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UrbScotty

(23,980 posts)
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:11 PM Mar 2013

New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

Source: ThinkProgress

The New Hampshire House voted today to prohibit private prisons in the Granite State, countering progress the industry has made elsewhere around the country.

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The move is an abrupt shift in New Hampshire, where just last year the legislature had considered a bill to send its entire male prison population to private prisons.

Read more: http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/03/22/1756901/new-hampshire-private-prisons/?mobile=nc

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New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons (Original Post) UrbScotty Mar 2013 OP
If every state did this BainsBane Mar 2013 #1
If we decriminalized drugs and gave the private prison upaloopa Mar 2013 #2
Or we could skip that quakerboy Mar 2013 #17
or we could skip the damn social workers & just fund decent paying lower-level jobs. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #22
I would argue that theres a lot of social service work that could be done quakerboy Mar 2013 #24
'social workers' are degreed. cleaning trash off streets does little for people's self-image HiPointDem Mar 2013 #25
There are social work degrees quakerboy Mar 2013 #28
There is plenty of work that needs doing. I can look around & see it with HiPointDem Mar 2013 #29
Or being a NH native, outlaw Riftaxe Mar 2013 #26
good news olddots Mar 2013 #3
Thank God they don't run the state so much anymore n/t Mopar151 Mar 2013 #4
Unfortunately it is the only newspaper in New Hampshire Riftaxe Mar 2013 #27
Good for NH! Demeter Mar 2013 #5
Well that's a positive development. It wasn't like that when I lived there. talkingmime Mar 2013 #6
Good!!!! May many other states follow. dixiegrrrrl Mar 2013 #7
NH is on a roll! FiveGoodMen Mar 2013 #8
Great work NH! Third Doctor Mar 2013 #9
the house was retaken from the teabagnuts last november. Warren Stupidity Mar 2013 #10
HUZZAH!, gawdamnit! Dryvinwhileblind Mar 2013 #11
Yay for them! duhneece Mar 2013 #12
its a shameful democrat who supports and votes for private prisons nt msongs Mar 2013 #13
Prisons should never be 'for profit'! SCVDem Mar 2013 #14
A good first step 47of74 Mar 2013 #15
HUGE K & R !!! WillyT Mar 2013 #16
Great news! Big K&R! Auggie Mar 2013 #18
Private prisons are a cultural cancer. Kurovski Mar 2013 #19
Wow. Don't you love it when sanity breaks out? nt SunSeeker Mar 2013 #20
KnR Hekate Mar 2013 #21
Does NH send prisoners out of state to private prisons? cali Mar 2013 #23
this would be a good topic for one of those White House petitions: yurbud Mar 2013 #30
"...not that they would do what the petition says..." woo me with science Mar 2013 #32
as LBJ said when an aide balked at starting a rumor that an opponent was a pig f*cker yurbud Mar 2013 #35
Thank you, New Hampshire! woo me with science Mar 2013 #31
kick woo me with science Mar 2013 #33
Maybe Vermont is contagious. Demoiselle Mar 2013 #34
K&R woo me with science Mar 2013 #36

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
2. If we decriminalized drugs and gave the private prison
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:14 PM
Mar 2013

companies the personnel they could make money by rehabilitating drug users instead of wharehousing them.

quakerboy

(13,918 posts)
17. Or we could skip that
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 06:53 PM
Mar 2013

And just hire twice as many social workers and therapists and associated personnel.

We don't need to be devoting public funding to private industry. that simple. We can accomplish virtually anything we need to in this area without adding a margin to pay out a dividend or a CEO bonus.

quakerboy

(13,918 posts)
24. I would argue that theres a lot of social service work that could be done
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 05:16 AM
Mar 2013

as a decent paying lower level job.

There are a lot of social services we skip over. Helping people cook healthier meals. Growing community gardens. intramural sports in communities. Even cleaning trash off streets makes a difference in how people feel about themselves and their community, I think. Even just spending one on one or small group time with kids, elders, and even just regular people in a social setting. Often overlooked.

There are a lot of things that I think fall under social work that could be done to benefit everyone, not just to deal with "problems" after the fact. And create jobs in the mean time. There's just not enough work to go around to all the people. So we either need to pay immensely more and reduce the 40 hour work week, or create jobs that will benefit our society. Even if you bring back manufacturing, we would still have a problem, I think.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
25. 'social workers' are degreed. cleaning trash off streets does little for people's self-image
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 05:39 AM
Mar 2013

or link to the community if it's done for shit wages in an insecure job tenancy.

It's a middle-class fantasy.

there is *plenty* of work to go around to all the people.

social workers' jobs largely involve trying to manage the dysfunction created by insecure shitty jobs or lack of jobs, including the sense of powerlessness and search for respect and power that is created by such conditions of living.

and they mostly do a piss-poor job of it, which is not so much their fault, because they aren't given the tools which would actually enable them to do a better job -- like being able to put people on a real path to relatively secure conditions of life. They are there only to give work to a segment of the middle class and enable the state to say, "See, we care! Look at all the help we are giving you!"

quakerboy

(13,918 posts)
28. There are social work degrees
Sun Mar 24, 2013, 03:02 AM
Mar 2013

And there are people who do social work. Often these overlap. Many times they do not. We are talking about different things.

That said, I don't think you know much about either, except maybe a very limited segment of a small portion of one group. Most of the social workers Ive worked with, of either type, are trying to help people who have lost mental function do to age/trauma in war/mental illness. And most of them care a lot about the people they are entrusted to help. People who have been abandoned by everyone else in society.


That said, I don't think things like street cleaning should be done for shit wages. I think that physical jobs should be far more highly paid than they are. Jobs should be paid based on a combination of the physical and mental difficulty of the job, the long term harmful consequences of working the job balanced with its necessity, and the production/positive results of the job done. But that is a fantasy.

There is not "plenty of work". American workers are far more productive than ever before. In a world of self checkouts, machines that are capable of making hamburgers, and car plants that have more robots than people, many jobs that people do are only done by people because they are cheaper than a robot. If every American of working age worked 40 hours a week, we would have an unbelievable surplus of anything we made. We have more available man-hours of labor than we need to produce the things we need/want as individuals or as a nation.

We need to raise wages and lower the hours in a work week so that people have more free time while still making a living wage, or we need to create make work to keep people busy. Or we will continue to have tons of unemployment.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
29. There is plenty of work that needs doing. I can look around & see it with
Sun Mar 24, 2013, 03:11 AM
Mar 2013

my own eyes.

There's just 'no money' to pay for it.

Riftaxe

(2,693 posts)
26. Or being a NH native, outlaw
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 09:44 AM
Mar 2013

familial hiring for state employees, and increase the hiring of both positions you mentioned.

If you ever read the roll of state employee's in New England in New Hampshire and Massachusetts, it is a better genealogy resource then any web site purporting to track relatives.

Riftaxe

(2,693 posts)
27. Unfortunately it is the only newspaper in New Hampshire
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 09:48 AM
Mar 2013

The concord monitor is a rehash of 2 month old AP stories, and 2 week old union leader local stories, which is a shame, the monitor at least reported news in the '80's.


 

talkingmime

(2,173 posts)
6. Well that's a positive development. It wasn't like that when I lived there.
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:28 PM
Mar 2013

The major paper is the Manchester Union Leader and they treated Clinton like a space alien Nazi commie drug-addict public-farting child-rapist Jesus-hating flag desecrating fried chicken eating evil-doer who stomped on kittens while wearing 5" spike heel pumps while listening to rap music and screaming obscenities directed at our founding fathers and who likes okra raw.

Note: I like raw okra and grew it in NH. I also grew tomatilos and the bushes got HUGE! I had a few hundred fruits out of four plants.

duhneece

(4,112 posts)
12. Yay for them!
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 06:01 PM
Mar 2013

An active duty NH Corrections guy is a speaker for LEAP Law Enforcement Against Prohibition...maybe his voice got heard, too:
Richard Van Wickler – Corrections Superintendent of Cheshire County, NH

Richard Van Wickler has managed a jail as superintendent of the Cheshire County, NH Department of Corrections for the past 15 years of his 20-year criminal justice career. He also teaches at two New Hampshire colleges and served in the military for 26 years.

“If prison-building were our goal, it would be a good reason to leave our drug laws as they are. But as a taxpayer and a professional, it’s certainly not a goal of mine.” – Richard Van Wickler

http://www.leap.cc/for-the-media/leap-speakers-available-for-interview/

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
15. A good first step
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 06:37 PM
Mar 2013

A second better step would be to have the Constitution amended to state that private prisons are absolutely forbidden in the United States or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
23. Does NH send prisoners out of state to private prisons?
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 05:15 AM
Mar 2013

That happens in a lot of states unfortunately. It's good that the House rejected the move to privatize the entire prison system within the state- that's what was proposed last year. I'll be curious to see if this will pass in the NH Senate

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
30. this would be a good topic for one of those White House petitions:
Sun Mar 24, 2013, 01:14 PM
Mar 2013

not that they would do what the petition says, but forcing them to acknowledge that privatization leads to corruption and economic incentives to incarcerate MORE people could shift the debate a bit.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
32. "...not that they would do what the petition says..."
Sun Mar 24, 2013, 02:31 PM
Mar 2013

Isn't that enraging, that we all know this up front, that the Obama administration would not act, and that they are actively growing this despicable industry? Every single one of us should be demanding:

Why is the Obama administration increasing government support for private prisons?

Why did he deliberately select the owner of a private prison consulting firm as the new Director of the United States Marshals Service (USMS)?

And why are billions of dollars in federal contracts going to private prisons under the USMS Director Obama selected?




President Obama’s IncarcerNation
http://www.nationofchange.org/president-obama-s-incarcernation-1335274655


....In October 2011 President Obama tapped Broderick Johnson as a senior advisor for his re-election campaign. According to OpenSecrets, a clearinghouse for lobbying data, Johnson lobbied extensively on behalf of the GEO {Private Prison} Group since the mid-1990s. And Johnson’s so-called “advisorship” comes on the heels of President Obama’s 2010 nomination of Stacia Hylton as the new Director of the United States Marshals Service (USMS). Just months before her nomination Hylton started a private prison consulting firm— Hylton Kirk and Associates—while working at the Department of Justice (DOJ) as the Federal Detention Trustee. After retiring as a trustee, Hylton agreed to a consulting contract with The GEO Group worth $112,500.

As current Director of the U.S. Marshals Service, Hylton now leads an agency that has a well-established contractual relationship with The GEO Group. In 2011, the U.S. Marshal’s accounted for 11% of GEO’s revenue. With Hylton in a position to recommend government contracts with private prisons, the ongoing influence of private prison companies in the public sphere remains largely undisturbed.

Since President Obama’s first day in office the Corrections Corporation of America and The GEO Group have been awarded $1.7 and 1.8 billion dollars in federal contracts, respectively. And beginning in October 2011 the Corrections Corporation of America has taken its place as the government’s top contractor whereas the GEO Group comfortably maintains the third-place position. Finally, according to USAspending, over one-quarter of private prison contracts have been established under “non-compete” agreements.

The Obama Administration’s complicity with the private prison industry must not go unnoticed
today or this November. For more information on private prison divestment please visit the National Prison Divestment Campaign’s website at http://prisondivestment.wordpress.com.


yurbud

(39,405 posts)
35. as LBJ said when an aide balked at starting a rumor that an opponent was a pig f*cker
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 03:58 PM
Mar 2013

"I know, but let the bastard deny it."

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