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Omaha Steve

(99,575 posts)
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 10:27 PM Jun 2020

Eagles' Don Henley asks Congress to change copyright law

Source: AP

By MARCY GORDON

WASHINGTON (AP) — Eagles songwriter Don Henley urged Congress on Tuesday to “Take It to the Limit” to protect artists against online pirating, wading into a copyright fight pitting Hollywood and the recording industry against big tech platforms like Google’s YouTube.

The blockbuster hitmaker of the 1970s testified online from his home before a Senate Judiciary subcommittee weighing possible changes to a 1998 copyright law. The law allows holders of copyrighted material to formally ask parties they believe have taken their content without permission to remove it. The parties can dispute the claim. If they comply promptly with the request, there are no legal consequences. Otherwise, they may be subject to criminal penalties.

Henley said the law is weak and needs to be changed to make it more effective in stopping online piracy.

The so-called “notice and takedown” system under the copyright law is used by the movie and recording industries, entertainment software makers and book authors to pursue tech platforms, universities and other facilitators of file-sharing.



FILE - In this Oct. 25, 2017 file photo, artist Don Henley performs at "All In For The Gambler: Kenny Rogers' Farewell Concert Celebration" at Bridgestone Arena in Nashville, Tenn. Henley is urging Congress to “Take It to the Limit” to protect artists against online pirating. He's wading into a copyright fight pitting Hollywood and the recording industry against big tech platforms like Google’s YouTube. (Photo by Laura Roberts/Invision/AP, File)


Read more: https://apnews.com/23e26c38a9a6fbf3d7451c42b058c216

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Eagles' Don Henley asks Congress to change copyright law (Original Post) Omaha Steve Jun 2020 OP
Thanks for the excuse: elleng Jun 2020 #1
There's a reason it's hard to find the album versions of Eagles songs on YouTube alp227 Jun 2020 #4
And NO videos of Randy (Take It To The Limit) Meisner's incredible vocal performances Cetacea Jun 2020 #18
We're a little fuckin' busy at the moment, Don. Grokenstein Jun 2020 #2
Or at least they should be busy DENVERPOPS Jun 2020 #15
I believe the law is already strong enough and imposing more draconian style laws will only serve to cstanleytech Jun 2020 #3
That dude made money when his songs were released on vinyl. Yavin4 Jun 2020 #5
Yeah....but how about younger/newer artists? I don't think he's doing it for himself. tableturner Jun 2020 #6
The business model for music industry has changed. Yavin4 Jun 2020 #8
Not just younger artists. Look up David Knopfler(Mark's brother), Adrian Legg and others GoneOffShore Jun 2020 #13
Stealing is stealing even if it is online and easy. overleft Jun 2020 #16
What he is unhappy with is what a lot of musicians are unhappy with azureblue Jun 2020 #7
Then the artists should discuss it with the streaming services rather than tamper with copyright cstanleytech Jun 2020 #9
To me, YouTube is one of the more baffling American success stories. Midwestern Democrat Jun 2020 #12
Agreed Bayard Jun 2020 #17
As a musician who worked for years licensing intellectual property... CaptainTruth Jun 2020 #10
The AP somehow doesn't name the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, alp227 Jun 2020 #11
OMFG, seriously?? Why on earth would anyone care what that guy says? kas125 Jun 2020 #14

alp227

(32,015 posts)
4. There's a reason it's hard to find the album versions of Eagles songs on YouTube
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 11:04 PM
Jun 2020

"Take It to the Limit", the entire Hotel California album - you won't find the album versions on YouTube *at all*. Only a few tracks from the Eagles' Very Best compilation are available including "Take It Easy", "Peaceful Easy Feeling", and "Already Gone". In contrast, most songs with Henley on the songwriting credits aren't available. Henley has made his dislike for YouTube known as far back as 2010 (before YouTube got into the music business not just with music videos but formally licensed songs like the one you posted).

Cetacea

(7,367 posts)
18. And NO videos of Randy (Take It To The Limit) Meisner's incredible vocal performances
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 05:15 PM
Jun 2020

Last edited Tue Jun 9, 2020, 11:44 PM - Edit history (1)

Word on the Tube is that Henley is still jealous of Meisner's superior vocal talent.

But, it's no fun turning on the TV and hearing one of your pieces being used in commercials.

DENVERPOPS

(8,806 posts)
15. Or at least they should be busy
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 03:51 AM
Jun 2020

Senate Judiciary subcommittee run by Republicans and they are devoting their time to this petty shit.

cstanleytech

(26,280 posts)
3. I believe the law is already strong enough and imposing more draconian style laws will only serve to
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 10:56 PM
Jun 2020

stifle the internet.

Yavin4

(35,433 posts)
5. That dude made money when his songs were released on vinyl.
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 11:31 PM
Jun 2020

Then he made money again when everything was re-released to CD. Then he made money again when songs were streamed from online music stores. I understand that artists should be paid for their work, but come on man.

Yavin4

(35,433 posts)
8. The business model for music industry has changed.
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 11:55 PM
Jun 2020

The internet has changed it. You cannot put the genie back in the bottle.

GoneOffShore

(17,339 posts)
13. Not just younger artists. Look up David Knopfler(Mark's brother), Adrian Legg and others
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 02:02 AM
Jun 2020

Still gigging and not because they actually love it. They have to.

azureblue

(2,146 posts)
7. What he is unhappy with is what a lot of musicians are unhappy with
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 11:46 PM
Jun 2020

Streaming services (and youtube) pay as little as .0001 per play. You can have a million plays and barely get $50. Streaming cuts into sales badly so artists make very little. Plus radio play is way down, so revenue from that source is down also. And the idea that a musician should be able to earn a living off of their work seems to be foreign to American minds.

I get a spread sheet of world wide streaming sales and the total revenue is laughable even though songs are played around the world and on four streaming services. But the streaming services are making piles on the backs of the artists. I'm glad he is standing up for this. It's about time we started getting paid for our work.

cstanleytech

(26,280 posts)
9. Then the artists should discuss it with the streaming services rather than tamper with copyright
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 11:56 PM
Jun 2020

laws further as those laws have already been altered enough imo.

12. To me, YouTube is one of the more baffling American success stories.
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 01:33 AM
Jun 2020

It never would have occurred to me that I could make a billion dollars by providing a platform for blatant copyright infringement - I certainly could have foreseen that a site like that would be very popular (Hey - come to my site and listen to hit songs and watch movies for FREE!) but I also would have assumed I would have been sued into oblivion.

Bayard

(22,048 posts)
17. Agreed
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 11:12 AM
Jun 2020

Artists should be paid for their work, and he's doing this more for new ones coming up than himself. He certainly doesn't need the money. This has been a cause for him for a long time.

CaptainTruth

(6,585 posts)
10. As a musician who worked for years licensing intellectual property...
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 12:14 AM
Jun 2020

...(copyrights, trademarks, & patents) I really don't understand what he's asking for. Current law says that if someone wants to use IP, they have to request permission of the IP owner, period.

As the owner of the IP, if you see someone using it without permission you just have to report it for enforcement.

alp227

(32,015 posts)
11. The AP somehow doesn't name the Digital Millennium Copyright Act,
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 01:17 AM
Jun 2020

which is the NAME of the law that Henley testified about. As basic as AP journalism is, at least they could've included that!

To read Henley's testimony in full via the US Senate website: https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Henley%20Testimony.pdf

Section 512 of the DMCA, which the hearing was about: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/512

An intellectual property blog's more detailed analysis of the hearing: https://www.ipwatchdog.com/2020/06/02/senate-ip-subcommittee-hearing-dmca-reform-grand-bargain-no-longer-working/id=122124/

kas125

(2,472 posts)
14. OMFG, seriously?? Why on earth would anyone care what that guy says?
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 03:45 AM
Jun 2020

Have we forgotten 1980 when he was caught with an overdosed 16 year old girl???

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