The NRA continues it's "civil rights struggle" to maintain the gun rights of violent criminals, road ragers, drunk drivers, wife beaters. pedophiles and gun conspiracy theory mongers. Is this a big surprise? The funny thing is that so many 2nd amendment lovers are helping extreme right wing organizations like the NRA destroy our constitution-including the 2nd amendment- in a bid to fullfill the ends of the antiAmerican right wing- the destruction of America and rebuilding it in a weakened, lawless 3rd world utopia for the ultra rich and powerful.

but for gun owners who care about the issue they happen to be the 800lb gorilla in the room.

that the bill was rushed, and that mental health experts weren't given an opportunity to speak to concerns about the impatct and the likely effectiveness of provisions directed at persons with mental illness.

So concern about the SAFE act is broader than the NRA

Those from the National Association For Mental Health should be allowed to be heard.

Members of legislatures naively believe that clinical staff can easily and accurately profile among their patients those who would be likely to commit mass murder. That's just a huge assumption not likely to be true. Many experts have openly remarked about society's over-confidence in clinicians abilities to accurately predict who, of the people they treat, will be dangerous.

The law hands over decision making about citizens' rights, to non-officers of the court, who work outside of standards of due process who can't guarantee uniform application of rules/standards because of the absence of professional rules or legal standands for the determination of an undefined levels of risk of dangerousness that would/should initiate reporting.

Everyone wants a society with less gun violence, no one wants to see mass killings in schools, shops or in workplaces. It all sounded like common sense, the trouble was common sense is just legislative guesses about what therapists and clinicians are able to do.

New York should sue them right back.

I made GOTV calls for my congressman, NY-20.

fuck you NRA, not responsible for anything

you can not be a big fan of the NRA and still realize that the whole NY SAFE act was a debacle- passed in the middle of the night, no hearings, conflicting legislative language, unfunded mandates.

one can either support or oppose actions the NRA takes, and one is perfectly allowed to decide that their record on some issues is so bad that they will oppose the group's actions in ALL instances.

that's completely reasonable and not a guilt by association.

if you oppose an action by a group solely based on the fact that the group supports it- that is a kind of "guilt by association".

if the KKK supports something that i agree with, am i treating them unfairly by not being willing to join with them in support?

A legal challenge could firm up an awful lot.

Why?

Because case law is so damn vague on the topic of guns.

Right now, case law is basically "sawed-off shotgun bans OK, handgun bans not OK." There is no knowing what kind of provisions a court will find as excessive or proper. Is a magazine ban too far? How about safe storage? Can you legally ban a rifle type (there's no SCOTUS case law on the original AWB, and a move on the cheapo handguns used in most crimes may be under fire without this sort of discussion already in the bag)? Do states have the right to mess with background checks, or should that be a federal issue?

These are questions which should be answers before we move forward.

And with any luck, Scalia will burst a blood vessel and not be part of a ruling . And if certain changes can get passed this court, then they'll stay that way in conservative courts and anything is possible with a more-liberal court in the future.

And, the cherry on top? We get to see Wayne be a bigger dipshit on national TV, galvanizing more Americans against these idiots.

The NRA like many "conservative" groups just love States Rights, until the state passes a law that will affect the bottom line of who they really represent!

and the guidance on how to comply with it is non-existent. Why do so many DUers have a problem with making laws clear and easy to follow when it comes to guns? Is it a culture war or is it about reducing violence? I'm not so sure at times

I believe that if a law was proposed that "all handguns will be confiscated by police through door to door searches and all gun owners that own handguns would be forced to go to "re-education camps"" you would find a significant amount of DUers would support it. When it comes to guns, intelligent, tolerant people become bigots and mindless drones.

Especially irrational fear because you can't come up with a reasonable solution with improper assumptions.