. He probably assumes he won't become president, simply by reading the polls. President Nieto is himself quite unpopular at the moment. But no one is more unpopular than Donald Trump. Trump is reviled. Toadying to Trump would be extremely bad politics; standing up to him, good politics.

Put those factors together and Peña Nieto has massive and overlapping reasons to want to embarrass Trump. At a minimum since he's probably not eager to create a true international incident, he has zero interest in appearing in any way accommodating or helpful. The calculus might be different if Trump seemed likely to be the next US President. Mexico is a minor power with the world colossus on its doorstep. But a Trump presidency seems unlikely. Far likelier, Peña Nieto will need to build a relationship with Hillary Clinton. These factors combined make for an inherently dangerous political situation for Donald Trump, especially since the atmospherics of this meeting will be the backdrop for Trump's evening speech which is itself an incredibly important moment and one in which he has set for himself what is likely an impossible challenge.

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SunSeeker

(51,378 posts)
7. Why would Mexico's President let Trump use him for a political stunt?
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 02:29 AM
Aug 2016

This meeting can only help Trump. It is certainly not in Mexico's interests. Why the fuck would Pena Nieto help Trump out by giving him foreign policy credibility?



pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
8. The President's own popularity is very low at the moment. Maybe he hopes it will help him
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 04:46 AM
Aug 2016

if he can present himself as having gotten concessions from Trump.

duncang

(1,907 posts)
11. He could be wanting to trash him for popularity points in Mexico
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 05:18 AM
Aug 2016

I know this wouldn't happen even if there were a problem. But I'd love to see dipshit held/arrested for something from his Baja resort failure. As far as I know it was completely settled but it would be nice to see some warrant sitting in the background for him.

Native

(5,935 posts)
16. Last night when this broke on Twitter, I read another article that said Hill had accepted also -
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 09:11 AM
Aug 2016

a date for that meeting just hadn't been set yet.

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