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demmiblue

(36,838 posts) Fri Jan 4, 2019, 03:49 PM Jan 2019

Trump considering declaring national emergency in an effort to secure wall funding: Sources

Source: ABC News

President Donald Trump is seriously considering potential options to circumvent Congress, including declaring a national emergency, to reprogram funds from the Department of Defense and elsewhere to help pay for parts of his desired border wall along the U.S.-Mexico border, according to multiple sources familiar with the ongoing discussions.

Sources tell ABC News the discussions are still on the "working level" adding that there's a range of legal mechanisms that are being considered before such a decision is announced.

The discussions have intensified as the president is now 14 days into a partial government shutdown, facing newly empowered House Democrats who are refusing to budge issue of wall funding. "We are not doing a wall," House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Thursday, calling the proposed structure an "immorality."

The administration is holding meetings Friday, through the weekend and into next week, to continue discussions on next steps, according to officials.

Read more: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-declaring-national-emergency-secure-wall-funding-sources/story?id=60164759

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Trump considering declaring national emergency in an effort to secure wall funding: Sources (Original Post) demmiblue Jan 2019 OP

donnie guts military to pay for stupid boondoggle? unblock Jan 2019 #1

If we will do this for a wall, what will he do if indicted, impeached? ArizonaLib Jan 2019 #4

I don't even know what that means. Here's Wikipedia: mahatmakanejeeves Jan 2019 #2

Can someone explain to me Rural_Progressive Jan 2019 #6

He can try, but expect more than a few courts not to be cooperative. mahatmakanejeeves Jan 2019 #9

Desperate Diaper Donald Defecates Disillusionment Blue Owl Jan 2019 #3

Martial law for his "wall" ? n/t durablend Jan 2019 #5

And for the 2020 elections. nt woodsprite Jan 2019 #8

Neah neah-neah neah neah booga booga booga DinahMoeHum Jan 2019 #7

Frankly I knew that he knew he was out of options when I heard about "years" underpants Jan 2019 #10

That's what his hero Putin would do. It's what any dictator would do. Texin Jan 2019 #11

He may have a real national emergency Rural_Progressive Jan 2019 #12

TSA screeners are calling in sick in massive numbers at 4 airports. lark Jan 2019 #18

Doesn't quite go far enough for my taste Rural_Progressive Jan 2019 #19

Good addition to the list. lark Jan 2019 #20

If he wants to talk about a national emergency, area51 Jan 2019 #13

Come On, Republicans! Ohiogal Jan 2019 #14

Let's see how much support he gets from his own party for it. keithbvadu2 Jan 2019 #15

The dictator that sees himself a king is flailing Joe Nation Jan 2019 #16

Linking to WaPo mahatmakanejeeves Jan 2019 #17

unblock

(52,182 posts)

1. donnie guts military to pay for stupid boondoggle?

Reply to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2019, 03:51 PM

Jan 2019

yeah, ok.

ArizonaLib

(1,242 posts)

4. If we will do this for a wall, what will he do if indicted, impeached?

Reply to unblock (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 4, 2019, 03:58 PM

Jan 2019

Emergency powers are a dictator's favorite, most enabling power grab.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,378 posts)

2. I don't even know what that means. Here's Wikipedia:

Reply to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2019, 03:51 PM

Jan 2019

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_emergency#United_States

United States

Further information: Senate Report 93-549, Insurrection Act, and National Emergencies Act

The Constitution explicitly provides some emergency powers:

• Congress may authorize the government to call forth the militia to execute the laws, suppress an insurrection or repel an invasion.
• Congress may authorize the government to suspend consideration of writs of habeas corpus "when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it."
• Felony charges may be brought without presentment or grand jury indictment in cases arising "in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger."
• A state government may engage in war without Congress's approval if "actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay."

Aside from these, many provisions of law exist in various jurisdictions, which take effect only upon an executive declaration of emergency; some 500 federal laws take effect upon a presidential declaration of emergency. The National Emergencies Act regulates this process at the federal level. It requires the President to specifically identify the provisions activated and to renew the declaration annually so as to prevent an arbitrarily broad or open-ended emergency. Presidents have occasionally taken action justified as necessary or prudent because of a state of emergency, only to have the action struck down in court as unconstitutional.

A state governor or local mayor may declare a state of emergency within his or her jurisdiction. This is common at the state level in response to natural disasters. The Federal Emergency Management Agency maintains a system of assets, personnel and training to respond to such incidents. For example, on December 10, 2015, Washington state Governor Jay Inslee declared a state of emergency due to flooding and landslides caused by heavy rains.

The 1977 International Emergency Economic Powers Act allows the government to freeze assets, limit trade and confiscate property in response to an "unusual and extraordinary threat" to the United States that originates substantially outside of it. As of 2015 more than twenty emergencies under the IEEPA remain active regarding various subjects, the oldest of which was declared in 1979 with regard to the government of Iran. Another ongoing national emergency, declared after the September 11 attacks, authorizes the president to retain or reactivate military personnel beyond their normal term of service.

Rural_Progressive

(1,105 posts)

6. Can someone explain to me

Reply to mahatmakanejeeves (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 4, 2019, 04:00 PM

Jan 2019

can the orange one unilaterally make this declaration and then kick it into action or does it require the consent of Congress?

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,378 posts)

9. He can try, but expect more than a few courts not to be cooperative.

Reply to Rural_Progressive (Reply #6)

Fri Jan 4, 2019, 04:05 PM

Jan 2019

uh oh that's gonna draw some concerned frowning from the @FedSoc

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The Onion reported on a group that's ready to go.

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Blue Owl

(50,340 posts)

3. Desperate Diaper Donald Defecates Disillusionment

Reply to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2019, 03:52 PM

Jan 2019

n/t

durablend

(7,459 posts)

5. Martial law for his "wall" ? n/t

Reply to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2019, 03:59 PM

Jan 2019

woodsprite

(11,910 posts)

8. And for the 2020 elections. nt

Reply to durablend (Reply #5)

Fri Jan 4, 2019, 04:04 PM

Jan 2019

DinahMoeHum

(21,783 posts)

7. Neah neah-neah neah neah booga booga booga

Reply to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2019, 04:02 PM

Jan 2019

underpants

(182,736 posts)

10. Frankly I knew that he knew he was out of options when I heard about "years"

Reply to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2019, 04:10 PM

Jan 2019

He thinks that is all he has left - to threaten using time. This bit about a National Emergency nails it.

As I posted about two weeks ago - the WH sees this as do or die in terms of re-election

Texin

(2,594 posts)

11. That's what his hero Putin would do. It's what any dictator would do.

Reply to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2019, 04:10 PM

Jan 2019

Does this not in effect suspend any and all regular order? I don't know how broadly the legislation that pertains to this can be interpreted. Perhaps someone within DU will, but it seems to me that the "emergency" would have to rise to the level of a genuine emergency situation. Building a stupid, staggeringly ridiculous wall hardly falls into an emergency. The damn wall will have to be built, but that's after the various contingencies are examined that would relate to the terrain in which it would supposedly be erected, and what type of structure would be suitable (as if) in the site. That would take years in and of itself. The wall building/erection, whatever would take years after that. Is this just how he plans to run out the clock in the interim? Is this just something to keep the Dems hands tied for the next two and more years? Is this how he plans to have nothing - absolutely fucking NOTHING - legislated and enacted for the next two years or more? How is this even constitutional and not a breach of his Presidential authority? It's for purely personal and partisan reasons. How is this not impeachable, pray tell, because it would be the most egregious abuse of power enacted by any president in the history of this republic?

Rural_Progressive

(1,105 posts)

12. He may have a real national emergency

Reply to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2019, 04:13 PM

Jan 2019

on his hands when a general shutdown of the country is declared by its citizenry.

lark

(23,083 posts)

18. TSA screeners are calling in sick in massive numbers at 4 airports.

Reply to Rural_Progressive (Reply #12)

Fri Jan 4, 2019, 05:47 PM

Jan 2019

This will surely grow astronomically once people miss their first paycheck. When there aren't sufficient screeners, and you know that day will arrive if the shutdown continues, what will he do about air travel? What happens when border patrols don't show up, when no one shows up to take care of the thousands of children they have jailed?

This is one sick orange puke. I wish for him the very worst thing possible to happen to any pretend human, to lose everything he owns and be reviled by his children and mate and master.

Rural_Progressive

(1,105 posts)

19. Doesn't quite go far enough for my taste

Reply to lark (Reply #18)

Fri Jan 4, 2019, 05:59 PM

Jan 2019

I want him reviled by all sentient beings on the globe. A simple shunning will work for me. Everywhere he or anyone related to him goes, everyone turns their back on them and refuses to associate with them in any way.

Plus all the other things you wished for him.

lark

(23,083 posts)

20. Good addition to the list.

Reply to Rural_Progressive (Reply #19)

Fri Jan 4, 2019, 08:45 PM

Jan 2019

area51

(11,902 posts)

13. If he wants to talk about a national emergency,

Reply to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2019, 04:24 PM

Jan 2019

he should look at the stats (see sig line) on 45k people dying per year due to lack of health care.

Ohiogal

(31,962 posts)

14. Come On, Republicans!

Reply to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2019, 04:24 PM

Jan 2019

What the HELL will it take for you to stand up to this abysmally stupid nitwit who is running our country into the ground????

keithbvadu2

(36,737 posts)

15. Let's see how much support he gets from his own party for it.

Reply to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2019, 04:27 PM

Jan 2019

Let's see how much support he gets from his own party for it.

Joe Nation

(962 posts)

16. The dictator that sees himself a king is flailing

Reply to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2019, 04:37 PM

Jan 2019

What a piece of work this delusional little puke is.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,378 posts)

17. Linking to WaPo

Reply to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2019, 04:51 PM

Jan 2019

Politics

Trump threatens shutdown of ‘months or even years’ over border wall, says he could declare national emergency to get it built

By Seung Min Kim, Erica Werner and Josh Dawsey
January 4 at 3:10 PM

BREAKING: President Trump on Friday threatened to use emergency powers to build a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border, a move that would defy a Congress that — amid Democratic opposition — has thus far refused to allocate any new money for a border wall.

Asked Friday if he would declare a national emergency to get the wall built, Trump responded: “We can do it. I haven’t done it. I may do it. I may do it.”

The government has been partially shut down since Dec. 22, as Trump has demanded any budget deal include more than $5 billion in wall funding.

This is a developing story and will be updated.
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