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highplainsdem

(48,910 posts)
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 08:43 PM Sep 2012

Within Hours, Mitt Romney Takes Back Everything He Said About Preexisting Conditions

Source: Mother Jones

On national TV this morning, with millions of people watching, Mitt Romney told David Gregory that there were parts of Obamacare he actually liked. In fact, he said, one of the goals of his healthcare plan "is to make sure that those with preexisting conditions can get coverage." A few hours later, with approximately zero people listening, a spokesman quietly "clarified" what he meant:

In reference to how Romney would deal with those with preexisting conditions and young adults who want to remain on their parents’ plans, a Romney aide responded that there had been no change in Romney’s position and that “in a competitive environment, the marketplace will make available plans that include coverage for what there is demand for. He was not proposing a federal mandate to require insurance plans to offer those particular features.”


As it happens, we already have a competitive market for individual insurance. In addition, we already have demand for coverage of preexisting conditions. And yet, the marketplace doesn't make policies available to people with preexisting conditions.

Why? Because policies that cover preexisting conditions are big money losers unless you charge premiums high enough that no one could afford them. Because of that, nobody bothers to offer them in the first place. That's how the free market works. It would be nice if Romney could explain how he intends to square this circle.

-snip-

Read more: http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/09/within-hours-mitt-romney-takes-back-everything-he-said-about-preexisting-conditio
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Within Hours, Mitt Romney Takes Back Everything He Said About Preexisting Conditions (Original Post) highplainsdem Sep 2012 OP
When is the MSM going to wake up that Mitt says lies so they make him look good riverbendviewgal Sep 2012 #1
Good gawd... If they don't expose this habitual liar in full--well before the debates... hlthe2b Sep 2012 #4
Look at the comments in the NYTimes on the story karynnj Sep 2012 #27
Romney following the Bible. aletier_v Sep 2012 #85
Book Of Mormon heide70 Sep 2012 #88
Is Mitt's Every Policy on Everything really Nothing going Nowhere riverbendviewgal Sep 2012 #97
wow, those lyrics are actually really apropos renate Sep 2012 #100
Perfect theme song for Romney nt karynnj Sep 2012 #111
"No Where Men" ...that nails Rmoney and Lyan goclark Sep 2012 #114
not!!! heaven05 Sep 2012 #98
Not really karynnj Sep 2012 #110
This Is Why Romney's Handlers DallasNE Sep 2012 #90
I am seeing the comments are more anti-Romney than the journalism adigal Sep 2012 #103
"Our MSM needs to just hire out to be paid mouthpieces...." nxylas Sep 2012 #112
Uh oh Mitt was speaking without his ventriloquist again, people are going to figure out he is just Heather MC Sep 2012 #29
Really Funny oldsarge54 Sep 2012 #94
Multiple Choice skeewee08 Sep 2012 #2
This is the worst candidate I can remember in my lifetime. reflection Sep 2012 #3
Me too, and I've been around for a while!!! elleng Sep 2012 #22
Say that again... LovingA2andMI Sep 2012 #34
This MittWitt Flatpicker Sep 2012 #66
Thanks for the explanation... LovingA2andMI Sep 2012 #70
Agreed, at this rate, Miss Romney is going to have to implode at some point... johnnyrocket Sep 2012 #43
I feel the same way. Has there ever been a candidate who admit to having an off shore account? sarcasmo Sep 2012 #52
In my 83 years I have never seen anyone like Romney who was running for lumpy Sep 2012 #59
I've got a little more than half those 83 years... RevStPatrick Sep 2012 #74
In my 49 years I have never seen anyone like Romney who was running for dogcatcher jmowreader Sep 2012 #78
So he tries to appeal to the masses on TV, then has a spokesperson "quietly" walk it back Laurian Sep 2012 #5
This is going to bite him HARD in the debates budkin Sep 2012 #6
The Obama/Biden campaign has to be informed of this BEFORE the debates Amonester Sep 2012 #28
Oh believe me, they know about this very well Bjorn Against Sep 2012 #38
If Dems and Obama are on their game, tend to agree. pinto Sep 2012 #36
Lying and changing his mind are his pre-existing conditions TheCowsCameHome Sep 2012 #7
"In a minute there is time for decisions and revisions which a minute shall reverse". . . Journeyman Sep 2012 #8
Not a flip-flop. More cynical than that. no_hypocrisy Sep 2012 #9
Agreed. highplainsdem Sep 2012 #12
The "clarification" was for his donors, not his voters. obxhead Sep 2012 #50
Local ABC News did not mention the retraction. no_hypocrisy Sep 2012 #77
When he was governor here Submariner Sep 2012 #10
He used Massachusetts as a doormat. TheCowsCameHome Sep 2012 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Sep 2012 #19
Christie and Romney try to top each other Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2012 #92
How can any person with even half a brain vote for this guy??? BattyDem Sep 2012 #11
And the knuckle-dragging, Medicare-consuming, Social Security enjoying assholes.... Swede Atlanta Sep 2012 #13
someone needs to tweet this to David Gregory, with some other visible hashtags... progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #15
Willard ........ the Great American Liar and Fraud Angry Dragon Sep 2012 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Sep 2012 #17
Worst candidate ever? redwitch Sep 2012 #18
Serious question here: TheCowsCameHome Sep 2012 #20
Obama, at the debates. chollybocker Sep 2012 #42
I hope you are right, and TheCowsCameHome Sep 2012 #46
Etch-a-Sketch moment! SoapBox Sep 2012 #21
not surprising since he's taking positions he is supposed to, rather than ones he believes or has BREMPRO Sep 2012 #23
Mitt gives me whiplash Liberal_in_LA Sep 2012 #24
Mit is like fast paced ping-pong sakabatou Sep 2012 #25
I see now why the campaign doesn't want to spill details about anything high density Sep 2012 #26
And this flake wants to be leader of the free world jsr Sep 2012 #30
Disclaimer: The positions of this candidate in no way reflect rurallib Sep 2012 #31
ROFL! mikki35 Sep 2012 #80
It's like the Three Faces of Eve - Mitt becomes a completely different person at will aint_no_life_nowhere Sep 2012 #32
Kidd you not... LovingA2andMI Sep 2012 #39
"I don't know what I said, but I stand by it, whatever it was" aint_no_life_nowhere Sep 2012 #49
That has to be the most bizarre statement ever from a presidential candidate. spiderpig Sep 2012 #60
matt taibi nailed it in the first four paragraphs of his rolling stone article: niyad Sep 2012 #33
Trust Obama and his friends to expose Romney. speedoo Sep 2012 #83
He flips - his spokesman flops Smilo Sep 2012 #35
I feel your Bain, Mitt. pinto Sep 2012 #37
Political Ad Idea chuckstevens Sep 2012 #40
*Karma* Chameleon. chollybocker Sep 2012 #47
Thanks! chuckstevens Sep 2012 #57
Is this guy even able to make a single public appearance without a major gaffe? Bjorn Against Sep 2012 #41
Another thing I been thinking about... LovingA2andMI Sep 2012 #67
I agree, the whole Mitt, Ann thing is bizarre mountain grammy Sep 2012 #76
Well, Duh! DallasNE Sep 2012 #44
How can anyone trust Mr flip flop SmittynMo Sep 2012 #45
If Mitt wasn't so scary he would be hilarious... Kalidurga Sep 2012 #48
Oops, guess they got the phone call from the insurance companies today. hollysmom Sep 2012 #51
Exactly - the insurance companies insisted on the individual mandate before agreeing to cover progree Sep 2012 #61
More of that "empathy" atreides1 Sep 2012 #53
Mr. Wizard is going to do it all - let the magic of the marketplace work progree Sep 2012 #54
Help Me Mr. Wizard! chuckstevens Sep 2012 #58
time for this one to go home central scrutinizer Sep 2012 #63
LOL chuckstevens Sep 2012 #65
And Syria n/t progree Sep 2012 #64
What is WRONG with this person??? spiderpig Sep 2012 #55
Driving home today LovingA2andMI Sep 2012 #84
Don't you just... spiderpig Sep 2012 #91
The speed of his flip flop may very well have exceeded the speed of light... Agnosticsherbet Sep 2012 #56
Private Insurance companies had 60 yrs to come up a universal plan, they chose profits! CarmanK Sep 2012 #62
How can he get away with this over and over again? DeSwiss Sep 2012 #68
that's exactly how renate Sep 2012 #102
Romney is a Frightening Yo Yo Sandy one Sep 2012 #69
The half life of his lies is quickly decreasing. sofa king Sep 2012 #71
Etch-a-Sketch Alert! Zambero Sep 2012 #72
Williard the Multiple Choice Candidate. Historic NY Sep 2012 #73
Everything you need to know about Rmoney in one picture meow2u3 Sep 2012 #75
OMG says Romney's handlers Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2012 #79
This MUST be one of the things clarified BIG-TIME 99th_Monkey Sep 2012 #81
I was extremely surprised when I read that earlier. Why? Samantha Sep 2012 #82
Romney thinks Americana are idiots! CoffeeCat Sep 2012 #86
I can't wait till the debates, alp227 Sep 2012 #87
Mittens heide70 Sep 2012 #89
MotherJones is great mojo2012 Sep 2012 #93
If the market made it available then we wouldn't have needed the law. ck4829 Sep 2012 #95
Maybe his plan is for people with preexisting conditions to buy into medicare at reasonable rates greymattermom Sep 2012 #96
Would "Etch-a-Flop" or "Flip-a-Sketch" work better as nicknames? IDemo Sep 2012 #99
Republicans are Freaking Flip Flopping Pharisees Berlum Sep 2012 #101
So, where does Rmoney stand on this issue TODAY?? kestrel91316 Sep 2012 #104
The Fort Worth Star Telegram gave the first statement big coverage McCamy Taylor Sep 2012 #105
And to think Romney was the BEST of the Republican field JackHughes Sep 2012 #106
If he gets in, he immediately goes for broke to wreck Medicare, Social Security Faygo Kid Sep 2012 #107
That creature doesn't need an Etch-a-Sketch. He needs a trampoline. sarge43 Sep 2012 #108
"how he intends to square this circle" Martin Eden Sep 2012 #109
Pathological. blkmusclmachine Sep 2012 #113
From RW NY Daily News: "Health-care reform is Romney's preexisting condition" pampango Sep 2012 #115
Seems the Republican tactic this time around is lie on TV and tell the truth Monk06 Sep 2012 #116
The show they lied on should always have a breaking news disclosure as soon as they take back their riverbendviewgal Sep 2012 #117
They should do a split screne before and after vid for everythin he says here on in. Monk06 Sep 2012 #118
He's such a f**king loser. zellie Sep 2012 #119

riverbendviewgal

(4,252 posts)
1. When is the MSM going to wake up that Mitt says lies so they make him look good
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 08:46 PM
Sep 2012

AND A few hours later takes them back.

This man is very,, very very sick. He deserves to be put in a mental institution, not the White House.

hlthe2b

(102,119 posts)
4. Good gawd... If they don't expose this habitual liar in full--well before the debates...
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 08:48 PM
Sep 2012

then our MSM needs to just hire out to be paid mouthpieces for whatever Banana Republic dictator will pay the most.

Baghdad Bob has been cloned over and over, it seems.

karynnj

(59,498 posts)
27. Look at the comments in the NYTimes on the story
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 09:17 PM
Sep 2012

What is really clear is that everyone is seeing that he has EVERY policy on EVERYTHING. I have looked (and responded) on the NYT in the past and while it is usually more liberal/moderate, there have always been moderate Republican (especially economic Republican) responses.

Here, I was reading the comments earlier (on a kindle as we drove home from an out of state trip). I read at least 50 comments before the first - and at that point hours ago - only pro Romney comment. This even though the article does not call him out itself - even on his strange comment that he is doing better since his convention - in spite of the polling results.

Here is the link - http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/09/romney-would-keep-some-of-obamas-health-care-reform/?hp The comments are devastating if you are Romney. (Imagine if they saw what his campaign had to say!)

aletier_v

(1,773 posts)
85. Romney following the Bible.
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 11:58 PM
Sep 2012

> What is really clear is that everyone is seeing that he has EVERY policy on EVERYTHING


I think he got that strategy from the Bible.

heide70

(8 posts)
88. Book Of Mormon
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 02:08 AM
Sep 2012

aletier, slight typo, Mittens follows the Book Of Mormon. Very weird makes your head spin

riverbendviewgal

(4,252 posts)
97. Is Mitt's Every Policy on Everything really Nothing going Nowhere
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 09:04 AM
Sep 2012

http://www.lyricsfreak.com/b/beatles/nowhere+man_10026490.html
Nowhere Man, the world is at your command.
Beatles Nowhere Man Lyrics


He's as blind as he can be,
Just sees what he wants to see,
Nowhere Man can you see me at all?
Doesn't have a point of view,
Knows not where he's going to,

renate

(13,776 posts)
100. wow, those lyrics are actually really apropos
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 11:55 AM
Sep 2012

Even the part about "the world is at your command," but especially "doesn't have a point of view."

Good job!

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
98. not!!!
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:04 AM
Sep 2012

He is NOT a christian, he follows mormonism. He's going to golob, angels named macaroni and magic underwear and last but not least his religion makes him a god among mere men. And I guess that makes annie a goddess

karynnj

(59,498 posts)
110. Not really
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:47 PM
Sep 2012

I know of no place in the old or new testament that would be a good guide for cutting Medicaid that provides health care to the poor'

DallasNE

(7,402 posts)
90. This Is Why Romney's Handlers
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 03:36 AM
Sep 2012

Tell Romney "don't give any details". On Meet The Press Romney went off message and his staff was forced to pull back his statement. It is like Romney doesn't know what his current position is and he mixes it up with an earlier position that has long ago died an ugly death.

In that same interview he asks us to judge him on his principles. Before we can do that we need to know if he even has any principles. I keep looking yet there is nothing to see. Today's latest flip/flop is still another reason why that is the case.

 

adigal

(7,581 posts)
103. I am seeing the comments are more anti-Romney than the journalism
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 12:19 PM
Sep 2012

For example, the other day on Facebook, a Romney page posted a baby supposedly giving him a high five through a window. Well, I went on it so see the idiocy of those commenting, and to say that the baby was certainly NOT giving him a high five. But the comments were so hilarious, I forgot to post!! Person after person was saying that the baby was trying to shut him up, since her hand was near his face in the picture, that even babies know liars, asking the baby to put soap in Romney's mouth for them, for all his lies, to even give him a smack for lying. It was one of the funniest things I have seen, those comments, and this on Facebook, with all the wingnuts who have accounts there. There were like 300 comments mocking the page and Romney and about 5 sticking up for him.

I truly think the American people dislike Romney a LOT more than the media is reporting. If he wasn't such an entitled asshole, I would almost feel sorry for him.

nxylas

(6,440 posts)
112. "Our MSM needs to just hire out to be paid mouthpieces...."
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 04:13 AM
Sep 2012

And how would that be different from now?

 

Heather MC

(8,084 posts)
29. Uh oh Mitt was speaking without his ventriloquist again, people are going to figure out he is just
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 09:21 PM
Sep 2012

a dummy

oldsarge54

(582 posts)
94. Really Funny
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 06:25 AM
Sep 2012

If you would look to conservative posters, they believe that MSN is left of Joe Stalin. Could is be that the problem is commercial news panders to all groups, and that NPR (DIANE RHEMS especially) tries to balance the news?

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
34. Say that again...
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 09:25 PM
Sep 2012

I'm sorry if some folks are here from Massachusetts but how does your state elect Mittens as Governor AND seems like they are on the verge of re-electing Scott Brown? I...don't...get...it~

Flatpicker

(894 posts)
66. This MittWitt
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 10:16 PM
Sep 2012

Isn't the Mass MittWitt.

Or maybe the best way to explain it.
We were young and in college and trying to experiment with new things.
1 term later, we decided that Mitt was full of Shit...

Brown? All I can tell you is EW isn't campaigning. There's nothing I hear or see of her around here.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
70. Thanks for the explanation...
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 10:38 PM
Sep 2012

Makes it a bit clearer now.

As for E.W., darn shame! Can't win if one is not out touching, meeting and talking with voters.

johnnyrocket

(1,773 posts)
43. Agreed, at this rate, Miss Romney is going to have to implode at some point...
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 09:42 PM
Sep 2012

...this guy is a disaster.

jmowreader

(50,528 posts)
78. In my 49 years I have never seen anyone like Romney who was running for dogcatcher
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 11:12 PM
Sep 2012

This is the guy you run if you're TRYING to lose, and right now it looks like that's the GOP's game plan.

Laurian

(2,593 posts)
5. So he tries to appeal to the masses on TV, then has a spokesperson "quietly" walk it back
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 08:49 PM
Sep 2012

for the benefit of the base and his rich, powerful masters. Surely the media will call him out on this. Won't they?

He and his campaign folks are either diabolical or stupid......

Amonester

(11,541 posts)
28. The Obama/Biden campaign has to be informed of this BEFORE the debates
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 09:18 PM
Sep 2012

in order to (let's hope) EXPOSE the LIAR (not the 'mis-speaker' nor the 'good family man' or whatever they say not to 'hurt' the un-decided).

Send it there, someone(s): http://barackobama.force.com/questions

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
38. Oh believe me, they know about this very well
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 09:35 PM
Sep 2012

I am quite confident we won't have to wait for the debates to go after this one, I would be very surprised if they don't hit hard on this tomorow.

Journeyman

(15,024 posts)
8. "In a minute there is time for decisions and revisions which a minute shall reverse". . .
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 08:50 PM
Sep 2012

(apologies to TS Eliot, but it seemed apropos to the Romney standard M.O.)

no_hypocrisy

(46,020 posts)
9. Not a flip-flop. More cynical than that.
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 08:51 PM
Sep 2012

Romney goes on national TV, announces he'll preserve pre-existing conditions. Sound bite gets on radio, TV, and newsprint. Independent voters listening with half attention hear that, say, "Well, that's enough for me. I'm voting Romney" and don't bother following up on the "clarification". Romney's campaign is counting on manipulating voters with teasers and fake outs like the one today.

 

obxhead

(8,434 posts)
50. The "clarification" was for his donors, not his voters.
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 09:50 PM
Sep 2012

The real Mitt will raise our taxes and give the proceeds to his rich friends. The real Mitt will attempt to eliminate every social program we have and give that money to his rich friends. The real Mitt will borrow billions if not trillions from China and give that money to his rich friends.

That's the real Mitt, but 99% of his voters don't know this. Otherwise they simply wouldn't vote for him regardless of how tinted Obama's skin is.

no_hypocrisy

(46,020 posts)
77. Local ABC News did not mention the retraction.
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 11:12 PM
Sep 2012

Left viewer with impression that Romney would keep the pre-existing condition provision.

Submariner

(12,497 posts)
10. When he was governor here
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 08:53 PM
Sep 2012

he spent the last 2 1/2 years mostly out of state badmouthing the state he was governor of. It was obscene watching him lay the ground word for his 2008 run for prez. This guy just wants the WH and AF1 to satisfy his ego, not to help anyone. He sux.

TheCowsCameHome

(40,167 posts)
14. He used Massachusetts as a doormat.
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 08:57 PM
Sep 2012

"Governor" sure sounds better on a job resume, doesn't it?

You nailed it, friend.

Response to Submariner (Reply #10)

BattyDem

(11,075 posts)
11. How can any person with even half a brain vote for this guy???
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 08:53 PM
Sep 2012

You can't believe a damn thing he says. About anything. EVER!!!

 

Swede Atlanta

(3,596 posts)
13. And the knuckle-dragging, Medicare-consuming, Social Security enjoying assholes....
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 08:57 PM
Sep 2012

will never hear this. They will believe that the gubmint should stay out of their healthcare and that their younguns will git them sum edukatshun and heltkare normal layk, from da company.

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
15. someone needs to tweet this to David Gregory, with some other visible hashtags...
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 08:59 PM
Sep 2012

do we have a #mittflop hashtag?

Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

TheCowsCameHome

(40,167 posts)
20. Serious question here:
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 09:07 PM
Sep 2012

When is someone - anyone - going to confront him nose-to-nose and demand that he stop his filthy lies and distortions?

I hope to see it on live TV in front of an audience of millions.

TheCowsCameHome

(40,167 posts)
46. I hope you are right, and
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 09:44 PM
Sep 2012

Romney comes unglued like sleeves on a vest.

I am so sick of his lies and distortions going unchallenged by the media.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
21. Etch-a-Sketch moment!
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 09:08 PM
Sep 2012

or

I was for it, before I was against it, before I was for it,....

Ugh. I'm dizzy from the whiplash...what an idiot.

BREMPRO

(2,331 posts)
23. not surprising since he's taking positions he is supposed to, rather than ones he believes or has
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 09:11 PM
Sep 2012

conviction in. add to that a goody goody two shoes want to seem like he's helping people religion and blind ambition to be president and this is the cause of this kind of muddled conflicting messaging that has plagued his political "career"

high density

(13,397 posts)
26. I see now why the campaign doesn't want to spill details about anything
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 09:16 PM
Sep 2012

Because when they do, it turns out to be the exact opposite of the thing they meant... I guess?

rurallib

(62,379 posts)
31. Disclaimer: The positions of this candidate in no way reflect
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 09:24 PM
Sep 2012

actual positions of this candidate."

Is that so hard to understand?

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
32. It's like the Three Faces of Eve - Mitt becomes a completely different person at will
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 09:24 PM
Sep 2012

and doesn't seem to know what the other Mitts are doing. In his case it's the hundred faces of Mitt.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
39. Kidd you not...
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 09:35 PM
Sep 2012

We said this on our podcast radio show earlier today....that Mittens seems to have Dissociative Identity Disorder or D.I.D.

Take a look at the disorder, think about Mittens and see if you agree?

Dissociative identity disorder (DID), formerly called multiple personality disorder, is an illness that is characterized by the presence of at least two clear personality states, called alters, which may have different reactions, emotions, and body functioning.

Signs and symptoms of DID include memory lapses, blackouts, being often accused of lying, finding apparently strange items among one's possessions, having apparent strangers recognize them as someone else, feeling unreal, and feeling like more than one person.


http://www.medicinenet.com/dissociative_identity_disorder

Me think Mittens is not mentally well enough to serve in the office of President of the United States~

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
49. "I don't know what I said, but I stand by it, whatever it was"
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 09:49 PM
Sep 2012

I've been wondering myself of what he might be hiding in his medical records.

spiderpig

(10,419 posts)
60. That has to be the most bizarre statement ever from a presidential candidate.
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 10:04 PM
Sep 2012

Or a kindergartener. I get dizzy just reading what spills from his piehole.

niyad

(113,052 posts)
33. matt taibi nailed it in the first four paragraphs of his rolling stone article:
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 09:25 PM
Sep 2012

Greed and Debt: The True Story of Mitt Romney and Bain Capital
How the GOP presidential candidate and his private equity firm staged an epic wealth grab, destroyed jobs – and stuck others with the bill


The great criticism of Mitt Romney, from both sides of the aisle, has always been that he doesn't stand for anything. He's a flip-flopper, they say, a lightweight, a cardboard opportunist who'll say anything to get elected.

The critics couldn't be more wrong. Mitt Romney is no tissue-paper man. He's closer to being a revolutionary, a backward-world version of Che or Trotsky, with tweezed nostrils instead of a beard, a half-Windsor instead of a leather jerkin. His legendary flip-flops aren't the lies of a bumbling opportunist – they're the confident prevarications of a man untroubled by misleading the nonbeliever in pursuit of a single, all-consuming goal. Romney has a vision, and he's trying for something big: We've just been too slow to sort out what it is, just as we've been slow to grasp the roots of the radical economic changes that have swept the country in the last generation.

The incredible untold story of the 2012 election so far is that Romney's run has been a shimmering pearl of perfect political hypocrisy, which he's somehow managed to keep hidden, even with thousands of cameras following his every move. And the drama of this rhetorical high-wire act was ratcheted up even further when Romney chose his running mate, Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin – like himself, a self-righteously anal, thin-lipped, Whitest Kids U Know penny pincher who'd be honored to tell Oliver Twist there's no more soup left. By selecting Ryan, Romney, the hard-charging, chameleonic champion of a disgraced-yet-defiant Wall Street, officially succeeded in moving the battle lines in the 2012 presidential race.

. . . .

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/greed-and-debt-the-true-story-of-mitt-romney-and-bain-capital-20120829#ixzz261f45I28

Smilo

(1,944 posts)
35. He flips - his spokesman flops
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 09:25 PM
Sep 2012

I guess we should just all have the coverage that Ann and Mitt have - then we would know what suffering is /

 

chuckstevens

(1,201 posts)
40. Political Ad Idea
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 09:37 PM
Sep 2012

The Obama Campaign needs to secure the rights to the Culture Club song Comma Chameleon. Show a Mitt head changing with every conflicting position to RED, GOLD and GREEN. One part of the lyrics says "I know a man without conviction." Hilarious, simple, memorable, and it illustrates a point.

chollybocker

(3,687 posts)
47. *Karma* Chameleon.
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 09:48 PM
Sep 2012

"...a man without conviction.
A man who doesn't know
how to sell a contradiction,
You come and go,
You come and go.
Karma karma karma karma karma chameleon...

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
41. Is this guy even able to make a single public appearance without a major gaffe?
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 09:39 PM
Sep 2012

Seriously, this is the most pathetic campaign I have ever witnessed. Is it possible that Mitt Romney is actually Sascha Baron Cohen with a super convincing make up job? He is starting to seem more like a satirist than a real candidate.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
67. Another thing I been thinking about...
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 10:27 PM
Sep 2012

What if the Republicans ran Mittens for a purpose?

One, they have Paul Ryan -Mr. Tea Party Nation himself- serving as Backup Quarterback if Mittens implodes.

Two-Larry Flynt is offering $1 Million dollars to see Mittens financial records and tax returns. Hard to believe that Karl Rove did not KNOW this MIGHT happen. Also, it appears the Anonymous group has them and they want $1 Million Bitcons.

Three- The tax returns hit public (see above) and Republicans immediately pull support from Mittens and demand Ryan lead the ticket and Mittens go away....far, far away.

Four-Distract everyone (i.e.-The MSM, Voters, else) from where they are really pouring money into....the GOP House and Senate races.

Five- November 7th...Mitt's gone...Ryan's in (OMG...NO!!) along with House and Senate now GOP controlled. Or...House and Senate just GOP and President Obama has to VETO everything for the next four years...i.e. DREADLOCK!

This....is....scary as all get up to me. Thoughts?

mountain grammy

(26,598 posts)
76. I agree, the whole Mitt, Ann thing is bizarre
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 11:06 PM
Sep 2012

We've got to keep focused on the local elections. They're up to something..

DallasNE

(7,402 posts)
44. Well, Duh!
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 09:42 PM
Sep 2012

What Romney told Gregory was not defensible at any level. The reasons are simple, as I pointed out in my response to the comment to Gregory. (Interesting that Gregory swollowed it hole). http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=224101

What this once again shows it that Romney can't think on his feet, even when the question is obvious -- indeed telegraphed. Romney doesn't seem to know which side of an issue he is on on any given day.

SmittynMo

(3,544 posts)
45. How can anyone trust Mr flip flop
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 09:44 PM
Sep 2012

He's freaking out again, and will flip flop on anything to try to get elected. Again, who can trust this whimp?

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
48. If Mitt wasn't so scary he would be hilarious...
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 09:49 PM
Sep 2012

What is even worse and I have felt this way a long time, is that people will vote for him. Back in the day, I don't know how far back, people wouldn't vote for someone like this, not in this country. I remember mostly from history, when Republicans actually had some values. Ike, must be rolling in his grave over today's republicans. I don't think he would recognize them. He would probably mutter something about fighting that type in other countries.

progree

(10,890 posts)
61. Exactly - the insurance companies insisted on the individual mandate before agreeing to cover
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 10:06 PM
Sep 2012

pre-existing conditions, back in the early stages of the formulation of ObamaCare. I'm sure that happened in Massachusetts too under Romney -- that's no doubt why RomneyCare in Mass. has an individual mandate. Romney is aware of this, so why he decided to open up the pre-existing can of worms (tied as it is to the individual mandate), who knows. Some desperation move on his part considering the recent poll numbers?

progree

(10,890 posts)
54. Mr. Wizard is going to do it all - let the magic of the marketplace work
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 09:58 PM
Sep 2012

That worked real well with Bush II, so no reason why it wouldn't work great with Romney {sarcasm}

Some comment I posted on a news article in response to some CONNEDservative goober:

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And don't fool yourself that Romney is going to fix things -- all he does is tell you he's going to cut tax rates 20%, increase core defense spending $2 trillion over a decade, and have balanced budgets -- yeah right, Mr. Wizard. He won't tell us how he might make all this happen, what tax deductions he's going to eliminate etc. No wonder Newsweek did a "Wimp Factor" cover story on him. Massachusetts under Mr. Wizard was 47th in job creation and first in per-capita debt. While the U.S. as a whole had 5% growth, Romney's Massachusetts grew 0.9%. And it had a decline in real median income. And you have no idea what Governor Etch-a-Sketch will do as president as he changes his positions radically depending on what campaign he's running.

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Now Romney is going to solve the problem of affordable premiums for pre-existing conditions (no details given except the magic of the unfettered marketplace). More Mr. Wizard. Wizard Mitt Romney, not Willard Mitt Romney.

spiderpig

(10,419 posts)
55. What is WRONG with this person???
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 09:58 PM
Sep 2012

I don't know how I can make it for 2 more months because every damn day this numbskull utters something so ridiculous I feel like my head will explode.

And with Ryan and Queen Ann in the mix, I feel defenseless.

I can't believe that anyone with functioning brain cells would vote for this nut. Well, unless you're part of the 1% or an animal abuser.

Yuk.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
84. Driving home today
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 11:55 PM
Sep 2012

I actually saw the car in front of me (a newer gray Ford Taurus) at a stop light with a Mitt bumper sticker on the OUTSIDE of the back window. At first, I started to take a picture with my phone but then, I had two thoughts.

FIRST-This is Michigan, the driver is driving a Ford Taurus and the person who they support for President stated "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt". God bless them.

SECOND- Yep, people who would vote for Mittens can't think as deeply as I just did in two minutes at a stop light.

Then I shook my head and drove on. Yes, the group that support Mittens have little to no functioning brain cells.

spiderpig

(10,419 posts)
91. Don't you just...
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 04:45 AM
Sep 2012

...shoot - I can't even describe it. Is half this nation in the grip of Stockholm syndrome or what!

(You ought to hear the yelling and screaming that emanates from this house when we see his stupid face of TV. Though we try to confine our viewing to Food Network and History Channel in the interest of our mental health.)

Oops - have to watch MasterChef and Hell's Kitchen, even though they're on Fox. Sorry!!!

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
56. The speed of his flip flop may very well have exceeded the speed of light...
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 09:59 PM
Sep 2012

If we could just harness the Romney Warp drive, we could send him away to wards the edge of the Universe.

CarmanK

(662 posts)
62. Private Insurance companies had 60 yrs to come up a universal plan, they chose profits!
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 10:08 PM
Sep 2012

And now the insurance companies have a puppet in Romney/Ryan and they expect to take us back wards. The insurance companies had plenty of time to come up with competitive marketable plans for individuals and families. Instead, they found ways to dump people whose health care requirements threatened their profits short term. The dumped small companies that had employees that got sicker than others or who had employees that made demands on the coverage. The increased Health care premiums for employees over 40% in last t 10 yrs and they created High Deductible plans that cost a fortune and put middle class families at a disadvantage. Imagine, an average income worker earning $36,000 a year paying $ 6,000 a yr in premiums and having to put another $3200 into a hlth savings plan to cover medical costs. That is a huge chunk of ppls earnings and it is a national disgrace. I used to think with 4 kids and a good insurance plan: $750.00 deductible, I still felt like I owed the pediatrician the national debt and never saw the end of the bills until the youngest was 12. And I cant imagine the agony of a mother not being able to get health care for a sick child. That has to be one of the most painful experiences in a life time.

Sandy one

(24 posts)
69. Romney is a Frightening Yo Yo
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 10:34 PM
Sep 2012

Another big fat Flip Flop. Romney is totally ridiculous. He has no policies at all. The tea party probably screamed bloody murder today regarding his Obamacare statement and here he went etch a skech again. How pathetic can this man be?

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
71. The half life of his lies is quickly decreasing.
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 10:46 PM
Sep 2012

Perhaps not coincidentally, the rate of decay of Romney's statements from "plausible" until they disappear in a puff of untruth seems to be following this graph:



Just replace "number of atoms of a specific isotope" with "number of people who believe Romney's latest bullshit statement" and soon the graphs might just be interchangeable.

Romney is definitely radioactive.

Zambero

(8,962 posts)
72. Etch-a-Sketch Alert!
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 10:48 PM
Sep 2012

They have most certainly been getting pushback on 'Obamacare'. I sense that the tide has turned on this issue. Romney had vowed to abolish 'Obamacare' in its entirety, but now SURPRISE! there are itty-bitty pieces of it he somehow likes, based a growing acknowledgement of the many benefits that this program includes. And what he still doesn't like no doubt falls under the broad definition of, uh, what's it called now -- Oh Yeah, ROMNEYCARE!

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
81. This MUST be one of the things clarified BIG-TIME
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 11:25 PM
Sep 2012

like during the debates..

This dude is slippery as a greased snake.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
82. I was extremely surprised when I read that earlier. Why?
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 11:35 PM
Sep 2012

I know a great many of the health insurance entities and pharmaceutical companies are donating heavily to Romney. Someone heard that statement and called the campaign to complain. These organizations don't want The Affordable Care Act repealed; they want the Republicans to win so the legislation stays in place (look at all those new customers!) but the consumer protection provisions repealed. Two in particular they want GONE are the provision banning discriminating against people with pre-existing conditions, including children born with them, and they want the lifetime caps on policies re-instituted. And so they shall be, Romney thinks, because it is what THEY want that is important....

Sam

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
86. Romney thinks Americana are idiots!
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 01:26 AM
Sep 2012

I have grown so weary of this campaign's bullshit!

First, they show up for the job interview and refuse to hand over their resume (tax
returns). Then, they lie their asses off about Obama gutting the welfare work requirement and about Obama raiding Medicare.

Now, they refuse to tell us details about their tax plan or how they would balance the budget.

It's just insulting and a big joke. These guys are not serious people. They sure as hell don't know how to run for office. How in the hell could they possibly run the country?

These two are a disgrace and their bullshit is getting real old real fast.

alp227

(32,005 posts)
87. I can't wait till the debates,
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 02:03 AM
Sep 2012

when Obama can tell Romney to his face about this typical flip flop. Like Ted Kennedy calling Romney "multiple choice" on abortion back in 1994.

Check out this site, WhichMitt.com, for more Romney flip flops. I'd like Obama to ask "which Mitt" sometime during a debate!

mojo2012

(290 posts)
93. MotherJones is great
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 06:24 AM
Sep 2012

But will this get out to the National Media? This news has to be out to as many people who watched MTP. Cause you know David Gregory won't say a peep

ck4829

(35,038 posts)
95. If the market made it available then we wouldn't have needed the law.
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 07:05 AM
Sep 2012

It's not Romney saying this that bothers me, it's the fact that there are people who will believe this does though.

greymattermom

(5,751 posts)
96. Maybe his plan is for people with preexisting conditions to buy into medicare at reasonable rates
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 08:02 AM
Sep 2012

Then, one by one, we'd all be on medicare as we develop all develop conditions at some time during our lives. Next thing you know, we'd have universal health care.

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
105. The Fort Worth Star Telegram gave the first statement big coverage
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 12:54 PM
Sep 2012

did not mention the backtrack. So, now voters think Romney wants to let those with pre-existing conditions get insurance, when the truth is he wants to let insurers do whatever makes them the most money, i.e. cherry pick healthy people.

JackHughes

(166 posts)
106. And to think Romney was the BEST of the Republican field
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 04:32 PM
Sep 2012

If anyone needs more proof that the Republican Party has devolved into a collection of criminals, religious kooks, half-wits and lunatics, they need look no further than the fact that Willard Mitt Romney was considered the best that the formerly Grand Old Party had to offer.

The important thing is that today's Republicans never, ever, be given access to nuclear weapons. It would be like giving a loaded pistol to a 3-year-old child.

Faygo Kid

(21,477 posts)
107. If he gets in, he immediately goes for broke to wreck Medicare, Social Security
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 06:33 PM
Sep 2012

and every program that he and the Koch brothers don't need. He's a hope killer.

sarge43

(28,940 posts)
108. That creature doesn't need an Etch-a-Sketch. He needs a trampoline.
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 06:40 PM
Sep 2012

He's a hollow man, nothing there but greed.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
115. From RW NY Daily News: "Health-care reform is Romney's preexisting condition"
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 07:56 AM
Sep 2012

In other words, his response to Obamacare and its individual mandate — the Obama policy that Republicans hate most, and one he promised to repeal on "day one" — is that he’ll get rid of the law...but keep many pieces of the same law. Sure, he’ll sign an Obamacare repeal if it passes through Congress, but he wants to let Americans have dessert without eating their peas.

Because dealing with the pre-existing condition problem — or allowing policyholders to keep adult children on their coverage — requires some kind of mechanism like the individual mandate. Otherwise, people will wait until they get sick to get insurance, and the market will completely break down.

That’s why there’s a mandate in Obamacare. And it’s why MassCare — a/k/a Romneycare — had the individual mandate built into it.

There's a chance Obamacare may not work in reality, but Romneycare Part Deux — the way Romney now describes it — won’t even work in theory.

But what’s worse is the story this tells about Romney: The politics of "have your cake and eat it too" is quickly becoming his calling card.


http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/the_rumble/2012/09/health-care-reform-is-romneys-preexisting-condition

While he panders to the right constantly, some seem to realize that he will say anything to anyone. His goal is not a particular set of policies. His only goal is to make Mitt Romney president.

Monk06

(7,675 posts)
116. Seems the Republican tactic this time around is lie on TV and tell the truth
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 08:08 AM
Sep 2012

through spokesmen and women 'clarifying' his positions ten minutes later after the show.

riverbendviewgal

(4,252 posts)
117. The show they lied on should always have a breaking news disclosure as soon as they take back their
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 08:54 AM
Sep 2012

lies

And also follow up a few times to ensure their listeners are informed of the actual truth.

Do this enough of times then maybe they may start telling the truth more often.

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