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LeighAnn

(2,446 posts)
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 04:24 AM Sep 2012

U.S. filmmaker: I won't return to besieged home

Source: USA Today

A filmmaker linked to an anti-Islamic movie inflaming protests across the Middle East was interviewed Saturday at a Los Angeles sheriff's station and afterward decided not to return to his home -- possibly heading into hiding, authorities said.

Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, 55, was interviewed by federal probation officers for about half an hour at the station shortly after 12 a.m. in his hometown of Cerritos, California, said Steve Whitmore, spokesman for the Los Angeles County sheriff's department. After that, deputies dropped Nakoula off at an undisclosed location.

<snip>

"I'm really tired," Steven Klein said when he answered the door of his home in Hemet, California, Friday with a pistol in his hand and clad only in a pair of white shorts stained with what appeared to be ink spots.

The newspaper said Klein, a Vietnam veteran, appeared agitated. While waving the gun, he told the newspaper he was standing up for his First Amendment rights in helping with the film and said he is prepared to die for those rights.


Read more: http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012/09/16/us-filmmaker-i-wont-return-to-besieged-home/57787268/1



It might be a lot harder now to find out whether it was Kock or Adelson who put him up to this
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U.S. filmmaker: I won't return to besieged home (Original Post) LeighAnn Sep 2012 OP
Or if he was a patsy for al-Qaeda considering the timing was on the 11 cstanleytech Sep 2012 #1
Yeah, he was at minimal a useful idiot. napoleon_in_rags Sep 2012 #2
useful idiots--like the teabaggers whining about Obama's foreign policy eom Kolesar Sep 2012 #6
So does releasing that film so close to election time oldsarge54 Sep 2012 #3
true enough 2pooped2pop Sep 2012 #15
Did you catch MSNBC on day 2 airing clips of Ronald Reagan speaking about the Iranian hostage crisi? proverbialwisdom Sep 2012 #22
I don't think oldsarge54 Sep 2012 #23
Of course I have considered it and its just as possible as any of the other theories like cstanleytech Sep 2012 #18
Collusion is not necessary when dealing with small minded bigots. Blue State Bandit Sep 2012 #13
And I am not saying it is necessary just that its one of the many possibilities. cstanleytech Sep 2012 #19
You are exactly right. This is a way to get diaspora muslims to support the embassy attacks without Monk06 Sep 2012 #30
Post removed Post removed Sep 2012 #4
What a maroon! longship Sep 2012 #5
Another NRA Poster Child oldsarge54 Sep 2012 #7
he needs to go into hiding SemperEadem Sep 2012 #8
I like the reference to Kline appearing at the door in white shorts stained -- jerseyjack Sep 2012 #9
It is quite an image in the mind, wasn't he the BADASS the other day, outing Muslim cells in CA??? winstars Sep 2012 #12
People who swat at hornets nests with baseball bats are idiots to begin with! King_Klonopin Sep 2012 #10
COWARD FUCK!!!! thats what trouble makers do start shit then sit back and hide bigdarryl Sep 2012 #11
He should watch his back davidpdx Sep 2012 #14
At least Salman Rushdie had some talent. Quantess Sep 2012 #16
Klein is on "suicided" watch. sofa king Sep 2012 #17
You made the mess, you deal with it. Fucking criminal. n/t progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #20
This whole affair stinks to high heaven BadGimp Sep 2012 #21
Unreal how little the First Amendment means to many here. n/t Psephos Sep 2012 #24
I agree. Pterodactyl Sep 2012 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Sep 2012 #35
Yep, I agree completely /nt Bragi Sep 2012 #37
Why do you assume one of those people put him up to this? oberliner Sep 2012 #25
I absolutely support his 1st Amendment rights MercutioATC Sep 2012 #26
when police show up at midnight to arrest you, your 1st Amendment rights are gone Psephos Sep 2012 #31
I don't understand what that has to do with my post MercutioATC Sep 2012 #33
He was picked up and questioned for a probation violation. HooptieWagon Sep 2012 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Sep 2012 #36
Is he an Egyptian citizen? mykpart Sep 2012 #27
Of course he won't - he's going back to jail for probation violations. kestrel91316 Sep 2012 #28
Shrug. Who cares. closeupready Sep 2012 #32
Does he really deserve the label "filmmaker" YankeyMCC Sep 2012 #38

cstanleytech

(26,080 posts)
1. Or if he was a patsy for al-Qaeda considering the timing was on the 11
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 05:11 AM
Sep 2012

anniversary of 9/11 and some of the attacks on the embassies seemed pretty well coordinated.

napoleon_in_rags

(3,991 posts)
2. Yeah, he was at minimal a useful idiot.
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 05:15 AM
Sep 2012

What happened there was a direct AQ style attack, but with this social veil, linking it to a cause less unpopular than simply "kill all the Americans". I think the situation is unquestionably evolving.

oldsarge54

(582 posts)
3. So does releasing that film so close to election time
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 05:49 AM
Sep 2012

Ever consider this is not a plot of any sort? With tweets and the internet you can get a pretty good short organizing. All these places have a history of protests since the Arab Spring. Never attribute to an evil mastermind when stupidity and sheer bloody mindedness. Stupidity on the alleged film maker, and the muslims do have a history of sheer bloody mindedness.

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
15. true enough
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 08:52 AM
Sep 2012

but the repiglicans also have a history of sheer bloody mindedness as well.

It's a shame that we have seen enough shit that we no longer believe anything our govt says, but that is where they brought us.

I don't believe for a second that this particular incident was pure ignorance. Terry Jones got people killed for burning the Quran. He knew exactly what would happen with this film.

It's timing is questionable. It's players are questionable. The seeming united attacks appear to be more than just coincidence.

proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
22. Did you catch MSNBC on day 2 airing clips of Ronald Reagan speaking about the Iranian hostage crisi?
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 03:14 PM
Sep 2012

Discussion moved to Carter's 'weakness.' Nauseating. I hit the OFF on the remote.

oldsarge54

(582 posts)
23. I don't think
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 04:09 PM
Sep 2012

Really, maybe I don't think. That Terry Jones knew that film would raise a ruckus, no doubt. What I'm doubting is that anyone on the muslim side was coordinating with anyone on this side. I mean if the AF could through Dorado Canyon together in half a day (and we did), why not, given the tweet and internet world in the middle east cannot throw assaults together in the same span of time? I don't doubt that they are organized. Maybe I am reading into what you are saying that this is a joint effort by the religious right and the muslims. I don't think you are saying that.

Mind you, it could be the Libya strike was pre-planned for 911 by Al quaida, but I think most of the reaction to the film was organic.

cstanleytech

(26,080 posts)
18. Of course I have considered it and its just as possible as any of the other theories like
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 02:18 PM
Sep 2012

he did it on his own and its just a coincidence that the attacks seemed so well coordinated.

Blue State Bandit

(2,122 posts)
13. Collusion is not necessary when dealing with small minded bigots.
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 08:36 AM
Sep 2012

They played right into AQ's hands, handing a propaganda victory to them on a silver screen... errr... platter.

What worries me, and should be considered, is whether instigation of violent reaction was the primary purpose of the film. I think that in such a case, emboldening the enemy, or even aiding and abetting the enemy should be considered by law enforcement.

We (as a country) arrest people all the time on a charge called "inciting a riot". Since the riot eventually took place on American soil (i.e. Sovereign American soil of a US Embassy), the Feds have jurisdiction. And since the rioting led to the death of 4 Americans who were within the property lines of the Benghazi Mission, those deaths can be tacted on as manslaughter charges w/ depraved indifference (again, on US soil).

Now were talking justifiable charges that preclude their ability to hide behind the 1st Amendment. If convicted, with consecutive sentences, his priors, and breach of parole agreement in the commission, we could be talking life in a federal pen.

cstanleytech

(26,080 posts)
19. And I am not saying it is necessary just that its one of the many possibilities.
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 02:21 PM
Sep 2012

If they were behind it I doubt they would admit it because after all they would then be guilty of the same "crime" they are rioting and killing over.

Monk06

(7,675 posts)
30. You are exactly right. This is a way to get diaspora muslims to support the embassy attacks without
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 11:21 PM
Sep 2012

directly supporting Al Qaeda. I'm beginning to feel a little sorry for this dumbass. Who would have thought an amateur Youtube vid could get you in so much trouble.

Response to LeighAnn (Original post)

oldsarge54

(582 posts)
7. Another NRA Poster Child
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 06:39 AM
Sep 2012

Our friend Stein seems to have forgotten the biggest lesson in social studies, with freedom comes responsibility. Freedom without responsibility is a license for self-indulgence.

SemperEadem

(8,053 posts)
8. he needs to go into hiding
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 06:48 AM
Sep 2012

preferrably over in the middle east.

Since he was grown enough to make the film, let him be grown enough to defend it where it caused the most upset. Why run like a little coward now?

 

jerseyjack

(1,361 posts)
9. I like the reference to Kline appearing at the door in white shorts stained --
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 06:54 AM
Sep 2012

with what appeared to be ink stains.

--think of anything else might have caused the stains?

winstars

(4,213 posts)
12. It is quite an image in the mind, wasn't he the BADASS the other day, outing Muslim cells in CA???
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 07:40 AM
Sep 2012

Hopefully, by now he is getting into Joe Pesce playing David Ferris' insanity from "JFK"...

To quote Jake LaMotta in "Raging Bull"--- "No more tough guy"



I am sure his insurance biz is doing better than ever now that EVERYONE knows who he is. Asshole.

"When I was in Viet Nam, killing VC blahblahblah..." WTF!!!

King_Klonopin

(1,305 posts)
10. People who swat at hornets nests with baseball bats are idiots to begin with!
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 07:03 AM
Sep 2012

Goodway to get stung. Reckless and irresponsible, to say the least.
People died because of this nit wit.

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
16. At least Salman Rushdie had some talent.
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 09:00 AM
Sep 2012

This "film" if you can even call it that, was nearly unwatchable, it was so poorly made.

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
17. Klein is on "suicided" watch.
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 09:41 AM
Sep 2012

That fellow Klein has already talked too much and it's only a matter of time before his masters silence him. He appears to know that, too.

The "Sam Bacile" guy seems to be more important. I expect he'll be spirited out of the country, to await a pardon from Jeb Bush in five years.

And hell yes, I think this was all a Republican-planned operation. You don't, after all we've been through? Give me one reason why they wouldn't try it, when they have escaped culpability for every dirty trick they have pulled since 1968.

Response to Psephos (Reply #24)

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
25. Why do you assume one of those people put him up to this?
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 10:25 PM
Sep 2012

Aren't there other, more likely possibilities given what we know so far?

 

MercutioATC

(28,470 posts)
26. I absolutely support his 1st Amendment rights
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 10:33 PM
Sep 2012

...and don't believe he should be charged criminally.

HOWEVER, I also believe that we all bear responsibility for the decisions we make. He did nothing ILLEGAL, but he caused harm. I don't believe that it's inconsistent to support his 1st Amendment rights and also believe that he also has to face the consequences of his actions.

Psephos

(8,032 posts)
31. when police show up at midnight to arrest you, your 1st Amendment rights are gone
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 09:16 AM
Sep 2012

can't be any clearer than that

Response to Psephos (Reply #31)

YankeyMCC

(8,401 posts)
38. Does he really deserve the label "filmmaker"
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 11:47 AM
Sep 2012

How about "Jerk goes into hiding and no one goes looking."

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