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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 11:11 AM Jan 2019

Bolton in Turkey to negotiate Kurds' fate amid Syria policy confusion

Source: CBS News/The AP


UPDATED ON: JANUARY 7, 2019 / 9:23 AM / CBS/AP

Ankara, Turkey -- U.S. National Security Adviser John Bolton arrived Monday in Turkey for negotiations on the fate of American-allied Kurdish fighters, who said they were unclear what to make of his recent comments about U.S. plans to withdraw troops from Syria. The Kurdish militiamen and women were central to the U.S. military's fight against ISIS in Syria, and many saw President Trump's recent announcement of a pull-out as potentially putting those allies at risk.

The president's sudden announcement that all 2,000 U.S. troops in Syria were coming home -- the timetable for which Bolton has since slowed down and qualified -- raised fears that Turkey could launch an assault on the Kurdish fighters, whom the Turks consider terrorists. Turkey considers the Syrian Kurdish People's Protection Units, or YPG, as an extension of a Kurdish insurgency within its own borders.

Bolton will seek assurances from Turkey, a NATO ally, that it won't attack the Kurds when the U.S. withdraws troops from northeastern Syria. Monday's visit comes just one day after Bolton said such guarantees were a "condition" of the pullout President Trump ordered last month.

Bolton, on a visit to Israel Sunday, said U.S. troops would not leave northeastern Syria until ISIS militants are defeated and the Kurdish fighters are protected. The comments appeared to put the brakes on the withdrawal announced by Mr. Trump in December, initially expected to be completed within weeks.

Read more: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-syria-withdrawal-john-bolton-turkey-kurdish-kurds-ypg-allies/

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Bolton in Turkey to negotiate Kurds' fate amid Syria policy confusion (Original Post) DonViejo Jan 2019 OP
So, if the fox says that the hens are perfectly safe -- we believe him? karynnj Jan 2019 #1
Did the Christians and Kurds evolve from the same family? erlewyne Jan 2019 #2
So the strategy is pretty please don't hurt the Kurds? I'm sure Turkey will be just as gentle as... DRoseDARs Jan 2019 #3
This is bullshit and unconstitutional Sgent Jan 2019 #4

karynnj

(59,498 posts)
1. So, if the fox says that the hens are perfectly safe -- we believe him?
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 12:19 PM
Jan 2019

It is not just the Trump announced pull out that puts the Kurds at risk, it is their failure to even be present at the Astana talks that started in December 2016. At that point, the Obama administration was pointedly excluded while Lavrov said that Trump was invited to join when he became President. Those talks are using the December 2015 unanimous UN security council resolution as their legal basis. That resolution calls for a UN supervised election where exiles can vote. https://www.un.org/press/en/2015/sc12171.doc.htm

The Trump administration NEVER engaged in those talks. Almost as damning, while the US military continued speaking of the antiISIS effort in the same way as the Obama aministration did, the Trump State Department never spoke of the stabalization effort after regaining land. So, diplomatically, he did not have to pull his administration out, because he never engaged.

The problem with that is that it means that Assad, Russia, Iran and Turkey are the only voices at the table. It is ludicrous to suggest that Turkey, which is part of NATO and was technically in the coalition, is the voice of the rebels who fought ISIS. It was in their self interest to do so, as ISIS attacked them at places like Kobane. However, they were the boots on the ground that let Trump claim we pushed ISIS out of Ragga and they now risk being destroyed by Turkey, a country that was regularly accused of actually helping ISIS.

erlewyne

(1,115 posts)
2. Did the Christians and Kurds evolve from the same family?
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 12:31 PM
Jan 2019

I am haunted by King Mithridates V's son "Chrestus" who keeps
popping up in my studies. Chrestus has a son who appears
to become the "King of Cappadocia" and his son (or grandson)
ends up dying in Rome in AD 17 and this son also fits the description
of the Patriarch Jacob. This son had a brother who was also famous.

I'm thinking that Christians should protect Kurds, that's all.

 

DRoseDARs

(6,810 posts)
3. So the strategy is pretty please don't hurt the Kurds? I'm sure Turkey will be just as gentle as...
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 02:58 PM
Jan 2019

...they were with the Armenians. And the Assyrians. And the Greek.

Sgent

(5,857 posts)
4. This is bullshit and unconstitutional
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 06:50 PM
Jan 2019

Bolton cannot act as a lead negotiator without Senate confirmation -- which he would never have gotten (in the last congress).

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