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Redfairen

(1,276 posts)
Thu Mar 21, 2013, 09:05 PM Mar 2013

Drivers endure high gas prices despite U.S. oil boom

Source: Associated Press

The U.S. is increasing its oil production faster than ever, and American drivers are guzzling less gas. But you'd never know it from the price at the pump.

The national average price of gasoline is $3.69 per gallon and forecast to creep higher, possibly approaching $4 by May.

"I just don't get it," says Steve Laffoon, a part-time mental health worker, who recently paid $3.59 per gallon to fill up in St. Louis.

U.S. oil output rose 14 percent to 6.5 million barrels per day last year - a record increase. By 2020, the nation is forecast to overtake Saudi Arabia as the world's largest crude oil producer. At the same time, U.S. gasoline demand has fallen to 8.7 million barrels a day, its lowest level since 2001, as people switch to more fuel-efficient cars.

Read more: http://seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/2020609777_apusoilboomgasolineprices.html

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Drivers endure high gas prices despite U.S. oil boom (Original Post) Redfairen Mar 2013 OP
Its called GREED Mr. Laffoon. nt BootinUp Mar 2013 #1
So, on a governmental level, mpcamb Mar 2013 #26
Nationalize them abelenkpe Mar 2013 #30
I'm in Mexico mpcamb Mar 2013 #31
It's roughly 4.50 a gallon here abelenkpe Mar 2013 #35
The is what happens when you take the 1 percent's word for it. Crowman1979 Mar 2013 #2
Well everyone should be happy. Less oil being burned, refineries in 'your back yard' closing and Purveyor Mar 2013 #3
And we Prius drivers are helping to keep demand down. This is our thanks. SleeplessinSoCal Mar 2013 #4
I paid $3.70 a gallon for heating oil today! longship Mar 2013 #5
And to top it off, the Alaskan repugs voted to give Arctic Dave Mar 2013 #6
I'd be happy to pay $3.69. Here in So. Cal. the LibDemAlways Mar 2013 #7
I paid $6.79/gal last October in Death Valley, CA DemoTex Mar 2013 #10
Yikes! That's horrible. Pterodactyl Mar 2013 #16
The oil companies aren't the only mobsters shaking down the people meow2u3 Mar 2013 #14
I agree. There is no shortage of complicit crooks. n/t LibDemAlways Mar 2013 #17
50.38 $ to fill a Mini at the cheap station with regular olddots Mar 2013 #33
In the immortal words of Robert Klein... MotherPetrie Mar 2013 #8
Here in the SF Bay Area, we pay the highest prices for gas Proletariatprincess Mar 2013 #9
On the bright side... primavera Mar 2013 #34
It's pretty simple SmittynMo Mar 2013 #11
What ever happened to supply/demand? SmittynMo Mar 2013 #21
It didn't go anywhere CANDO Mar 2013 #32
There is no good reason gas should average $3.69 per gallon meow2u3 Mar 2013 #12
I wish people were more informed about the causes of high oil prices bhikkhu Mar 2013 #13
And with 'journalism' like the article . . Strelnikov_ Mar 2013 #24
Because oil companies need their excessive profits. God says so. McCamy Taylor Mar 2013 #15
"Drill Baby Drill??" Gman Mar 2013 #18
we tried to tell the dumbass R@ps that drilling here wouldn't do a thing for gas prices NMDemDist2 Mar 2013 #27
Their full of something rks306 Mar 2013 #19
We certainly do need to stop those rat bastards. lonestarnot Mar 2013 #23
China and India are pretty huge consumers of oil now. That helps drive up prices. Selatius Mar 2013 #20
And all while we subsidize those fuckers. lonestarnot Mar 2013 #22
Basic Supply and Demand 555 Mar 2013 #25
Don't buy the hype..... Purplehazed Mar 2013 #29
Completely wrong. Zoeisright Mar 2013 #36
What a con. Game Over. Corporate Overlords win. Living creatures deserve better. zonkers Mar 2013 #28

mpcamb

(2,868 posts)
26. So, on a governmental level,
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 10:10 AM
Mar 2013

What can be done about it?
There's no chance that oil companies will act in any honorable way on their own.
(Please, God, no Congressional investigations! -there's no bigger rat-hole!)
Tax them; and collect it. That's all I can come up with...

Crowman1979

(3,844 posts)
2. The is what happens when you take the 1 percent's word for it.
Thu Mar 21, 2013, 09:08 PM
Mar 2013

This promise of lowering prices if we just drill more is nothing but a carrot that the oil companies dangle in front of our faces all the time.

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
3. Well everyone should be happy. Less oil being burned, refineries in 'your back yard' closing and
Thu Mar 21, 2013, 09:15 PM
Mar 2013

new auto sales skyrocketing.

Piss on those that can't afford a new vehicle and have to drive a vehicle that only gets 18mpg, indeed.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,088 posts)
4. And we Prius drivers are helping to keep demand down. This is our thanks.
Thu Mar 21, 2013, 09:17 PM
Mar 2013

Regulate, tax, take away their subsidies. They've abused the privilege of extracting finite resources.

longship

(40,416 posts)
5. I paid $3.70 a gallon for heating oil today!
Thu Mar 21, 2013, 09:26 PM
Mar 2013

Without heating oil, I would freeze to death. Long before that my plumbing would freeze. So I would likely be taking my morning constitutional in the back yard.

I cannot afford a delivery from my local supplier since their minimum delivery is 150 gallons. They have cheaper prices, but sending a truck out for delivery has its costs. I could pay them to deliver 50 gallons but the delivery charge would be more expensive than driving to the local country store six miles away and filling up a five gallon can and pouring it into my tank.

I've done this daily for a week and my SocSec doesn't come in until next Wed. Then, I will get the 150 gallons. But, until then, I will hand pump and pour five gallons a day. At least I will have money to pay for gasoline, food, and maybe a couple of beers.

Being poor sucks. But My quality of life is pretty damned good. I don't have cable TV or broadband Internet here in the National Forest in Michigan. But I do have 4G and my DU friends.

One thing that brings me back here is that one always has friends here, no matter how many troll here.

Thanks to you guys. You help me get through tough times.

 

Arctic Dave

(13,812 posts)
6. And to top it off, the Alaskan repugs voted to give
Thu Mar 21, 2013, 09:36 PM
Mar 2013

the oil corporations two billion dollars a year in tax give aways on top of the billions a year they are making.

LibDemAlways

(15,139 posts)
7. I'd be happy to pay $3.69. Here in So. Cal. the
Thu Mar 21, 2013, 09:56 PM
Mar 2013

going rate is somewhere between $4.20 and $4.50. The oil companies are mobsters engaged in a mass shakedown.

meow2u3

(24,761 posts)
14. The oil companies aren't the only mobsters shaking down the people
Thu Mar 21, 2013, 11:22 PM
Mar 2013

The speculators deliberately drive up the price because they legalized not having to take delivery of the stuff they bid on.

 

olddots

(10,237 posts)
33. 50.38 $ to fill a Mini at the cheap station with regular
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:27 PM
Mar 2013

We who exist in Kalifornia really get beat ,feels like a test market to test how high they can go without strikes and or riots .
The worker bees who drive trucks get the worst of it because the nature of work vehicles demand more fuel =less m.p.g. with any fuel .

 

MotherPetrie

(3,145 posts)
8. In the immortal words of Robert Klein...
Thu Mar 21, 2013, 09:58 PM
Mar 2013

THE LAW OF SUPPLY AND DEMAND:

"We have all the supply so we can demand whatever the fuck we want.'

9. Here in the SF Bay Area, we pay the highest prices for gas
Thu Mar 21, 2013, 09:59 PM
Mar 2013

$4.24 last week at some stations in San Francisco. It has always been that way. There is no legitmate reason for this. There are oil refinaries in the area....Oil tankers come in and out of the SF Bay day and night. But I have a theory: they punish us for our politics. We SF liberals are no friends of big corporations, enviormentally conscious, and we vote accordingly. I think we are forced to pay the price at the pump.
...just a theory.......

primavera

(5,191 posts)
34. On the bright side...
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 08:12 PM
Mar 2013

... you guys probably have a lot fewer SUVs and monster trucks on the roads imperiling your safety and poisoning your lungs with their emissions. I'd pay extra for gas to have that where I live.

SmittynMo

(3,544 posts)
11. It's pretty simple
Thu Mar 21, 2013, 10:36 PM
Mar 2013

Greed is the root of all evil. The top 1% obviously own all the rigs/production in the US. I would suspect they are also Republicans. This has the smell of "me me me me me" written all over it!!!!

 

CANDO

(2,068 posts)
32. It didn't go anywhere
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:26 PM
Mar 2013

Its a worldwide supply and demand market. China and India are more than making up the difference for us scaling back consumption. It's what the dumb shit Teabaggers just were not grasping with their stupid "drill baby, drill" chants. Go ahead and drill till your heart's content, and it all goes into the world's energy market. It was never meant to drill here, drill now for OUR sake. But the idiots thought so.

meow2u3

(24,761 posts)
12. There is no good reason gas should average $3.69 per gallon
Thu Mar 21, 2013, 11:21 PM
Mar 2013

The only reason is sheer, unadulterated greed, aided and abetted by oil welfare.

bhikkhu

(10,713 posts)
13. I wish people were more informed about the causes of high oil prices
Thu Mar 21, 2013, 11:21 PM
Mar 2013

Oil is a finite resource. and the easy to get to stuff was burned through years ago. The rate of current use requires that all sorts of expensive to find and extract oil be utilized.

Demand is up, in spite of rising prices everywhere:

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSUVPGmOf6jslDEAn8TBMByEqdn3OrF0idYbdwgXk6GJlH7rKQ51A

Production costs to meet demand are up:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_FeyfD5e2XDc/SwqPfjj1LYI/AAAAAAAAAEg/ZJQteL5O-8k/s1600/Graph+-+Marginal+cost+of+Oil+production+ass+a+function+of+source+and+production+rate.png

There is no cheap oil to fall back on, and the stuff we are burning through now costs a fortune to produce. Read what the cost of a barrel has to be to make the tar sands economical!

The future is more expensive, whoever you want to blame

Strelnikov_

(7,772 posts)
24. And with 'journalism' like the article . .
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 09:45 AM
Mar 2013

it is no wonder.

U.S. oil output rose 14 percent to 6.5 million barrels per day last year - a record increase.

And we still import 2/3rds of our 'fix'.

By 2020, the nation is forecast to overtake Saudi Arabia as the world's largest crude oil producer.

And if no more bills show up through 2020, I will be a millionaire.

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
15. Because oil companies need their excessive profits. God says so.
Thu Mar 21, 2013, 11:24 PM
Mar 2013

And, according to one fundie minister, if you don't guzzle oil, God cries.

NMDemDist2

(49,313 posts)
27. we tried to tell the dumbass R@ps that drilling here wouldn't do a thing for gas prices
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 10:25 AM
Mar 2013


it's a global market.

rks306

(116 posts)
19. Their full of something
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 02:52 AM
Mar 2013

I guess they need more money so they can by more politicians. We need to stop corporate welfare.

Selatius

(20,441 posts)
20. China and India are pretty huge consumers of oil now. That helps drive up prices.
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:51 AM
Mar 2013

We're all now competing for a dwindling supply of crude oil. That, and there's a fair amount of speculation in the oil futures markets that drive up prices. Also, OPEC can and will artificially restrict the supply of crude oil to keep prices high.

As a source of fuel, crude oil has more political and geopolitical baggage than any other source of fuel. It is a costly headache, and sadly, our infrastructure is still built around the assumption that crude oil will forever remain cheap. Urban sprawl was only ever supported by exceedingly cheap fuel, but those decades ended a good bit ago.

555

(1 post)
25. Basic Supply and Demand
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 10:03 AM
Mar 2013

anybody here take econ in college? As more countries become developed, and more people are driving why would you expect the price of oil to decrease?

Purplehazed

(179 posts)
29. Don't buy the hype.....
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 11:38 AM
Mar 2013

What did you learn in econ 101 when demand increases and supply increases?? Hey, the price remains the same. Oil production has consistently kept up with world demand. There has not been a significant disruption in world oil supply since 1979. In fact, if you look at some of the recent data you will see prices continue to increase even though overall demand has decreased.

Laws passed under 1st Bush and then Clinton deregulated the commodities markets including energy trading. The oil that ultimately ends up in your tank may have been traded 20+ times by huge institutional investors before the refinery bought it. The prices of oil have done nothing but spiral up. Now my compact car cost me as much to fill up as my full size pickup did several years ago.

The bank crisis in Cyprus will wind up having an effect on oil prices and it has nothing to do with supply and demand.

Zoeisright

(8,339 posts)
36. Completely wrong.
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 11:40 PM
Mar 2013

Sounds like your econ class was many decades ago, because supply and demand does NOT apply to oil. First of all, the price of oil is affected by speculation and commodities trading on Wall Street. In 2008, demand dropped and global supply was up, and prices increased by 25%. READ this and LEARN something:

http://useconomy.about.com/od/commoditiesmarketfaq/p/high_oil_prices.htm

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