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(26,487 posts)
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 01:36 PM Jan 2020

AP Exclusive: Woman who says Trump raped her seeks his DNA

Source: Associated Press

By JENNIFER PELTZ

NEW YORK (AP) — Lawyers for a woman who accuses President Donald Trump of raping her in the 1990s are asking for a DNA sample, seeking to determine whether his genetic material is on a dress she says she wore during the encounter.

Advice columnist E. Jean Carroll’s lawyers served notice to a Trump attorney Thursday for Trump to submit a sample on March 2 in Washington for “analysis and comparison against unidentified male DNA present on the dress.”

Carroll filed a defamation suit against Trump in November after the president denied her allegation. Her lawyer, Roberta Kaplan, then had the black wool coat-style dress tested. A lab report with the legal notice says DNA found on the sleeves was a mix of at least four people, at least one of them male.

Several other people were tested and eliminated as possible contributors to the mix, according to the lab report, which was obtained by The Associated Press. Their names are redacted.

Read more: https://apnews.com/0475983f6c1e40628d2a3058e270a747

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AP Exclusive: Woman who says Trump raped her seeks his DNA (Original Post) swag Jan 2020 OP
Well, wouldn't that be the final irony... hlthe2b Jan 2020 #1
esp if dress is blue, lol nt Fresh_Start Jan 2020 #2
it's black. mopinko Jan 2020 #13
black is fine, too nt Fresh_Start Jan 2020 #15
Okay, both dresses were dark. 'The dark dress again'. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2020 #42
She's worn the dress since as well. Calista241 Jan 2020 #71
nope mopinko Jan 2020 #72
She has worn it since. Calista241 Jan 2020 #73
How do you know the DNA samples and tests were done after the photo shoot? Pachamama Feb 2020 #77
I wonder if that would be impeachable? getagrip_already Jan 2020 #4
Ken Starr will assure us that it's not an impeachable offense. yardwork Jan 2020 #24
OMG ! Please... if there is a god hope it is a woman. DURHAM D Jan 2020 #3
+ 1000 Delmette2.0 Jan 2020 #22
some of us are sure She is. demigoddess Jan 2020 #66
Kick dalton99a Jan 2020 #5
Omigod! Dershowitz is passed out in some alley! Baitball Blogger Jan 2020 #6
This would be great ScratchCat Jan 2020 #7
Fucking finally! karin_sj Jan 2020 #8
E Jean Carroll says dress has been tested - they only need Orange Julius's DNA Dennis Donovan Jan 2020 #9
It shows positive for male DNA. BUT I am not going to get my hopes up grantcart Jan 2020 #20
I don't have twitter, but someone who does, tell her to upload the results to GedMatch CanonRay Jan 2020 #33
I was going to say that one of that beautiful orange hair would be enough, but then I thought Perseus Jan 2020 #10
can't imagine they could get his ejaculate MissMillie Jan 2020 #12
Drool from a burger box. denem Jan 2020 #16
They don't actually need a sample of sperm from him lunatica Jan 2020 #52
If all they need is spit louis-t Jan 2020 #57
The opportunities are endless lunatica Jan 2020 #60
I'm aware MissMillie Jan 2020 #58
Sorry! lunatica Jan 2020 #59
no worries MissMillie Jan 2020 #64
Is it a blue dress? Nitram Jan 2020 #11
it's black mopinko Jan 2020 #14
A thought.... irisblue Jan 2020 #17
If she gets it videohead5 Jan 2020 #18
Cheek swab for genealogy purposes bucolic_frolic Jan 2020 #19
"The DNA of the president* is protected by blanket Executive Privilege!!!" forgotmylogin Jan 2020 #45
There have to be people surrounding him in the WH who hate his guts. llmart Jan 2020 #21
A fast food straw. yardwork Jan 2020 #26
Also, llmart Jan 2020 #32
Where's Maury Povich, gab13by13 Jan 2020 #23
Just gonna put this out there, but you'd have to believe there are enough people Texin Jan 2020 #25
Chain of custody, want an official sample to hang him in court bigbrother05 Jan 2020 #29
Civil suit, Clinton had to comply while in office bigbrother05 Jan 2020 #27
convoluted? No normal person would say it was not "sexual relations". nt USALiberal Jan 2020 #35
It wouldn't mean anything. Unless it's a sample that was gotten at the time, by the police AJT Jan 2020 #28
But just suppose the samples bucolic_frolic Jan 2020 #31
He would say that the encounter was consensual Jose Garcia Jan 2020 #37
And who would you believe bucolic_frolic Jan 2020 #38
"sample that was gotten at the time, by the police" Talitha Jan 2020 #46
Next, on "Forensic Files". generalbetrayus Jan 2020 #30
Looking forward to Ken Starr arguing that DNA testing a dress is wrong. RedSpartan Jan 2020 #34
You know it's coming Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2020 #48
Ken Starr says: IOKYAR Hekate Jan 2020 #36
I hope all the people handling it are wearing reinforced HazMat suits. George II Jan 2020 #39
Well, lets see about this olddad65 Jan 2020 #40
Also, she's not his type, that he can tell us. He has his standards as to who he considers raping. Timer Jan 2020 #53
this will get resolved on the twelth of never. maxsolomon Jan 2020 #41
DNA on a dress may be proof of nothing. JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2020 #43
it would be proof lied.... getagrip_already Jan 2020 #47
Civil? Ok, but, she said he raped her. He denied it. JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2020 #50
Even if Trump's DNA could be identified, Timer Jan 2020 #56
By "the court", you mean, like Justice Kavanaugh? JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2020 #62
Just denying you had sex with a particular person would not be enough for defamation Polybius Jan 2020 #69
This will be an interesting contest amongst those who handle his food. truthisfreedom Jan 2020 #44
Oh, yes! What a delicious thought... CTyankee Jan 2020 #70
My Take... flotsam Jan 2020 #49
Look. He could have raped her on top of his Oval Office desk on national television totodeinhere Jan 2020 #51
Why does this make me want to puke? Vinca Jan 2020 #54
A stunt. He will just claim consensual adult sex. Grasswire2 Jan 2020 #55
Start DNA searching those geneology databases DeminPennswoods Jan 2020 #61
My guess is that Trump's DNA is classified. dchill Jan 2020 #63
We don't need to see it BlueIdaho Jan 2020 #65
Black could be the new blue... KewlKat Jan 2020 #67
The article now says that they found 'skin cells' from 4 people on the sleeve... Princess Turandot Jan 2020 #68
Well...there's got to be some blood samples taken from tRump during his residency*. Texin Jan 2020 #74
K&R ck4829 Feb 2020 #75
There is a dress Gothmog Feb 2020 #76

mopinko

(70,086 posts)
13. it's black.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 02:30 PM
Jan 2020

but i knew this was going to happen. she said she hung the dress up and it stayed there.

mopinko

(70,086 posts)
72. nope
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 10:39 AM
Jan 2020

when the story first came out she said she took it off that day, hung it up, and never wore it again.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
73. She has worn it since.
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 10:53 AM
Jan 2020

"Their names are redacted, but the report indicates they were involved in a photo shoot where she wore the dress last year, the only time Carroll says she has donned the dress since the alleged assault."

https://apnews.com/0475983f6c1e40628d2a3058e270a747

The fact is, she's worn the dress more than once, and she wore it to monetize her allegations. I want Trump gone as much as anyone, but Carroll has done a lot to discredit and needlessly complicate her own lawsuit.

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
77. How do you know the DNA samples and tests were done after the photo shoot?
Mon Feb 3, 2020, 09:41 AM
Feb 2020

I will bet that before she went public, she met with lawyers and they had it tested before the photo shoot in order to be prepared for what they hoped could be brought to trial.

The photo shoot was the PR launch to tell the truth and they let the accused know in advance that there was evidence and it had been preserved and “hung up and not worn since”.

That was a deliberate and purposeful statement. Jean Carroll is a smart woman with people around her and they made sure when they began this to dot the i’s and cross the t’s. And preserve the chain of evidence.

getagrip_already

(14,712 posts)
4. I wonder if that would be impeachable?
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 01:43 PM
Jan 2020

But if the judge grants the request and issues a subpoena for it, trumps refusal to provide it would be damning to his case. It would probably be a slam dunk victory for the plaintif.

Baitball Blogger

(46,700 posts)
6. Omigod! Dershowitz is passed out in some alley!
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 01:47 PM
Jan 2020

Quickly, someone put Trump on the stand and swear him in

karin_sj

(808 posts)
8. Fucking finally!
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 02:05 PM
Jan 2020

But these rotten hypocrites will never allow it, despite that the argued the complete opposite during the Clinton impeachment.

CanonRay

(14,101 posts)
33. I don't have twitter, but someone who does, tell her to upload the results to GedMatch
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 03:17 PM
Jan 2020

and we'll figure out if it belongs to the Orange Moron.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
10. I was going to say that one of that beautiful orange hair would be enough, but then I thought
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 02:16 PM
Jan 2020

is that his real hair?

Maybe Stormy kept something?

MissMillie

(38,553 posts)
12. can't imagine they could get his ejaculate
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 02:29 PM
Jan 2020

He'd argue that national security would be compromised if he couldn't tweet.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
52. They don't actually need a sample of sperm from him
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 04:14 PM
Jan 2020

DNA is the same no matter where they take the sample. That’s why all they need is a sample of spit. The question is whether the DNA sample that’s on the dress is sperm. If it is they have a case for rape or sexual assault. If it isn’t then it just means he left DNA from another type of encounter.

louis-t

(23,292 posts)
57. If all they need is spit
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 05:20 PM
Jan 2020

have someone stand in front of him at one of his Nazi rallies wearing cotton. There should be enough DNA in that garment to nail him.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
60. The opportunities are endless
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 06:43 PM
Jan 2020

Go to the White House dumpster and collect all the discarded MacDonald’s cups. Arrest anything he’s touched his anus mouth to. Take a swab from Putin’s ass. You know, endless!

llmart

(15,536 posts)
21. There have to be people surrounding him in the WH who hate his guts.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 02:45 PM
Jan 2020

Can't someone do us all a favor and submit a sample?

Texin

(2,595 posts)
25. Just gonna put this out there, but you'd have to believe there are enough people
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 02:57 PM
Jan 2020

in the WH who are on the domestic service staff, porters, etc., who would probably be more than willing to confiscate hairs out of a brush, lift a toothbrush, drinking glass or, as some have suggested, napkins or partially eaten McMacs or Kentucky Fried chicken, who would gladly provide the samples to the prosecutors.

bigbrother05

(5,995 posts)
29. Chain of custody, want an official sample to hang him in court
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 03:03 PM
Jan 2020

If he's truly innocent, he should agree to give the sample to clear his name.

Yeah, right.

bigbrother05

(5,995 posts)
27. Civil suit, Clinton had to comply while in office
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 03:00 PM
Jan 2020

Ken Starr was investigating White Water, but morphed to Paula Jones then to Monica to finally get him in a perjury trap. Nothing was criminal until he lied under oath when Starr pushed a convoluted definition of "sexual relations".

AJT

(5,240 posts)
28. It wouldn't mean anything. Unless it's a sample that was gotten at the time, by the police
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 03:01 PM
Jan 2020

it is still a he said/she said.

bucolic_frolic

(43,133 posts)
38. And who would you believe
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 03:23 PM
Jan 2020

the liar, or a woman who states she never wanted to get involved with that creep?

Talitha

(6,582 posts)
46. "sample that was gotten at the time, by the police"
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 03:47 PM
Jan 2020

I imagine the scumbag would have ordered his goons to dispose of that evidence a long time ago.

generalbetrayus

(507 posts)
30. Next, on "Forensic Files".
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 03:04 PM
Jan 2020

If Donald refuses to give a DNA sample, I can see a private detective following the trash truck off the White House grounds to the dump, and digging through the trash to find a Diet Coke can with Donald's DNA on it.

olddad65

(599 posts)
40. Well, lets see about this
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 03:25 PM
Jan 2020

He has never met the person. Doesn’t recall raping her. Its a hoax, and he can’t provide her a sample because it is a matter of national security. Although, he would love to give her the sample, and he would love to testify, if he could

Timer

(71 posts)
53. Also, she's not his type, that he can tell us. He has his standards as to who he considers raping.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 04:14 PM
Jan 2020

NT

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,338 posts)
43. DNA on a dress may be proof of nothing.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 03:31 PM
Jan 2020

Even if it is proven to be semen, from Donald Trump, it is not proof of rape.

There was a famous blue dress, from back in the day. Maybe it proved a sexual encounter. It had no bearing on consent, or the lack thereof.

getagrip_already

(14,712 posts)
47. it would be proof lied....
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 03:47 PM
Jan 2020

He didn't say the sex was consensual. He said it never happened.

This is a civil suit with a different burden of proof than a criminal case.

And this isn't a rape case, it's a defamation case.

All she has to prove is he lied and did so to harm her.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,338 posts)
50. Civil? Ok, but, she said he raped her. He denied it.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 04:01 PM
Jan 2020

I'm not sure what is proved by some dried semen on a dress. Other than "sex happened".

She brought up the word "rape". If unproven, then who's defaming who?

Polybius

(15,385 posts)
69. Just denying you had sex with a particular person would not be enough for defamation
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 11:52 PM
Jan 2020

He'd have to go well beyond that, call her an outright liar, etc. Not sure if he already has.

truthisfreedom

(23,145 posts)
44. This will be an interesting contest amongst those who handle his food.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 03:33 PM
Jan 2020

And clothing. And bed clothes. Heck, lots of things. All they need is a strand of hair from his coat, if that stuff is hair.

flotsam

(3,268 posts)
49. My Take...
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 04:00 PM
Jan 2020

If the DNA don't fit, you must acquit. But since he denied the encounter-if it is his juice, he's a rapist douche...

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
51. Look. He could have raped her on top of his Oval Office desk on national television
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 04:10 PM
Jan 2020

and the repukes in the Senate wouldn't do a damned thing about it.

Grasswire2

(13,568 posts)
55. A stunt. He will just claim consensual adult sex.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 04:21 PM
Jan 2020

She has nothing important.

Clinton lied under oath.

Princess Turandot

(4,787 posts)
68. The article now says that they found 'skin cells' from 4 people on the sleeve...
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 11:40 PM
Jan 2020

"A lab report with the legal notice says DNA found in skin cells on the outer surface of the sleeves was a mix of at least four people, at least one of them male."

They must've changed the article to clarify that.

According to a longer article in WaPo, "The lab noted that acid phosphatase activity, a 'presumptive indication of the presence of semen,' was not detected."

She's quoted in that article as saying that after not wearing the dress for 25 years, she wore it to the photo-shoot for the NY Mag article about her book.

I'd be kind of surprised if the request is successful.





Texin

(2,595 posts)
74. Well...there's got to be some blood samples taken from tRump during his residency*.
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 11:45 AM
Jan 2020

Of course, now that he has all but been coronated, he is above the laws of the land and, seemingly, above the laws of nature. Or so sayeth his high priests.

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