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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 12:17 AM Mar 2013

White Supremacist Linked To Texas Car Chase, Colorado Slaying (of prison chief Tom Clements)

Source: CBS NEWS

An alleged white supremacist shot in the head after a car chase and gun battle with police in Texas may be linked to the murder of Colorado prison chief Tom Clements, sources tell CBS Denver affiliate KCNC.

Parole Evan Ebel is being investigated for that killing, sources tell CBS Denver affiliate KCNC. The 28-year-old Denver man is being kept alive on life support and not expected to survive, The KCNC's Rick Sallinger also reports that Ebel has been identified as a member of the white supremacist prison gang called the "211s," a.k.a. the Brotherhood of Aryan Alliance.



Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57575723/white-supremacist-linked-to-texas-car-chase-colo-slaying/

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White Supremacist Linked To Texas Car Chase, Colorado Slaying (of prison chief Tom Clements) (Original Post) Purveyor Mar 2013 OP
How long before the gungeoneers come by to tell us how misunderstood he was? baldguy Mar 2013 #1
I'm glad he's dead. MicaelS Mar 2013 #3
Only braindead, going to cost a bundle to keep him on life support siligut Mar 2013 #24
Don't worry, TX knows how to take care of that ... eppur_se_muova Mar 2013 #29
I read that his organs will be used for transplants siligut Mar 2013 #30
No, he's officially dead. MicaelS Mar 2013 #31
OK, thanks. nt siligut Mar 2013 #32
I'd say just after the heat death of the universe. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #4
I'll remember that whenever one of them waxes poetic about Randy Weaver. baldguy Mar 2013 #8
LMAO. Hoyt Mar 2013 #26
I forgot that for some here, it's okay to do bad things to bad people. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #38
And your argment is that good people should be allowed to do bad things just like bad people? baldguy Mar 2013 #40
A good essay. Do you fault any decisions cited by the author? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #43
Hmm, no response to that... friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #44
They'll say his car was the most dangerous thing about him. nt SunSeeker Mar 2013 #7
What does this have to do with gun rights? hack89 Mar 2013 #15
You're being deliberately obtuse. baldguy Mar 2013 #16
No - I think you just want to smear gun owners as right wingers hack89 Mar 2013 #17
Promoting RW talking points means the shoe fits. baldguy Mar 2013 #18
I support all of the gun control laws passed in Colorado hack89 Mar 2013 #19
I have been around and owned guns many times...and am very liberal txgrandma Mar 2013 #21
Exactly. We have to impede proliferation of guns. Too bad our Democratic Gungeoneers can't get it, Hoyt Mar 2013 #27
Of course he can't- it's just another baseless slur against other DUers. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #39
LOL snooper2 Mar 2013 #28
Another Ron Paul supporter bites the dust. AgingAmerican Mar 2013 #2
As usual, another White Supremacist... Captain Stern Mar 2013 #5
Killing of DA in Kaufman dem in texas Mar 2013 #6
Wow, hadn't thought of that. tanyev Mar 2013 #9
excellent point. I bet the gangs in prisons have a lot of control of their outside people. Sunlei Mar 2013 #11
The Leaders in Prison order hits formercia Mar 2013 #36
They are keeping the lump alive to harvest organs. I'd hate to have one of those and know lonestarnot Mar 2013 #10
I hear Dick Cheney has put in an application for his Heart formercia Mar 2013 #14
Cold But Fair, Sir.... The Magistrate Mar 2013 #20
Dark, but many of us thought the same thing. mountain grammy Mar 2013 #34
Was Clements pro prison privatization? Evasporque Mar 2013 #12
I remember back when Bikers were used as enforcers by the mob.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #22
The Brotherhood are some scary motherf-----s. WilliamPitt Mar 2013 #13
Is there any actual evidence that this guy shot Clements? Comrade Grumpy Mar 2013 #23
He had a pizza box and uniform in his car siligut Mar 2013 #25
The pizza delivery man was Nathan Leon, a young man with 3 kids. mountain grammy Mar 2013 #33
Breaking - UPDATE: Tom Clements murder: Shell casings link Colorado, Texas shootings Tx4obama Mar 2013 #35
Charmingly, CO Gov. Hickenlooper is good friends with the killer's father. intheflow Mar 2013 #37
This story says Ebel had spent large amount of time in solitary. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2013 #41
Though one would have to wonder why he spent so much time in solitary. intheflow Mar 2013 #42

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
3. I'm glad he's dead.
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 12:50 AM
Mar 2013

Saved the states a great deal of money for his defense lawyer, and his trial. As the old saying goes "Some people need killing." He obviously was one of them.

siligut

(12,272 posts)
24. Only braindead, going to cost a bundle to keep him on life support
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 12:45 PM
Mar 2013
A white supremacist ex-convict suspected of killing Colorado’s top prison official is brain dead and on life support after being shot in the head during a rampage in Texas that left one officer seriously injured, according to CBS News.


http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/03/22/white-supremacist-suspected-of-killing-colorado-official-brain-dead-after-texas-shootout/

siligut

(12,272 posts)
30. I read that his organs will be used for transplants
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 01:50 PM
Mar 2013

I wish I hadn't read what is at your link this morning. I know but can block it out.

Anyway, transplant organs are in demand and these organs are just going to cost a day or two of life support.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
31. No, he's officially dead.
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 02:12 PM
Mar 2013
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Wise-County-Shootout-Could-Connect-to-Colorado-Killings-199510311.html

Authorities said Thursday afternoon that Ebel was not expected to survive and that he was on life support for potential organ harvesting. On Friday, it was announced Ebel had been pronounced dead at 5:20 p.m. Thursday and that an autopsy was to be conducted by the Tarrant County medical examiner Friday morning. Toxicology results of that autopsy will not be available for several days, but the Tarrant County ME said Friday Ebel died from a single, distant-range gunshot wound to the mid-forehead.
 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
4. I'd say just after the heat death of the universe.
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 01:31 AM
Mar 2013

Personally, I say: Good riddance to bad trash. Too bad a cop was injured trying to stop this skeeve.

That culture war thing seems to be messing with your head- you're seeing (or pretending to see)
things that aren't there...

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
8. I'll remember that whenever one of them waxes poetic about Randy Weaver.
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 08:01 AM
Mar 2013

Which happens on a regular basis.

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
38. I forgot that for some here, it's okay to do bad things to bad people.
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 06:09 AM
Mar 2013

Perhaps you could refresh my memory- where is the 'niceness' clause in the Constitution, again?:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernesto_Miranda

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miranda_v._Arizona

hack89

(39,171 posts)
15. What does this have to do with gun rights?
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 10:37 AM
Mar 2013

he was a felon forbidden by law to own guns. No gun owner at DU would argue that criminals should have legal access to guns.

He was scum - plain and simple.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
17. No - I think you just want to smear gun owners as right wingers
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 11:09 AM
Mar 2013

because we know that there is no such thing as an pro-gun Democrat.

Show me where anyone here supports criminals breaking the law to shoot people.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
19. I support all of the gun control laws passed in Colorado
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 11:26 AM
Mar 2013

I support universal background checks. I support limits on magazine size. I support all of the President's EOs on gun control.


Are those RW talking points?

Can you point out to me where posters at DU have supported white supremacist shooting people with illegal guns? I can't image anyone making such a serious charge without some actual evidence.

txgrandma

(1 post)
21. I have been around and owned guns many times...and am very liberal
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 12:33 PM
Mar 2013

always pull the DEM lever (so to speak)...The point of gun control laws is not that it is not already illegal for some to have them, but to make guns harder to get and thus maybe fewer pieces (and less deadly capacity--types of weapons, number of rounds in clips, etc.). IF we had passed gun control laws earlier, fewer/less kill capacity guns would be available now--hopefully, if we progress gun control, there will be fewer/less devestating in the future.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
27. Exactly. We have to impede proliferation of guns. Too bad our Democratic Gungeoneers can't get it,
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 01:04 PM
Mar 2013

or just don't care as long as they have access to more guns.

Captain Stern

(2,201 posts)
5. As usual, another White Supremacist...
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 01:59 AM
Mar 2013

turns out to not be very supreme at all.

The world is a better place without him.

dem in texas

(2,674 posts)
6. Killing of DA in Kaufman
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 02:33 AM
Mar 2013

The DA in Kaufman, Texas was gunned down broad daylight in the city parking lot a month or so back. So far no one has been arested and if there are any suspects, the public has not been told. As soon as I heard about the killing of the Colorado prison chief, I told my hubby that I would bet that this killing was tied to the DA murder in Kaufman and that it was Neo-Nazis. We'll have to wait and see.

 

lonestarnot

(77,097 posts)
10. They are keeping the lump alive to harvest organs. I'd hate to have one of those and know
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 08:25 AM
Mar 2013

what it came from, prollee thinking of shoot'em'in'the'face'dick. Maybe he needs another one. Be a perfect match.

Evasporque

(2,133 posts)
12. Was Clements pro prison privatization?
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 09:34 AM
Mar 2013

I saw that Colorado recently started questioning the savings in for profit prisons...

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
22. I remember back when Bikers were used as enforcers by the mob....
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 12:39 PM
Mar 2013

....it wouldn't surprise me to hear White Supremacists are being used as hit men for the Prison Industrial Complex.

They could offer the leaders perks for the job.

siligut

(12,272 posts)
25. He had a pizza box and uniform in his car
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 12:51 PM
Mar 2013

Suspected of using them to persuade Clements to open the door. Don't know of the other evidence but his car was a suspect and he acted guilty.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/03/22/white-supremacist-suspected-of-killing-colorado-official-brain-dead-after-texas-shootout/

Evan Spencer Ebel, 28, was spotted in Montague County, Texas driving a Cadillac matching a description of one spotted near the home of Colorado corrections chief Tom Clements on the night he was murdered. When Deputy James Boyd tried to pull him over, the Ebel allegedly opened fire, shooting Boyd three times.

mountain grammy

(26,619 posts)
33. The pizza delivery man was Nathan Leon, a young man with 3 kids.
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:03 PM
Mar 2013

This was his second job. So sad. Human life is cheap in the USA.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
35. Breaking - UPDATE: Tom Clements murder: Shell casings link Colorado, Texas shootings
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 05:27 PM
Mar 2013

Tom Clements murder: Shell casings link Colorado, Texas shootings

DECATUR, Texas — Detectives investigating a parolee who led them on a wild chase and shootout recovered Hornady 9mm shell casings — the same brand and caliber as those used by the gunman who killed Colorado prisons chief Tom Clements.

Texas Ranger Anthony Bradford described the casings in an application to search Evan Ebel's 1991 Cadillac DeVille.

-snip-

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22848185/tom-clements-murder-investigation-day-3-updates

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
41. This story says Ebel had spent large amount of time in solitary.
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 12:46 PM
Mar 2013

His family was unhappy about it, said it was having a bad impact on him.

intheflow

(28,462 posts)
42. Though one would have to wonder why he spent so much time in solitary.
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 02:55 PM
Mar 2013

His father is a lawyer, and rich, you'd think if he was in solitary unjustly (according to prison standards) they'd have figured out a legal recourse to have him put back in the general prison population. My guess is, he broke the rules and this was the punishment. I'm not defending solitary confinement, I'm just saying this guy probably wasn't the most model prisoner in the system given what he did upon release.

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