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highplainsdem

(48,902 posts)
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 10:19 PM Sep 2012

Ryan: Romney 'obviously inarticulate' in remarks

Source: AP via Boston Globe

RENO, Nev. (AP) — Mitt Romney’s running mate is calling the Republican presidential nominee ‘‘obviously inarticulate’’ when he remarked that nearly half of Americans believe they are victims and entitled to a range of government support.

-snip-

Asked what he thought of Romney’s remarks, Ryan told the Nevada station: ‘‘He was obviously inarticulate in making this point.’’ Ryan went on to say the point the Republicans are making is that, under the Obama economy, government dependency is up and economic stagnation is up.

Asked if he thought Romney regrets the remarks, Ryan says he thinks Romney would have said it differently, adding, ‘‘that’s for sure.’’


Read more: http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2012/president/candidates/romney/2012/09/18/ryan-romney-obviously-inarticulate-remarks/DE30PkQIY7KXbJ44iYuohP/story.html



Ryan labeled Romney "inarticulate" during an interview with KRNV-TV in Reno.



Editing to add the tweet from Politico's Roger Simon about this:

http://twitter.com/politicoroger/status/248241245007278080

Roger Simon
?@politicoroger

When's last time the No. 2 on the ticket publicly said the No. 1 was "inarticulate"?

9:04 PM - 18 Sep 12
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Ryan: Romney 'obviously inarticulate' in remarks (Original Post) highplainsdem Sep 2012 OP
Time to send the Champion of the Poor out to do battle for camp Romney otherone Sep 2012 #1
I dunno...his English sounded pretty clear to me BeyondGeography Sep 2012 #2
I thought his speech was very articulate. eggplant Sep 2012 #30
+100 - his "off the cuff" remarks are the most articulate he's sounded - including those made sad sally Sep 2012 #34
Down, down, down he goes renaissanceguy Sep 2012 #35
So the lying rodent is insulting his boss jsr Sep 2012 #3
Get Ready for Eastwood/Ryan 2012 NT FightingIrish Sep 2012 #4
Wow no one on their team is even trying anymore. mucifer Sep 2012 #5
exactly the opposite central scrutinizer Sep 2012 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Sep 2012 #7
"Inarticulate"? Stupid try, Eddie.. Cha Sep 2012 #8
This is funny as hell to me christx30 Sep 2012 #36
Coup d'etat within Republican Party. Heavy casualties, refugees overwhelm UN. leveymg Sep 2012 #9
So Paulie Ryan just threw Mittens Under the Bus too... LovingA2andMI Sep 2012 #10
We know that Biden thinks Obama is articulate oberliner Sep 2012 #11
No, I think he was very articulate. Bjorn Against Sep 2012 #12
I think he was articualte too Plucketeer Sep 2012 #63
You're still chained to him, pal. sofa king Sep 2012 #13
New Rmoney slogan: VOTE FOR THE INARTICULATE GUY! LOL n/t jtuck004 Sep 2012 #14
He was the most articulate I have ever heard Kingofalldems Sep 2012 #15
Actually the reverse is true, Aryan Major Nikon Sep 2012 #16
Actually, Romney was more articulate in that clip than in any campaign stop catbyte Sep 2012 #17
I'm obsessively Cha Sep 2012 #38
Damn...an election campaign that outdoes Palin...who'da thot it? dixiegrrrrl Sep 2012 #49
This is amusing. Dash87 Sep 2012 #18
sounded more articulate than normal. sounded like he believed what he was saying Fresh_Start Sep 2012 #19
He was obviously far more comfortable Major Nikon Sep 2012 #27
It would be Sweet! If mitt Cha Sep 2012 #39
I listened to the whole vidoe, Romney was very articulate... Agnosticsherbet Sep 2012 #20
+1!!!!! Cha Sep 2012 #41
Ryan, Not Romney, Is The One Being Inarticulate Here DallasNE Sep 2012 #21
Precisely! Ryan jumps out to cover for Romney and Cha Sep 2012 #42
?? heaven05 Sep 2012 #55
ThinkProgress has video of Ryan's remarks. Link: highplainsdem Sep 2012 #22
But....but....Romney says he STANDS BY his 47% statement. LovingA2andMI Sep 2012 #24
Just the opposite, really. Indpndnt Sep 2012 #23
whoah.... robinlynne Sep 2012 #25
Ryan calling Mitt inarticulate? Yuk yuk yuk! marble falls Sep 2012 #26
Lost my dictionary. Does inarticulate mean grossly stupid? efhmc Sep 2012 #28
Not unstandable, I believe. juajen Sep 2012 #31
Ryan knows this race is over, he's working on 2016 tomm2thumbs Sep 2012 #29
Ryan will never be trusted to run. oldbanjo Sep 2012 #54
I almost choked on my saltine when I laughed hysterically at this. kestrel91316 Sep 2012 #32
"government dependency is up and economic stagnation is up". bhikkhu Sep 2012 #33
I've never sat through an election watching it on DU... lexw Sep 2012 #37
Oh honey, you missed something glorious in 2008. dixiegrrrrl Sep 2012 #51
How does being 'obviously inarticulate' compare to flat out lying, Mr. Ryan? Bozita Sep 2012 #40
There's not an articulate bone in that mans body liberal N proud Sep 2012 #43
'Inarticulate' is a pretty inarticulate way to describe Romney's speech. Kablooie Sep 2012 #44
With friends like Ryan, who need enemas? nt GliderGuider Sep 2012 #45
Whereas Ryan would have simply lied about it. tanyev Sep 2012 #46
I actually believe that Ryan is even more of a hypocrite than Romney. olegramps Sep 2012 #47
in-art-ic-eww? what? mwooldri Sep 2012 #48
Ryan goes 'rogue!' joanbarnes Sep 2012 #50
"obviously inarticulate" anagrams to "vacuous intolerability" mikeytherat Sep 2012 #52
Video Of The Event (Romney/Ryan = Sternn/Fiste) thelordofhell Sep 2012 #53
very heaven05 Sep 2012 #57
well heaven05 Sep 2012 #56
Infight! Infight! Infight! sakabatou Sep 2012 #58
Nice try, but Rmoney made himself perfectly clear. polichick Sep 2012 #59
Nonsense. That was the smoothest and most polished I've seen him. nichomachus Sep 2012 #60
He would have said it differently if he'd known he was being recorded! Beartracks Sep 2012 #61
I dunno Paul.... AlbertCat Sep 2012 #62
See our FRiends react to this alp227 Sep 2012 #64
There's no "there" there... King_Klonopin Sep 2012 #65
Bullshit. Paul - he was more articulate and passionate than he ever is with the rest of us. ehrnst Sep 2012 #66
meaning daybranch Sep 2012 #67
It's gonna snow - LibertyLover Sep 2012 #68

eggplant

(3,908 posts)
30. I thought his speech was very articulate.
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 10:59 PM
Sep 2012

There was a moment in there when he actually sounded passionate about what he was saying. And for Mittens, that's saying quite a lot.

Inarticulate? Sorry, that dog won't hunt.

sad sally

(2,627 posts)
34. +100 - his "off the cuff" remarks are the most articulate he's sounded - including those made
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 11:19 PM
Sep 2012

dueing the primary debates.

Listening to the 45 minutes of tape made me take back every comment I've made about him sounding like he has dementia. He's a wolf in sheep's clothing - not a person to be trusted.

renaissanceguy

(1,729 posts)
35. Down, down, down he goes
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 11:31 PM
Sep 2012

I really believe that this is the video that brings down his whole campaign. We haven't seen Romney speak with so much conviction like that. His best bet is to own what he said... and lose the election, because he is wrong for the country!



http://www.cafepress.com/liberalissues.619026493

central scrutinizer

(11,637 posts)
6. exactly the opposite
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 10:25 PM
Sep 2012

t his is the first time I thought Rmoney was not struggling to remember his lines. this is how he really thinks and feels and he sounded completely natural and comfortable.

Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Cha

(296,821 posts)
8. "Inarticulate"? Stupid try, Eddie..
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 10:30 PM
Sep 2012

You mean.. "the tape exposed him as a Sneering Plutocrat...whadda ya gonna do?"

christx30

(6,241 posts)
36. This is funny as hell to me
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 11:46 PM
Sep 2012

When your running mate is doing damage control by saying you are 'inarticulate', that's just sad. It's like a lawyer saying "I know my client was found with a knife covered in the victims blood with 'I heart murder' tattooed on his arm. And I know that he screamed that he hated the victim and is glad he's dead nearly every day of the trial...".
So the choice here is an inarticulate person that has contempt for nearly half of the US population, or Obama. Not a tough decision

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
9. Coup d'etat within Republican Party. Heavy casualties, refugees overwhelm UN.
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 10:32 PM
Sep 2012

State Department declares no-fly zone "to protect lives and property."

Ryan forces advancing under NATO air cover toward possible victory in South Carolina, Alabama, Mississippl, and North Dakota.

Saudi Arabia may be willing to accept Romney and his entourage.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
10. So Paulie Ryan just threw Mittens Under the Bus too...
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 10:32 PM
Sep 2012

Here's the skinny. Paulie met with those same 15 individuals in a secret meeting, you know, like the SAME SECRET meeting they had the SAME DAY President Obama was sworn into office. Okay, anyway they told Paulie something like this.....

"Look, we screwed up. Mittens mouth can't be controlled. He's revealing our barely invisible strategy of destroying Middle Class America and the Black Guy because he would keep his gosh darn mouth shut. So, here is the situation. You, NOW....right now....go out and throw this idiot WAY UNDER THE BUS. Bury him with under the tire. Put him on fire if you can. Either way, DISTANCE YOURSELF from this FREAKING IDIOT NOW!

Good thing, if you do this, the Koch's Brothers and big money said they pledge their undying support to your Presidential election in 2016."

Paulie, "Okay, anything to please the Koch's and all."

Cantor thinking, "He had no idea my fingers were crossed behind my back. Idiot, he actually thinks we would run HIM for President in 2016. Chances this is happening is the same chance idiot Mittens returning his offshore accounts back to the USA."

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
11. We know that Biden thinks Obama is articulate
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 10:32 PM
Sep 2012

Remember that nonsense from last time around?

Articulate, bright, and clean.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
12. No, I think he was very articulate.
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 10:33 PM
Sep 2012

I understood EXACTLY what he was saying and he understood it as well, he just hoped the rest of us wouldn't hear.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
63. I think he was articualte too
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 08:14 PM
Sep 2012

What someone needs to ask him is what different words he'd have chosen to say the exact same things he said. Let's hear 'em, Mitt! Say it differently without changing the message - hell, you went to two big-time universities. How hard can it be???

Major Nikon

(36,818 posts)
16. Actually the reverse is true, Aryan
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 10:34 PM
Sep 2012

Willard articulated his ideas perfectly and were extremely well received by its intended audience.

The only thing that's "obvious" is your pathetic attempt at damage control.

catbyte

(34,333 posts)
17. Actually, Romney was more articulate in that clip than in any campaign stop
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 10:34 PM
Sep 2012

Nice try, Lyin Ryan, but us miserable, pathetic, 47% moochers have eyes.

I must admit I am enjoying this way too much, lol.

Cha

(296,821 posts)
38. I'm obsessively
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 12:12 AM
Sep 2012

enjoying this waaay tooo much!

But, since we know the background of being Insulted for months on end by willard mitt romney..it's time to Enjoy the bounty of mitt's reaping what he's sown.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
49. Damn...an election campaign that outdoes Palin...who'da thot it?
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 11:59 AM
Sep 2012

Before Palin, you had to go all the way back to Dan Quayle for election humor.

Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
19. sounded more articulate than normal. sounded like he believed what he was saying
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 10:35 PM
Sep 2012

not buying that line of BS Ryan.
I sincerely hope your association with Romney sinks your boat forever.

Major Nikon

(36,818 posts)
27. He was obviously far more comfortable
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 10:49 PM
Sep 2012

When Willard knows there's a mic on it takes him twice as long to articulate his message just because he knows he can't say what he really thinks.

Cha

(296,821 posts)
39. It would be Sweet! If mitt
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 12:14 AM
Sep 2012

plucked Lying Ryan out of the crop of vp candidates to destroy him on a national stage along with his truly.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
20. I listened to the whole vidoe, Romney was very articulate...
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 10:36 PM
Sep 2012

He spoke clearly.

I don't think Ryan knows the exact meaning of inarticulate.

That makes both of them stupid.

Cha

(296,821 posts)
41. +1!!!!!
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 12:17 AM
Sep 2012

Lyin's using words he'll think the teabaggers will understand. He apparently doesn't care that he looks stupid.

DallasNE

(7,402 posts)
21. Ryan, Not Romney, Is The One Being Inarticulate Here
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 10:41 PM
Sep 2012

Inarticulate: Incapable of giving coherent, clear, or effective expression to one's ideas or feelings.

Romney expressed himself very clearly regarding his ideas and feelings so it was not a problem with how he expressed himself. The problem was how it reflected on his character and leadership and it showed both to be completely lacking.

Ryan, on the otherhand was inarticulate because he wasn't coherent nor effective in expressing his ideas and feelings. Words have meaning and Romney's words were clearly expressed while Ryan was just saying anything to cover Romney's butt.

Cha

(296,821 posts)
42. Precisely! Ryan jumps out to cover for Romney and
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 12:26 AM
Sep 2012

he ends up being the Inarticulate one.

Could these bozos get anymore screwed..like they're trying to do to the American People?

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
24. But....but....Romney says he STANDS BY his 47% statement.
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 10:45 PM
Sep 2012
In an interview with Fox News's Neil Cavuto on Tuesday, Mitt Romney continued to stand by his statements in the secretly recorded donor video.

"We were of course talking about a campaign and about how he's going to get half the vote," Romney said. "And frankly we have two very different views of America."

"Those that are dependent on government and those that think government’s job is to redistribute -- I’m not going to get them," he said later.

While Romney allowed that some of the people who don't pay income taxes may be his supporters -- senior citizens or members of the military, for instance -- he argued that his message about "the 47 percent" would resonate."


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/17/mitt-romney-video_n_1829455.html

So if that's the case Paulie did toss Mitt RIGHT UNDER the BUS! And said.....

Indpndnt

(2,391 posts)
23. Just the opposite, really.
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 10:42 PM
Sep 2012

Willard was very articulate. He seemed right at home and more relaxed than we've ever seen him. He had a lot to say, too. Quite a bit more than was required to impress his millionaire donors. He couldn't help himself. He told them the truth about his 'vision' of the country.

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
29. Ryan knows this race is over, he's working on 2016
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 10:57 PM
Sep 2012

He is a brown-nosing SOB who will ride anyone's coat tails, even a GOP corpse, to higher office

Not to say that Romney is a walking-zombie candidate

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
32. I almost choked on my saltine when I laughed hysterically at this.
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 11:17 PM
Sep 2012

He did NOT say that, did he??????

ZOMG, is Ryan a secret Democratic operative sent to scuttle what remains of the Rmoney campaign?????

bhikkhu

(10,711 posts)
33. "government dependency is up and economic stagnation is up".
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 11:19 PM
Sep 2012

Recovering from the massive bush recession - duh.

What is most important is the direction of things - which is away from the massive bush recession and the asshattery that got us into the mess to begin with.

lexw

(804 posts)
37. I've never sat through an election watching it on DU...
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 12:00 AM
Sep 2012

Were the Bush 2004 and the McCain runs this much of a circus? I just can't believe what's going on here—and it's on a daily basis! I can't help but wonder if it's because I'm only seeing one side on DU...? I love it, though.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
51. Oh honey, you missed something glorious in 2008.
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 12:18 PM
Sep 2012

DU was the only place I needed to watch the election unfold.
There were links to the funniest sites and video clips, memes and photoshops of glorious quality, and some of the best snark in the whole Inter-verse, all in real time.
Gramps and Palin could not sneeze without it being on DU 2 seconds later.
Had no tv, needed no tv.
DU provided it all.

But Palin pales before the grandiosity and smugness of Rmoney.

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
47. I actually believe that Ryan is even more of a hypocrite than Romney.
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 11:01 AM
Sep 2012

Ryan parades himself as a faithful Christian. In reality he is like the Pharisees who Jesus condemned for their open display of holiness but were in reality 'whitewashed tombs, which look fine on the outside but are full of bones and decaying corpses on the inside." How true was His teaching, "They tie onto people's backs loads that are heavy and hard to carry, yet aren't willing even to lift a finger to help them carry those loads." Mt. 23... Rather than have any compassion for the people struggling to survive they both condemn them as worthless parasites and are consumed with greed.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
56. well
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 02:35 PM
Sep 2012

haven't heard much from the tea party membership and that is strange to me since 95% of that membership is in that 47% their leader/candidate spoke of

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
60. Nonsense. That was the smoothest and most polished I've seen him.
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 03:39 PM
Sep 2012

It was the same with Bush. When he talked mean, when he talked about killing people, when he talked about punishing liberals, he was smooth as silk.

It was when he tried to be compassionate, to show some consideration for those less fortunate, etc. that he couldn't string five words together coherently.

Beartracks

(12,797 posts)
61. He would have said it differently if he'd known he was being recorded!
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 05:23 PM
Sep 2012

What you say and how you act in private is much more revealing.

=================

King_Klonopin

(1,306 posts)
65. There's no "there" there...
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 04:42 AM
Sep 2012

I think I finally have a grasp of this man, Romney.

We think he's a complete liar, but this implies that he knows
the truth. I don't think he knows or cares about "truth", or
right vs. wrong. In order to lie, one must know the truth.

His driving force is "I want", and, therefore, he will say anything
to achieve that end. His intention isn't to fool people; it's to get
what he wants. So he tells a bunch of aristocrats what he believes
they want to hear. This is beyond pandering or clever manipulation.
Good liars aren't this incoherent, inconsistent or contradictory.

I don't think he has animosity toward the poor or sympathy
toward the rich. He just wants to be President and can't even
give us a good reason why -- except that he wants to have it.

It's like a child who lies to his parents that he needs milk money
for school but really wants to use the money to go to the movies.
Most children have an awareness that this is a lie.
Mitt lacks this awareness. His only conscious thoughts are about
getting what he wants. If he gets what he wants (whether it be
the movies or the Presidency) then all is well and he's done nothing
wrong.

And why does Ann Romney remind me of Carmela Soprano ?

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
66. Bullshit. Paul - he was more articulate and passionate than he ever is with the rest of us.
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 08:06 AM
Sep 2012

People are pissed because he was articulate.

LibertyLover

(4,788 posts)
68. It's gonna snow -
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 11:00 AM
Sep 2012

I agree with Ryan on something - Mitt is inarticulate. Is that the sort of person we want, or can afford to have in these times, as president - someone who can't express himself clearly and concisely without resorting to a speechwriter? I think not.

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