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muriel_volestrangler

(101,311 posts)
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 12:46 PM Aug 2016

Dilma Rousseff impeached by Brazilian senate

Source: The Guardian

Brazil’s first female president Dilma Rousseff has been thrown out of office by the country’s corruption-tainted senate after a gruelling impeachment trial that ends 13 years of Workers’ party rule.

Following a crushing 61 to 20 defeat in the upper house, she will be replaced for the remaining two years and three months of her term by Michel Temer, a centre-right patrician who was among the leaders of the conspiracy against his former running mate.

Despite never losing an election, Rousseff – who first won power in 2010 – has seen her support among the public and in congress diminish as a result of a sharp economic decline, government paralysis and a massive bribery scandal that has implicated almost all the major parties.

For more than 10 months, the leftist leader has fought efforts to impeach her for frontloading funds for government social programmes and issuing spending budget decrees without congressional approval ahead of her reelection in 2014. The opposition claimed that these constituted a “crime of responsibility”. Rousseff denies this and claims the charges – which were never levelled at previous administrations who did the same thing – have been trumped up by opponents who were unable to accept the Workers’ party’s victory.



Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/31/dilma-rousseff-impeached-president-brazilian-senate-michel-temer

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Dilma Rousseff impeached by Brazilian senate (Original Post) muriel_volestrangler Aug 2016 OP
Seriously fucked up maxsolomon Aug 2016 #1
Compilation thread in GD: Coyotl Aug 2016 #7
Oligarchs usually win. lark Aug 2016 #2
They're all corrupt ansible Aug 2016 #3
That's how it works. NWCorona Aug 2016 #5
Both World Cup and Olympics were awarded before she was President muriel_volestrangler Aug 2016 #6
Hm, I know she was implicated in bribes for these events. lark Aug 2016 #9
She did not take bribes. She has never been charged with that. Judi Lynn Aug 2016 #20
I didn't say that information came from the post. lark Sep 2016 #37
better to get impeached for feeding people DonCoquixote Aug 2016 #11
Yes, they were looking for any excuse to remove her and whatever suffragette Aug 2016 #28
It took them 14 years to overthrow the will of the people this time. Coyotl Aug 2016 #8
Surely hope there will be a reaction they don't expect or want. They earned it. n/t Judi Lynn Aug 2016 #26
what a fucking disgrace, but you know this fate awaits Hillary too, if the GOP holds onto the Senate Fast Walker 52 Aug 2016 #4
Big difference: I bet they won't show their bags of cocaine on national television. Coyotl Aug 2016 #10
OMG!!! In the video, sure looks like some sort of drug... no way sugar would be in a sac like that Fast Walker 52 Aug 2016 #12
Not impeached. Convicted. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2016 #13
How depressing it all is LeftishBrit Aug 2016 #14
One bunch of dirty bullies declared war upon a woman who had given so much of her life already Judi Lynn Aug 2016 #15
Thank you for your input and the additional information /nt think Aug 2016 #21
"a crushing 61 to 20 defeat in the upper house" FLPanhandle Aug 2016 #16
Brazil has always had a vicious, powerful fascist right-wing ever since the US-supported Judi Lynn Aug 2016 #19
But they must have been voted in? FLPanhandle Aug 2016 #22
Rick Scott is governor of Florida. For the record: I voted for Crist. But still here we are.... think Aug 2016 #23
Yep, the US isn't alone in voting in the right wing wackos. FLPanhandle Aug 2016 #24
He and his wife are quite the team anymore... think Aug 2016 #25
Unfortunately, Blue_Tires Aug 2016 #17
That wasn't her defense, as you should know. n/t Judi Lynn Aug 2016 #18
I guess you weren't listening to the proceeding. Coyotl Sep 2016 #30
I heard that on NPR today killbotfactory Sep 2016 #33
The NYT has a thorough recap: Blue_Tires Aug 2016 #27
The Latest: Rousseff supporters smash windows in Brazil Judi Lynn Aug 2016 #29
Possible motive. moondust Sep 2016 #31
Sounds very likely LeftishBrit Sep 2016 #39
Telesur in Spanish has good coverage. Twitter too. Three ambassoders withdrawn already. Coyotl Sep 2016 #32
They're not alone, either. The rest of us know, as well. Judi Lynn Sep 2016 #34
Those 3 have problems of their own, especially Venezuela Marksman_91 Sep 2016 #35
Time for Trump to visit Brazil, then! randome Sep 2016 #36
Brazil’s Dilma Rousseff, a Woman of Honor, Confronts Senate of Scoundrels Judi Lynn Sep 2016 #38

lark

(23,097 posts)
2. Oligarchs usually win.
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 12:58 PM
Aug 2016

Rousseff isn't without blame, not at all. She should have never signed up for the World Cup and Olympics, it was a really bad decision which greatly hurt the country. However, that's not why she's being impeached, she's impeached because the rich people weren't getting what they want, too many rules (according to them) were passed to protect workers that reduced their obscene profits. That's why she's going with the Olympics and other charges as window dressing. My son in law is Brazilian and is very saddened by this and what the strife is doing to his country.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
5. That's how it works.
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 01:26 PM
Aug 2016

Don't play the game and odds are that come next cycle you'll get zero party support. Even if your policies follow the party line.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,311 posts)
6. Both World Cup and Olympics were awarded before she was President
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 01:29 PM
Aug 2016
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rio_de_Janeiro_bid_for_the_2016_Summer_Olympics#Election
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_FIFA_World_Cup#Host_selection

Backing out of the commitment wouldn't have done the country's reputation any good (who knows, that could have been used as an excuse for impeachment too).

lark

(23,097 posts)
9. Hm, I know she was implicated in bribes for these events.
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 01:41 PM
Aug 2016

I thought that she was also responsible for them coming to Brazil, but obviously I misunderstood. I apologize.

Judi Lynn

(160,525 posts)
20. She did not take bribes. She has never been charged with that.
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 06:27 PM
Aug 2016

Take some time to reread the article.

lark

(23,097 posts)
37. I didn't say that information came from the post.
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 12:28 PM
Sep 2016

My son-in-law is Brazilian, been in the US for not quite 2 years, and that's what he told me.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
11. better to get impeached for feeding people
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 01:58 PM
Aug 2016

than to kiss oligarch ass and still get hated. Keep in mind, she could not attend the world cup because people would scream racial slurs loud enough to be caught on camera.

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
28. Yes, they were looking for any excuse to remove her and whatever
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 10:46 PM
Aug 2016

she did would have been twisted into cause to impeach her.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
8. It took them 14 years to overthrow the will of the people this time.
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 01:37 PM
Aug 2016

And there will be hell to pay for them this time too.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
10. Big difference: I bet they won't show their bags of cocaine on national television.
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 01:49 PM
Aug 2016
"When we think we've seen everything in politics in Brazil, we have a senator who brings cocaine to the plenary session."

Must see video here.

Cocaine or Sugar? Brazil Debates Senator's Bag of White Powder


Social media users are discussing whether a Brazilian senator has a sweet tooth or drug problem.

A video that was published Tuesday shows a Brazilian senator shaking a bag of white powder during Dilma Rousseff’s impeachment defense, sparking debate on the origin of the substance.

The video was taken Monday, when suspended President Rousseff addressed the Senate in her impeachment trial. Dilma’s defense was broadcast live throughout the country.

As Rousseff answered Senator’s Aloysio Nunes questions regarding the charges against her, the camera spotted another senator in the back shaking a small bag of white powder.

Only the hand of the unknown senator can be seen while it holds the substance. The video has created a stir on social media. ..........


 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
12. OMG!!! In the video, sure looks like some sort of drug... no way sugar would be in a sac like that
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 03:19 PM
Aug 2016

LeftishBrit

(41,205 posts)
14. How depressing it all is
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 05:00 PM
Aug 2016

Probably everyone is to some extent implicated in corruption;but I suspect no, I am sure - that her opponents are much more so than she is, and that it's basically a machination to get the left out of power.

And we just know that the Republicans will take this as impetus for trying to do the same to Hillary Clinton if she wins, just as they attempted with Bill.

Judi Lynn

(160,525 posts)
15. One bunch of dirty bullies declared war upon a woman who had given so much of her life already
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 05:29 PM
Aug 2016

to the struggle to make her country a place where the enormous mass of poor, downtrodden, locked out people could find a way to safer lives with adequate shelter, food, water, electricity, education, medical treatment, and HOPE.

They are from a decadent, diseased, entitled world which has historically abused those Dilma Rousseff has worked her whole life to protect. Anyone with half a brain would recognize Dilma, a woman who endured imprisonment and gained a reputation in prison for her ability to withstand torture is NOT a woman who was in the struggle for profit, and she wouldn't have already given so much of herself by now to throw it away by becoming dirty like them. Everyone knows she is heroic, always has been.

From the original article posted above:

Her lawyer, José Eduardo Cardozo, said the charges were trumped up to punish the president’s support for a huge corruption investigation that has snared many of Brazil’s elite. This follows secret recordings of Romero Jucá, the majority leader of the senate and a key Temer ally, plotting to remove the president to halt the Lava Jato (car wash) investigation into kickbacks at state oil company Petrobras.

While Rousseff was in the upper chamber, her critics heard her in respectful silence. But in a final session in her absence on Tuesday, they lined up to condemn her. As in an earlier lower house impeachment debate, the senators – many of whom are accused of far greater crimes – clearly revelled in the spotlight of their ten-minute declarations. Reflecting the growing power of rightwing evangelism, many invoked the name of God. One cited Winston Churchill. Another sang. Another appeared to be in tears.


Workers’ party senator Lindbergh Farias said the president’s accusers were cowards. “It’s amazing how everyone who didn’t have the gall to look Dilma in the eyes, spoke so bravely today in her absence,” he tweeted.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
16. "a crushing 61 to 20 defeat in the upper house"
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 05:34 PM
Aug 2016

How did her party lose so many seats that the opposition had 61-20 advantage?

Judi Lynn

(160,525 posts)
19. Brazil has always had a vicious, powerful fascist right-wing ever since the US-supported
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 06:25 PM
Aug 2016

military dictatorship.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
22. But they must have been voted in?
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 06:58 PM
Aug 2016

They weren't appointed. Somehow the people of Brazil voted for this government.

Maybe they are as willfully stupid as US voters voting in Republican majorities in the House and Senate.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
23. Rick Scott is governor of Florida. For the record: I voted for Crist. But still here we are....
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 07:21 PM
Aug 2016

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
24. Yep, the US isn't alone in voting in the right wing wackos.
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 07:23 PM
Aug 2016

I hate Rick Scott with every bone in my body.

killbotfactory

(13,566 posts)
33. I heard that on NPR today
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 01:31 AM
Sep 2016

Whether the charges leading to her impeachment had merit or not, I did not hear.

Judi Lynn

(160,525 posts)
29. The Latest: Rousseff supporters smash windows in Brazil
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 11:11 PM
Aug 2016

The Latest: Rousseff supporters smash windows in Brazil

Updated 8:53 pm, Wednesday, August 31, 2016

BRASILIA, Brazil (AP) — The Latest on the impeachment trial of Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff (all times local):

10:50 p.m.

Unhappy with Dilma Rousseff's ouster, a group of Brazilians smashed windows of bank branches, other businesses and a police SUV in the city of Sao Paulo.

Anti-riot police tried to quell the demonstration that began in one of the city's main avenues with stun grenades and tear gas. The protest turned violent right after new leader Michel Temer addressed the nation in a televised message. It's not clear whether anyone was injured in the clashes.

. . .

Earlier around the same area, a group of people cut cake and drank sparkling wine to celebrate the change in power.

More:
http://www.chron.com/news/world/article/The-Latest-Vote-nears-on-whether-to-remove-9194973.php#photo-10858035

moondust

(19,975 posts)
31. Possible motive.
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 12:22 AM
Sep 2016
...let me remind you that many of the senators in Brazil are under investigation for corruption, for bribery, something Dilma Rousseff has never been implicated in.

http://www.npr.org/2016/08/28/491726855/impeachment-trial-begins-for-suspended-brazilian-president-dilma-rousseff

Apparently the large gang of corrupt senators may be planning to stop the investigation before it does them in.
 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
32. Telesur in Spanish has good coverage. Twitter too. Three ambassoders withdrawn already.
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 12:29 AM
Sep 2016

Ecuador, Venezuela & Bolivia have recalled their ambassadors. They all know progressive regimes are under assault by the oligarchs.

Judi Lynn

(160,525 posts)
34. They're not alone, either. The rest of us know, as well.
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 08:13 AM
Sep 2016

Good luck to these three. They have constantly been harassed from their first days in office, as well. Big money doesn't like leaders who won't look after US business interests and their lackeys in the Americas instead of their own people. It's been that way far too long. It's not going to last forever, either.

Sheer force and terrorism will not win, in the end.

 

Marksman_91

(2,035 posts)
35. Those 3 have problems of their own, especially Venezuela
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 09:37 AM
Sep 2016

In fact, I foresee the Chavista government collapsing in a couple of years due to their own corruption and incompetence (not any bullshit US-led coup). The landscape of South America is changing, it is leaving behind the hard-left regimes that have shown to be just as corrupt and/or incompetent as their right-wing predecessors (if not more. At least definitely in Venezuela it's worse). Soon Evo and Correa will leave office, and either a more moderate left will take over (a la Chile) or a center-right government will come in (a la Peru)

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
36. Time for Trump to visit Brazil, then!
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 09:42 AM
Sep 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]

Judi Lynn

(160,525 posts)
38. Brazil’s Dilma Rousseff, a Woman of Honor, Confronts Senate of Scoundrels
Fri Sep 2, 2016, 01:06 AM
Sep 2016

Brazil’s Dilma Rousseff, a Woman of Honor, Confronts Senate of Scoundrels
August 31, 2016
by Pepe Escobar

Dilma Rousseff entered the Senate and calmly stared down her accusers. She left with her head held high after exhorting those Senators to vote with their conscience.

Most of those politicians present probably had no idea what conscience means; they’re no more than corrupt messenger boys. But the Brazilian collective unconscious – Jung to the rescue – will be marked.

President Dilma Rousseff, in a detailed, occasionally emotional speech, defended herself with honor and dignity from accusations she committed a “crime of responsibility”. She was not actually facing a political cesspool, but that ‘Angel of History’ so beloved by Walter Benjamin. History will judge her kindly.

Meanwhile, it ain’t over till a dodgy politico sings. As I write, Rousseff is on the way to be stripped from the presidency of the world’s 8th largest economy by a bunch of scoundrel-cum-coward politicos. Her only fear, she said, was the “death of democracy”. Rousseff’s impeachment means in practice that democratic voting in one of the world’s largest democracies will be cancelled by a parliamentary coup remote-controlled by oligarchic interests. This is not, and never was, about justice; it’s about dirty, nasty politics.

More:
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/08/31/brazils-dilma-rousseff-a-woman-of-honor-confronts-senate-of-scoundrels/

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