Investigation finds no evidence AG Eric Holder knew of 'Fast and Furious' gun-running sting
Source: NBC News
A long-awaited report on the U.S. governments controversial gun-trafficking operation known as Fast and Furious released Wednesday found no evidence that Attorney General Eric Holder knew of the botched effort to trace the flow of guns to Mexicos drug cartels prior to its public unraveling in January 2011.
The report by the Justice Departments inspector general said there "no evidence that Attorney General Eric Holder was informed about Operation Fast and Furious, or learned about the tactics employed by ATF in the investigation" before Congress began pressing him for information about it in early 2011.
The inspector general did determine that the acting deputy attorney general, Gary Grindler, received a briefing about the ill-fated gun-tracing operation in March 2010, but that the briefing "failed to alert Grindler to problems in the investigation."
Read more: http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/19/13966068-investigation-finds-no-evidence-ag-eric-holder-knew-of-fast-and-furious-gun-running-sting?lite
more at link
monmouth
(21,078 posts)statement that Eric Holder "was one of the most corrupt people in the administration," before he went on to malign Nancy Pelosi. I wondered about that statement and wonder if this is what his low information comment was about.
democrat_patriot
(2,774 posts)You know...'those people'.
Panasonic
(2,921 posts)for a permanent expulsion from Congress?
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)They've been hoping to impeach Holder/Obama with this or some other trumped up charges.
The DU Gun Lobby is MIA on this thread. Maybe they're too busy having a collective whine-fest at the latest developments in the SYG murder case of Zimmerman.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)How have you been? Say hello to everyone.
The DU Gun Lobby in the gungeon seem to be quite content spewing their lies without your inconvenient truths to sully their bubble world.
I might be joining you soon. Look at this post, about how worthless my posts are. Note the sender:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=72849
Just a matter of time until I get the Zimmerman treatment over there. I'll try to relate your greetings to everyone while I still can.
Kingofalldems
(38,361 posts)Imagine that.
librechik
(30,663 posts)why did Holder not know? mostly because the program had already ended months before he took office. But facts like these will not sway the RW narrative against Holder.
former9thward
(31,806 posts)Fast and Furious began in November, 2009. Holder was the AG then.
pkdu
(3,977 posts)former9thward
(31,806 posts)Hmmmmm. I just go by what the Inspector General's report said. http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/Fast_Furious_Report.pdf
lamp_shade
(14,796 posts)hughee99
(16,113 posts)can decide to hand guns over to violent criminals, and no one is required to actually tell the AG about it?
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)bpj62
(997 posts)Darryll Issa filed a civil case demanding that Holder and the Whitehouse turn over the disputed emails. Does this revelation by the IG make that civil filing moot. I have a feeling that Issa will take this case to the Supreme Court.
mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)I heard that coming from the east from California.
Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)I can't just imagine the cons spitting at the screen as they type.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)"Fast and Furious" was a reference to some guys they were monitoring who were running guns and using the money to trick out their cars. The officers wanted to arrest them but couldn't because the laws were too lenient.
The whole "Fast and Furious" story as presented by the Right Wing was a fiction.
underpants
(182,284 posts)On June 1, Dodson used $2,500 in ATF funds to purchase six AK Draco pistols from local gun dealers, and gave these to Fernandez, who reimbursed him and gave him $700 for his efforts. Two days later, according to case records, Dodsonwho would later testify that in his previous experience, "if even one [gun] got away from us, nobody went home until we found it"left on a scheduled vacation without interdicting the guns
http://features.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2012/06/27/fast-and-furious-truth/
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)...the agency itself had no gun walking program.
former9thward
(31,806 posts)It says officers wanted to arrest gun runners but were prevented by supervisors. Nothing about laws being too lenient.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)former9thward
(31,806 posts)I also read the conclusions of the IG report. Maybe you should try that. http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/Fast_Furious_Report.pdf
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)former9thward
(31,806 posts)It is very thorough and complete, over 500 pages. I'll go by that, thanks.
pkdu
(3,977 posts)former9thward
(31,806 posts)Try it. It won't bite you. http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/Fast_Furious_Report.pdf
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)underpants
(182,284 posts)granted the OIG report is more complete but the Fortune article spells out succinctly what all of the elements of this disaster were.
The Fortune article, of course, didn't or couldn't state Holder's knowledge of the operation.
hack89
(39,171 posts)where they promptly lost track of them.
This is the actual footnote from the report that explains the Fast and Furious name.
et al. The investigation of Patino was initially opened as a separate matter. The merged
investigation carried the Chambers case name, but was also referred to as the Fast and the
Furious no later than February 2010 when agents learned that subjects of the investigation
were members of a car club and ATF received approval to conduct the case as an OCDETF
investigation. We refer to the Chambers investigation as Operation Fast and Furious for
purposes of this report.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)From the article:
"The ATF's accusers seem untroubled by evidence that the policy they have pilloried didn't actually exist."
The whole point was to attack for political gain.
former9thward
(31,806 posts)For the reasons we explained in Chapter Four, we found that
even though these FFLs were not under the direct supervision and control of
ATF agents as the FFL was in Operation Wide Receiver, the extent and nature
of ATFs requests for cooperation from FFL1 and FFL2 created at least the
appearance that sales to particular Operation Fast and Furious subjects were
made with ATFs approval and authorization.
Second, the relationships with the FFLs in these two investigations
created at least the appearance that ATF agents approved or encouraged sales
of firearms that they knew were unlawful and that they did not intend to seize.
In Operation Wide Receiver, agents clearly sanctioned the unlawful sale of
firearms; in Operation Fast and Furious, we found that agents emphasized to
the cooperating FFLs the value of their cooperation and sought additional
cooperation that could be satisfied only by completing sales, at least giving the
impression to these FFLs that ATF wanted the sales to continue.
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/Fast_Furious_Report.pdf
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)former9thward
(31,806 posts)I posted the link to the entire report. People can decide who to believe - you or the IG.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)The article by Fortune blew the lid off of this whole thing.
That's why you don't hear about it anymore.
Except for the cleanup on aisle 9....
former9thward
(31,806 posts)Ok. Aisle 9 for the tin foil hats.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)pkdu
(3,977 posts)"at least the impression" too....
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)that undoubtedly led to the deaths of people. People definitely deserve to go to jail for this.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)underpants
(182,284 posts)EverLoving
But then we all knew after the Fortune magazine article 3 months ago
http://features.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2012/06/27/fast-and-furious-truth/