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highplainsdem

(48,921 posts)
Fri Jul 31, 2020, 10:39 PM Jul 2020

Trump says he will ban TikTok from operating in the US

Source: The Hill

President Trump on Friday said he plans to ban the social media platform TikTok from operating in the United States.

“As far as TikTok is concerned, we’re banning them from the United States,” Trump told reporters aboard Air Force One.

The president said he could use emergency economic powers or an executive order to officially bar the Chinese-owned company from the U.S. He signaled he was not supportive of allowing an American company to acquire TikTok.

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Read more: https://thehill.com/policy/technology/510100-trump-says-he-will-ban-tiktok-from-operating-in-the-us

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Trump says he will ban TikTok from operating in the US (Original Post) highplainsdem Jul 2020 OP
Bone to Zuck Lithos Jul 2020 #1
No...Tik Tok are short videos LeftInTX Aug 2020 #30
But Zuck has a TikTok competitor coming out More_Cowbell Aug 2020 #47
Oh OK LeftInTX Aug 2020 #49
Zuck has a monopoly Lithos Aug 2020 #52
Well, there goes the youth vote jmowreader Jul 2020 #2
This will definitely Tik off the Tokkers Zambero Jul 2020 #9
I would bet he'll try to get Apple and Google to remove it from their app stores. Calista241 Aug 2020 #76
Sarah Cooper will still be on Youtube. klook Jul 2020 #3
I'm "of a certain age," Lefta Dissenter Jul 2020 #8
Hi, Lefta! Me too! She is all I know about Tik Tok AllyCat Aug 2020 #17
Heh, same here. klook Aug 2020 #55
Does this have anything to do with the role TikTok played in the Tulsa rally fiasco? NT Bleacher Creature Jul 2020 #4
Is there any doubt at all? n/t IllinoisBirdWatcher Jul 2020 #6
Don't you mean "roll"? I ask because we saw more tumbleweeds rolling than people cstanleytech Aug 2020 #23
Nicely Done! ProfessorGAC Aug 2020 #75
I'm sure it does LeftInTX Aug 2020 #31
OF COURSE! louzke9 Aug 2020 #58
Can anyone think of some other countries whose government AleksS Jul 2020 #5
NEXT: Trump bans non-Goya products from grocery shelves dalton99a Jul 2020 #7
His buddy in North Korea. IcyPeas Aug 2020 #22
Iran and China are the biggest. Turkey also censors. LeftInTX Aug 2020 #32
Gaina mahina Aug 2020 #35
India catsudon Aug 2020 #48
Of course they won't say a word Nexus2 Aug 2020 #68
Yeah, that's "leadership" in a time of crisis. Grokenstein Jul 2020 #10
I gotta say, this is one action I agree with. Coventina Jul 2020 #11
i agree catsudon Aug 2020 #26
Let me guess Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2020 #12
He probably thinks it's "Tic Tac", and he's still embarrassed about asking for a Tic Tac in the.... George II Jul 2020 #13
*snort* Zoonart Jul 2020 #14
This has everything to do with Tulsa. ForgoTheConsequence Jul 2020 #15
So, we're just full-on authoritarian dictator mode now, is it? flibbitygiblets Jul 2020 #16
Fuck Donnie. Tommymac Aug 2020 #18
Snowflake keithbvadu2 Aug 2020 #19
I love TikTok ismnotwasm Aug 2020 #20
Does the blockhead even understand that such a ban is pretty much futile on the internet? cstanleytech Aug 2020 #21
from india catsudon Aug 2020 #50
Might work as far as Apple since they are largely a closed app eco system but it will be weak cstanleytech Aug 2020 #51
And you think that'll stop em? vercetti2021 Aug 2020 #24
How is that going to work? Renew Deal Aug 2020 #25
It isn't going to work... Tommymac Aug 2020 #27
I really don't see a connection between Tik Tok and FB LeftInTX Aug 2020 #44
easily done catsudon Aug 2020 #28
Go read about Russia banning Telegram and come back. Renew Deal Aug 2020 #29
nothing is full proof catsudon Aug 2020 #36
I can't watch YouTube videos that are banned in the US LeftInTX Aug 2020 #37
use a vpn to get around catsudon Aug 2020 #40
Yeah I just watch something else. No use installing a VPN to watch a movie LeftInTX Aug 2020 #41
VPN. xmas74 Aug 2020 #71
But it's a hassle LeftInTX Aug 2020 #73
You don't have to get every single copy. Calista241 Aug 2020 #77
As much as I would discourage people from using TikTok, I think this is stupid. Sapient Donkey Aug 2020 #33
depends on a few things catsudon Aug 2020 #39
Way to go, tackling the real issues caraher Aug 2020 #34
I hope it's banned everywhere. catsudon Aug 2020 #45
Wow. ismnotwasm Aug 2020 #65
He can't do that kimbutgar Aug 2020 #38
I think he can LeftInTX Aug 2020 #42
By tomorrow TikTok will be full of clips making fun of him captain queeg Aug 2020 #43
India banned it but people there are still using it and those stupid dance clips JI7 Aug 2020 #46
He'll walk it back on Sunday.... nt EarthFirst Aug 2020 #53
Rump's focus should be on strong leadership with C-19. What a joke! Illumination Aug 2020 #54
This is his retribution for tulsa UpInArms Aug 2020 #56
Yep, he's never going to forgive the K-Pop fans for their role in the Tulsa fiasco. crickets Aug 2020 #61
"We will ban use of the word recession" said Alfred Kahn bucolic_frolic Aug 2020 #57
Once again....Donnie.... paleotn Aug 2020 #59
Hey, instead, let's ban the FOX news app instead Mr. Ected Aug 2020 #60
Hey! That means no more Moonpie Starbox and Buttercup! lonely bird Aug 2020 #62
Moon pie is adorable xmas74 Aug 2020 #72
When they introduced Buttercup I was all...aaawwwwww. lonely bird Aug 2020 #81
I know! xmas74 Aug 2020 #82
I think people need to be more aware of what it can do DVRacer Aug 2020 #63
OK, now please explain something as I have little knowledge in this area lonely bird Aug 2020 #64
That's not something I have experience with. DVRacer Aug 2020 #67
Your response re: clouds lonely bird Aug 2020 #79
Token Ring... My precious. Sapient Donkey Aug 2020 #80
He's butt hurt because they've been messing with his rallies. lark Aug 2020 #66
Take down RT first. marble falls Aug 2020 #69
I thought he was the job creator. xmas74 Aug 2020 #70
He thinks banning TikTok will decrease who can make fun of him??????? TNNurse Aug 2020 #74
Microsoft in advanced talks to buy TikTok's US business.... WePurrsevere Aug 2020 #78

Lithos

(26,403 posts)
52. Zuck has a monopoly
Sat Aug 1, 2020, 03:40 AM
Aug 2020

and TikToq is threatening this...

And he has a competitor in the works...

So this a salvation for Zuck being late to this party...

jmowreader

(50,533 posts)
2. Well, there goes the youth vote
Fri Jul 31, 2020, 10:46 PM
Jul 2020

And how, exactly, does Trump plan to keep TikTok from being accessible to Americans?

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
76. I would bet he'll try to get Apple and Google to remove it from their app stores.
Sat Aug 1, 2020, 07:46 PM
Aug 2020

If he can justify potential security breaches, he could probably do it. It'd only work on jailbroken phones then, and that has a whole other set of problems.

klook

(12,152 posts)
3. Sarah Cooper will still be on Youtube.
Fri Jul 31, 2020, 10:47 PM
Jul 2020

Knowing Traitor Tot’s petty, thin-skinned narcissism, I wouldn’t be surprised if her TikTok posts were a factor.

Lefta Dissenter

(6,622 posts)
8. I'm "of a certain age,"
Fri Jul 31, 2020, 11:12 PM
Jul 2020

So Sarah Cooper is literally the only contact I’ve ever had with TikTok. I’m guessing she’s smart enough to show up on just about any platform she’d like.

He is such an idiot baby.

klook

(12,152 posts)
55. Heh, same here.
Sat Aug 1, 2020, 06:38 AM
Aug 2020

I'll keep on getting along fine without Tiktok.

Another thing: with the tech billionaires testifying on Capitol Hill this week (and Bill Gates's old company trying to buy Tiktok), it was killing Trump for them to be in the spotlight, and he wanted it to shine on himself instead.

I'm so looking forward to the day when we can go a whole day without hearing his odious name.

cstanleytech

(26,251 posts)
23. Don't you mean "roll"? I ask because we saw more tumbleweeds rolling than people
Sat Aug 1, 2020, 12:48 AM
Aug 2020

at that Trump rally in Tulsa.

AleksS

(1,665 posts)
5. Can anyone think of some other countries whose government
Fri Jul 31, 2020, 10:57 PM
Jul 2020

Can anyone think of some other countries whose government decides which internet services and websites and apps its citizens are allowed to access?

Wonder if the "Muh freedumbs" brigade will have anything to say about this.......not holding my breath.

LeftInTX

(25,155 posts)
32. Iran and China are the biggest. Turkey also censors.
Sat Aug 1, 2020, 01:27 AM
Aug 2020

I'm sure Afghanistan does..I think even India bans some apps and services.

catsudon

(839 posts)
48. India
Sat Aug 1, 2020, 02:27 AM
Aug 2020

and incidentally, Indonesia for awhile

when an app is horrible, we have to view it as such. we can dislike trump and tiktok at the same time.

Nexus2

(1,261 posts)
68. Of course they won't say a word
Sat Aug 1, 2020, 03:14 PM
Aug 2020

Only dumb Libs use Tik Tok, they never would, never did, nope. BTW, And did you know we've always been at war with Eastasisa?

George II

(67,782 posts)
13. He probably thinks it's "Tic Tac", and he's still embarrassed about asking for a Tic Tac in the....
Fri Jul 31, 2020, 11:23 PM
Jul 2020

....Access Hollywood video.

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,868 posts)
15. This has everything to do with Tulsa.
Fri Jul 31, 2020, 11:33 PM
Jul 2020

Almost every piece of technology we use is made in China, why else single out this specific app?

flibbitygiblets

(7,220 posts)
16. So, we're just full-on authoritarian dictator mode now, is it?
Fri Jul 31, 2020, 11:49 PM
Jul 2020

Today Gym Jordan was trying to get Fauci to say that protesters should be stopped because of coronavirus

Yesterday Shitler floated postponing the elections.

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
18. Fuck Donnie.
Sat Aug 1, 2020, 12:12 AM
Aug 2020

He's an absolute idiot.

If he tries it and anyone wants to know how to use vpn servers based outside the USA, or free DNS sites to connect to TikTok ping me - I'll show the way.

ismnotwasm

(41,968 posts)
20. I love TikTok
Sat Aug 1, 2020, 12:43 AM
Aug 2020

Really interested to see how this plays out.

It is essentially spyware, but so are smart phones and apps ect..

cstanleytech

(26,251 posts)
21. Does the blockhead even understand that such a ban is pretty much futile on the internet?
Sat Aug 1, 2020, 12:45 AM
Aug 2020

Even China has trouble controlling what their people have internet access to and that is with very tight internet blocking software with extremely draconian provisions for violating them.

catsudon

(839 posts)
50. from india
Sat Aug 1, 2020, 02:43 AM
Aug 2020

the ban is already affecting millions of users across India, who are unable to use the blacklisted apps.

"As China has shown, governments can indeed block apps - not just remove them from the app stores, which has already happened in India, so you can't install them afresh or upgrade an existing install," says tech policy expert Prasanto K Roy.

He adds that although there are ways to get around the ban, it will "effectively kill" popular apps.

"If over 95% of 100 million users exit, that kills the 'network effect' and most of the content, and hence an app like TikTok is no longer attractive."

cstanleytech

(26,251 posts)
51. Might work as far as Apple since they are largely a closed app eco system but it will be weak
Sat Aug 1, 2020, 03:22 AM
Aug 2020

when it comes to blocking apps from running on android inside the US since there are many 3rd party sites to download android apps and sideload them.

vercetti2021

(10,156 posts)
24. And you think that'll stop em?
Sat Aug 1, 2020, 12:49 AM
Aug 2020

Zoomers are just getting started and with this? Bro lol you don't know what you are fucking with

Renew Deal

(81,847 posts)
25. How is that going to work?
Sat Aug 1, 2020, 12:57 AM
Aug 2020

I'm not sure how you execute such an action without taking control of the internet.

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
27. It isn't going to work...
Sat Aug 1, 2020, 01:14 AM
Aug 2020

By design the internet infrastructure is a hard beast to kill.

It was created to provide a secure, continuous, non-centralized communication path in case of Nuclear War.

I guess you could take some measure of control over the mainstream WWW, by compromising the Root DNS servers, but that won't stop the Dark Web or some older legacy protocols. Harder to use, but there are ways.

Besides, TikTok makes too much money...I think that perhaps this is a gesture to his asshat protege Zuckerburg more then anything else.

LeftInTX

(25,155 posts)
44. I really don't see a connection between Tik Tok and FB
Sat Aug 1, 2020, 01:48 AM
Aug 2020

Tik Tok is just short videos, which are often shown on FB.

FB does promote FB Live, but it's clunky. I would rather just film something and upload it to YouTube than FB Live. (Mainly because I don't like filming live stuff)

catsudon

(839 posts)
28. easily done
Sat Aug 1, 2020, 01:18 AM
Aug 2020

put a region lock on the apps in apple store (they've already move their production to india, they would not be able to make iphone in china anymore due to TSMC will not sell 5nm ics to china anymore), so im sure apple is on board.

i'm sure google play can do the same

now, that is not a 100% ban, people who really want to, can probably download apk and install it on their phone.

but once the tiktok server are off line in america, i believe the only way to get around is to download the Chinese version of tiktok which is douyin and connect to the server back in china.

or some hacker can probably run a emulation private server to get it to work.


avg kids dont have time for that... when vine died, kids moved to tiktok.... so i believe they will just use some other clones
it was a pain in the butt for me to download a japanese region app, i had to have a japanese playstore account and change my phone to the asia region. then go back to english. then when there is an update, i have to repeat the process (if you do not have vpn)

eh i can write a few pages....

catsudon

(839 posts)
36. nothing is full proof
Sat Aug 1, 2020, 01:34 AM
Aug 2020

if you make it hard for avg people to use, less and less people will use it.

telegram is a different type of app that is harder to kill...like PGP, the government will never be able to ban that form of communication

tiktok have more moving parts to make it work, so it is easier to block some elements and disrupt regular users. people love tiktok because of how easy it is to use.

just do what Microsoft ie did with netscape.

catsudon

(839 posts)
40. use a vpn to get around
Sat Aug 1, 2020, 01:41 AM
Aug 2020

some people are persistent, some are not.

i can get around it, but it is just easier for me to find another video to watch.

LeftInTX

(25,155 posts)
73. But it's a hassle
Sat Aug 1, 2020, 05:46 PM
Aug 2020

Tik Tok is mostly a phone thing...and even on a computer, the clips mostly last less than a minute.

I just can't imagine using a VPN to watch silly clips on Tik Tok

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
77. You don't have to get every single copy.
Sat Aug 1, 2020, 07:51 PM
Aug 2020

If they can just get most of the people who don't have a jailbroken iphone, then they're golden. social media content creators want people to actually view their content. If vastly fewer people are going to tik tok, they'll move their content onto another platform.

Sapient Donkey

(1,568 posts)
33. As much as I would discourage people from using TikTok, I think this is stupid.
Sat Aug 1, 2020, 01:28 AM
Aug 2020

Are there any other similar cases of the US banning citizens from using an app? How would that even work in practice? Force service providers to block? Force device manufacturers to ban it? That seems very China-like. Even if they did that, people will just by-pass any technology blocks if they really really want to.

catsudon

(839 posts)
39. depends on a few things
Sat Aug 1, 2020, 01:40 AM
Aug 2020

how hard is it to get around the ban.
how easy is it to use an alternative.

on my work iphone, im not allow to use facebook, and it is locked down. i can either jailbreak the phone and remove the restriction (risk getting fired) or alternatively use my personal phone to check fb

caraher

(6,278 posts)
34. Way to go, tackling the real issues
Sat Aug 1, 2020, 01:31 AM
Aug 2020

Because if anything is on Americans' minds in 2020, it's the menace to life and democracy posed by TikTok.

catsudon

(839 posts)
45. I hope it's banned everywhere.
Sat Aug 1, 2020, 01:48 AM
Aug 2020

I'm sick of people using their pets and animals as fucking props for video views. Less of an audience, the less it will happen. At least i hope.

ismnotwasm

(41,968 posts)
65. Wow.
Sat Aug 1, 2020, 12:11 PM
Aug 2020

There are many reasons to not use TikTok, as it eats personal information and comes out of an brutally oppressive regimen but to me, making happy little videos about ones cat or horse isn’t one of them. In fact, those kind of things are what make the app enjoyable.

UpInArms

(51,280 posts)
56. This is his retribution for tulsa
Sat Aug 1, 2020, 07:10 AM
Aug 2020

Thinskinned tiny hands is having a TikTok fit ...

Teens, TikTok Users and K-Pop Fans Might Have Tricked Trump Into Expecting a Huge Turnout for His Widely-Hyped Tulsa Rally

Anticipating an overflowing crowd, the campaign had even prepared a stage outside Tulsa’s BOK Center where the President could address supporters. President Donald Trump himself had said earlier in the week that he expected a “record-setting crowd” despite the threat of the COVID-19 pandemic.

“We’ve never had an empty seat, and we certainly won’t in Oklahoma,” said Trump.

But ultimately, the turnout did not stand up to the campaign’s expectations. The outdoor events did not materialize, presumably as it became clear that there weren’t even enough supporters to fill all of the empty seats in the arena, let alone a sizable overflowing crowd. A Tulsa Fire Department spokesperson told Forbes that only 6,200 people attended the rally — less than half the venue’s 19,200 seating capacity.


So, pouty mouth as to have his temper tantrum ...

crickets

(25,952 posts)
61. Yep, he's never going to forgive the K-Pop fans for their role in the Tulsa fiasco.
Sat Aug 1, 2020, 09:58 AM
Aug 2020

They are a huge force to reckon with. I think he's going to fail again if he thinks this will slow them down.

bucolic_frolic

(43,066 posts)
57. "We will ban use of the word recession" said Alfred Kahn
Sat Aug 1, 2020, 07:22 AM
Aug 2020

We will call it a "banana".

Once you ban something, it's all people can think about.

If Trump required you to spend 3 hours a day on Facebook, the platform would crash by the end of the month.

DVRacer

(707 posts)
63. I think people need to be more aware of what it can do
Sat Aug 1, 2020, 10:57 AM
Aug 2020

Whether a ban would even work is debatable. What people need to realize is until recently it had the capability to seriously compromise your data specifically your clipboard on iOS devices. Access to this data is whereby you have the device store your login data for websites and apps.

Already most large companies and DOD have forbade its installation by employees. It comes off as a cute way to share short videos but what it actually does is harvest data from the user. Notice it is forbidden in its country of origin for reasons more than videos.

In a previous life I was an Intelligence Specialist for the Navy with an old ass degree in Computer Science. I can only imagine the warnings are from dedicated people that really do care about security.

lonely bird

(1,678 posts)
64. OK, now please explain something as I have little knowledge in this area
Sat Aug 1, 2020, 11:46 AM
Aug 2020

In what way are so-called clouds secure?

DVRacer

(707 posts)
67. That's not something I have experience with.
Sat Aug 1, 2020, 01:07 PM
Aug 2020

I cut my teeth on Token Ring in the 80’s lol.
My guess is it involves encryption on both ends that is multi layered. Cloud based is just a fancy way of saying it’s on a server somewhere else and using TCP/IP to retrieve it. Google and others spent time and money building server farms with mega data storage capability.

Funny thing our nukes are still using 8” floppy disks from the 70’s on systems that have no connectivity with other computers because it cannot be hacked. DOD is actively testing “cloud” use for some data it hasn’t gone as well as hoped. White Hat hackers have exposed many open ports that allowed access. In short nothing is truly safe if connected nor if rouge data like a thumb drive is introduced.

This may help
https://www.cloudflare.com/learning/ddos/glossary/open-systems-interconnection-model-osi/

lonely bird

(1,678 posts)
79. Your response re: clouds
Sun Aug 2, 2020, 08:33 AM
Aug 2020

That is exactly what I thought. In short, nothing is truly secure unless a computer simply is not connected to other computers.

Sapient Donkey

(1,568 posts)
80. Token Ring... My precious.
Sun Aug 2, 2020, 10:21 AM
Aug 2020

I remember reading about token ring as an old outdated technology back when I was starting out almost 20 years ago. Damn, that's depressing to say. 20 years. I did pull out an old install of token ring a long time ago, though. Anyway, aren't they just now finally getting around to replacing those old floppies with zip disks the nuclear silos? I'm kidding about the zip disks, but I do recall reading they are upgrading to use USB sticks or something.

xmas74

(29,671 posts)
70. I thought he was the job creator.
Sat Aug 1, 2020, 05:41 PM
Aug 2020

Tiktok employs 1200 people in the US with plans to employ upwards of 10,000 more over the next three years. This doesn't include Tiktokers who have monetized their accounts through various means.

So is he no longer the "job creator"?

WePurrsevere

(24,259 posts)
78. Microsoft in advanced talks to buy TikTok's US business....
Sat Aug 1, 2020, 10:17 PM
Aug 2020
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/microsoft-in-advanced-talks-to-buy-tiktoks-us-business-2020-08-01

Closing down TikTok won't stop ticked off teens, etc from mocking Trump. These kids are very social media/computer/internet smart and savvy so will just find other ways to push his buttons.

It would be well for politicians in general to remember that a whole lot of these 'kids' are old enough to vote this time or soon will be and kids these days seem to really know how to hold a grudge.
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