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MBS

(9,688 posts)
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 02:57 PM Jan 2019

Schumer: Trump Suggests Shutdown Could Last 'Months or Even Years'

Source: New York Times

Emerging from what they called a “sometimes contentious” meeting at the White House, Democratic leaders said Mr. Trump remained adamant that he would not sign spending bills to reopen the shuttered offices unless Congress approved money for his wall on the southern border.

“We told the president we needed the government open,” Senator Chuck Schumer of New York, the Democratic leader, told reporters outside the White House. “He resisted. In fact, he said he’d keep the government closed for a very long period of time, months or even years.”

. . . .
Mr. McConnell has refused to take up the House package, insisting that he will not bring anything to the floor that Mr. Trump will not sign. Democrats intend to argue in the meeting that Mr. McConnell should at the least pass the cluster of appropriations bills, while continuing to negotiate over border security. In their last meeting, Mr. Trump rejected that idea, telling the group, “I would look foolish if I did that.”

Mr. McConnell, meanwhile, is waiting for guidance from Mr. Trump. He has absented himself from the talks, insisting that it is up to Democrats to resolve the impasse. But he is beginning to face pressure from vulnerable Republicans who are worried about their re-election prospects in 2020.

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/04/us/politics/democrats-trump-meeting-government-shutdown.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

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SWBTATTReg

(22,112 posts)
1. Years eh? rump is a worthless piece of garbage. Pass the wall legislation but only after ...
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 03:00 PM
Jan 2019

adding a tax to it that only rump and his family will pay (no else does). We'll call it the rump tax. He's got the money, what would he moan about?

TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
8. When they have no fear they will get primaried?
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 03:41 PM
Jan 2019

Which is never. They fear their racist base more than their overall constituents.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
12. They are revelling in all of the judicial nominations they can push through.
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 04:07 PM
Jan 2019

So I doubt if they will ever have a enough until after the next election.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,490 posts)
4. Lawrence Lessig's thoughts published in the Guardian UK....
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 03:19 PM
Jan 2019
Trump's border wall demand is constitutionally illegitimate
Lawrence Lessig Fri 4 Jan 2019 06.00 EST

No reading of our constitution would ever uphold the view that a president can stop the functioning of government, to insist upon a program unsupported by the public

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jan/04/trumps-wall-is-constitutionally-illegitimate

(snips)
It feels quaint – maybe a bit absurd – to remark the fact that Donald Trump has no constitutionally moral justification for his demand that Congress fund the building of a wall on the Mexican border. Such an argument feels absurd when made against this president. Yet it should not be insignificant to Congress.

The president ran on a promise to build a wall “paid for by Mexico”. No majority of Americans has ever voted to support that idea. But that idea is not the notion that is now shutting down the government. A wall paid for by taxpayers is. That wall certainly was a central issue in the 2018 midterm elections. Overwhelmingly, the public rejected it as well. Thus has the president earned public support for neither version of his Mexican wall. Yet he is using his veto power to demand that Americans pay for a wall before he will allow the government to reopen.

The American constitution does not contemplate such presidential unilateralism, at least unsupported by the public’s will or the constitution. Perhaps the most salient historical parallel is President Andrew Johnson’s insistence that he had the constitutional right to control (and effectively stop) reconstruction after the civil war. Like Trump, Johnson insisted on his power; like Trump, he campaigned across the country to rally the nation to his view; like Trump, his view was overwhelmingly rejected at the polls; like Trump, nevertheless, he persisted – until a Congress, exhausted by his recalcitrance, impeached him and came within a single vote of conviction.

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MBS

(9,688 posts)
7. Excellent, thanks (to you and Lessig).
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 03:25 PM
Jan 2019

THIS especially:

It feels quaint – maybe a bit absurd – to remark the fact that Donald Trump has no constitutionally moral justification for his demand that Congress fund the building of a wall on the Mexican border. Such an argument feels absurd when made against this president. Yet it should not be insignificant to Congress.

and this:
The American constitution does not contemplate such presidential unilateralism, at least unsupported by the public’s will or the constitution. . . .Like Trump, (Andrew) Johnson insisted on his power; like Trump, he campaigned across the country to rally the nation to his view; like Trump, his view was overwhelmingly rejected at the polls; like Trump, nevertheless, he persisted – until a Congress, exhausted by his recalcitrance, impeached him and came within a single vote of conviction.

cstanleytech

(26,281 posts)
13. Trump just fucked his own party members in the House and Senate over then LOL
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 04:11 PM
Jan 2019

As they will now have to either support him and vote no and take responsibility for the shutdown or they will have to actually grow a spine and vote for something he is throwing a childish tantrum over.

Maine-i-acs

(1,499 posts)
14. It may even last long enough for Trump to leave it for an even younger, more attractive shutdown!
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 04:25 PM
Jan 2019

subtext unneeded

MBS

(9,688 posts)
15. 4 PM EST (Jan 4) update:
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 06:06 PM
Jan 2019
President Trump on Friday threatened a years-long shutdown of the federal government to get the money he wants for his U.S.-Mexico border wall, even as he asserted that he could declare a national emergency to build the wall if he chose to. “We can do it. I haven’t done it. I may do it. I may do it,” Trump said of the possibility of declaring a national emergency to build the wall. . .
. . . Trump strengthened his rhetoric in his demands for more than $5 billion to build a wall along the southern border, saying it must be built out of concrete or steel. Democrats have rejected providing any new funding for a border wall. “The southern border is a dangerous horrible disaster,” Trump said. And contrary to Democrats’ demands, he said the government would stay shut down until the issue was resolved. . .
Questioned about how the 800,000 federal workers now on furlough or working without guaranteed pay would cope without a safety net, Trump said: “The safety net is going to be having a strong border because we’re going to be safe.”




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