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mahatmakanejeeves

(57,412 posts)
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 02:32 PM Jan 2019

Trump says emergency declaration coming without border deal with Dems

Source: The Hill

Trump says emergency declaration coming without border deal with Dems
BY JORDAN FABIAN - 01/09/19 12:45 PM EST

President Trump on Wednesday said he may declare a national emergency to circumvent Congress and build a border wall if spending talks fail, raising the stakes for negotiations set to resume later in the day.

“I think we might work a deal, and if we don’t we might go that route,” Trump told reporters during a bill signing in the Oval Office.

The president said he has the “absolute right” to declare an emergency, even though some legal scholars and Democratic lawmakers say he does not.

Trump added that his “threshold” for declaring a national emergency is if he cannot reach a deal with congressional Democrats, who have rejected his demand for $5.7 billion for a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border.

Read more: https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/424551-trump-says-emergency-declaration-coming-without-border-deal-with-dems



I have a self-imposed prohibition on posting threads in LBN that start with "Trump says." I let this article go without posting, until I read this:

Treating the 1787 Constitution’s system of checks and balances as a “national emergency” in 2019 is a pretty good definition of chutzpah.


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Trump says emergency declaration coming without border deal with Dems (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Jan 2019 OP
He* is so weak Achilleaze Jan 2019 #1
You know that's what he wanted to do last night More_Cowbell Jan 2019 #2
Bingo! Mme. Defarge Jan 2019 #3
Oh, is that why he was sniffling again? watoos Jan 2019 #15
Yawn ScratchCat Jan 2019 #4
Well why didn't he do that last night? Botany Jan 2019 #5
Last night's speech wasn't the one he wanted to give NastyRiffraff Jan 2019 #19
Where is he going to get the funding? still_one Jan 2019 #6
Ahem, shithole raised money last night off the effed up hate speech. Iliyah Jan 2019 #9
He will skim it somewhere in violation of the constitution.... beachbum bob Jan 2019 #10
I read , out of the pentagon Corgigal Jan 2019 #29
So in other words he can take money designated for something else and use it for what he would call still_one Jan 2019 #31
Yep, Corgigal Jan 2019 #33
Impeachment will follow for the orange dictator workinclasszero Jan 2019 #7
But not conviction. NT mahatmakanejeeves Jan 2019 #8
Regardless of that workinclasszero Jan 2019 #11
GOP Senators are gearing up for trial. Eyeball_Kid Jan 2019 #12
So last night was the prep-talk; tomorrow is the declaration on the border... EarthFirst Jan 2019 #13
What a scank...the 30%ers must be so proud of it... Maxheader Jan 2019 #14
Are the Sea Bees still around? watoos Jan 2019 #16
Yes..United States Naval Construction Battalions, better known as the Seabees, EX500rider Jan 2019 #21
My cousin was in during Viet Nam - akraven Jan 2019 #28
I say impeachment is coming with a national emergency. sinkingfeeling Jan 2019 #17
I expect martial law before he gets impeached. OnlinePoker Jan 2019 #24
So the next democratic president can declare healthcare a national emergency Buckeyeblue Jan 2019 #18
when will he dweller Jan 2019 #20
Go for it... TheCowsCameHome Jan 2019 #22
As Captain Queeg sails the Caine blindly on into the storm... Ford_Prefect Jan 2019 #23
I'm pretty sure that "National Emergency" is not Mr. "Art of the Deal" being exposed as a failure. LakeSuperiorView Jan 2019 #25
The asshole thinks he's king Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2019 #26
You are making me do this!!!!! Maeve Jan 2019 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Jan 2019 #30
He is insane. Glimmer of Hope Jan 2019 #32
If he can do this, then why keep the government shut down? dansolo Jan 2019 #34

More_Cowbell

(2,191 posts)
2. You know that's what he wanted to do last night
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 02:35 PM
Jan 2019

But cooler heads prevailed. He was so obviously pouting through that speech.

ScratchCat

(1,988 posts)
4. Yawn
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 02:37 PM
Jan 2019

Seriously, there isn't a single legal person who says The POTUS has this power. The House would hold hearings and call the FBI, CIA, NSA and DHS who will all say there is no crisis or emergency. The House wont appropriate money anyway.

I get it, its his way "out", so he can blame "the liberal courts who hate America". It just changes the news cycle and we all know that's why he is doing this.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
19. Last night's speech wasn't the one he wanted to give
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 03:10 PM
Jan 2019

Somebody convinced him to reluctantly give that speech instead of the national emergency one. It was clear that he hated it. His affect was wooden, he spoke in a monotone, and he looked miserable. He'll seize the first chance he can to do what he wants, which is to declare a national emergency.

Trump thrives on chaos, and he needs to hold his ignorant base. He wanted this shutdown, and he wants the emergency. He could give a shit less about border security, or even the wall/fence/barrier/beaded curtain.

Besides, he talked about holding the hands of weeping mothers. Really? Trump didn't come up with that; he has no capacity to even think of that.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
9. Ahem, shithole raised money last night off the effed up hate speech.
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 02:49 PM
Jan 2019

Never mind, that money was for his pockets.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
10. He will skim it somewhere in violation of the constitution....
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 02:50 PM
Jan 2019

He is trying shield this by invoking a fake national emergency to defy congress. A clearly impeachable offense. Pelosi should start talking that way....FYI, there no limits on how many times a person can be impeached,

The democrats could easily file impeachment charges and the senate would have to do a trial...

Corgigal

(9,291 posts)
29. I read , out of the pentagon
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 11:21 PM
Jan 2019

like funding for new troop housing, and other projects.

They will get cranky.

still_one

(92,155 posts)
31. So in other words he can take money designated for something else and use it for what he would call
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 11:31 PM
Jan 2019

a national emergency

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
7. Impeachment will follow for the orange dictator
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 02:46 PM
Jan 2019

shortly after he declares a fake national emergency, sidesteps Congress and wipes his fat ass with the Constitution!

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
11. Regardless of that
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 02:52 PM
Jan 2019

We cannot allow this lawless POS GOP tin horn dictator to shit all over our laws and Constitution with impunity!

Let the traitor GOP Senate let him off the hook and destroy their evil party forever!

Trump has killed children at his kiddie concentration camps and now has promised to cut off FEMA and watch California burn!

He's getting ready to tell Congress to fuck off and rule by fiat!

Still we musn't impeach him hmm?

Eyeball_Kid

(7,431 posts)
12. GOP Senators are gearing up for trial.
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 02:53 PM
Jan 2019

And it won’t be pretty for Trumpy. A lot of GOPers are getting fed up with this madman and are looking for a good excuse to throw him under the bus.

EarthFirst

(2,900 posts)
13. So last night was the prep-talk; tomorrow is the declaration on the border...
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 02:53 PM
Jan 2019

Surrounded by equipment; soldiers; agents and one token family?

EX500rider

(10,839 posts)
21. Yes..United States Naval Construction Battalions, better known as the Seabees,
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 03:19 PM
Jan 2019

form the Naval Construction Force (NCF) of the United States Navy.

Role Militarized construction
Size
7,000 active personnel
6,927 Reserve personnel
13,815 total
Nickname(s) Seabees
Motto(s)
Latin: Construimus, Batuimus
"We build. We fight"
"CAN DO"
"The difficult we do now, the impossible takes a little longer"

OnlinePoker

(5,719 posts)
24. I expect martial law before he gets impeached.
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 04:37 PM
Jan 2019

Hopefully I'm wrong, but I can see his derangement increasing daily and this is the next step for this sociopath.

Buckeyeblue

(5,499 posts)
18. So the next democratic president can declare healthcare a national emergency
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 03:09 PM
Jan 2019

And bypass congress to install a Medicare for all or a single payer plan. And use military money to pay for it. I can't wait.

 

LakeSuperiorView

(1,533 posts)
25. I'm pretty sure that "National Emergency" is not Mr. "Art of the Deal" being exposed as a failure.
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 04:38 PM
Jan 2019

Come on Mr. "I make the best deals, no one knows more than me, I can tell you", if you were not able to even convince a House and Senate that were controlled by your party for two years, what has changed to make it an emergency? Is it that Mueller is getting close? Is it Putin telling you to buy Russian steel or the Pee Tape comes out? What?

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,922 posts)
26. The asshole thinks he's king
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 06:17 PM
Jan 2019

How is it an emergency when illegal borders crossings are fewer and fewer? Last year there was one fifth of the number there were in 2000.

Maeve

(42,281 posts)
27. You are making me do this!!!!!
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 06:28 PM
Jan 2019

And by saying he's doing it because he can't cut a deal, he under-cuts his own case

Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

dansolo

(5,376 posts)
34. If he can do this, then why keep the government shut down?
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 08:22 AM
Jan 2019

This is a bluff. His entire justification for the shutdown is for the wall.

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