I couldn’t believe the others would face no punishment at all.

There were two other officers on his back and legs. I thought all of those should have been charged. The one with his knee on his neck was being defiant and looking right into that camera. Definitely a higher murder charge for him though. The other two, still murder or at least manslaughter, something higher than aiding and abetting. The one that was the lookout should have even gotten more than aiding and abetting too, but I am not sure what else he could be charged with. Not helping. Isn't there a law about not helping someone in medical need if they are a first responder? Aren't all cops considered first responders?

Keith is smart enough (and sincere enough) to file charges he can prove, as opposed to the prosecutor of George Zimmerman, who (soe think deliberately) overreached himself ... and provided no lesser charge as an option.

What about the one who was kneeling on his back? You can't breathe if your diaphragm is unable to function. This was also contributory to his death.

these officers still need to get arrested...

Higher charges are harder to prove, and thus can result in the defendant going free.Be careful what you wish for.

but I've also heard a legal expert explain that even if officers are acquitted of higher charges they can still be subject to the lesser charges, such as aiding and abetting.

to prevent speculative over-charging, which, in other circumstances, you wouldn’t want.

The family already said first degree murder is the charge they will accept.
And we are still a long way from that. I understand their desire, I felt the same
way when a cop killed my brother. I carried that hate and anger for more years
than I know but in the end the police and court tortured my family by making us
go through the whole thing about every six months. It almost killed my mom.
She finally got where she couldn't take it any more and accepted the changes
they made and enough money to pay the attorneys.

The protests won't stop, but the riots were the action of outside entities rioting to shit up shit.

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it won't stop the protests. But I believe the instigators would not see this as a good
way to loot and riot, without the protest giving them cover.

the overriding message has been "no justice, no peace".
As we slowly make progress toward achieving justice there should be a corresponding shift away from non-peaceful protests.

I have no other words.

For your family's pain...To lose a loved one is bad enough but under those circumstances I truly don't know you, or anyone who has been in your shoes is able to maintain your sanity?!? Peaceful nature?

...Are you familiar with Preet Bharara, former US Attorney who was in charge of the Southern District of NY for 8-9yrs until Trump fired him? Anyway, I love the guy & he has a fantastic podcast, actually two a free one "Stay Tuned w/Preet" & paid subscription podcast "Cafe Insider" he does with former New Jersey AG Anne Milgram (She's AWESOME!). So, her & Preet went into detail as to why Murder 1 wasn't likely & the hazards of over charging. They did say before these new charges came out that they fully expected Murder 2...They were correct. They also correctly called the aiding & abetting charges...But they also expected at least to see the other cops get charged with Murder 3 or Manslaughter especially the 2 other cops sitting on his back.

...Maybe that'll still happen?

...If you've never listen to the podcast try it out!! Again, sorry what you & your family were forced to go through.

Thank Dog he's our AG and overseeing Freeman!

https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/live/cbsn-minnesota/video/5372886-20200603200224-four-officers-charged-in-george-floyds-death/

been done right from the start!

..It is how cops often think, when there are no consequences. Again, the cop knew he was going to get away with it...Why? That is what he was taught by other cops and the system in Minneapolis"

...If the cop was sure he would spend a dozen years in jail, with other inmates who killed and carried out horrific crimes, then he would not have tried to get away with it...

...Therefore, the next cop who gets that into his mind won't even try because ....he can't get away with it... The underlying system in Minneapolis has just been exposed for all to see. Who taught him to do that? He probably won't say, but maybe in his defense he will say something like, "Other cops did that, I just went along with what was done in the past."

..Or..maybe he will opt for a plea deal and no trial or testimony. That is what I think will happen. No trial, no testimony..just a plea deal.

But either the D.A. thought that 1 or 2 would look like they were "piling on," or they were playing three-dimensional chess: waiting until "enough" evidence came in to make the charge easier to "justify."


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the positive covid-19 test on Floyd. Willing to bet the defense will argue that Chauvin used a standard technique and the virus had compromised Floyd's respiratory system enough that and whatever substances (alchohol, etc) the toxicology report showed he had in his body at the time, is what killed him.

The other interesting thing to me is to find out why the cops pulled Floyd out of the squad car once he was already in it.

This is not going to be a slam dunk case which is what both Ellison and Harris said last night on Maddow's show.

When they did this so to me that says even more they should have backed off when he said he couldn’t breathe. If I was a prosecutor thats the move I would take. Everyone in America is aware of the symptoms so they had no excuse.

Floyd specifically had covid19. AFAIK, this is a new element to the case.

During this time in America they should be aware that anyone could have it and if they say they have a hard time breathing should pay close attention to that.

And he was INFORMED THAT Floyd had no pulse?

I'm expecting the defense to argue that Chauvin was simply doing his job with no premeditation, recklessness or conscious intent -- and he simply did it incompetently rather than criminally.


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or even probable.

with Chauvin: https://www.yahoo.com/news/minneapolis-woman-recalls-run-officer-100046861.html

are people aware of this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Kroll_(police_officer)

It's the whole culture of policing which has become very militarized over the last decade or so.